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[@filthyklownzssb4589]

Pretty sure there was more evidence of this found in the giga leak. Also, the light medallion doesn't have a temple, however the spirit temple is filled with light puzzles.

[@alinkinthechain]

Yeah, why is the first medallion you get the "light" medallion when your *spirit* was sealed for 7 years?!

[@filthyklownzssb4589]

@@alinkinthechain yeah the game is a mess in that way. There also isn’t really any reason for there to be a light medallion, it has no function. It was just given to you at that point because it would give the arrows the light property. Maybe you needed that to defeat phantom ganon, teaching you to use them in the final fight against ganondorf. But again the game is a mess and every story beat was reworked the year before release.

[@itz_akuma]

The sacred realm is the temple of the light medallion . No puzzle needed . Raru was the one sage Ganon couldn't touch so no need to fight a boss and do a whole temple .

[@SgvSth]

@@itz_akuma That's the revised story that did make it into OoT, but not one of the original ones. In any case, that part is also weird as Ganondorf should have messed with the Spiritual Stones given that Link was using them to open the Door of Time.

[@itz_akuma]

@@SgvSth bro Ganon didn't want the spiritual stones he wants the triforce . So you really dont make sense at all

[@9Gumgrub]

I always saw the Forest Medallion as blades of grass, but that’s probably just my Pokémon Bias. The water temple definitely looks like a snowflake though

[@person_guy3505]

Interestingly enough, Twilight Princess has a Wind Dungeon (City in the Sky) an Ice Dungeon (Snowpeak Ruins) and a Light Dungeon (Temple of Time)

[@GarryDumblowski]

It's commonly believed that when a dungeon is scrapped in a (3D) Zelda game, the concepts are reused for later dungeons in other (3D) Zelda games. It's very possible that the Snowpeak Ruins and City in the Sky are virtually identical to the original Wind and Ice Temples.

[@ls190v2]

When the Sorceress Sisters (Twinrova) rise from the ground in their boss room, marks appear on the platforms resembling two of the Medallions you have, the Fire Medallion and Water Medallion, further implying Water was meant to be Ice.

[@maxemus1529]

It amazes me there's parts of OoT i still havent seen, thanks for pointing that one out, id never noticed!

[@itsmarshallll2600]

​@@maxemus1529 I just noticed it after watching the video because I just beat Twinrova and noticed the resembling medaillions. And I have beaten the game probably 50 times or more without even noticing it

[@Kitty255Again]

I think the Forest Temple works more than a Wind Temple anyways. The whole place feels like a dream you can't wake up from and none of the rooms make sense which adds to the feeling. At least we got a really good Wind Temple in Wind Waker.

[@jeanbob1481]

the forest temple that we got was top tier

[@Kitty255Again]

@@jeanbob1481 the Shadow Temple is more instinctively scary with danger both seen and unseen, as well as the implications and history of the place. The Forest Temple can get in your head though, having this eerie feeling that isn't really backed up by anything physically present throughout. God, Zelda games are so cool.

[@Derekuko]

Eh, I would honestly call the Wind Temple of WW the worst dungeon of the game, and it's not like the game's known for the dungeon design

[@Kitty255Again]

@@Derekuko I think it's fine as a dungeon, but my playthroughs slow down alot when I get to the Earth and Wind temples.

[@argolds]

​@@Kitty255Again I believe what makes Forest Temple great and so eerie is because it's the first temple you enter after Ganondorf's control over Hyrule. Also, you face Phantom Ganondorf there. So it's pretty much that feeling of "ooooooh boy... this land needs a hero and, man, here I am"

[@BrothersCourage]

One of our favorite background music is the Ice Cavern.

[@arc7375]

OoT was originally planned to have Gabon’s Castle as a central hub, with different areas accessed inside it, much like the painting worlds inside Peach’s Castle. So it follows that the original ideas for the Temples (including the original Wind and Ice) would still be referenced.

[@QuasarEE]

It's worth considering that the color green is also associated with wind element in the systems the Zelda developers would likely be referencing in their designs.

[@mayhemmacy1566]

it is also related to Farore.

[@jebroiroij2176]

@@mayhemmacy1566and if the theory is to believed that the magic spells were originally medallion abilities, then Farore’s Wind would understandably be associated with a Wind Temple

[@Farron6]

Wasn’t OoT originally planned to be like super Mario 64 where you went through portals connected at Ganons Tower. Wind and Ice may be leftovers from that phase of development

[@EonAegis]

There are quite a few noticable development differences still visible within Ocarina of Time, and I do think Ganon's Tower/Castle (w/e you wanna call it) is a very notable part. From what we've been told in interviews, what you're saying is correct - though the hub world idea was quickly scrapped as a story started forming. That being said, the area may well have been completed much earlier as a result of it most likely having been said hub area.

[@braziliantsar]

It's said the phantom ganon's battle is also a leftover of this concept. Would be pretty interesting to be honest; I always found oot to be too similar to Alttp.

[@greenlightning6803]

I’m pretty sure that’s also why the forest temple looks kinda castle like

[@elio7610]

One hypothesis is that the forest temple was an early version of ganon's castle. The forest temple does not really have much to do with forests, aside from being located within one, so it is not difficult to imagine it having a different purpose.

[@Sypaka]

During early development stage, a player was supposed to use those medallions as a magic item. This function was later relocated to Din's Fire, Farore's WIND (Jup, that's what the "Forest Medallion" did) and the third one I forgot. Using medallions as weapons was copied over from aLttP, where you could get 3 medallions to summon elementals - which killed everything on screen. They also averted having to code 6 types of attacks for each medallion. I would even say at somepoint, they had the two shadow and light medallion being able to change the clock daytime/night, before it was removed 2-3 days later and embedded into the debug menu -and then they returned that as that one song after it was done.

[@lpfan4491]

The game truly went through a ton of diffrent development stages and a lot of it has remnants in the final game. There are also programmed damagevalues and drops for three unused arrow types to make them correspond to each of the medallions(In the final game, only 3 exist and they have no relation to the temples and sages, beyond the Light Arrows being given by the 7th sage arbitrarily as part of the plot)

[@Sypaka]

@@lpfan4491 Oh yeah. Maybe the medallions were used to fuse elementals in the bow as well?

[@GarryDumblowski]

​@@SypakaThey were, at least according to the reconstructed demo where you're able to do that. Speaking of which, the third spell, Nayru's Love (which puts up a shield), was originally the effect of the Shadow Medallion's spell (surprisingly not Water, as I was personally expecting at first). The Water Medallion's spell froze enemies in front of Link, the Spirit Medallion turned Link into a fairy like the similar spell in Zelda II, and the Light Medallion stunned undead enemies (like the Sun's song does in the final game)

[@mrjack3855]

I like how the shadow medallion's symbol is the opposite of the light medallion

[@microwaveoven2]

Ice cavern is dope. Fav place in OoT.

[@danielcurren2119]

This also explains why zora’s domain remains frozen even when morpha is defeated. Lake Hylia is restored but zora’s domain remains unchanged, which would only make sense with it originally being an ice temple. Nothing about morpha screamed ice

[@user-mc5qs9xf3o]

The designs might be around the gods abilities (Farour’s wind and Nayrue’s love). The Farour’s wind uses wind for teleportation and Narue’s love is an ice diamond circling and protecting Link.

[@asteroidrules]

So you're saying we were almost spared from having to experience the water temple entirely.

[@EonAegis]

This is exactly what I am saying yes :)

[@realitant]

A few rooms of ice cavern were more than enough. You really want more block puzzles, ice keese, and constantly going back for more blue fire?

[@mayhemmacy1566]

just get more bottles lol@@realitant

[@realitant]

@@mayhemmacy1566 there are only four bottles in the game and one is extremely tedious to get. That's not even enough to clear ice cavern in one go. I guarantee a full temple would be much worse

[@thepancakemann]

Fun story: my entire grade 4 class was stuck on the water temple because none of us had easy access to strategy guides. Over the grade 4 summer break I was the only one to actually beat it because of dumb luck. Went on to beat the rest of the game without issue soon after. To this day I think it's the hardest Zelda temple ever.

[@pinkdarkboy7127]

I like to think that they made the rooms in Ganon's castle first as a way to warm up before making the full scale dungeons, and as themes changed and got scrapped, someone asked if they should redesign the Ganon rooms to better match the completed dungeons and Miyamoto was just like "Listen, it's not worth going back and changing. Half of these kids are never gonna make it far enough into the game to even see adult Link."

[@glennianheroes1383]

it is actually confirmed that the first two dungeons for the game were ganons tower (second) and hyrule castle, which later on got plopped into the slot for a wind temple and then they renamed it all to forest instead theres also a remnant of the earliest ganons tower design in the final's fire temple - statues that decorated it became the ones at the entrance to the fire temple, and this is pretty clearly visible in the render of it shown in death mountain crater as well

[@robo3007]

So Ocarina of Time and Doom have something in common... they both started development on the end game levels first

[@quigz125]

I almost feel like a lot of games are built, or were built backwards. I almost feel like that would be better like how some books are written. Like “we have the goal figured out. Now let’s figure out how to get to the goal.” The rest you can make up as you go along. That’s my theory on it. lol

[@Technicallyaddicted]

This is because the wind system was too complicated for the N64 to operate properly and it was hollowed out to what you see in ganons tower. The floor for the ice temple requires too much ram to produce in large scale and it doesn’t work well with the jump mechanic. 31 years of being a Zelda fan and I own every Nintendo Zelda thing ever from 1982-2023.

[@Nazo-kage]

Was there ever an explanation given for why the spirit medallion is placed before the shadow medallion, but it’s the shadow Temple that seems to be the one they want you to go to after The first three temples.

[@warioland523]

Ice is water in a solid state. So the Water Medallion works. I guess wind works for Forest too since wind is often associated wit nature what and do you think of usually when it comes to nature? Forests.

[@Mr.pumpkin443]

I was so happy when I saw the ice trial in Ganons Tower. Biggest relief of my life

[@slylover123]

Can you make deep dive videos like this for Majora's mask?

[@EonAegis]

I would love to! Majora's Mask is my favorite Zelda game :)

[@jaketheTerran]

With the ice cavern being underwhelming and wind puzzles not being my thing IMO Nintendo made the right call.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

Aww, I like the Ice Cavern lol mini dungeons were fun in this game

[@MrFusion]

Makes me wonder if the developers were itching to do an ice temple considering we got Snowhead in the next game. It makes me wonder why they even kept the Ice Cavern, but they probably just wanted to make puzzles with ice physics.

[@AshesofLegend]

Should I go back to playing oot

[@shadowmcphantom]

Yes cuz its the best game ever

[@danculbert6349]

Yea then play Majoras Mask directly after

[@itz_akuma]

I just beat ocarina of time on my channel ; check it out .!!!

[@matthewjones9237]

Give us updates. How are you going to play it? Straight run through? Side quests first? Details...

[@AshesofLegend]

@@matthewjones9237 100% or any %

[@devonm042690]

The Medallions were designed during a time in development where the first adult dungeon was the Wind Temple (possibly Palace of Wind), the third was the Ice Temple (possibly Ice Palace), the fifth was the Dark Temple (possibly Temple/Palace of Darkness) with Mido as its sage, and the Temple of Light (possibly Palace of Light) was probably the penultimate dungeon (more on that in a bit). During this time in development, each Medallion was _actually_ a symbol of the corresponding sage bestowing some of their power onto Link as the accompanying text describes them to be. The Medallions were originally equippable magic items. They could be equipped on their own or to the same C as the Bow. Equipping them on their own was the original form of what became Din's Fire (FIre Medallion), Farore's Wind (Wind Medallion), and Nayru's Love (the Dark Medallion cloaked Link in a veil of darkness that made him invisible, visually represented to the player as the Nayru's Love crystal but black) while the other spells were either incorporated in other ways or cut entirely (the Ice Medallion summoned chunks of ice in a wide area around Link, the Spirit Medallion gave the player control of Navi who could be freely maneuvered in the 3D space and when the spell ended Link was moved to Navi's position, and the Light Medallion created a bright flash that stunned all enemies in a wide area around Link including having the effect the Sun's Song has on ReDeads and Gibdos but on all undead enemies). Equipping them to the same C as the Bow was how you got elemental arrows in this early build of the game. Fire, Ice, and Light Arrows are obvious, and while the other elemental arrow types have their effects attached to them in their code that was just left in the game, since there was nothing designed with their use in mind, they just have their own guaranteed drops if used to kill enemies that don't have their own guaranteed drops (like how Light Arrows override the drop tables of enemies killed by them with a 100% Purple Rupee drop). The Wind Arrow and Dark Arrow force a large magic jar and 10-arrow stack drop between them (I forget which does which), and I believe the Spirit Arrow forces a fairy drop.

[@arcanine_enjoyer]

Wind is usually linked to Grass in some media. Aero in Final Fantasy if that rings any bells. Ice is just frozen Water, so that also checks out. I often see games, when they want a limited palette of elements, use Water for Ice as well, and Wind and Grass/Wood are bunched together. I even saw one put Electricity in with Metal, as technically, we use metal to conduct it.

[@jordanbloomfield]

If you view the medallions as having opposing forces then shadow and light make sense (their designs reflect this idea as well), Fire and Ice (or water) also make sense, but forest and… Spirit? Maybe it was designed with wind and earth themes in mind?

[@amandaslough125]

Think more physical earth vs spiritual mind.

[@cal5964]

If I recall right then there are overgrown fans in the forest temple

[@elio7610]

It is also weird how the "Zora's Sapphire" has more resemblance to the symbols on the shadow medallion and light medallion than the water medallion.

[@claudelorey6505]

It makes sense; I recall seeing that ganon’s tower was made first when the concept was to have it as a hub world a’la SM64

[@_MIKIMOTO_]

This makes a lot of sense that would of been dope if they made a secret temple that would represent both wind and ice and made a fusion medallion anyway huge Zelda nerd love the vids bro 🫡

[@thatonechick1318]

Fun fact! In Wind Waker, when you play the Ballad of Gales, the last few notes when teleporting are the same last few notes of the Minuet of the Forest from Ocarina of Time!

[@bombkangaroo]

I think this can be partly explained by the influence of Wuxing: The five elements represent the basic elements of the earth: fire, wood, earth, water, and metal. Fire represents the south and the summer season. Wood represents the east and a windy climate; earth is the change in the seasons and the center direction. Water represents the north and winter, and lastly, metal represents the west and autumn.

[@reddeath707]

Love your videos. OoT was a childhood favorite, and it's neat to learn more about it.

[@enduringstone]

innnnnnnnteresting! never struck me how incongruous the tower mini-levels were before now.

[@boycemallas8190]

It seems like the Forest Temple was suppose to be wind, Water Temple Ice, and the Spirit Temple could have been like Young and Old? Cause the Spirit Medallion looks like the Ying and Yang symbol, and you have to visit the temple as Young and Adult Link.

[@zepherscotty]

OOT was an absolute mess in terms of development. Its common knowledge that its basically half a game because they originally wanted it for the DD. But that makes it even more amazing when you consider how great it was.

[@lpfan4491]

Honestly, the coolest retcon in the series is in Wind Waker where it is written in that a wind temple DOES exist in hyrule and it is probably retroactively intended that Fado(Aka. girl who laughs at Link because she thinks he's about to get got by the forest's magic) is its sage during this era. And the reason she is gone for most of the adult portion is for the specific purpose of helping to keep the Master Sword powered up in the background. Sadly, they went with an Earth temple instead of an Ice temple and its sage is not implied to be anyone's descendant in particular, so F on that one.

[@WavyHabbits777]

Woulda been cool to have a proper ice and wind temple though ngl

[@Jolis_Parsec]

Considering that TP seems to have a lot of the scrapped OoT dungeon concepts, I’m wondering if that was the team wanting to remake OoT on more superior hardware compared to the N64 and with more experience before deciding to make an entirely new Zelda game instead.

[@Burntegg-rv1vt]

I always thought that the snowflake on the water medallion was representing the curse that froze zoras domain.

[@zeromontalvan1514]

I always found amazing how they recovered that concept in totk, where we finally have a wind temple instead of a forest one, and at the same time, in oot ganondorf "magic" attacks are mostly Electric, instead of just being magic balls like phantom ganon, his beams have an electric effect, so I like to think that comparing it to totk sages, he had the role of electric sage, which later was passed down to riju and now ganondorf in totk has the role of the sage of shadows, which I always felt a little bit weird that a "sage of shadows" was confronting the king of darknes

[@EonAegis]

Something that's interesting about the wind and forest temples that is interesting to note is that they ended up going hand in hand in a lot of cases after Ocarina skimmed over the wind aspect. Just a few key examples: In the Wind Waker, while there is a forest dungeon, the people of the forest - The Koroks, descended of the Kokiri - are intrinsically tied to the Wind Temple, and play a major role. It also continues a forest-like motif, making it a Forest-Wind Temple hybrid. In Twilight Princess, the first dungeon is the Forest Temple, which feels exactly like a retread of what the Ocarina of Time Wind Temple could've been. It's largely based around winds, with the Gale Boomerang playing an active role in the solving of wind-based puzzles. It's moreso a Wind Temple in the Forest in that regard - kind of what the Forest Temple in Ocarina of Time seemed like it'd have been. In the Minish Cap (weird deviation to 2D), the first dungeon is once again set in a forest with the Deepwood Shrine, and once again Wind plays a major role - this time in terms of wind generation of your own accord thanks to the Gust Jar. Though since the shrine is played entirely in minish form, it plays around more with some unique things like life-size mushrooms and lilypads, which are also somewhat foresty things.

[@zeromontalvan1514]

@EonAegis yeah, I think that unused ideas were used in the next zelda game, just precisely as the wind temple remains in tp and ww, buy at this point. I'm not sure if it was officially said on an interview or something like that since I kind of remember hearing that, but I don't really remember where it was, maybe in the interview where they talked about "ura zelda". At the end is fascinating how they also reused and completed many scrapped ideas across all the following zelda games, like the city being in the center of the map just like they did with termina in majoras (but interestingly, it was separated in 4 regions just like in tp, so the map was originally 4 times bigger and just left one section to the final game) or use the sword while riding a horse later used in tp, oot really was gonna be really huge in comparison than it ended being, maybe tp or (gameplay wise) botw are the nearest games we have to what ocarina of time was planned to be

[@DeitySkullKid]

Time to point this out again Twilight princess is a redo of Oot where they add the stuff they didnt get to on the n64 The temple locations line up, a forest temple, the inside of the gorons volcano, the bottom of lake hylia,the temple at the end of the desert, , only one missing is the shadow temple And they got to add horse combat, the temple of time is a dungeon like they intended in Oot, the city in the sky has to do with fans and wind gimmicks like the wind temple was supposed to, and the snowpeak manor is full of ice puzzles and creatures, a full oce dungeon as well, so aside the palace of shadow, the new dungeon locations are amazingly, all of the dungeons themes that were cut from oot! And if you wanna say "oh well the tp tot doesnt really use light gimmicks like the light temple was supposed to" no, that was put on the palace of shadow, where you use the light sols to get around and get rid of the shadows Oh hey, remember that pedestal that was unused in oot where it had an ocarina, signaling you to play there for something? The howling stones or whistle spots, take your pick It really feels like they went back and just, USED their old ideas, lol

[@satellachannel6423]

And it's because Ganon's Tower was made before any of the temples (therefore before the decision was made to scrap some elements)

[@DeMoNiCk4202]

And this is why this needs to be remade how it was initially intended

[@AnAnonymousPenguin]

Maybe that's why the wind temple in wind waker is a foresty dungeon then

[@polboygiraffetamer6654]

Could also argue that ice is water and that the forest medallion could be leaves not turbine blades. Or how the spirit, shadow, and light medallions rely more on abstraction than anything "real" or literal.

[@mariokart8054]

Melee link looks awesome in OOT

[@MarboTheMapo]

I know this is kinda offtopic but how do you have N64 animations in OOT3D?

[@user-ra2tf6ac4e]

Wow I have never actually looked at these medallions before, after years of playing this game, this is literally the only game i still play.

[@LinkFrodo]

The forest medallion looks like Leafs in my opinion.

[@psi.vasquez]

Always thought that the medalions represent the bosses in each temple; Forest represents the portals, Water represents a drop encountering water or tentacles

[@doofuscawt]

I was thinking about pushing back this comment, but after looking again I see you are right

[@SgvSth]

Well, at least there is somewhat of a connection in the final game. But just to be clear, the game files make it clear that the Forest Medallion is wind based and the Water Medallion is ice based. Maybe they were changed for the scrapped Spiritual Stones idea later on and were never reverted back? Who knows.

[@SgvSth]

Additionally, parts of the games code refer to the medallions as: ICE MEDAL,

[@elio7610]

IMO, the only medallion that has any significant resemblance to the related boss is the spirit medallion.

[@doofuscawt]

@@elio7610 Look at shadow again -_-

[@voidrius]

I just kinda assumed that they took after the spiritual stone designs

[@Zack-xw7ku]

What rom or texture pack do you use to make Link look like the 3DS version?

[@Okada_Caelun]

My bet is that Ice became Water when they chose to give the Zora tunic and Iron Boots a purpose.

[@TheRealSephiroth]

All the dungeons bring a certain form of imagery to mind that tells a story. Deku tree: youre being taken out of your innocent childhood life and embarking on an adventure. Dodongo's cavern: youve seen some weird stuff but know its gonna get harder. Jabu Jabu's Belly: makes me feel like we found a gate to paradise. Forest Temple: its an old mansion where a rich family lived and died and were turned into 4 POEs and all the other monsters are their servants. Fire Temple: we have found Hell's Gate. Ice Cavern: feels oddly like theres a ghoat couple somewhere inaccessable to the player are ice skating. Water Temple: Made me think of ancient egypts pyramids, its puzzles felt like something youd expect to find in one. Bottom of the Well: Its a Torture/Interrigation hellhole and all the monsters are the people that didnt survive the torture methods. Shadow Temple: Felt like you woke up in your grave in Hell. Spirit Temple: oddly made me think of arab architecture and the residents are rather brutal to law breakers. Ganons Tower: we just entered Dracula's Castle 💀

[@ResistancexAnime]

What version of OOT is this? 🤨 It's looking crisp! 😩👌🏼

[@ByoKora775]

The wind temple was going to be DLC for ocarina of time introduced to the game via the N64DD and so was the earth temple and the area behind Jabu-Jabu where you get the iron boots and the serenade of water was supposed to be the ice temple and in the master quest version of OOT it’s even interesting of a place but by the time the N64DD released the N64 was already on it’s way to it’s death bed cuz the GameCube came out so hence these two temple ideas were used in the legend of Zelda WindWaker instead.

[@elio7610]

This whole comment is a mess, i understand part of what you are saying but i am not sure exactly. There was a planned 64DD expansion for Ocarina of Time, i still have not seen any evidence for exactly what content this expansion would contain, i am not really convinced that the expansion was ever gonna be anything more than the remixed dungeons we got in Master Quest.

[@fish_n_chipz]

​@elio7610 no talk about adding in a wind and earth temple specifically with the 64dd expansion, that's for sure. But on tcrf (where most of this video's info is sourced from) There are translated interviews with the devs during and shortly before the conclusion of the development of Ocarina of Time. They were definitely more ambitious about what they wanted to do with the expansion in the beginning, and even after the lack of success of the 64dd they still seened to be holding into the idea of making an expansion for the game with it, or even a sequel. Earky on they also had two teams working parallel on the game one focused on 64 development and the other on 64dd development

[@dsb227]

Nice!

[@LimeAtions]

N64 adult link animations on 3DS adult link is a bit cursed lol

[@brandonbrooks779]

The shadow medallion makes even less sense though. The light medallion looks like an absteact depiction lf a flash of light, and spirit looks like two spirits swirling which even fits the theme of dual bosses. But shadow? Maybe it's supposed to be an inverted version of the light medallion but that still doesn't even make sense.

[@SolidSpiderLink]

Wow 😲 that's interesting 😄

[@Plexplay]

This texture pack looks really cursed

[@GalekC]

holdup, wait a second...i may have to redesign an oc that i put "water" medallion patterns on their face since this kinda dashed the meaning behind it there, lmfao

[@luilui5780]

Then again, how do you represent forest and water in a medallion?

[@EonAegis]

...a tree and a water droplet? About the same way they showed fire as a literal fire :')

[@Westernhospitality]

But the forest temple in twilight was more wind than anything

[@j_rod_52]

Weren’t the medallions meant to be used as well?

[@SgvSth]

Yes, at one point. There last known use was to fix the Spiritual Stones, but even that got dropped.

[@katiebowers7188]

I know everyone hates the water temple but if it was a full ice temple I think it would have been worse, I absolutely hated the Ice Cavern 😂

[@toooydoeur]

I'll take ice

[@shadowforge]

No its because the sage medallions were originally supposed to be useable items and those were there effects

[@revinevan87]

This is ooooooold news

[@koganeidrynan3597]

I got that ship of harkinian going. What settings do you use!! 😊

[@mayhemmacy1566]

no its not wind and ice, its water droplets and leaves.

[@EonAegis]

I can see the leaves, especially in the 3DS version, which would be a very similar shape, but the water medallion is ice for sure. It'd be too coincidental for it to use the same design pattern as a snowflake (6 sided) which is then further exaggerated by the 3DS remake and official art to be more crystal-like in appearance. In the N64 version, this is further exaggerated by the Water Trial door being a much lighter shade of blue in Ganon's Castle, being much closer to what is traditionally a color used for ice. There's also the matter of text entries existing within the game for "Wind Medallion" and "Ice Medallion"

[@tarekcat1]

it literally looks like a snowflake

[@RennHans]

And your evidence is they look like wind and ice symbols?

[@EonAegis]

Evidence 1: Many changes are visible within Ocarina of Time, and the fact that the game has a lot of cut ideas and concepts, some of which made their way into other games. Most notably for this case, a wind temple. Evidence 2: The Ice theme of the medallion lines up well with both the Ice Cavern and the Freezing of Zora's Domain. It makes no sense for the Water Temple to be the source of the freezing, especially when Navi notes the chill is coming from the direction of Zora's Domain. Sheik only offhandedly states it comes from Morpha in the Water Temple at the end of the Ice Cavern. However, unlike the Forest Temple's clearance getting rid of the monsters in the forests and the gorons being returned to the city after you clear the Fire Temple, the Zoras are still stuck. the ice remains magically frozen, and the plotline there just... doesn't conclude. Evidence 3: As stated in the short, another piece of evidence is the inconsistent theming of the dungeons in Ganon's Castle/Tower. Nothing in the Forest section is related to anything in either the build-up or temple itself. The water section is entirely themed around the Ice Cavern, which links back to E2. Final piece of evidence: pre-release footage suggests that the medallions were, at one point, equippable items. While we don't know the nature of these, we do have magic effects that are Ice and Wind themed. The other known ones are light, fire and potentially spirit and shadow could be attributed to the remaining effects. Evidence of this being a thing at one point in time lies in the form of the pathway to the Shadow Temple, which for some unexplained reason has the fire medallion printed on the pedestal you use Din's Fire on. This is reflected within the game's files as text for equippable items exists for the wind medallion, the fire medallion and the ice medallion, tying all this speculation together. Unfortunately, this is a pretty long tangent and doesn't quite fit into a short :')

[@RennHans]

@@EonAegis Thank you for the clarification. 👍

[@EonAegis]

Anytime! I realise the provided info in the short miiight be a bit lacking :')

[@veero8130]

​@@EonAegisit's always so sad, that nothing can be done about the frozen zora domain 😭

[@lpfan4491]

@@EonAegis Technically, I think the implication is that the ice will melt on its own after Morpha is no longer there to keep it magically intact, it just takes a while. Afterall, it is unfrozen by the time the credits take place. But yeah, in an earlier storydraft we presumably would have gotten an ice temple instead of the Ice cavern and beating it would have likely unfrozen it on the spot. It really would have felt more natural rather than "don't worry about it, lol".

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

Honestly the medallions in general are an odd and buggy mess. In the original ocarina of time, all you would need to enter in the castle was the spirit medallion, shadow medallion, the hookshoot, bow and light arrows. ...this is because the game only checks the two medallions and does not bother checking the light arrows. The reason why i say only the hookshoot and light arrows are because most of the puzzles can be solved via the master sword shield and some exploits with the hookshot. Light arrows exclusively bring Ganondorf to the ground

[@EonAegis]

More specifically, the game checks for Light Arrow Cutscene completion (LACS) If the cutscene is completed, the rainbow bridge can activate. The rainbow bridge itself does not actually check for any medallions. Light Arrow Cutscene only checks Shadow and Spirit Temple medallions, because from a development standpoint this makes sense - the Forest, Fire and Water medallions are checked for Nocturne Cutscene, and are (normally) required to enter the Shadow Temple. This lets Shadow Medallion cover for the other 3 medallions. This is not a bug or oversight, rather a quirk of how the game is designed in spheres rather than strictly linearly and just general programming quirks of the era

[@stapler942]

I dunno if it has much impact, but I assume memory was still precious enough for N64 that saving on a few flag checks wasn't a bad thing if they didn't anticipate sequence breaks.

[@lpfan4491]

While it is infact disappointing to know that the first four medallions "don't actually do anything"(Especially light, since I am fairly sure it is not checked for by literally anything), the only thing that matters in practice is that stuff is sane progressionwise and it actually is, any deviation you could reasonably have is handled correctly.

[@joshherrera9034]

No not all. When you consider 3 of the medallion symbols don't mean anything, there is nothing questionable about the others. Pointless vid