Ep 140 | Genesis 12-17; Abraham 1-2, Come Follow Me (February 7-13)

[@christyromero6175]

I love hearing about Heavenly Mother, and how she wants to be found. I am grateful we can talk and think about Her now! Thank you so much for all your Efforts on our behalf every week. this is my favorite CFM program. I listen every week. You both have taught me so much and touch my heart .

[@binmyrtmind]

These type of lessons are what taught me to love and understand the Old Testament. Thank you for using more resources to provide further insightful knowledge.

[@lornaphillips7888]

It is always a ‘Spiritual Feast’ listening to your podcasts. Thank you for all the effort, research, time, and love you put into these lessons to help us increase our knowledge. I feel the Spirit each time I listen to you. You both have blessed my life. 🌿♥️🌿

[@talkingscripture]

Thank you so much!

[@mariehunter3412]

I love to listen and learn. I share them to a couple of friends and 7 of my adult children highly recommended

[@larrainemoore1880]

This podcast at the end was breathtaking!! Wow!!

[@talkingscripture]

Sometimes it is really fun to "just look at the words..."

[@naidakoelliker944]

Wow! So much to learn!! Thank you both!!

[@ClintK.]

Mike if you ever want to go 4 hrs I'm all in! Thanks guys for your help. The story for Pharaoh and Sarah was very eye opening to me. I've always knew there was more to that story and now I know. What a heart reaching story for both Abraham and his wife and their struggle with seed.

[@talkingscripture]

Thanks Clint. You and me and four hours... and everyone else will be asleep after I am talking 30 minutes straight...

[@ClintK.]

@@talkingscripture lol well just know it's sure appreciated from those of us who are hungry. Reminds me being back in college taking my religion class. Sure appreciate it and the spirit you two invite to your show and info.

[@juliejacobs3707]

I've learned things that I had no idea about. It goes to the personalitys of the brethren and sisters of old

[@patstevens2131]

Love learning from you thank you for this podcast.

[@richardpineda1364]

Thank you for sharing this message 👍.

[@reylainbloxham2525]

Your beautiful emphasis of the sacrifice of Sarah and her time with Pharoah makes me wish we had some context of Noah's wife as we keep seeing the repeating of these themes.

[@merlguth5736]

Great lesson, a spiritual feast! One thing, however, I can't find the slides you reference in the show notes. It would help if you would include the link in the above description and make it easier to find.

[@talkingscripture]

At the beginning of each episode we direct listeners to the location. It is also posted at the top of each description of every podcast. It says - Show Notes: talkingscripture.org Find the episode you are listening to, click the link, and away you go. Thanks for listening!

[@rochelle299]

The show notes link when you go to it are broken. The slides and show notes aren't working. I love this podcast!

[@talkingscripture]

www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2022/01/16/genesis-12-17-abraham-1-2-quotes-and-notes/

[@mikecarver8166]

I found it interesting your father received two patriarchal blessings because his lineage wasn't stated in the first. The same thing happened to my mom. She received the second one around the time she lost my brother (her son) to leukemia. She always said that second blessing brought her real comfort around that difficult time.

[@crystaldavies9314]

I love everything you said. I have a question though...I thought that since the Fall, Elohim only speaks to man to introduce the Son...so would Heavenly Father or Mother be speaking to Abraham or Moses?

[@talkingscripture]

Crystal I (Mike Day) am glad you have brought this question up. Like was stated in the podcast, I am not declaring doctrine. I do not have the authority to do so. I am simply looking at the words of the text, letting the text speak, as it were, from its context. The ancient Israelites (and Canaanites, Mesopotamians, Egyptians, etc.) had a conception of the Divine Feminine. Their worldview is not going to square with the view of traditional Jews, Christians, or Latter-day Saint Christians in every respect. The text of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) does not even square entirely with Judaism (see J. Barton's quote below). So there are two rivers I am swimming in when I make the comments about El Shaddai at the end of the podcast. One is culture and language, and the other is the LDS position on Heavenly Mother. I am opening up the conversation (as have other scholars - I am not alone in looking at this connection) that the text is nuanced, that there are layers to this version of God communicating with Abraham (from P). I worked to bring to the table that the possibility for the Divine Feminine is in the text of Genesis 17 (and also all other six references to El Shaddai in Genesis). My discussing this does not mean I am right. I was not there. But just looking at the words and how they relate, how they were used, etc. (read Biale's paper linked in the show notes, so much was left unsaid), help to unlock these things. Also know that I am not in the position of trying to square all Latter-Day Saint leaders' statements with the text of the Hebrew Bible. I do not know of one singular theological system can do this. This is because the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) itself is not a unified theological system, nor do I believe that it claims to be. Lehi and Nephi give us permission to view the Bible this way (see our podcast episode 30). The Book of Mormon is clearly opening us up to the possibility that there were several ways the Israelites viewed God and salvation as well as how the temple should operate. What we have in the Hebrew Bible is what was left after the apostate 7th century Deuteronomistic reformers were finished with it. Then we must take into account the later redactions of the writers during the Exile. (See: Nelson, Double Redaction of the Deuteronomistic History, Bloomsbury, 2009. Start reading at about p. 21) I work to not cite or discuss references from the Bible in a way so as to declare authority or "how it should be." I am also, as has previously been stated, not declaring any doctrine. I am simply looking at the words. John Barton put it this way: The Bible is centrally important to both Judaism and Christianity, but not as a holy text out of which entire religious systems can somehow be read. Its contents illuminate the origins of Christianity and Judaism, and provide spiritual classics on which both faiths can draw; but they do not constrain subsequent generations in the way that a written constitution would. They are simply not that kind of thing. They are a repository of writings, both shaping and shaped by the two religions at various stages in their development, to which later generations of believers are committed to responding in positive, but also critical, ways. To attribute religious authority to such a document stretches the word ‘authority’ to its limits, and can only be sustained by devising special ways of interpreting this book that differ from those in which others are interpreted. (John Barton, A History of the Bible)

[@crystaldavies9314]

@@talkingscripture thank you thank you! We appreciate your knowledge and time so very much! This is great to study and ponder.

[@aliciamilne2314]

What video did you guys talk about in the Book of Mormon about how fire and brimstone isn’t literal ?:) what videos have you guys reference what hell is ? Thank you !

[@talkingscripture]

I (Mike) do not know to what you are referring. Sorry!