Ep 14 : Magma power and water filtration : Oxygen not included Spaced out

[@jazzochannel]

I'm one of the duplicants who worked on this project. Some of the brine was actually our tears. We were paid in SALT on this job.

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

Right Aqua tuner super coolant pipe is stagnant. It’s filled up one extra packet I think. Omg that mod is a god sent blessing.. finally you can do proper automations in pressurized environments 😎 such a useful mod. Why doesn’t Klei allow that? There was a proper reason.. I forget.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Doh, I left the filler bridge on. I should have removed that before I activated the aquatuner. I will have to remove a bead from that loop. Thanks for the spot.

[@TheMule71]

@@FrancisJohnYT You can prevent that (if you forget to remove the bridge that feeds the loop) by using two bridges in the main loop. Best illustration of the technique I know of is here: www.reddit.com/r/Oxygennotincluded/comments/gdk3h8/how_to_plumb_your_aquatuner/

[@williamhess180]

definitely will use that geothermal filtration idea. now I just have to find out how far I have to dig under my kitchen before I hit magma. I'm sure my wife wont mind.😊

[@meetalleeka]

Thank you for another wonderful episode. Watching these takes me away to that special place. It's like zen for me...or crack. Either one's fine. 😁

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I have not achieved either state yet, but the rocket chimney got me pretty close.

[@fahrimertdincer8421]

How is Roket chimney going

[@realityextractor1956]

FYI, as of Feb 2023 the door trick doesn't appear to work anymore, as in, can't built through a closed door anymore. The other thing is that the aquatuners can't cool the turbines, so there must have been some change since the video was made. I am currently only running two turbines and they instantly overhead into the "turbine too hot" 130+ C range. Aquatuner can't cool em down. Incoming oil into tuner is 116 or so, output is still above 100. Will let it run a few cycles and see if it's get better but right now it doesn't look good.

[@lazermaniac]

Your method of building the heatspike is fine by me - it reminds me of the processes used in constructing shallow underwater structures such as bridge supports, where a wall is sunk and drained. The airlocks could be considered as something like hydraulic reinforcements for the diamond walls of the shaft while they are being built.

[@carciller]

IDEA! - Instead of expanding the heatspike to the sides, get a mining drill to mine out the solid magma on the sides so new hot lava can move to the spike instead. Not sure how the cooling of the drill and the drill range limit problems can be fixed, but i like the idea and it would automate the project. As always thanks for the video, i really love your super water purifier.

[@mowinckel10]

Yes! Perfect! Going to have a good half an hour with a cup of tea and Francis

[@matteocdt5214]

some guy on youtube had your same RAM shortage problem. but the mad lad decided to tile out THE WHOLE MAP. then he built a insane plastic plant because he didn't had enough minerals to tile out everything, and so he decided to use plastic tiles

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Filling the map with tiles works, takes a long time though.

[@tetrikitty1686]

If you use a heat exchanger to heat up the incoming mixed water and cool down the outgoing boiled water at the same time, you can get power *and* filtration while using less heat from the magma core.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I want to drain the heat out of the core, by end game I want to have it all mined out. Will have to desalinate our water a different way then but it should still take a long time to drain the core.

[@Firebuck]

Cool design. Easy enough to find YT videos on real world geothermal and liquid air batteries... this is geothermal with an airy liquid battery. Brilliant!

[@lithandriel]

I built a smaller version of this for pure power last yesterday. It's awesome! Thank you so much for the content you create. It's so incredibly helpful!

[@Vogelgangg]

Hold up, Magma Power? you can do that? thank you francis for the great videos :)

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

“You can do that?” Welcome to ONI friend :)

[@Vogelgangg]

@Andrew Renzema Was not thinking Steam turbine lol Also your not wrong i've not gotten far in oni :(

[@mrShift_0044]

You can tecnically draw out power from ANYTHING remotely hot in this game and magma is VERY hot.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Welcome to ONI, this is really only the tip of the iceberg of stuff you can do, have fun discovering it all.

[@Vogelgangg]

@@FrancisJohnYT i shall

[@larrylindgren9484]

I love how he'll exploit just about everything. But doesn't build powerless water storage compression. He draws the line on the only exploit he will not cross. But every other exploit is find and dandy. He does make me chuckle. He'll fill the whole map with water he doesn't need. So he can make power he doesn't need. Because he builds transit tubes he doesn't need. Mr Over Build strikes again. Great watch as always.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I can't help myself, once I start something I have to see it through.

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

Finally Francis playing risky 😁 Enjoy your content so much. Your girlfriend is right, KZbin does not pay you enough. You wanna take a bite out of infinite frozen water storage? 😅 that was the last build I was doing when out of nowhere Klei announced the expansion and well.. that project went bust.

[@mrShift_0044]

i... think he did that in some older series?? i'm not sure though. He definitely frozen gasses to the point of just trowing them up into solid piles, and he once replaced all the magma with ice on one play trough, so maybe i'm mixing something.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Closest I came to frozen water storage was a cryo industrial brick, it froze everything except hydrogen. A great way to dispose of unwanted liquids and gases.

[@apgamer4053]

4:34 herm you dont say its almost like falling into a volcano would be fatal XD

[@qrofeus]

Love your videos 20:10 About the gases disappearing... That only happens when the gas is below 5 MicroGrams(mcg) Milligrams won't disappear

[@mirjanbouma]

Good to know! Thanks

[@jtn2002]

Ah yes, that big water filtration idea is being implemented. May wish to put in some shipping rails to take out the dirt/salt from the heating plate and maybe "smooth" the right side wall of the map as it loves to trap things over on the neutronium. My own bases I do love the idea of a solid column of liquid storage going to the top of the map!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

For now we have plenty of dirt, not really bothered shipping out all the junk in there. Maybe later. Wonder how tall we can get the water tank.

[@jtn2002]

@@FrancisJohnYT take it to the border of space, putting in the needed drywall. Eventually expand it down into the magma biome after you … do something over the top with it! :)

[@jAfr0Thunder86]

Very nice. I did not know about the Heat spike method until here. I just recently started tackling geothermal via magma biome and I used the mini spike method with steel plates used by Nathan's Sandbox. I think the steel is stealing quite a lot of heat from that system. it's fine though, I'll use this method on my next play through. I also used a mini starter asteroid, to have an easier time of it, and that magma biome is much smaller

[@shadowofalegend8316]

One thing I would suggest for your water purifier: make sure to have a liquid lock to do any servicing because things can break or maybe you might need to make updates and it comes from messes I made when I did mine feeding it magma from several volcanos as my heat source

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The liquid lock is still there for now though I have removed door access for dupes. Lets hope this filtration remains stable.

[@shadowofalegend8316]

@@FrancisJohnYT I seen towards the end but expect breaks but it's very efficient in extracting water out of polluted and salt water and might make for an interesting project if you plan on using magma from your minor volcanos for future purifying

[@2009samiy]

Brothgar : This Was not Planned Jhon : This Was Not Planned Me and the Folks : Mhm Mhm

[@FrancisJohnYT]

If I planned that one I would have left room for the fourth turbine in the top left. But it works out OK in the end. Its really just a modified version of the nuclear reactor setup.

[@lionllew6601]

I watched the video where you found that mechanic while looking for a geothermal petroleum boiler design. Good design. I hope they don't nerf this mechanic because it's handy and I don't see it as a bug.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It does feel a bit easy but I don't mind. It's not going to stop us making heat spikes, just make it more tedious.

[@WastedPotential17]

I really love that outro music.

[@jasonrahm9489]

I think it is from Klei's other game, Dont Starve. I could be wrong, it has been a long time since I played it. Another really good but difficult game

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I found it in KZbins copyright free music, it just felt like something appropriate to the dupes. I get a bit of a nightmare before Christmas vibe from it.

[@jasonrahm9489]

@@FrancisJohnYT Really good choice man. I was watching some of your old vids recently for the first time and was disappointed the music was different. Love your channel, right down to Mount & Blade!

[@salemprompthous3820]

Love clean-up videos. Gotten a lot of great tips from them, but this geo-thermal filtration-system is probably the most enticing to try out. Others have been "hot-wiring" (excuse the pun) the Nuclear setup, or just throwing power and filtration buildings at it. I imagine this is why FJ chose geo, either that, or it's been too long since he last utilized all that core-heat for something 🤔 Keep it up @Francis John ❤

[@FrancisJohnYT]

We needed more power and geo thermal looked like a fun choice, but being able to combine filtration and cleaning up our mixed water tanks at the same time made the choice irresistible.

[@salemprompthous3820]

@@FrancisJohnYT I love it. Might have to shut down Rimworld a bit, and go play around with this in ONI instead 😍

[@S_Black]

Why did you suddenly have a line of supercoolant below the left turbines after the time lapse?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I spilled some and it ended up falling down their. Good thing we walled in the bottom of the area or it would have come in contact with the heat spike.

[@Neyar]

One word of caution: I did a similar geo thermal desalinator on my last map, and had issues with the stream pressure being too low. Granted, I only fed in salt water and had a single pipe feed, but the issue was that with pure salt water input I was losing a tiny bit of mass to salt with each packet. But since the steam turbines always pulled 10kg of fresh water out, and I was putting in a few grams of salt shy of that as input, my system would lower the steam pressure too far, and then inject waaay too much heat in the instant the doors closed. So the system failed until I forced the steam pressure above a certain threshold by rerouting the fresh output via automation. Your system isn't running 100% (yet) so it might not have this issue, but it still could happen once you start purifying full time, if you end up with 30kg or less input for some reason.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I am keeping the pressure really really high at 900kg+ for exactly that reason. It's why we are using the atmo sensor mod. Additionally we can only take out 30kg/s but we can potentially input 40kg/s. I am feeling pretty safe, but we do have access back in if something breaks.

[@FerrybigGaming]

For the heat spike, fill it super coolant/phosphorus/ something else high temperature The super coolant will evaporate at the bottom, go to the top, and quickly turning into liquid once it is cold enough. This gives an high thermal conductivity

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I want to be able to get back inside it and expand it from the inside, we can't do that if the temp is above 750C. Vacuum for the win.

[@reforgedcriterion1471]

This is crazy.. I have played this game for a couple years now off and on, thousands of hours and I haven't made anything this grand ever.. Nor have I sent up a rocket on the original game. I always get locked into a death spiral at some point and restart the game. (I just counted, I have 81 different colony attempts) I really just need to sit down and watch more videos like this! Also I need to learn to demolish old systems and remake my entire base as I go.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The key is to figure out how to fix something permanently. I mean if you set up a SPOM and hook it up to a renewable water source and some cooling for the O2 the means you never have to look at that again unless you hire more dupes than it can support. Always be trying to fix things before they run out. At some point you will run out of things that need to be fixed. Then you can start making stupid large fun projects for no reason.

[@justthelord4418]

Thanks Francis! Keep the good work up!

[@SpiritofrockinKids]

Having all the clean water free-floating in a tank is great, but would storing it in reservoirs be better for your cpu I wonder. If the rocket gas containers are so space efficient, would the could the same be said for the rocket liquid containers in comparison to the regular ones? It’s late rn so I can’t do the math immediately.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You could cram it into rockets or infinite storage, but their is something to be said for having a gigantic water tank. Much easier to know how much you have at a glance.

[@TheRainfall09]

water purifier and water tower! radiation power brick! food included! so much thing!

[@boast03]

Hy Francis, you no longer need liquid shutoffs to stop the waterflow, you can automate the exit and shut it as well. Great episode!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

If we close the exit then their will be a bead of water left behind the vent, if/when it boils it will damage the pipe. Need to stop the water outside the steam room.

[@boast03]

@@FrancisJohnYT you are absolutely right and I would have made a small mess in my steam room 🤦

[@basstwiggin]

Love it! Last can and some choice munch, just in time 💜

[@juliuscasipit9791]

I thought you were going to use your nuclear reactor setup to filter the liquids. Why not setup a sweeper and conveyor loader to sweep up the hot plate ? does salt have more uses ? (I just know it's used to table salt to boost morale) use some of the steam for sauna? hot water from turbines for hot tubs? I think your Dupes have worked hard to earn some increased QoL 😉

Rust deoxidizers use rust and salt. And the table salt manufacturing process also produces lots of sand. Often quite useful, too.

[@khkpck]

u can make tablesalt in the orecrusher or u can use salt for a saltgas reactor(infinite energy)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I was never really sold on table salt, it's only a +1 moral for a lot of time and effort. I'll start smashing the stuff up later when we have taken care of most of the big projects.

[@sober667]

Ive learned if i use steam turbines in gass i put 20k of hydrogen per tile a bit better - and works decendly well with self cooling turbines for volcanos too

[@isaacsanchezsancho2306]

You can exchange the temp within 95 clean water and 30 polluted and salt water. It's more efficient.

[@thomas15vv]

You didn't need a mod. You can set a second vent down and place a pipe element sensor. When the top vent is blocking the water will try to go down to the down vent. But that one should also be blocked. So the water stands still in the pipe allowing you to detect that the system is over pressurized. Only downside is that it only detects if the system is blocked you can't really prevent it.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I toyed with that idea but decided against it in the end. The issue I ran into was which pipe do you monitor? If you monitor all four that gets really tricky. Another option was to just have the vents in a thin layer of petroleum for the overpressure trick but that felt wrong.

[@Grothgerek]

Ah yes, building diamond tiles into magma... because its not like diamonds can burn.

[@Ekrvin]

you could also use rocket liquid storage tanks with theirs ungodly amount of storage potential

[@mrShift_0044]

It's kinda cheaty, tho

[@JohnSmith-eu2dt]

@@mrShift_0044 If the game allows it...

[@aaronkellogg1991]

Hi @francis john! One quick question. Why not use cobalt metal tiles for your hot plate above the doors? Better TC than diamond, shouldn’t have to worry about hitting the melting point, and easily renewable resource with the cobalt volcano. Same question for the tiles and temperature shift plates for the cool steam vents?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Did not even consider that, will have to use it in the new cool steam vent tamers. Would not use it for the hot plate though. It's almost impossible we could replace it right now. Before that their is always the chance to melt it so I would just stick with the diamond. But considering how renewable it is we are going to have to take advantage of it. Same with the Aluminium.

[@aaronkellogg1991]

@@FrancisJohnYT thank you for the info! I love watching your videos as I always learn something. You always make me feel like I over build though. For both the nuclear reactor and the geothermal I would have made the steam tunnels 3 blocks high and added temperature shift plates down the middle block but I guess it’s not necessary.

[@DroCaMk3]

With that giant water tank right on top of the steam room, I wondered if it would be possible to go for a timed door setup instead of pumps and drop in some more water once steam pressure gets low?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I considered it but decided against. No way to ensure steam does not escape. Well you could but it would take so many doors.

[@karlbaum1686]

Always great to see your builds! But one question do we get another Base Lovin? Its the best series you ever made!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I have to do more base lovin, I just end up dumping all my free time into more playing. I stated to do an episode today and ended up spending the whole day building a water tank and re doing my plumbing. In my defence it's a huge water tank.

[@karlbaum1686]

@@FrancisJohnYT I know the problem. There is always something to improve in your base. Just keep up the good content and I hope for a new base lovin episode!

[@sam11182]

You can have an automatic dispenser in the ice biome and place infinite ice cubes from all the water

[@jozkomikulas4472]

I hope you make also some crazy projects as regolith or rust melter or just sth. with piped magma involved

[@mrShift_0044]

He already done these kind of projects and he does not really need it on this map. But maybe if he wants to...

[@jeremyb8112]

i did the steam turbine build using petroleum for coolant... it looked like such a fun build i wanted to rush it without the space materials... broke down after one cycle XD

[@alexbouwman1926]

Have just found the change to game mechanics Berys mentioned below myself, to my great chagrin and a whole afternoon wasted trying to work out why my dupes wouldn't build the next door down... Would appreciate any suggestions from Francis on up to date mechanics for building magma heat spikes :)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Last I heard the easiest method was to build a Rover's Module, the rocket things. Then drop the rover on the planet you want to build the magma spike on. The rover can walk in the magma to build the spike for you. Make sure the rover is built from steel or it will melt in the magma after a while. Door off the area and only let the rover in. If you are to early in the tech for a rover you might have to use doors to crush the magma as you go down, destroy as little magma as you can while doing it of course.

[@DrRetardo8600]

Excellent episode, as always :)

[@rixistress]

Thought the end of the world was coming... Longest ever monday in my entire life... Dont do that again Mr. John Hasta la vista!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Sorry about that, should have had it out earlier. The game is not liking the speed mod and everything is taking a lot more time.

[@rixistress]

@@FrancisJohnYT hahaha No worries!! I´m surprised that your PC hasn´t melted down already!!! xDD

[@slash_estio]

YES, a new episode!

[@clubsandwich559]

I really need to get to bed but I just saw this notification. Sleep can wait.

[@Twisted4AGZE]

Autosweeper to grab all the salt and dirt? Looks like there is room on the left wall across from the miner.

[@mrShift_0044]

If you want it, then okay, but if you gonna do that, then there is cooling needed and all sorts of complications, so screw it.

[@riothamus84]

Theres one littel blob of PWater in the neutronium on the right wall of your new water tank. You may want to place a tile to delete that before you fill it and wonder where one silly tile of PWater came from.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Will have to check but that does not seem possible. That room is a vacuum. It might be a blob of crude oil? their was a couple of slicksters living in there.

[@riothamus84]

@@FrancisJohnYT In the upper section that you are still pulling the water from. not in the lower vacuum.

[@riothamus84]

@@FrancisJohnYT ​ Above the second row of ladders, going upwards from the upper pool. You can see it at the 28:00 minute mark.

[@Tamizushi]

How about adding in a bunch of steel natural gas generators in there just to improve your power potential even more? Their pwater will instantly get purified and you can just dump the CO2 in space or in the oil biome for slicksters to eat.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm not sure we need any more power but if we did I don't think we have enough space in that section. Maybe later we can expand the boiler room and fit in a few more things if we need to.

[@luckydays6054]

That Magma got cool and become solid, now i get no power 😅. I have to delete my world and start new one, no one warn me damnit. So.......head up to any new player like me.

[@LazyLifeIFreak]

The Pliers mod was updated.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'll have to add it back in. Was a bit of a refresher how much more planning you need when you are living without it.

[@phookadude]

Since the nuclear waste ejects itself on occasion couldn't you just put super coolant in your system that replaces the ejected nuclear waste and then the system would naturally fill with super coolant after a while?

[@alterist64]

I have an idea, how about filling this entire planet with clean water? i think if you added a few more ways of producing water (like turning trees into ethanol or burning natural gas) it might be feasible.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Very possible this map is full of water vents. I'll flood the right side of the map first and see how long that takes.

[@eventprogenitor1873]

Did you move or evolve the slickster in your new water tank? It has CO2 so it can make oil and if it becomes meat that can off gas too.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I moved the egg it dropped so it's won't reproduce. Well my dupes dropped the egg into the magma so it's definitely won't reproduce. So I'll have to evolve it before I seal the tank, but for now it can live out a few more cycles until we need to close that up.

[@jacob6885]

That's a really neat way to filter the water. However, novice question, aren't you going to want the the brine for crabs and crops?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm not aware of any crops that need salt water or Brine. Lettuce does need to have a layer of the stuff on them but that is not consumed. As for the crabs they don't need the water, you can dry ranch them if you want.

[@yamashgm]

I've never used them, but have you considered using jet packs? Can dupes perform task while flying? Could they just fly out of the magma id they got trapped? I should probably test these things.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Jet packs allow you to fly and work at the same time, but you can't use them in a vacuum. Well that's not quite right, they work in a vacuum but they give off lots of CO2 and you no longer have a vacuum. Causes hot complications working with magma.

[@yamashgm]

@@FrancisJohnYT Dang, that sucks because I can't think of a good use for them otherwise.

[@Scott_Burton]

Such a mammoth project to have hot water for tea time. Are you inviting an entire country over?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

A man can dream

[@Glorfindel92]

-There's a one solution for biome pollution. -YOU

[@PeteRomaniuk]

So many questions. How do the turbines not overheat in a vacuum. How is there no water output on some of the turbines? How do the other turbines not jam from full pipes?

[@rotony1]

I was trying to make a steam turbine/heat combo to clean the water, your ideea is a lot better.

[@tuesdae666]

This is amazing... You could do this professionally.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Water filtration or youtube? :)

[@tuesdae666]

@@FrancisJohnYT City planning.

[@phonixzero]

Over 1000 cycles and no petroleum boiler?! ;)

[@problame2249]

Could wall in the magma biome starting at the edges of the map to keep moving the outer magma into the heat spike as the central magma solidifies, too.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That would be a lot of diagonal building. Not saying it's not possible but it would be incredibly time consuming to achieve.

[@Gargamel4530]

Thanks, nice work! May i suggest : instead of the no limit sensors mod for the water pressure problem, why not pump in water only when the turbines are on ? With a little bit of math (and maybe a timer sensor), you can probably make sure that the right amount of water is added when the turbines are on

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Oh that is pretty tricky, something the pumps only pull a small packet of polluted or salty water. That makes it impossible to predict input on a per second basis. We could use liquid buffer tanks or filters, but I figured this made things a lot neater and far more straight forward to explain what we are doing.

[@yaemz123]

The brine, salt water, and polluted water all produce different amounts of steam when boiled, while the turbines pull an exact amount, so without massive amounts of automation wiring, you can't do an input=output setup.

[@Gargamel4530]

@@yaemz123 I think it's possible, still. For example, you could add the output water of the turbines to packets of exactly 10kg, then detect when they pass the pipes with a pipe sensor that activates the input water (if coming from a specific geyser) for an amount of time equals to the ratio of effective steam added vs 10kg ouput (or its nearest integer, if you know what i mean, kinda hard to explain). I know it would add a bit of automation and tweaking, which is not the point of the video. But, my point is, it is possible to do it without the mod, that are often the cause of game crashes (for my low spec at least).

[@yaemz123]

@@Gargamel4530 if I understand your proposed solution, the problem still stands. If you allow a 10kg packet of input liquid to replace each 10kg packet of output water, you will lose steam pressure over time. This is because 10kg of polluted water, salt water, or brine will not produce 10kg of steam due to part of the mass turning into dirt or salt.

[@Gargamel4530]

@@yaemz123 Yes, i know this. I didnt want to, but my previous comment wasnt obvious enough. Lets do the math. According to the wiki, 10kg of ph2o = 9.9kg h2o (steam) + 0.1kg of dirt. Wich means that, every 100 packets or so of 10kg output water, you need to add two packets of 10kg ph2o instead of one. Or, if you dont want to count to 100, you can detect the output dirt on the rail and deduce the missing steam from the amount of dirt/sand comming out. I wont argue anymore on this problem. But thats why oni is so great, for every problem there is about a billion solutions

[@ericab3919]

Why did you put the aquatuners at the center next to the magma? Wouldn't they be safer way out towards the edges?

[@mirjanbouma]

I was thinking that too, right on top of the hottest part of the build seems unwise

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It's to do with cooling and an even gradient of temperature. All the water drops in the centre where all the heat producers are along with the temperature sensor. Set the temp to 180C and the whole boiler with end up at that temp. Now imagine you change the temp to 170C, slowly the centre will cool to 170C and then as the 180C steam is removed via steam turbines the 170C steam will slowly take it's place until everything is 170C Now imagine a aquatuner at the end of one of the tunnel area's, the boiler is set to 180C so it is surrounded in 180C steam. But the aquatuner turns on and dumps heat into the steam driving up the temperature. Maybe only 14C, maybe more, maybe less. It depends on a bunch of factors. But it is not possible to control accurately. By putting all your heat producers in one place you can direct all your cooling their to and get a nice even temp. Otherwise you need to put temp shift plates everywhere to even the temp and that is way more work. The nuclear reactor is designed on the same principle as this boiler, all the heat and cooling go to the same spot.

[@mirjanbouma]

@@FrancisJohnYT that makes sense!

[@arthurdurbin370]

hmm that power wire thru the steel power and into the steam room might be stealing some power from that steam battery. idk if its really an issue

[@Generalizedfeelings]

Left aqua tuner is missing a blob of super coolant.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Actually that missing blob is necessary. When the aquatuner switches off that space will be filled. The right side loop does not have that space and when the aquatner switches off the whole loop stops moving. Will have to drain a blob from it.

[@Generalizedfeelings]

@@FrancisJohnYT Ah! Wasn't aware of that.

[@r2dezki]

could you combine your power usage indicator which you built last time to make it so that the lower side would show power availability or something?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Now sure how to do that, the game considers solar and steam turbine to be max power all the time. It does not account for anything else.

[@jensjensen7504]

Why not pump the magma instead? with the heat spike, you will regardless of how deep it is, and up with an area of effect.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I want to solidify the magma biome and then dig it all up later. This might take a while but should be possible.

[@jensjensen7504]

@@FrancisJohnYT Ahh i see... I thought you wanted to harvest the thermal power :)

[@bagel5085]

what is that line of super coolant on the lower left of the aquatuners for?

[@mirjanbouma]

When he had to get back in he spilled some, and he can't mop it up because that "room" is only one tile high. So he closed it up.

[@dunning-kruger551]

Love it!

[@cool-hk2js]

If you want a better power storage and i see you using rocket gas tanks the rocket batteries store 100kj no heat production and minimal power loss

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Power storage is not a big issue, the only reason I use the gas tanks is 150kg is just to tiny for gas storage.

[@evilmonkeyshineful]

Was there zombie spores in that gas?!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Maybe a few, but so long as it's not in some form of O2 that dupes can breath in then it's not dangerous.

[@sleve2979]

Damn, I did the same same thing on my main asteroid ( the small one with cobalt), but with multiple heat spikes and the steam turbines covering all the magma biome, sadly when I turn it on I lose so many ips that I can't play anymore :x. Btw I had one dupe fall to the bottom of the magma in atmo suit and with a yellow alert lader build command he managed to get out alive, he was building from the bottom with obsidian and a other dupe building from the top with a space between each lader. Edit: sorry if there is a lot of mistakes, english is not my main language

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Can't believe you managed to save the dupe, I bet that was an intense few minutes :) I kept my boiler nice and small, it gets the job done. Plus we need to leave some room for more projects later on.

[@sleve2979]

@@FrancisJohnYThaha yes I could not believe it myself, when I saw the magma melt that igneous rock ladder where the dupe was standing I paused the game immediatly then started the building order before him being half way down the magma pool, I think that's what saved him. Forgot to mention that I love your ONI videos, I started watching them a year or two ago and purchased the game because of it, keep them going and good luck :p

[@lonelyPorterCH]

Thats a lot of power^^

[@OniZai]

Hmmmmm wouldn't it be more correct to say its a jumbo size water distillation? Regardless, this is crazy but sound lol

[@ariedge2435]

no... i do not trust you when you said "trust me"... joke aside... keep up the good video.... very nice work there....

[@richard2mitchell]

can you pick a world and make it 100% clean?...no gas no liquids no natural tiles (unless they are needed)....you have o2 in there bases.. but for the most of the map have it open to the sky!

[@turtlememes2334]

for sure, it just takes a while to clean out the magma biome and neutronium is invincible

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I suppose you could take an asteroid and dig everything out and ship it off world. But you would still be left with the rocket launch pad and any vents and geysers on the asteroid.

[@commonsense-og1gz]

Francis, how are you able to cool all those turbines with super coolant? I couldn’t keep 4 turbines cool with super coolant, when I was in sandbox mode, At least in the base game.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Have not checked the math in a while but even with water you can keep 6 turbines cool. The way it works is the steam turbine top emits heat equal to 10% of the heat destroyed by the turbine. So imagine 5 turbines eating 200C steam and spitting out 95C water. Between the 5 of them they are destroying 105C of temp across 10kg of Water/Steam. 10% of that is = 10.5C of heat for 10kg. An aquatuner cools the 10kg of liquid passing through it by 14C so one aquatuner can keep up with the 5 turbines easily. However if it's not working for you check a few things, are you using water or super coolant in the aquatuner? Are you cooling down steam hotter than 200C? Remember it's 10% of the destroyed heat so if you feed them 400C steam that is a temp difference of 305C which is a lot more heat to destroy.

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@FrancisJohnYT i used super coolant for both the piped coolant, and for the layer that sat on the turbines. i went as far as using thermium turbines and pipes as well. i did max out the power output for the turbines, but i can't remember what the temperature was. i believe that the temperature may have been at 204 C. i only built it because i needed a simple power solution while experimenting with sour gas boilers.

[@grandfremdling3841]

Fine 👍👍👍

[@TheKlink]

i enjoyed very much.

[@mrkolkent686]

frozen magma adheres to the glass block. What to do now when the lava cools down?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It takes several hundred cycles for the magma to start to get to cold. In this instance I started importing magma from the fire planet and use that magma to keep fuelling the boiler.

[@techrama9642]

Why liquid shut off required if we can shut off liquid vent??

[@clubsandwich559]

How are some of your steam turbines facing the other way? Is there a rotate option for them?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Steam turbines can be rotated like any other building, aquatuners as well.

[@unijabnx2000]

what pc do you have? What FPS are you getting ?

[@redleicestercheesemobile]

Have you ever put the magma biome into an infinite liquid storage

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Never really used the infinite liquid or gas storage trick, I prefer to pay the storage cost. Plus it looks way cooler to have giant storage tanks of liquid.

[@redleicestercheesemobile]

@@FrancisJohnYT I have once and it took thousands of cycles

[@berys4331]

Has the building through doors thing been patched out recently? Was trying to build my own spike but they kept saying "Unreachable Build" on the new doors.

[@Cheg78]

Confirmed. Started another colony a few days ago and you cannot build through airlocks anymore.

[@yrellacontraublin1336]

Isn’t pouring the clean water into a magma filtration system system a waste of energy?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Well yes.... but for now it's not a big deal. That magma biome can eat a lot of cycles of us doing this. Their is a crazy amount of heat potential in a magma biome. kzbin.info/www/bejne/on2sgWCKpdJqY80

[@yrellacontraublin1336]

@@FrancisJohnYT Yeah Absolutely! If you ever open submissions for DLC Baselovin I've got this interplanetary magma piping system using the launchers I think you'd love! That's gotta be my favorite series on youtube. Anyways that magma is precious!!! Stay amazing :)

[@tobyaubron5298]

Not really related to this video, but how are you managing your food for the stone hatches? I've been following this playthrough and I've already run out of stuff to feed the hatches at cycle 650 :((

[@eugeokun2242]

You can turn magma into igneous rock and cool it down to feed hatches.

[@tobyaubron5298]

@@eugeokun2242 Yeah I know that but isn't he still making bbq in the video? He's probably feeding his dupes pepper bread but I just wanna know how he's managing his ranches. Probably should take a look into his save :p

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I cut back on the ranches a long time back. I am only running 2 ranches, one stone hatch and one regular hatch. The regular are munching on Sedimentary and the stone are on Granite. Also have cored our most of the map so it provided a lot of stone.

[@tobyaubron5298]

@@FrancisJohnYT Omg it's Francis himself :):):):):):) gotta switch to sleet wheat :) thank you

[@R4d6]

Can't you just turn off the vent themselves instead of the automated valve?

[@geokrug]

Totally could, but that would leave a bead of water sitting right behind the vent which may eventually soak up enough of the surrounding heat to boil and burst the pipe. The way he's done it, the valve will shut off and the pipe after the valve (including the vent) will empty out.

[@robaus23]

The water would boil in the pipe when the vent is closed (I think)

[@prototype21]

Worried about game performance? Drill into magma and add 16 steam turbines may not help.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You have a point, I just wanted to boil some water.

[@user-or1lu3ku3m]

Why do large liquid locks instead of stacking petroleum and crude?

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

You can do both methods. Personally both work well for me. But I guess having one type of liquid lock looks nicer idk 😅

[@user-or1lu3ku3m]

@Andrew Renzema Once you get the method down it's just as easy as doing a large one, I put them side by side with a door in the middle at the exits to my base to seal it both from thermals and atmosphere. The trick is to mop 2 tiles away instead of right next to your blob since mopping catches the liquid on both sides of the mop command

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I have always ended up with them breaking eventually. The only ones that truly lasted were the V locks and visco gel. Maybe they have patched them to be more stable but I have tried to stick with the most stable type.

[@guillaumedupuy7552]

Amazing as always ! What's the purpose of the 1 tile tank of super coolant (I think, not entirely sure) on the bottom left ?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That was a spill mistake during the muted bit. Little bit of supercoolant ended up at the bottom of ladder system. To think, if the tile at the bottom was not there, that supercoolant would have reached the heat spike and that would have been a catastrophe.

[@guillaumedupuy7552]

@@FrancisJohnYT That would have been fun to see, tho :P (but probably horrible to clean up for you, I agree)

[@AfreakingPear]

interesting

[@xxffdsfa334]

plz, activate the "FPS-overlay"-Setting from Steam, I am really wondering what your FPS are/is..pizza.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I though I turned that on ages ago, must have been reset when we moved to the expansion. It's back on again.

[@erawlins1]

Unfortunately your performance issues are going to keep getting worse as you open up other worlds. The beta just isn't running that well yet. I've done a half dozen spaced out playthroughs and at some point you need to open dev mode and start bricking up planets or large areas you're done with, filling them with neutronium. It doesn't interact with anything so it helps a lot with the frame rate.

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

This game too stronk for pc lol I wonder if they can tweak the game to function more smoothly with newer CPUs .. would be nice. Kind of like how Wow lags because of limited cpu usage

[@mrShift_0044]

Vacuum, tiles or fine spread of gasses of the same temperature are fine to non-cheat ways of optimization. You can also cut pathing options and amount of accessible stuff lying on the ground. Helps a lot because game constantly keeping in check how exactly and where dupes can possibly access anything on the map. It's may be even worth it to cut off some LARGE amounts of resources (like a pike of 8000t of igneous rock from your magma to power converter) in inclosed space with automation access to a small portion of the stuff like Francis did with infinite food storage, because then game thinks that no dupe can access any of that like 240 stacks of 25t of material DIRECTLY and cuts off unnecessary calculation.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Walling in the map will be on the cards, though I do like the neutronium idea but only if the game got bad enough. Would prefer to use the in game mechanics to help us out.