Ep. 14: Benjamin Tucker and the Individualist Anarchists (with David D'Amato)

[@jbscornerstore]

Excellent discussion, thanks for posting.

[@sirmount2636]

This was a great discussion. It was comprehensive yet very easy to understand. Thank you for it!

[@LongDefiant]

20:10 this question about profits shows a fundamental misunderstanding about what profits are. Profits are only realized by capitalists/owners/non-laborers. If an artist sells a painting for more than the cost of materials the extra money is in compensation for his labor. Individuals cannot receive a "profit" from of their own labor, they can only be compensated.

[@PrairieSundog]

a socialist misunderstanding economics? shocking

[@MutualistSoc]

You do realize workers can also sale a product for more than the labor put in using the metrics of pricing power and margin too right? Under your situation. A person that owns a individually owned and operated company makes no profit because they were the ones committing the labor themselves.

[@LongDefiant]

@@MutualistSoc Workers of jobs don't control prices under capitalism.

[@MutualistSoc]

@@LongDefiant That's right. Under Free Market Socialism they do.

[@DrexisEbon]

Yeah the presence of economic control is definitely oppressive, but so is property ownership - it's self imposed, but it's still still work to own things so long as that ownership is self enforced.

[@LongDefiant]

Capitalism requires a large violent state. Capitalism is based on coercion and state violence.

[@GarryKasparov12]

Anarchocapitalists would reject that. It's just one more step than individual anarchism

[@amielgarcia3784]

Communism/socialism and government interlinked and interconnected with each other

[@daymanfighterofthenightman]

@@GarryKasparov12 Anarcho Capitalists are not Anarchists, certainly not individualist Anarchists.

[@nickeyg1]

In tuckers day, liberatarianism was a sub-category of socialism. Reference the rothbart quote where he brags about capturing this word from thier enemies.

[@soundphilosophy]

The issue is specifically that a personal share of air, land & water should be considered a free birthright of all humans; that's common sense ethics modern day libertarians can't seem to process or verbalize, which is bizarre. It's simply applying the NAP toward pre-existing natural resources needed for survival.

[@90sRaveComments]

banger

[@IanJAGreen]

Got thirty seconds in and the nonsense starts 😂😂😂

[@AndersHass]

Many libertarians do view problems with state and businesses colluding and do say that free markets would help the poor and all the other stuff so I don't see his critique really? Maybe in the more mainstream classical liberals perhaps.

[@James-rv3yh]

When prodded most right-libertarians will grudgingly admit that the present system is not a free market. But as soon as they think they can get away with it, they go back defending capitalist plutocracy and state-business collusion using free market rhetoric a.k.a. "vulgar libertarianism".

[@ChrisYourDad]

Which Ancap defends state-business collusion?

[@James-rv3yh]

I've yet to encounter an ancap who doesn't defend state-business collusion. These types dance around conflating the current corporate system with capitalism one minute (muh capitalism made your iphone) to distinguishing between them the next (muh crony capitalsim) when it suits their ideology.

[@GarryKasparov12]

The funny thing is that socialism originated from classical liberalism

[@AndersHass]

@@GarryKasparov12 at least the labor theory of value came from Adam Smith which is what Karl Marx based his work on, I dunno if you meant anything else than that by your statement.

[@nickeyg1]

Yall need to step back and go read about socialism a bit. It sounds like these guys literally do not know what socialism is. They think its just what soviet russia did. At risk of just sounding ugly, these guys are way behind in thier understanding political philosophy. They dont know shit.

[@austinlowell8829]

Who is gonna tell em that tucker wasn’t a socialist. He was an individualist anarchist… couldn’t get past the socialism babble at the beginning

[@alicec1533]

In his own words, he was a socialist.