EP-112 | ED ‘MISUSE’ controversy, Batla Encounter truth, Political-Criminal Nexus

Karnal Singh is an IPS officer from the batch of 1984, who headed the Enforcement Directorate from 2015 to 2018. In his impressive 34-year career, Singh led the Special Cell of the Delhi Police and as ED Chief, Singh also took charge as the Director of India's Financial Investigation Unit (FIU), playing a key role in shaping the Fugitive Economic Offenders Act.
During his tenure, Singh led investigations related to white-collar crimes and was the driving force behind the Batla House encounter, a case that made national headlines.
In our latest ANI podcast with Smita Prakash, Singh takes you behind the scenes of the Batla House encounter, unveiling its role in dismantling the Indian Mujahideen and its far-reaching political consequences.
He also delves into the cases of fugitives like Nirav Modi and Vijay Mallya. He addresses opposition allegations that ED is being ‘misused’ by centre to suppress dissent.
Singh offers insights into the Indian justice system and the reasons behind delayed justice delivery. He also shares stories about the intricate relationship between politicians and criminals in our country.
#ANIPodcastwithSmitaPrakash #KarnalSingh #Podcast
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
03:23 - Backstory of Batla House Encounter
16:38 - Busting Indian Mujahideen Terror Modules
30:27 - Political interference in cases
36:40 - Reforms in the criminal justice system
42:13 - ED Being ‘Misused’ claims
48:40 - Nirav Modi, Vijay Mallya & AgustaWestland scandal
55:06 - Challenges for Delhi Police
1:01:59 - Impact of Media Trial
1:13:53 - Cybercrime challenges for Central Agencies
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[@lordlederp]

My father was the Police Inspector and later the ACP who was involved in the Indian Mujahideen cases in Ahmedabad, Gujarat. He was the one who went to Supreme Court to file the case on government's behalf to declare Indian Mujahideen a terrorist organization before it became a very big name. Proud of him!

[@prao8136]

Thanking him for his service to Bharat🙏

[@sunilpatil1000]

God bless him

[@savitagrover6941]

Are we in the habit of doing incomplete jobs. If so one wonders why. Our banks are overflowing with stall. Our railway are over flowing with people, we are overflowing with people. . Is this the reason of our lazy ness and mess we create in our own country..

[@DonzaiNoHana]

What is his name?

[@anjankumark]

We are thankful to him !! May God bless him

[@abhinavsharma5274]

It is a shame on our system and anti national politicians that even after 15 years of Batla house encounter a senior most retired person is coming out and explaining that the encounter wasn't fake.

[@ChitBits]

Such is the job of narrative fixers that it’s hard to discern truth from lies. In the name of ‘democracy’ to speak there are scores of desh drohis roaming around…

[@veerapandyan8403]

not a single mention of dcp sanjeev kumar yadav who was the main officer who led the case and movie batla house was based on dcp sanjeev kumar yadav,,,, BJP should know that they cannot rewrite everything,,,

[@Sanjhi_Mitti]

@@veerapandyan8403 he mentioned him,u r just deaf

[@Munu1970]

​@@veerapandyan8403listen properly...Sanjeev Yadav mentioned

[@dr.nirmalraj3839]

which means that the case has not been proven beyond any doubt.

[@victor256in]

Isn't Batla the encounter where Sonia Maino AKA Mata-e-Pappu called the killed islamic terrorists her 'children', and her UPA regime went after the hero Delhi cops?

[@rajendranathanmnair4122]

Still the family controls Congress and talks for anti nationals enjoying the money we pay as tax for a lawful society. When are we going to get rid of this corrupt system

[@veerapandyan8403]

not a single mention of dcp sanjeev kumar yadav who was the main officer who led the case and movie batla house was based on dcp sanjeev kumar yadav,,,, BJP should know that they cannot rewrite everything,,,

[@veerapandyan8403]

bjp let pulwama happen in which crpf suffered,,,,isnt bjp big traitor

[@rakeshroshan4]

@@veerapandyan8403 Kehna kya chahta hai?

[@navienmarwah4150]

This was where Salman Khurshid said Pappu ki Mata cried.

[@Shibunair2000]

I grew up watching Karnal singh in Arunachal.. he was a terrific police officer.. A fearless officer, humble person, good cricketer.. he is an inspiration to many of us .

[@arvindsahai3012]

I being a law officer in prosecution am experiencing what Mr Karnal Singh talked over. Hopefully, upcoming Criminal laws will bring the desired change in the country. I have started liking this podcast due to its mature content covering the ground issues.

[@user-ky6oj7js7q]

Smita, Thank you / your team for wonderful job you are doing for country. Such a dedicated, ethical person worked in our civil service was sound like fairy tale growing up. Growing up in India ,I have seen corrupt in IPS ,IAS ,POLITICIAN , even Railway ticket checker. Listening to this interview away from motherland , my chest become 52 inch with gasp. Breath taking. Again ,keep it up good work , we need more MODI'S in India than ever before. Jai hind.

[@sasikethu2763]

I like the idea of including some laws or legal awareness in education. Mr Karnal Singh is technically strong and very polite explaining. Mrs Smita Prakash as usual the best in asking questions fearlessly 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽

[@vloggermegha7965]

What an eye opening conversation this is 🙏🏻🙏🏻 the kind of struggle and challenges they face and still they keep working 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 and what a shame on our judiciary system 😭

[@jayashreearun6324]

He hit the nail on the head - Fear - without fear, the criminals go scot free & public gets intimidated by the hype created leading the criminal to get egoist & Arrogant. Nip this in the bud by the Justice system

[@I...2728]

Smita Prakash has unbelievable guest selection skills. Except when she brings Bollywood crap for views. But other than that, the 90% guests are amazing. Love to hear this podcast whenever it releases

[@satyavachan7099]

Agreed. The Akshay kumar interview was total crap.

[@aninditasen1370]

Correct.and also idea of interviewing Indrani Mukherjee was also horrible!

[@shivkumarn6257]

​@@aninditasen1370💯👍😂

[@mohanbhavnani3681]

Just love ❤ watching your bi weekly podcasts. Smita i admire the way you conduct the conversation with your guests. I hope you're podcasts never stop. My best wishes, and a big Hi to you.

[@leodias6780]

Lll

[@apurbabhattacharjee6251]

Excellent. I was totally thrilled listening this great police officer. He is truly an inspiring person to motivate young minds. Thank you Smita.

[@vasantikulkarni13]

A very proud feeling for all Bharatiya for having IPS officer Karnal Singh Ji as a Suputra of Bharat Mata....🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@nikhilthakran]

Very thoughtful and informative podcast. Police and judiciary reforms are very much needed.

[@sivalakshmin651]

Excellent presentation of facts this is a slap on the face of all such Senseless fellows and leaders who are soft on jihadis and terrorists and their activities. Bharat Mata ki Jai.

[@TruthAlwaysWins]

Nirmamta begum, worst of all, next is Antonia Maino & family & so on.

[@sharan50000]

Smita ji great interview. I do think Karnal Sahab should have spoken in Hindi. His effect would have been much better. His English is not important. His communication is. We need to come out of this English hangover 🙏🏽🇮🇳

[@prashanthm4641]

Beyond many qualities, this man reeks ‘integrity’. If Kapil Sibal got convinced, it shows how good he was at his job.

[@chandansingh22]

Smita Di, Great work. Thanks for many such conversations in time to come.

[@jakram1]

Congratulations ANI podcast Team. Your interview of stalwarts like Karnal Singh brings hope in the Indian system.

[@LonWULF]

Very insightful conversation. Glad to hear❤

[@ChitBits]

First class interview… the words ‘the ignorance of law is no excuse - that is the legal maxim’ captures the entire raw hooliganism succinctly and in a nutshell. Perpetrators may not know the exact law but when they commit a crime their gut feel cautions them. In their urgency and urge they choose to ignore the inner voices.

[@aninditasen1370]

Loved the interview!❤

[@sasankt7068]

I work in some office and get aggressive if people are not working the right way..! And this gentleman is so calm, polite and confident seeing real time life and death issues along with political pressure etc..! WoW..! How is it possible to control the boiling blood 🩸..?

[@Candle108]

Smitaji your guests are always fearless in their truthful exposes.Thank you!!!💐🌹🙏🏻🌹

[@prakashbelgamkar9312]

Excellent episode, informative. Thanks.

[@vidyakulkarni6899]

Interesting, informative,,,thank you Smita for this interview 🙏

[@amittaneja9658]

Thankyou for your services to the country, Shree Karnal Singh. A fantastic podcast

[@gaurang1980]

Such an honourable man! Salute!

[@kripanautiyal1134]

Very informative interview with mr kamal singh. He is one of most honest officer India should be proud of. Smita prakash makes the conversations engaging which is her USP. Journalism of this nature is the best and could be emulated by others.

[@va8085]

Great podcast as always 🔥🇮🇳

[@BeShaaan]

Wow, what a great episode. Thank you sir.

[@quii9256]

Secrets related to intelligence like how security agencies work should never be made public. Enemies out there keep looking for this and improve their tactics.

[@sunderkunchithapatham5248]

Thank you for this wonderful heartwarming podcast🎉

[@heenamehta5486]

Loved every bit of the interview. Eye opener and very encouraging. ANI podcast guest selection is top notch.

[@sadashivahegdehegde3029]

Why Sonia did hue and cry on this incident of Bhatla All those IMs are living like a Student's there

[@kedarnathmishra8516]

Interesting & informative conversation.

[@vojjelapadmajasuresh7087]

Very ecellent. Ilearned much about the processes in criminal cases and political pressures.I have a bigger laugh at Neerav Modi diamonds business as millons of people are cheated and got theid ornaments devalued they got drowned.We already know about that business mouth to ears. Thank you Smitha ji andSinha ji.I still staunchly feel that he was to be continued in the posr still five years so thar the criminals could be necked in behind the bars.Modi wisely brought him back in by creating a new post which act is terrorising political criminals.God bless him with a big health and strength.

[@shasheebvij]

One of the very best by Smita

[@Cerebral.786]

Remarkable personality. Good interview.

[@Sir_Realist]

It is so heartening to hear from an outstanding police officer. Bharat is fortunate to have people like him. He is a role model for others. Hopefully he is called upon to address new recruits. He set right many erroneous perceptions and insights into the cases discussed. It is clear Bharat’s judicial system is a mess and progresses at a bullock cart pace in the space age. It is an embarrassment. The judiciary is the third pillar of a Democracy. What is the judiciary doing to clean house? It is unfortunate Smita perpetuated the myth that the juvenile in the Nirbhaya case was the most vicious. He should have been tried as an adult. That is a judicial issue. Other than Nirbhaya was subjected to inhuman treatment, only those in the bus knew who did what. In the podcast with IPS Chaya Sharma who cracked the case, she set the record straight. IPS Chaya Sharma is another stalwart that Bharat is fortunate to have. In that respect a number of outstanding people have been featured in Smita’s podcasts. They constitute a Club of heroes. This system of bureaucrats being compelled to suck up to their politicians has to stop. Both are servants of the people. The politician has the right to select and appoint his/her team. However, it should be conditional. At the same time people should have a say in who they wish working for them. But that doesn’t mean they can be coerced to break the law. The public should use RTI to question questionable actions.

[@PM-tk1hy]

Smita ji, at times you interrupt the guest. Kindly let them finish their sentence

[@citizengaming3138]

Nice transparent interview, proud of our officers who save us from evil forces

[@starspectrum6454]

A very informative video . Thank you. 🙏.

[@omkarkulkarni2035]

Great interview should do more interviews with Sir. Great interview ❤❤🎉🎉

[@anthonyjaya519]

Nice interview. Thank you sir for your dedication and service to the country.

[@KuchNhi-eh5kb]

I Am feeling so much powerless now, because our sanatani society divided on castism and Christian missionaries converting Hindus in South as well as in north east, where Muslims also converting Hindus by Sufism and by love jihaad and ready to kill every Hindu And there is one problem in society of lack of knowledge and secular mind state Where iskon guru told that Jesus and Bhagwan Shri Krishna is same by which Sanatanis are fooled by them too. What should I do to save ours? And It is beginning of kalyuga, so what is the End of it😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@harishraghurajaram3509]

We all indians appreciate madame smita prakash) for her deep free frank interviews to get all the latest India updates )

[@ravindrabapat4261]

Nice enlightening video 👍🙏

[@mishkasharma7511]

Thank you Smita,I learned much from this excellent interview

[@yogeshjain1682]

Millions of salute to Respected Karnal Singh Sir. And thanks to TEAM ANI ❤

[@kartikkumarchoudhury4771]

What an insightful interview.

[@JYOTIPANDA-xj2hv]

Great discussion 👌👌

[@Jigyanshoo]

The judiciary of this country is in ventilator. We need urgent reforms in judiciary. People of this country are getting impatient. If reforms doesn't take place, people will take it to their hands. In the name of delivering justice, the lawyer and judicial system is only making money, making mockery of justice. Jai Hind

[@nishantdas4023]

Amazing personality and really good Interview.

[@baratbushan8230]

Nice Analysis

[@kulbhushankohli9759]

It was pretty informative and info. Was very interesting Thanks

[@sunnyGurung1971]

🙏 to both of you , sir humbly want to point out on rehabilitation of people who commit crimes for their survival , Should also be considered.😊

[@djprabha8801]

excellent interview

[@sainigagan5]

Calm and inspiring

[@ronny383]

Brilliant Discussion 🙏🙏🙏

[@gurjotuberoi]

Top class podcast

[@Sandhyarani_Sawant]

Its just honour to heard him

[@HRHKamal]

Very impressed by Sh Karnal Singh. Great interview.

[@jaivora423]

What an amazing personality. Full respect n gratitude for your service 🙇‍♂️

[@sadanandshivagunde6164]

Informative and interesting. Jai Bharat 🙏

[@englishlearningwithnandita]

Om Sadgati to Mohan Chandra Sharma..... Om my God such an eye opener on such vast variety of topics. Many thanks. Jai Hind

[@balasvsubramaniam-fb5fw]

Hello ! Simta Ji sorry ! I came late entry in your program but I likes the person you are interviewing this Superior Police Officer l am not sure of is rank but l likes the way of his conversation & it's relax way's of his talks is indeed unique & interesting abouts his experience ❤IT Thank's S . Ji ❤ing Your Programs ! From S'PORE 🇸🇬 With❤

[@ranjnagadoo561]

Such jems should always be consulted n heard by Govt so that administrators r aware.

[@balasvsubramaniam-fb5fw]

@@ranjnagadoo561 You are right Sir ! This kind of People's should be well recognise by government & the societies well said Sir !

[@bamar200]

In the Batla house case, I am surprised that the raiding team did not completely surround the house before going knocking on the door and thus allowed some terrorists to escape!

[@livelikeamonk3161]

@bamar200 One should know how these investigations happen. This kind of activity will be a very secretive one. They will not involve big team to surround the building. And Muslim dominated areas are not safe to surround either. They have a unity when it comes to terrorism. The team had to do this without letting others in the community know about it. Only few highly trust worthy people make a team to do this job. There can be information leak if many people are involved. You don’t know who will be compromised person within the department. Only few brave hearts who love their country more than their life make a team. The soldiers and few officers like this gentleman are the once who protect us. And Sonia Gandhi cries for terrorists to get some Muslim vote.

[@RaviChandran-pe7qo]

One of the Best Cop Stories. Loved it. Thanks for bringing this to us.

[@veerapandyan8403]

not a single mention of dcp sanjeev kumar yadav who was the main officer who led the case and movie batla house was based on dcp sanjeev kumar yadav,,,, BJP should know that they cannot rewrite everything,,,

[@aniketlimaye3432]

39:30 In spite of everyone knowing the justice system being broken, the CJI is not willing to accept the Centre`s request to reform the judicial system. Goes to show how one man can obstruct justice in the country.

[@akatokzhimoakatokzhimo9433]

Good job , that was.

[@maamnii]

All podcasts are very good and informative. Suggest you do this in hindi and other languages as well

[@devendrapal2873]

Law an order has really improved in UP. Ten years only male members used to go for study preparation to Allahabad. Now one of cousin sister doing engineering in Meerut. earlier people used to fear girls don't reach home till 8.

[@anup1991]

Good interview

[@kaushikmozinderbaruah6304]

Great one in recent times. Request you to bring someone to discuss the Delhi pollution problem. Need of the hour and a burning (pun int) topic.

[@kiranrao4375]

Everyone says pollution today, let us check numbers, use any search engine, chk (earth atmosphere content). You will get nitogen, oxygen, is co2 missing? Co2 can be found in trace gases, content 0.043% It's responsible for all life on earth.

[@prasantmani3868]

Really inspirational

[@sujanagavirneni3199]

Good insights

[@lipakpapa]

incredible

[@AnilGupta-xq5vm]

Smita ji, Crime in New York - in Jimmy Carter time - came down. Reason 2 decades ago, abortion was allowed in USA thru a court judgment. Earlier, abortion was banned in USA. Lots of unwanted kids were born - unwed mother abandoned child after birth - these kids grew up in camps - hostile environment - went thru child abuse - turned criminals. Once abortion was made legal, lots of these unwanted kids could be aborted. This led to reduction in crime two decades later.

[@nsraju1959]

Should we discuss the modes operandi of investigative agencies on public platforms? Is it not education/ advantage to criminals? Instead we should teach these matters to aspiring/ trainee police as lessons to learn. Jai Hind

[@adityarao8570]

There is always this conflict between transparency and confidentiality. If he is not transparent about the systems, there are chances the common people would never know what really goes on, and we are always kept in the dark. If they are too transparent, then they could risk divulging classified information which could in turn help terrorists. I think we need to strike a balance between the two. On one hand the media and oppostion keep blaming that ED is being used as a weapon by the govt. and on the other hand people say, we dont want to know the internal workings duet to threat to national security.

[@akshsharma6845]

Honestly same thought came to mind as well. Even though I love listening to such discussions and its so interesting and fascinating to know how our agencies functions from these esteemed panelists in all these episodes but at the same time there is this feeling that we should not reveal our modus operandi as it was discussed in one of the previous podcast related to Israel and how we are educating our adversaries as well by propagating or revealing our modus operandi.

[@watanabe00738]

modus operandi of terrorists has changed , hence this are tbp ancient era investigative techniques

[@TruthAlwaysWins]

Many things are discussed off camera which is not revealed to us public, terrorists are working differently, we should work to weaken their roots. I am sure our officers are working on it. No major blasts in cities proves they are curbed before terrorists can act on it.

[@akshsharma6845]

@@TruthAlwaysWins yup no major blast yet but we hear about bomb blast attempts every now and then....Our agencies are doing great job and hopefully we will get better as we r progressing forward...

[@sanjayb0886]

Great interview and insights. Thank you. Question - what are the "Darshans" of Hindu philosophy and are there books you can recommend? Thanks.

[@upadhyayrathiraj1518]

Having worked in similar environment in J&K, can really understand him. Hats off to the officer 💪🫡👏

[@aryavineet1349]

Podcast should have been longer. Got to know so many facts and reality of working on ground level. Government should involve such diversified, talented and experienced officers in effective policy making.

[@sdashtoorkar4125]

Excellent work done by smita prakash🎉🎉🎉. It's a good interview❤❤

[@veerapandyan8403]

not a single mention of dcp sanjeev kumar yadav who was the main officer who led the case and movie batla house was based on dcp sanjeev kumar yadav,,,, BJP should know that they cannot rewrite everything,,,

[@divyanshusingh2145]

​@@veerapandyan8403Your multiple comments won't propagate your propaganda , The citizens of India have learnt the hard way to trust which political setup !

[@veerapandyan8403]

​@@divyanshusingh2145 yes during mughal times the rajputs were shamelessly married to mughals,,, during the british times the brahmins were shamelessly serving the british,,, accept it,,, all this non sense is for elections,,,,,also bjp gifted villages to china,,,,, and agnipath will destroy the backbone of indian military,,,,

[@sanddala2]

Nice!

[@shekarmathur]

Very informative talk. But feel sad about the judiciary system in india. Rapid reforms needs to be initiated.

[@sunilfauji]

Best Officer. All rounder Salute Jai Hind

[@SaraswatiMSarasa-pn7ci]

Iwill all of you going on that every time day by day sir ❤

[@kartikdhagai5632]

God bless you

[@pb-jl4gi]

Smita, great interviews . But I was absolutely shocked for you to brand the 'Bull Dozing' as 'Extra Judicial' . Based on previous interview with Yogi in your podcast, a lot of these properties were already identified as having been illegal and the UP police has already received permissions for removal of such illegal structures. When any riots and violent incidents happen , these 'approved legal judgements' from courts are implemented . Also from my understanding , only 35 % belongs to specific minority communities but you only talk of such cases, giving a completely communal angle when it is not the truth. If these are extra judicial , how many times have the Courts reprimanded the Yogi Govt for such measures ?

[@jaypandya1154]

I'm a big fan of yours. Please bring C K Raju on your podcast 🙏

[@shwetavikassalunkhe4373]

Ple mention the time for the program on tv

[@shwetavikassalunkhe4373]

Ple replay

[@mayankdesai6775]

Par excellent smitamadame

[@santomenon3689]

If there is one area in the world wherein Artificial Intelligence has to be applied is Indian Courts. Its simply painstaking. Implement Generative AI and speedy trials out in the courts.

[@allbritecarcare]

Smita ji, I think you should be very careful about saying that it was intelligent failure by Israel. It was not a failure because it was an invasion. Thank you Karnal Singh sir for providing an excellent service as ED director. 🙏

[@Petercharlie303]

not only paramilitary and Army, we people who work in other states in private sector in india too need the option of voting remotely.

[@surendrabarsode8959]

1. Lots of details about modus operandi of investigation are being away by the Karnal Singh ji. It may sound very interesting to hear but it may not suitable for public discussion. 2. The impression one gets is that Police in India are totally helpless and have to work against all sorts of odds! If this is the story of Special Cell of Delhi Police, then one can imagine how compromised our Police could be at other places. 3. Role of media in creating troubles and doing motivated reporting is well known. We must find a way to deal with this anti national media. 4. Role of judiciary also makes a sad reading. 5. Some of his replies are wishy washy like why extradition does not take place from UK?

[@Noni1975]

Hopefully opposition parties will watch this video & feel some shame

[@alagesansenniappan4987]

Hi madam loved this show … can u help us to suggest some book which a normal person like me can read on our rights

[@subhashzadoo]

ॐनमःशिवायः! There is no denying of the fact that without a strong police,Fire Brigade&Disaster Management base a nation’s social existence in heavily populated city/town is limited.Their need comes up during accident period/difficult situations. Mahadev Bless our Veer/+angna! JAI BHARAT! JAI VAASUDEV KUTAMBUKAM!