Is an 8-Hour Workday Unrealistic?

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[@mleezy930]

Going to the office for 9 hours while taking 5 smoke breaks and holding meetings that should’ve been an email is no better

[@debjordan5981]

I get more work done at home then dealing with drama at the work place. So happy that working from home is the new norm! 🤗

[@theravenousrabbit3671]

Yup, if management thinks that they can just sit on their asses all day, shoot the shit in meetings and look busy, then the employees will pick up on that and also start looking busy.

[@don_cc123]

This, 100%. Endless hours of countless meetings that wasted my time and productivity!

[@LikeABoss1211]

Army

[@ScizzyGibbler]

Simple, do 8am to 4pm for half and 9am to 5pm for the other half. Worked great with our team!

[@sakispsinakis]

We have 7am to 3pm as well.

[@alexandersims1613]

100%...the lack of intelligence on both ends of this convo is outstanding.

[@chasen62]

Such a simple solution.. Shocking these guys don't get that

[@hugoranogueira]

​@@chasen62yeap, correct.

[@sewerrat7612]

Only issue with that would be extra cost for electric ect. Because of additional time office would have to be open. If someone would have beeb there anyway it works out fine.

[@delilah6390]

I’m a boss and I only care about them getting their work done. You can work from home. You can leave 2 hours early, work on the roof, in a safari, in London, on Mars. Just get the work done !

[@NL-tq1yr]

This is the way not the old farts way

[@BrianCassidy-hb9pg]

Yeah, this is how it works if you are not a dinosaur. Measuring outputs v inputs is much more important

[@bigmacmach1185]

As long as the work gets done and it's of a high quality, I totally agree, who cares where it's from. There are so many ways to track everything nowadays. It's not entitled to want to work at home, in many cases it makes life easier. Not every company can do this, but if the business type allows it, why not.

[@mrscmeier9570]

The problem is that customers need to be serviced until 5pm and if the staff is commuting home at 4pm, that isn't going to happen.

[@bigmacmach1185]

@mrscmeier9570 if you set proper expectations with the customers, they will learn. Just like when I worked at a bank and they changed and closed at 5 instead of 6. They adjusted.

[@StanleyMyers-oo8wb]

Here's an out-of-the-box idea, TALK TO THE EMPLOYEES! Why do they want to leave? Is it maybe a traffic issue, maybe it's a realization that they work better at 12 and not at 4. 99% of issues like this would be fixed if employers talked to their employees like humans. THATS the problem. Not millennials, not Gen Z; it's the younger generation seeing their parents be kicked and concerns ignored by bosses for their whole lives and saying, "Maybe there's a better way," and bosses feeling like they just don't want to work because they think they know whats right for people who they know nothing about.

[@dyates6380]

I'd say people who took the job with the hours that were explained to them ahead of time have to be the ones to adapt. I never worked at a place where people wanted to "leave early" and in fact MOST wanted overtime, as in every day. Years ago there was talk about moving the first shift and second shift hours "ahead one hour", as in making first shift 6 until 2 and second shift 2 until 10. It was discussed and after a certain amount of back and forth over a few weeks, it was put to a vote and it was decided to keep it the way it was. Employers DO talk to their employees, and oh by the way, this is from someone who was an employee and also one who voted for the earlier hours, the employee is the one who takes the instructions from the employer, not the other way around. That is the problem - at least in my mind. Too many people think they can dictate what company policy is or should be when they aren't in that position. Someone working the "line" in a manufacturing plant (like me) isn't in a position to tell the company or supervisors how things are to be done, unless obviously, there is some type of safety risk or other impending issue being a possibility. We took the job at those hours so we will work those hours. Not that hard. If someone doesn't like their job, for whatever reason, they should go elsewhere.

[@sstrongman1667]

@@dyates6380your employer talked to you. Every workplace is different, every business is different. More two way communication is not the issue.

[@dylanwolfe9432]

100% agree I work at a large company with both parents and they tell me to get out and find a better opportunity because the politics and just work in general. People won’t work for company’s for 50 years like they used to

[@RiverWoods111]

The real problem is this caller has a business that is forward-facing and he needs these employees to be there till 5 pm or closing time. From the sounds of it, he wouldn't mind if there were people left there at closing time. What would probably work better is to split and have some of the workers come in at say 7 am and leave at 2 or 2:30 depending on the length of their lunch time. Then have the other half come in at say 9 am and work till 6 pm. Let them bid on their productivity, not seniority. This way he will have longer hours for customers and no extra people, and his employees will be happy unless they are sucky employees who don't do their jobs correctly.

[@DioDiablo702]

I drive in traffic 12 hours a day. You can handle 30 minutes of traffic to work, and 30 minutes of traffic from work.

[@aaronmurphy8796]

I agree with this mostly , only difference is I don’t think the workers are necessarily unreasonable if they quit . That just means they want a different set of rules than that owner wants . That’s fine . Nothing wrong with that

[@cyoohoos]

Agreed. It’s called AT WILL employment for a reason. Either party can choose to leave the agreement at any time…AT WILL

[@dawnsamantha6728]

Why not ask them? Perhaps it can be a shifted schedule. Some come in an hour later, some leave an hour earlier-- but ask them. Work together

[@jasonszumlanski6514]

That's exactly what I was thinking. As long as it works for the business and the customer.

[@James-gs2dz]

Dave didn't answer the question being asked. Employees are asking if they can WORK THROUGH LUNCH; not taking a break, and leaving sooner in the day. The employees are looking at working for 8 hours regardless. Not 7. Otherwise you're AT work for 9 hours, only being paid for 8.

[@christophercarrigg3775]

He did, he said neither were wrong ethically or morally

[@b_bogg]

He also said that customer service lasts till 5pm

[@TMPS93]

You must not have watched the whole thing because he literally addressed this. His issue (which is valid) is that if everyone skips lunch and leaves an hour early there is no one to help the customers the last hour of the workday.

[@russellpollard6075]

Some states do not allow hourly workers to work through lunch. Salary shouldn't matter because your pay doesn't change, and there is some expectation to be available in some of your downtime. My company allows us to do it. It's kind of a "Don't stir the pot scenario."

[@RiverWoods111]

In most states it is illegal to work through breaks and companies can get big fines.

[@anniec3438]

Dave seems against work from home-wfh. I do the exact same job at my 2 days of wfh as I do my 3 days in office. The reality is i waste gas money, commute time, and office space when I have to work in office. Some peoples job is not creative. I work alone regardless and my boss is not asking for my feedback. WFH does make a lot of sense in some environments. Dave is being an old curmudgeon on this subject.

[@randallrobinson7853]

Dave is a great leader. Dave also wants to do what he wants to do because as he said, his name is on the building. I could learn aot from Dave. I also know I wouldn't work well with Dave. Dave ignored the question. The people are working 8 hours, just not taking lunch. Dave doesn't really care what the employees think in this scenario. That goes a long way... It doesn't mean that you do what the employees want. It means you take the time to connect and listen to their concerns

[@ldcm1013]

Me too. I enjoy the show and his advice but I know I wouldn’t be able to work with him.

[@jeremiahMndy]

Yeah Dave was ranting on this call he wasn't really paying attention to the caller

[@jubbbs]

Making people stay at work for an hour of unpaid lunch is ridiculous. I own a construction business, and we take no scheduled breaks. if you need a break, take one, if you need a bite, grab a snack. The goal is to get this task done and get home.

[@trentonfettig7265]

Skipping lunch and leaving early for any number of reasons shouldn't be a problem. If there are multiple employees that want to do this, split up some number of employees to work 8-4 and some number to work 9-5 to cover the customer service aspect.

[@RiverWoods111]

Skipping lunches in most states will earn the employer super big fines. It is illegal in most states.

[@lukeCART1]

No get back to work

[@rakeau]

The most simple, elegant and obvious solution. All this boss needs to do is let his staff coordinate a solution.

[@ravanpee1325]

​@@rakeauThat would be illegal in many states and countries, so sometimes the employer needs to shut down an idea which is good in theory but clashes with labour regulations or other external affairs

[@rakeau]

@@ravanpee1325 Sounds like the laws need to be fixed then. Such laws that proclaim to protect workers but actually work against their wishes is stupid. Also, lots of people do extra time anyway, and often unpaid, and the world and economies and businesses would be stuffed if they didn’t.

[@Shortstacksandticktacks]

In the call Dave reminds everyone that his name is on the building. He brings up the parent-child relationship, and says, "the inmates don't run thr asylum." Then he takes a big dump on Gen Z and Millennial. All because they want to work 8 hours straight through instead of getting an hour break. What an absolute control freak Boomer. The caller claims to be worried about having customer service available during the full day, but who is answering during the lunch break never gets answered.

[@CaseyTimko]

This is not 40 hours a way. The additional 1 hour for lunch every day is still on company time, regardless of getting paid. Which is a 45hour work week. Have the employees switch off, who gets to go home early. Let one come in at 9am instead of 8am. Working in an office does not need to be strict.

[@metalgearfan9802]

I understand that obviously "entitled employees" are frustrating for a rich business owner, but........ this country needs people with an entitled attitude towards employment BAD. This country has gone through waaaay too many generations of people just accepting extremely poor work conditions and worker rights.

[@starry2205]

SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK

[@katelynozdemir7536]

This

[@battra92]

So many people in these comments would've made good serfs. I blame the education system.

[@TR0LLREIGN]

It’s ridiculous that you guys don’t even have sick leave. You get what you tolerate.

[@kgetz3]

Dave’s a dinosaur. How about this: a 4-day work week! That is what is needed for work life balance for young families.

[@RobertDeffley-l4r]

Customer service you have to be five days a week. Those employees should be lucky it’s a Monday - Friday and not weekends too.

[@kgetz3]

@@RobertDeffley-l4r Stagger the schedules. Many nurses work 14 hr days, 3 days a week yet there’s always coverage. Five 8’s is not gospel.

[@animebodypillow2959]

@@RobertDeffley-l4r I work 6 days a week at 10.5 hours a day I would love to work 4, 12 hour days instead even if it were more time

[@jimroscovius]

My wife's office allows the employees to work from home 1 or 2 days a week, but Tuesdays are office days for everyone. My wife chose Fridays. My daughter chose Mondays and Fridays. My wife works about 60 hours/week, including on Fridays. No, she doesn't work in her pjs. She gets up just as early and she's at her desk before 7:00 whether it's at the office or at home. She works through lunch, quits about 5:00, but gets on calls with her team members in China at night. Sorry, Dave, but my wife works just as hard, if not harder, from home than at the office. Plus, there are fewer distractions at home. I get the evil eye even if I try to say something 🙂

[@leechburglights]

Your wife is the exception... not the norm.

[@jimroscovius]

@@leechburglights Let people who have a great work ethic work from home one day a week. Make it something to work towards.

[@idasiek]

​@leechburglights It's not true. My job is really busy, I work mostly from home and I barely have time to stand up from my desk, sometimes to take lunch and I have to stay longer sometimes. It all depends on the job. We're getting an extra person because we're not coping with the workload, and I can tell you I'm more distracted in the office with people around me any time I'm there. I like it for the social aspect, but I get more done at home.

[@leechburglights]

@idasiek the majority of people produce better from a work center environment where they are not distracted from personal business going on around them. I'm not sure why it is controversial to say that someone who CAN work from home is the Exception to the rules. If they work from home without distraction then more power to you. But that doesn't chang how people work better on sight.

[@username00009]

@@leechburglightswhere are you sourcing your data, or are you going off of personal observations? Dave is off-base in this video, but he is also speaking from the experience of a small business owner whose employees can all work on one location. Working with colleagues across the country and in other countries is completely different.

[@danielhimes9068]

The people who quit aren't unreasonable, they just wanted something that you didn't offer, so they went somewhere it was an option.

[@2kool4ukewlguy77]

In other words, Dave advises is to treats your employees like kids?

[@calebsmith4477]

Not just kids, prisoners even.

[@FrankSchmidberger]

Waaaa. He pays the employees...

[@calebsmith4477]

@@FrankSchmidberger Yeah, so does everybody else. Big deal. That doesn't mean you should compare employees to children or prisoners and expect any sort of respect. I get paid to do a job, not do whatever the owner wants, and I think you know that.

[@ronrollo5023]

the owner determines if u do the job@@calebsmith4477

[@JeremysJourneys1]

​@@calebsmith4477 your job is specifically related to what the owner wants from you. With no owner, no job

[@ryanofottawa]

The analogy to parenthood is problematic. Working relationships should be contracts between two equal parties. Fully legitimate for either party to decide they're not getting what they require from the contract and look to change the terms so long as they acknowledge the other party might not agree and that will be the end of the relationship. That's not the same as parents and kids. In this case there's a problem being created by leaving early and if it can't be mediated through other means than the practice has to stop. But other possibilities like a rotating schedule of who stays late what nights to make sure there's adequate coverage for customers could also work.

[@janelleg597]

They are not equal parties if one foots the bill for the work

[@ryanofottawa]

@@janelleg597 one person foots the labour, the other the bill. That's the basis of the equality.

[@OleWiseOne]

​@@ryanofottawaThe laborer does not have the same responsibility or liability as the owner

[@ryanofottawa]

@@OleWiseOne Which is why the owner is awarded for their risk with the potential for profit. This doesn't change the equal vs paternalistic relationship between owner and labour.

[@timgibney5590]

@@janelleg597 Consider the employee/employer relationship like buying goods from a grocery store. Yes, I am old fashioned ... however if you need great talent for skilled labor you have to have different caliber for pay and working conditions or else they will go elsewhere. You can't get .99 cent store prices at a Whole Foods. They will refuse your money. Same is true for talent. In a recession SURE you can get a yes ma am employees. But in a boom like 2022 they will FLEE for remote jobs. At an Amazon warehouse sure you can treat employees as such as it doesn't take talent to move boxes

[@roberteltze4850]

We're taking about IT workers they tend to be night owls. See if some are willing to come in an hour later so they can stay until 5. The issue some have when the boss sets a schedule of 8-5 with an hour lunch is that effectively occupies 9 hours of your day but you only get paid for 8.

[@RiverWoods111]

Yeah, I would get rid of the hour lunch to begin with. In some states you can get huge fines for not forcing your employees to take their lunch, it doesn't have to be an hour long, but they have to take it plus 2 breaks 15 minutes long.

[@jameseroh6544]

Work is different at different places. Dave has a point that people are not discussing. He has a business routine, and expects employees to follow it. I work a 12hr schedule with no scheduled breaks. But some days are relaxed, some are not. Other people in my job classification work 8hr shifts with scheduled breaks. I do get a 10% bonus for my schedule. And also get more days off.

[@timgibney5590]

Not everyone is a night owl. I work IT and my boss LOVES getting up at 4am and hanging out int he office. I do not. IT is always on the clock and works late hours doing implementations when people are not in the office. So as a result we get to work at home and have semi flexible hours. If this guy wants people to answer customer calls have them work at home so they are not stuck in traffic. SIMPLE

[@BusArch42]

And worse you get bugged during your lunch break. I take a 30 minutes because someone is going to be bothering me with work issues as long as I’m in ten building. One of my friends used to sit in her car so people couldn’t find her during lunch. Then someone saw her and they started knocking on the windows.

[@karnez05]

They love saying Genz and millennials don’t like to work. It’s pretty sad we have seen these old geezers screw over people for years. Dave and this caller is a prime example of why people hate jobs

[@Chet_24]

Watch, he'll call back in 3 months and say he can't find anyone to hire. 😅

[@thethinktank-y9p]

You summed it up when you said it's my name on the side of the building. Being retired now, I can say that anytime I wasn't working for myself was a waste. If you're working for someone else you're selling your time for money. If you're working for yourself it's a different story. Consequently employers and employees do not and should not have the same expectations of what work is. It isn't that people don't have a work ethic, it's that they don't have an investment in the success of the company. A smart employer will give them an incentive a dumb one will just make rules and complain which creates a revolving door of new employees.

[@timgibney5590]

Employment is always a 2 way street. Sure you own the company but unless it is a low valued job you need great employees if you want employees you do not want to micro manage you need to offer remote work. There is a recession now but when it ends we will have people fleeing in the office work

[@pointlessvideos2321]

Just cuz u don’t work for yourself doesn’t mean that it’s a waste of time… not everyone wants to own their own business and that’s fine

[@googleuser2426]

When I needed a different schedule i found a different job. When I got hired it was in the description of details : hours, rate of pay etc....How would you feel if your employer decided not to oay you the rate you agreed on??? You might be a little upset

[@chrisporter3687]

Who's taking care of the customer during "lunch hour?" Dave seems to have a lingering issue with employees that quit his company to work from home.

[@nicholasselke5214]

Either the business is closed for lunch or the timing of the lunch breaks are staggered

[@tonydarcy7475]

@@nicholasselke5214 If lunch breaks can be staggered, then why can't start and finish times be staggered? I agree that not everyone can leave early, but if some people leave early, others start late and the rest take a lunch break, then how is that an issue? This would also make it sound like the employer is trying their best to find a solution that works for everyone, which is great for employee moral and should make people less likely to quit over the issue. Employers with a "it's my way or the highway" attitude tend to be the ones that complain about high staff turnover and/or talent shortages. It is their right to make the rules (as long as it is legal), but they shouldn't be surprised when employees find a more flexible employer, especially if the pay is similar and/or better.

[@fourhillsfarm]

Firstly, change lunch to a half hour. 60 min. is a waste of time. Secondly, consider staggering starting times in order to cover more hours of the day forcustomer service.

[@ShadowoftheRisingSun]

If working from home, sure...but in most cities, you're just getting your lunch 30 minutes after leaving work. Bringing lunch to work can be good, but it feels like a rush, honestly.

[@maybelater234]

Or just pay people for the breaks you expect them to waste farting around at work, since they have to pay an extra hour of childcare at the end of the day to accommodate you. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@dav2386thor]

I mean I do commercial hvac, skip lunch everyday. And on the days I don't work only work 8 hours, I work till end of the business day and get an hour or so overtime daily. People wanna work through lunch then just pay them overtime to stay till the end of the day.

[@ravanpee1325]

That is illegal in a lot of places

[@anndeecosita3586]

Half an hour only works if you bring your lunch or maybe have it delivered. Otherwise if you have to go somewhere for lunch, it’s time consuming with the drive there and back. Actually a lot of people including myself often work through lunch and eat at our desks.

[@fathead3381]

I’d like to read what “data points” Dave is reading that say employees are more productive in the office. Because I’ve read multiple that say employees are more productive working remotely and with more schedule flexibility. I did however read a report that employers are scared their employees will be less productive remotely. That probably better fits what he’s dealing with.

[@suebecker9972]

Productivity in WFH depends a lot on the nature of the job. Some workplaces the staff work very collaboratively and WFH is a mess. Other workplaces WFH is better. It just depends. What's best for company A isn't necessarily best for company B

[@USMC6976]

I think it depends on how you define "productivity". Some employers say, being on time and not leaving early. Others define it as getting the job done. The question comes down to, what are you paying for - input or output?

[@arh1234]

Data shows more productive, less creative in WFH. So works well for short periods, but is very dangerous for companoes that want to survive long-term

[@USMC6976]

@@arh1234 Not really. The problem is, the company focus changes. They begin to focus on output and not the input. People begin to meet expectations and stop working, that is, they accomplish in 4 hours what they are being paid for 8 hours. Thus the largest beneficiary of this gain is the individual, not the company. If you're sitting at the company and they see you finished your work, they give you more. Thus the company thinks productivity increases, what it ignores is the amount of time the employee will delay completion to make up for this. Individuals have a fair sense of what "a days wage for a days work" is, and companies are always trying to change it.

[@timgibney5590]

@@arh1234 Prove it? the only one I saw was from Microsoft and they used time sitting in meetings as productivity. Less meetings means less productive. SMH. What I saw is more engagement and longer hours when people work at home

[@monkeymama5052]

It's not that they're entitled. Covid showed almost every employee how work life could be by working at home. How much more time could be spent doing things we want to do when we aren't stuck in traffic for an hour or more despite only living 30 minutes away from work. It showed us how much money can be saved with not having to go into the office. People are pissed because their bosses can see how much of a positive impact it can have on their employees lives and yet still choose to make them come back into the office. It's almost like employers don't want their employees who can work from home to have a sliver of a better life. I work hybrid which means i still have to go out and see patients, but i can start my say from home doing morning meetings and end my day at home charting and writing my report. I wouldnt change a thing because i dont spend more money on gas, a babysitter, i can schedule appointments at an earlier time, have more time to cook dinner and get things done. There's no entitlement. Its just our eyes are wide open to how work can be done and what is possible and older bosses are staying behind in the times.

[@user-ee1fn4vt8b]

"my signature on the freakin' paycheck" The classic "I pay you, so I own you" mindset.

[@idkmanidcman3158]

"I hired you with these expectations in mind, and you are not meeting them, so if you would like to continue be employed by me you have to do the job, I hired you to do."

[@thodan467]

@@idkmanidcman3158 look at my contract

[@drewbdu9189]

It's kind of wild how you twisted this into that when it's not that at all.

[@Justin-e4c]

I feel entitled to say I quit. I'm 44. I've had enough of other people's dreams

[@caboose2016]

​@@Justin-e4cbye felicia

[@CanadaHasFallen]

This guy claims to run a successful cyber security business and has to ask such ridiculous simple questions like this? How on earth is he competent enough to even do cyber security well if you cant even get the employees to do the VERY basic....?

[@situated4]

He's not successful at all. Only generating a measly $3M in revenue after decades of running it!? Fail.

[@StitchPup]

Dude, you have tons of employees. Give them all flex hours but make sure more shifts are covered. You can even do 3-12's and one 4 for some employees. You'll have more coverage and happier employees. Just explain to them that all shifts need coverage.

[@bobbyjones5377]

As an employee I’d prefer longer hours fewer days. Give me 2 12s and a 14 and I’ve got my week.

[@StitchPup]

@@bobbyjones5377 Exactly! And that's much better for customer service.

[@RiverWoods111]

Make productivity and performance their bidding power for shifts. That way the best employees get the first choice of shifts and the shit employees who don't work hard get what they get.

[@Gumby6583]

@@StitchPup yeah but then absolute control would not obtained. Most CEO’s can’t do that.

[@fleabag2mr.151]

California will sue you if you don't give a meal break whether they want it or not. The company I worked for was fined 60 million for this violation. Word to the wise, never start a business in California!

[@vickieclark5931]

That's one of the reasons CA sucks. Nothing worse than being at work an extra hour without getting paid for it. Personally, I think it should be up to the employees. Some want a break and some don't.

[@eobardthawne324]

​@vickieclark5931 If you're working until a certain time regardless of the lunch break then California is helping you.

[@rachelharrison7961]

Try thinking out of the box. Maybe the employer can match that one employee with another who wants to come in an hour later and work through lunch. Or ask the one who wants to work through lunch if he/she can trade off days where they come in early with days they come in late. It feels like there are a bunch of potential solutions, but the caller was focused entirely on the keeping things exactly the same.

[@dan44zzt231]

Just Dave trying to do his usual 'I set the rules' speech. Try throwing your weight around with skilled IT and Cybersecurity staff and most of them could have a new job within the hour. Like you said, just tell them that at least 1 person has to be in between 4 and 5 and to work it out. Easy.

[@RiverWoods111]

Working through lunches and not taking them is illegal and in most states can earn you some huge fines for each person you are allowed to not take that lunch. It can be shortened to a 1/2 hour and he could stagger starting times.

[@tomcarrow]

Some states require breaks by law, so working 8 straight hours then leaving early without a lunch break would be grounds for employment lawsuits.

[@Bidenlost2020]

Nanny states.

[@fleabag2mr.151]

California will sue you into bankruptcy. Elections have consequences, and Democrats are job and business killers 😮

[@FTG2Eli]

Make sure you have it in writing. Each state has a break law. Any disgruntled employee that leaves for whatever reason, them not getting the required break can come back and bite you.

[@RiverWoods111]

Exactly! That was what I was thinking! Huge fines!!!!

[@ravanpee1325]

Even when the employeé thinks it's okay, the break is probably mandatory not matter what

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How do I get connection to this woman you speak about!!?

[@stormtruppo]

I cannot tell you how many people can get their work done in the day in 4-6 hours and really just stretch out that 8 hour window. I think it should be based on your workload. I've had days where I needed 10 hours and either worked late or that worked resumed into the next morning. I've had other days where I'm done in 3 hours and trying to keep "looking busy" for the other 5. If you insist on 40 hours a week, I'd rather do 4 days at 10 hours because sometimes, 2 days off just isn't enough to either get things done at home or for my mental energy.

[@scott4825]

1 hour lunch break is excessive. It's effectively a 9 hour day. Most people will eat in 20 minutes, and then work 40 for free or have to waste their time. My guess is that he doesn't have a problem finding people during that one hour lunch break to assist customers, and having them work during break. Also, a lot of software people probably put in extra time at home in the evening. So I think the solution is to provide structured flexibility. Set some boundaries to allow them some flexibility while still making sure the work gets done and customer needs are met. At my job, once the work is done I need to decompress and the last half hour before I clock out is largely wasted; however, I'm good at going home and then putting in a couple hours in the late evening. Also, if I leave 30 minutes early, I am able to avoid 20 minutes of traffic. Frankly, I'd rather work 9-10 hours than be forced to take a 1 hour lunch break. As for lazy millennials, back when I was a kid in 1980 they had a movie about people mistreated during their normal working hours. The movie was called 9 to 5. 9 to 5 is an "8 hour day". Boomers forget that their generation had a saying "sex, drugs and rock and roll", and their parents generation had a saying "never hire anyone under 30". There have been lots of very lazy people as well as hardworking people in every generation. And while many people worked harder at their hourly job 50 years ago, they did so in part because those jobs had benefits and were more of a career with upward mobility. 40-50 years ago if someone worked at a department store they had insurance, some retirement, and in time decent pay. On that note, I've never seen a lazy person at Chik Fil A because they pay for better employees.

[@ravanpee1325]

It's no matter when you need to comply to labour laws and risk a big fine

[@vickieclark5931]

@@ravanpee1325 That's why the government needs to stay out of everyone's business. They do more harm to the little people than they do the corporations when they try to control everything.

[@nateduncan7089]

The days of being chained to your desk for many people have gone the way of the dodo. I can do much of my work remotely, but I do need to be physically in the office to get some things done. I come in stay as long as I need to, to get the job done and then I take it remote. I can answer phone calls, and emails from home. I can take video calls from my home office. Then there are some days when I need to be at the office all day because that's what my work load dictates. Now not every job is like that, but the whole you need to be in the office, because this is where you work idea is kind of antiquated if you can take work wherever you go. The point of work is to complete your tasks and in my case make sure our clients are well served and if that is being done who cares where it is being done at.

[@JosiePC44]

Why can't customer service be done from home?

[@Gumby6583]

It can. Boomers loose there minds over this tho

[@brianbird3756]

Because I tripped over your lawn gnome.

[@RiverWoods111]

He has customers coming into the business. Not all customer service is call center work.

[@joem1950]

Because ppl that work from home are less effective workers, I don't care what ppl say. All of my friends who work from home admit they do nothing compared to being at work while on the clock.

[@Gumby6583]

@@joem1950 people who are productive at the office are also productive at home. And vise versa.

[@therandysmith697]

You can run your business, however you want. But, if you don’t embrace a hybrid work style. If you don’t think working from home can be efficient, you’re missing the train.

[@hathatshop]

I work more and ‘better’ at home…honestly. Less interruptions, less noise ( I’m in finance)…I focus better, I multi-task better…I guess I’m an anomaly because I take great pride in my work. I’ve worked at 9 pm, 11pm at night because we are world wide. Where I work is less important than my own internal drive

[@Cactusbrigade]

Every business owner I know that has had long-term employees and a happy workplace has been willing to work with their employees as people rather than just say “I sign your checks so do I want you to.” If it doesn’t work for the business, then yeah obviously something has to give. But why don’t you try asking your employees why they want to do it and have an open convo with them? Find the minimum number of people you need to cover the last hour and have them rotate who says later each day. Or have a group come in an hour later. There’s room for compromise. Just because you’re the boss doesn’t mean you should throw your weight around and put your foot down when there could be a solution that helps both parties.

[@Gumby6583]

But they aren’t leaving “early” they are still working the same amount of hours….

[@caboose2016]

Office hours are 8-5. With a 1 hour lunch in the middle. How can you serve customers from 4-5 if all employees went home? I get it's the same amount of hours if working through lunch, but owner should have laid out a mandatory 1 hour break if they are to keep helping customers after 4

[@Gumby6583]

@@caboose2016 who helps the customers from 12-1?

[@caboose2016]

@Gumby6583 no-one. Closed for lunch. Difficulty in changing office hours from 8-4 is most places are still open till 5 (at least places that need tech support) I'd have half workforce start at 8 and other start at 9.

[@Gumby6583]

@@caboose2016 most places don’t close for lunch. lol

[@caboose2016]

@Gumby6583 alot of places do actually...ever wonder why your place in the call que is a long wait? Or they call you back?

[@Grigsy]

In person collaboration does not work and is a myth. You get the same results from hybrid and remote work. The only reason why in person work is still supported is to subsidize the real estate market.

[@scott4825]

I think it depends on the type of work, but with most jobs, it isn't needed.

[@Trignama1]

Everything varies. Ever since WFH became the norm and I've been allowed to work from my home office instead of having to commute to a public office full of people and distractions, my career has skyrocketed. I don't have to worry about random pop up meetings pulling me away from my desk and work, or some co-worker who is bored stopping by my desk expecting me to be social. Let's not act like people in an office are all busy body for 8 hours a day. Ya'll want to be in an office to socialize, period.

[@GeoFry3]

There are plenty of reasons to leave early. A particular one is being stuck in traffic, which they are not getting paid for. Pay them more specifically for that increased travel time, and I bet they'll stop asking to leave early. The typical day. Leave early get home in 25min Leave "on time" and the commute time becomes 1h 15min. So yes, you are being short-sighted and as a result you are going to lose your more intelligent employees.

[@kvernesdotten]

I feel like this conversation is extremely charged and that both parties are talking while thinking of something else, because whats being said here is not really conducive with the title of the video nor the question in the banner across the screen. If the question is whether or not some employees can ask to move their lunch, I dont understand why we are discussing things like work from home and the length of the work day. In my mind this should be a simple question of scheduling, but it really sounds like the topic is very... charged? If this is a question employees ask, then wouldnt it be logical to first look at whether or not their position allows for that, obviously the entire customer service department cannot leave at the same exact time during business hours, but that doesnt mean some cant on occasion when something comes up. Then move to clarify if the employees mean for this to be a one-off or upon-request thing or something they are free to do on their own accord. I think its more important that the arrangement has a clear framework around it rather than what decision is made. And theres plenty of solutions to the "problem" too, many places have offset shifts that rotate such that one group works 7-3, another works 9-5 that allows both the employer to ensure coverage and employees some degree of freedom like this. I do think its correct to entertain the idea and see if its doable, if this is something that means alot to the employees though. The data is pretty clear on the productivity of employees who feel taken care of and heard too, and even if you end up deciding against it for whatever reason, I dont think shooting it down without talking about it is the correct call. People respond alot better to not having their suggestion or idea picked if they actually know it was considered and not just shot down. Props to the caller for actually going out of his way to ask for help when unsure though, that in itself shows someone who cares imo.

[@metalgearfan9802]

I would hope that it wouldn't be a mystery why people don't particularly want to turn a 40 hour work week into a glorified 45 hour work weed. I'd eat through lunch too to get out early. Factor in people with commutes and you're essentially just living your job.

[@fastingman4726]

I can tell Dave is definitely a “my way or the highway” kind of guy. And ppl wonder why millennials and gen z don’t want to work for him. LOL I’d rather collect government gibs and work odd jobs before I allow someone to boss me around for piss poor wages; that’s sufferable kind of serfdom.

[@Blitz1276]

Terrible, antiquated perspectives. Work will still get done and the full hours were worked. Maybe math just isn't his strong-suit. Wish more people with this mindset were open-minded and accepted that data points show averages, and those who are incredibly effective but leave "early" or prefer to work from home will inevitably depart. And that leaves you with the more unproductive workers over time, hampering your ability to grow/thrive. Such an absolute shame to treat your employees this way if they have PROVEN to be helping the business by successfully performing their roles.

[@sewerrat7612]

But thier not call was about them skipping last hour of required work.

[@bigspartanman]

Sounds like he doesn’t trust his employees if he doesn’t let them wfh

[@stevenduncan1042]

It’s going to get harder and harder for y’all to hire with no work remote flexibility. We’re not entitled, the same paying jobs in the market allow for this flexibility. You are losing your “thoroughbreds” as you call it

[@jdkoz98]

How about you leave when the works done

[@murraybeachtel8585]

Need to see the data on working from home as there are many peer reviewed studies that show employees are more productive from home. Less interruptions, no commute, less time off, and less non essential meetings.

[@RiverWoods111]

Ramsey is just salty because he built this huge building to house all his employees and now no one wants to work in offices. You are right, working from home is actually more productive. It should though be a position that is earned and not just handed out. You have to be the best at your job if you want to go home to work.

[@sewerrat7612]

Depends on. The individual personality and work ethic. Some people just need a more formal structure to be productive. Sounds great in theory we tried it where I work ended up getting rid of most of the administrative side when they wouldn't come back to an office.

[@leechburglights]

The data is pretty clear. Productivity falls when the majority of the work crew is not located or working centrally. Remember, they are the employers and they set the rules to running the business. Sure there are a select few team members who can work effectively from home. But in general there are far more distractions at home.

[@jphillips247]

​@@leechburglightsthis is bullshit I don't have to deal with the endless chatter of other folks, the being friendly to folks I barely know, or any of the office politics. I ended up working far later in day as I don't look at clock as much and decided it is time to pack up, and when stuff breaks at 2am in morning my workstation is right there for me too get busy

[@Mikethemerciless11]

Let me give you a perspective from France. I am a former American, who emigrated to France after my time in the French Foreign Legion, and now I work as a contractor pilot. I'm married to a woman who runs a cafe in Lyon, and she only works like five hours a day, mainly on weekends after Mass, and the place is only open from about 10AM to 6PM, and most of her employees only work five to six hour days. Most people here work about the same amount of time, between a thirty to thirty-five hour week. I'm rather an outlier, in that my job requires I might have to work longer hours. An eight-hour working day, in the States especially, is a huge chunk of your waking day working. In the States, if you require people to commute to a place of work, that means they will likely need a car, because mass transit in the States is rather bad compared to Europe. That means a commute in traffic, which may be long, so that adds onto the eight hour day. That's time and energy out of your day that you could be using to handle things in your personal life as you need to. Which leads to more stress, because your life is not in real good order, even if you make good money to afford some affluence. And, Lord forbid, you work as a manager or as an executive, where you actually now have to devote some of your mental energy and devotion to the company you work for, a company that will never give them the same devotion (including, obviously, yours Dave, or shall I bring up an unpleasant topic?), because that's even more stressful. On top of that, you get fewer days off, and, if you're lucky, get your two weeks of vacation, if that. By contrast, here in France, we work to live, not live to work. No employer, here, expects you to sacrifice anything for the company. We get all kinds of time off. We get five weeks of Holiday, and Paid Sick Leave, Maternity Leave, Bereavement Leave, and so on, and we get plenty of work done besides. Most of us don't need a car to get to work, and if we do, it's probably because someone took a job in a different city, maybe even a different country, and so it's just easier and more convenient to drive. My wife and I get on the bus to go to work, and I watch her get off in downtown Lyon, and I go out to the airport. When I get back, she's already been home before the kids come home from school, she's got them doing chores and their homework, and I come in around 4 or 5PM and I have plenty of time to hang out with everyone, help make some dinner (served after 8PM - that's a French thing), and chill out with a walk in the neighborhood, talking with folks, drinking wine. We get so much done in the mornings and afternoons that we have order in our lives, something that I think most Americans don't have the time for. What's more, we make enough that we don't feel as though we have to work any harder to make ends meet. I'm not a socialist, but I think France has the best health care system in the world, because while you may compare the overall quality versus American health care, at the same time, the French never have to worry about losing their health care if they lose their job, or even losing their jobs if they get injured or sick. Housing is generally more affordable here, but it is getting more and more unaffordable as Macron allows more invaders into the country to subvert the ethnic French vote. Our bills are low, inflation is not nearly as bad as it is in the States, and our money goes further. Education is affordable here. Also, if you're going to be fired, or laid off, your employer has to give you two months notice. Oh, and we don't have nearly the politically correct bullshit that American employers have to impose on employees. We have datapoints that indicate that employees do their best work when they only work about four to five hours, and that's because they have the most energy to do so, and if you can alleviate things that might stress them out, like giving them more time off to live, they will work even harder for you because, Dave, and lean in closer for this one: THEY'RE HAPPY! Happiness. You ought to try to sow that in your company. Whatever your datapoints may say doesn't necessarily mean A) they're accurate, or B) you're interpreting them correctly. And here's another thing Americans ought to learn: The customer isn't always right. Customers, if they need something from you, will wait for a good time that works with you to help them.

[@Eirikr430428]

Sounds like a great system! Americans must always keep size/scale and demographics in mind when discussing transportation woes. We ought to have the greatest system in the world, but for problems that could be managed!

[@BobbyJrAi]

Reward the employees who stay.

[@BrDavid1]

It would depend on the situation of the employee. Wanting to work from home is not always about comfort or “laziness.” The Millennials and down may have children, and they can’t afford the cost of child care these days. Not everyone can do it the traditional way of dad going to work and mom staying home. Sometimes both have to work, and the money still can’t seem to come in fast enough to care for important provisions.

[@Nick-bd2yv]

If every person takes the same hour break, isnt that the same gap in customer service? Why not have a staggered schedule

[@billlammon1144]

More old outdated bad advice from Dave. This guy is such a fraud. So theres no customer service from 12 noon to 1pm then?

[@MatthewSextonUSMC]

Do what I say or you're fired but If you leave to a place that treats you better it's unreasonable. Lmao ok dude

[@alexandersims1613]

As someone who has done this for 7 years, it's not an issue. Giving people 5 less hours a week of free time, plus asking them to work OT for free (salary), wage increases that don't keep up with inflation, etc. will motivate good talent to go elsewhere.

[@nicholasbaker2904]

facts. Good luck keeping staff in the long run with this mentality.

[@Chet_24]

For real. Its sad that you have to switch jobs every 2 or 3 years to actually get a raise.

[@lotsaspaghetticodejr.6488]

Morally and ethically do not apply here. LEGALLY they are REQUIRED to have a lunch break. They can CHOOSE to work, but that lunch BY LAW is unpaid time. >Hurr durr I get paid lunches what's the problems Your company CHOOSES to pay for your lunches. LEGALLY they are not required to do so. So if your employees are working during their lunch, they are working FOR FREE, which is ILLEGAL

[@fourhillsfarm]

Actually, they are not working, they are driving home.

[@mitchelcooper8941]

If this guy let's people go for working their 40 hours without taking a lunch break, he'll lose the whole office!

[@ravanpee1325]

Also gets a big fine for violating labour laws

[@timgibney5590]

Good a competitor who offers remote work will happily hire his staff

[@ngb802]

Dave admitted he works only 3-4 hours a day I’m sure he’s not in the building 8 hours either

[@austinblair7901]

Don’t ask Dave Ramsey about work life balance, work from home, or flexible hours…

[@J__HUTTON]

Having your break at the end if the day means that last hours is unpaid lunch break

[@rigatonijacobs]

Dave is so grossly entitled Ive realized he projects constantly and is wildly insecure.

[@MatthewR-MN]

Does Dave ever listen to himself? He sounds as entitled as the Millennials and Gen Z employees he chastises. Your name may be on the side of the building, but luck played a bigger role in that than you are giving credit for. You may sign the check, but that doesn't mean you always know what is best. You don't own the business, you steward the business and God put you in that position to serve your employees and community just as much as he put you there to serve your customers. There are more than two ways to handle this situation and he goes right to, "it's my way or the highway" without any critical thought.

[@joshuatate5671]

😂

[@bray7431]

It is his business? He’s free to handle it the way he see’s fit as long as god gives him the power to! He doesn’t have to let any work from home it’s not some immoral sin

[@pmeehan_3]

My company has data points showing that we have been just as productive, if not more, working from home since the pandemic started.

[@privateinfo1711]

If people are getting work done and you have employees working the hours you need, some flexibility should be given to the employees. Different employees may need flexibility: health issues, elderly parents, young children, graduate school, etc.

[@alejmc]

8:05 woah! As much as I like Ramsey’s advice those hints of power enjoyment are disheartening to the cause: he refers to his employees as toddlers (“you have to remind them who is mommy and daddy”), as prisoners (“the inmates don’t run the prison”), “I pay you and you work” (and then cackles). For what is worth, he is many generations ago… not like the new generations are doing any better, but when this era finally finishes I believe new and better ways will be able to flourish. All that said, great show and great question.

[@jessehudson1318]

Rotate people to stay that last hour? Also - to think that the boomer generation doesn’t have massive entitlement is hilarious.

[@derekcox6531]

Some of the laziest ppl I’ve ever had the misfortune of working with,have been boomers. Truth.

[@MaryWehmeier]

Bingo!

[@randyeverson8296]

Customer service from home or in office all depends on the business model. Sounds like Ramsey has a clear expectation up front, which is fair.

[@maxpendley4357]

This guy is being unreasonable. Just listen to your employees and understand why. You have enough people to be flexible. He also didn’t say it on the call, but if they’re a security consulting group, I promise you their work doesn’t stay within the means of 8-5. He probably just wants people in the office during that time because that’s the way it’s always been and he doesn’t want to change it. Also, it’s not workplace activism, Dave. It’s called using your worth in the market to leverage what you want. It’s not “you should let me work from home because it’s what I want” it’s “I want to work from home and will have no hard time finding that opportunity if you don’t give it to me first”. Sure, this guy may want things his way, but allowing people to work through lunch is such a small price to pay to get/retain quality talent. If they don’t get it there, they’ll get it somewhere else. No problem.

[@Moolarkey]

If they work and get their job done, why do you care if they take an hour for lunch in the middle of the day? Isn't the point to get the job done? Lighten up.

[@joshmurray8249]

I'm with you in most jobs, but I get it with this situation, he needs people to handle customers certain hours of the day...now if he could go the other way and get everyone on board with skipping lunch he could change the business hours to close an hour earlier

[@cyrushogwood6685]

@EntreLeadership Check the law! Oregon state labor law requires employees to take mandatory breaks between designated times of the day.

[@cyrushogwood6685]

FAQ: If an employee works through the lunch period and wants to leave 30 minutes early, may allow that? A: Generally, no. If it is possible for you to provide the 30-minute meal period, you must do so and require the employee to take the meal break. If, however, one of the exceptions to the requirement to provide a meal period applies, you must pay the employee for working through the meal period, and you may then choose to shorten the employee’s work shift.​

[@vickieclark5931]

Yeah, the communist states do have those laws in place. Big government always puts their noses in where they don't belong. And of course they say they do it for the little people cause they care. LOL Makes me laugh when I hear that.

[@GlendaR173]

Why if someone works 9 hours a day, then why is there no flexibility? For example I just got a customer message me at 8:30 tonight. I am not at work?

[@jesseurizar7146]

Such a dumb call

[@Thesussysuscat]

An hour long unpaid break is terrible. I hate taking breaks at work. I'd rather get my shit done and get home with my family . Other then just sit on my break waiting to get back to work.

[@anonymousanonymous7593]

Dave is so behind the times, it's really sad.

[@maybelater234]

I think it’s unethical to require a 9 hour day and only pay for 8. Every boss knows nobody can do anything with a disjointed hour in the middle of the day, so it’s just a waste of my hour. Also, no one asked WHY. Sometimes people’s circumstances change. For example, if it is costing your employee $30/hour to have after school childcare so they can stay late and give you an hour for free in the middle of the day, it’s probably reasonable for them to ask you to work through so they can leave early OR to ask you to pay them for that extra hour to cover the cost of their wasted time. Either of those would be a fair compromise that offers both parties the chance to get their needs met and offering to work through lunch is a FREE solution for the company. I also think it is important for the boss to have the why so they don’t sound as entitled as Dave sounds here. The caller will lose his employees if they can’t afford the extra $150 to laze around for an hour in the middle of every school day. Other possible solutions are to poll the employees and give half the 7-3 shift and half the 9-5 shift. Or let some work 8 hours with a break and some without a break, with a solid agreement as to who covers what. Or change your business hours to reflect 8-4 instead of 8-5. So many answers, being rigid isn’t the right one!

[@ravanpee1325]

If the labour law requires a 1 hour break the employer needs to enforce it

[@thesauce669]

Not hard to solve --- rotate workforce so some leave early and some stay until 5 each day. Those that stay until 5 start an hour later. Dave and his old man mentality. This is a cybersecurity company not a manufacturing facility.

[@Yeemaster345]

After this speech, any Ramsey employee with any sense at all would be looking for another job. What an absolute tyrant.

[@lindamishalanie5593]

Lol😂

[@LopezBoricua]

Why??? 😂

[@Jeremiahking101]

He's got boomer syndrome.

[@jkhoover]

Such a stupid comment.

[@cmrdrgz]

It's Ramseys company. All this should've been made known during the hiring process. Why demand or ask to work from home? People need to apply for jobs that allow this to begin with, not once you are hired.

[@LifestyleKunal]

Some real advice from Dave

[@1wJan]

Honestly. If you want an employee to be at work for 9 hours then you need to pay them for 9 hours. If you pay them for 8 hours, well then they are free to leave after 8 hours of work. If you have a support window that is 9 hours then you just put up a schedule where some of the people that want to skip lunch start an hour later. Problem solved. :) You as an employee also need to see the needs of your employees. Ex we have one person that needs to leave at 3pm to pick up his kid. And then he comes in, in the evening and finishes up his day's work from home. We help him with his life puzzle and in return we get a more loyal co-worker. We expect people to work extra and stick around if we run into a problem that needs to be fixed ASAP and in return for their flexibility we try to be flexible back, when it is not an emergency. This give and take makes everyone more happy and we get more out of everybody.

[@DioDiablo702]

I work 12 hour shifts. 8 hours is nothing. If you can't handle an 8-hour shift, that normally comes with an hour lunch and 30 minutes worth of break, then you're going to struggle as an adult.

[@timgibney5590]

Cybersecurit IT folks work around the clock and always on call. Sometimes it's 30 hours a week. Sometimes it is a 50 hour straight shift in an incident. Not everyone has low or semi skilled experience who is desperate for a job that everyone can do. Therefore you increase the pay and working conditions to retain talent or they go elsewhere. SImple

[@alexxavier1095]

You got soft hands

[@michaelspencer3586]

Exactly. My goal everyday is to get over 11 hours a day at the very least. Plus it’s all about the money nowadays.

[@MikeyB_1972]

Let some people start later in the day and then stay later to cover those hours. Rotate that from time to time.

[@Nowyouknowmore]

An unpaid required 1 hour lunch break is BS. My old boss did this to me but I was required to stay at the hospital with a pager. I didn't get paid to be on standby for the 1 hour lunch. If you want people, there for a required 1 hour lunch it should be a paid hour. If you want people to work 9 hours to cover customers, then split your shifts. ALSO not everyone wants to work weekends but there are ALOT of people who only want to work weekends. IF that is YOUR case then hire part timers to work weekends only, so your full timers can enjoy family time. They will be more productive and happier. Why are so many employers dumb to this. Even robots need oil and Maintenace. give your workers a nice balance to keep them happy.

[@onlinebusiness.simplified]

Ive done both extremes. Really? Theyre not leaving early, theyre working straight through. Theyre still working 8 hours. If theyre good, it is stupid to lose good people over something small. Stagger a schedule that allows for a few at a time to stay each day until your business hours for customers is over. Rotate all 18 employees through this way and your customers will still be serviced, and your employees still have the option. Taking care of your people gets you a better return. Dave's response just sounds like an old guy that wants things his way, even if hebis an awesome dude. It is his company tho. But its not true that people get less work done at home. You either have good work ethic or you dont

[@caboose2016]

Same issue in similar field. Compromise was adjusting start times for half the employees. With tech support all lunches turned to working lunches, half employees started at 8 a.m other at 9 a.m, switch every 2 weeks. Customers were still taken care of.

[@DeathswingKettlebell]

Id rather work 6 hours. Wanna keep your employees long term? Give them flexibility. It's not entitled. And we should stop following Henry Fords work legacy. This isnt life

[@Bethanyfarmhomestead]

If this is truly about serving customers and productivity, why not allow employees to stagger their hours so full hours are covered? This is less about being millennial or Gen Z as much as being flexible…..and I’m Gen X!

[@hollisconant2566]

in most states there are laws on being a employer on lunch breaks

[@MRaths]

You can run your business however you’d like BUT it is a limited view. Many organizations are fully remote meritocracy’s that are ultra competitive and collaborative. It takes a different kind of leader than what Dave maybe is, but some leaders thrive in managing remote projects.

[@cableapostle]

You know.... it seems to me, that a lot of situations go as far back as social media. I'm going to be honest also... I had learned the hard way. Unless you're marketing your business and services; social media and workplaces do not mix well in employment. Stay on business! There is a time and a place for social media. Dave Ramsey got a point on customer service. A business you're working for is in business to service customers. Your customers are how your business stays in business. I do not believe it's asking too much for people to work eight hours a day for working. I'm sorry (I'm a millennial saying this as well), Tiktok is not paying your freakin' bills! TikTok does not care about your situation! You gotta work because you need money! You need money because you have bills and need to pay for them! Everybody's got to eat, one way or another. There is a saying I heard a long time ago: You have to do something to make a living! Money does not come out your @$$.

[@trfrierson]

He just needs to have people who are willing to work the later hours so he has coverage. Since i startes working i always did a job where i could work 7 to 3 30pm. I also have always been in an industry where most companies had 37.5 work week and you could choose between a 1/2 hour to 1 hour lunch. I would not ever take a job thats 8 to 5 or 9 to 6. I wouldnt do that to my manager.

[@cyoohoos]

Dave is correct. You are the boss and you make the rules. Now my company has that those who are highly sought after in the workplace jumped ship. And they have also have had a hard time hiring talent. But again, your rules.

[@jeremiahMndy]

Dave's advice here so far isn't good. For the ones who want to skip lunch, I would start them 1 hour later so I could get an 8 hour day from them until 5 pm.

[@izzywond3r]

Being that employee that stayed 1 hour after my co workers left, to take care of the last hour calls never bothered me, i had a whole office to myself and was able to use my phone when there was no calls. i disagree with Ramsey saying it's priority to keep people when clearly they're still working and being productive. If anything you should ask who wants to come in and hour late? Asl who wants to stay an hour later? Find out what your team wants, otherwise you are the only "team" and you figure out you can't do it alone.

[@Quentyn73]

"My name is on the building" You sunk money into that building, and now you're justifying your decision. And to the Mook who asks whether he can force employees to use 1 hour lunch and spend 9 hours at work - you're lost buddy