Entry Level Watches from 3 Three Top Watchmakers

[@IDF4TW3501]

Got a Grone ordered, can't wait for it to arrive.

[@watchartsci]

Peter, would like to see it posted on High Horology Lounge on a Sunday. Take care, Bill

[@roubenkhosrovian]

5:30 I think the only other person who has done this is Max Busser with MAD1 🤔.

[@watchartsci]

Roubèn, the MAD is quite thick and displays the time from the side. The Grøne is quite different-but the concept of make an affordable watch with an important watchmaker is similar. Take care, Bill

[@musiclover4311]

Always the best, Bill!

[@watchartsci]

Hey Music Lover, thanks man! Take care, Bill

[@Chiller11]

The Strehler is a gorgeous watch. The blue deeply guilloched dial is really attractive. If I had a spare 20K francs lying around it would be high on my list.

[@watchartsci]

There's a 1-year waiting period (production backlog) and a 2'000 CHF deposit- so you have a whole year to save up the remaining 18K, Chiller. Take care, Bill

[@obud3777]

I have ordered the Gröne!

[@watchartsci]

Did you get one before they sold out Obud? I hope so-show it off on HHL when you get it! Take care, Bill

[@obud3777]

@ Yes I did, I hope it arrives today! 👍

[@simmysharma6845]

👍😊. Enjoy the Holiday season Bill

[@watchartsci]

You too Simmy! Have a great holiday and New Years! Cheers, Bill

[@HowardMeyers-m8g]

The point you make about there often being relatively affordable references of some kind by top independent watchmakers is true. 1916 Company has a 43mm Armin Strom limited edition Gravity AWC with a $7900 ask for which they will take $7,000. I think the original retail of the limited edition was $20,000. It is a glorious piece. The piece has Arabic language numeric indices which is one reason it probably hasn’t sold but I know what this reference looks like with conventional Arabic (1,2,3…) numeric indices and the Arabic language numeric indices are aesthetically much more preferable IMO. It is a fantastic watch with an open works dial and an amazing abstract gold decorative piece on the works side. An amazing piece of horology at a relatively affordable price.

[@watchartsci]

I love it Howard! Reminding collectors not to accept the offer-> always make a counter-offer! (I'd probably go $6,700) Take care, Bill

[@HRM.H]

Keeping my fingers crossed Grönefeld/Grøne releases a affordable manufacture movement someday. A piece with a Dutch made movement around 4000 euro would be super interesting. Sadly i dont see them going down this road, especially nowadays.

[@watchartsci]

HRM, that would be nice, and to get one you'd need to get up early before they sold out! (I'd be there first!) Take care, Bill

[@TimG--]

Outstanding Bill. This was really great content. Believe or not love the entry level Vacheron Constantin FiftySix three hander! Though no Geneva Seal or not an in-house movement; it’s well done ! I am thinking of getting one as a daily. Merry Christmas Bill & Bill Homies 🥃🏌🏽‍♂️

[@watchartsci]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too- I know you'll start celebrating New Year's as soon as the ball drops in New Zealand! Bill

[@Abns92]

Bill these are nice picks , Interestingly that Andreas Strehler UA/SA-30 is the base movement for Vianney Halter VH-122 caliber , Gronefeld principia automatic caliber that you mentioned and now recently all Christiaan Van der Klaauw astronomical complications are powered by the same base caliber . But as you said none of these aforementioned watches come at around 20k usd or close to that price range so it is not in anyway cheap but in comparison it’s a steal for master watchmakers work .

[@HRM.H]

I didnt know van der klaauw now also uses this movement! I wonder if my local watchmaker can order parts for them, as he used to work for Christiaan v/d Klaauw

[@watchartsci]

Whoa, that's a solid caliber then with other top watchmakers using the UA/SA-30, Abns. I'm glad that CVDK is moving away from ETA-based entry level watches (like my Ceres was). Take care, Bill

[@Abns92]

@HRM.H, @WatchArtSci actually CVDK started rolling the new movement from May itself and they were severely criticised for using the word new in house instead of new proprietary movement as it was misleading 😂.

[@HRM.H]

​@@Abns92oh wow.. thats definitely a bad move.

[@watchartsci]

@@Abns92 I think CV retired some time ago...and some of the movements or modules may have been designed by him in the past, but I don't know what he's doing now with the brand.

[@valtim22]

Great video. Thank you for sharing. Marry Christmas everyone 🎄

[@watchartsci]

Merry Christmas, Val! Cheers, Bill

[@villaman4818]

I like your Chaumet...i need to get myself one of these i think.. Merry Christmas

[@watchartsci]

Here's a nice one for you Villain! ( www.chrono24.com/chaumet/-chaumet-w1166029k--id28563266.htm?searchHash=26bb402f_qAi8Ik&pos=1 ) Merry Christmas to you too, Bill

[@villaman4818]

@@watchartsci That is most kind of you. Its a good price too. Wishing you and your family a great Christmas...From Blighty.

[@paulzarookian7363]

If you are interested in the exact one Bill owns I have one, and would be interested in moving it on.

[@bettersteps]

5:00 look how long that seconds hand is. What a beauty. I'd by happy with that on my wrist.

[@watchartsci]

If you like long second sweep hands, that is definitely the watch for you Emjay! Take care, Bill

[@donculp9094]

Thanks Bill.

[@watchartsci]

My pleasure, Don. Take care, Bill

[@eurovnik]

Personally I'm an admirer of pure machine-made mass production and think Sellita/Citizen straight from the factory are the pinnacle of contemporary watchmaking. But hats off for these first two picks. They are a lot more interesting and better value than paying similar money for a Rolex, which is just another mass-produced product. I reckon that the Miyota 9000 series of movements made by Citizen are very impressive - 28,800vph, thinner and cheaper than the Swiss equivalent.

[@watchartsci]

Eurovnik! You're a man who knows what he likes! I respect that. Take care, Bill

[@cedshred1676]

I really like Armin Strom watches

[@watchartsci]

Ced, you better not look at that Armin Strom Manual Air on C24... Take care, Bill

[@Fortgeorge67]

Was eyeing a Montblanc Nicolas Rieussec mono pusher chronograph with the MB R100 manual wind in house movement

[@watchartsci]

I like that one, and that movement too James! Take care, Bill

[@Fortgeorge67]

Nice watches

[@watchartsci]

Which one do you like best James? Take care, Bill

[@Fortgeorge67]

I like the Andrea Strehler Sirna the dail is beautiful Happy holidays 🎄 and a merry Christmas to you and your family

[@Fred-rg5vw]

20k is entry level?

[@watchartsci]

Yes Fred. You can find some Armin Strom watches on the pre-owned market for as little as $6k. Take care, Bill

[@Fred-rg5vw]

For a dummy (me ) could you explain what hertz means ? What does that mean functionality wise? Cheers in advance. And merry Christmas

[@watchartsci]

@@Fred-rg5vw Think of a pendulum on a clock. It swings to the left (tick) and to the right (tock). Likewise, the balance wheel on a watch is essentially a round pendulum-if you look at a single arm on a balance wheel, you can think of it as a pendulum swinging one way (a semi-oscillation) and then the other-two semi-oscillations= 1 oscillation.(tick-tock). A watch's Hz (Hertz) is the number of oscillations per second. So 3Hz means the balance wheel makes 3 full oscillations every second.== tick-tock every 3 seconds. You will also see the term "frequency" which is the number of semi-oscilatios per hour. There are 3,600 second per hour, and a 3Hz watch makes 3 full oscillations per second so that would be 36000 x 6 (2 semi-oscillations per oscillation) equals a frequency of 21,600 so/hr. Your typical mechanical watch runs at 4Hz, and I prefer 3Hz or less-larger balance wheel (greater inertia=great stability), less wear and tear on the watch works, longer reserve.

[@tonydilucente2342]

Your entry level and my entry level do not jibe. Good luck with your elitist channel.

[@watchartsci]

Tony, now that you know about the entry level of top watchmakers, what watches make you happy that you can afford? Take care, Bill