EP-173 | Exploring India's Election Influence on Neighbours with Tilak Devasher & Ajay Bisaria

The world's biggest festival of democracy is underway in India. Drama, spectacle, colour, jibes, and exuberant noise-India is witnessing everything. But what about its neighbours? How are they watching the Indian Election 2024? Who do they want in power: a strong independent government or a coalition one? How will the 2024 India General election shape neighbours' foreign policies? We will get all the answers.
Joining this podcast are two esteemed experts, Ajay Bisaria and Tilak Devasher. Bisaria is a Distinguished Fellow at ORF. He served as the Indian High Commissioner to Canada and India's envoy to Pakistan, Poland, and Lithuania. He also authored the book "Anger Management: The Troubled Diplomatic Relationship Between India and Pakistan," which is discussed in the show.
Tilak Devasher is the author of three widely acclaimed books on Pakistan. He retired as Special Secretary, Cabinet Secretariat, Government of India in October 2014. He is currently a member of the National Security Advisory Board.
In this episode, experts discuss how China is extending its trade ties with Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Myanmar, which pose high-risk points for Indian territories. They further talk about dealing with the Taliban government, terrorism of insurgent groups in Myanmar, and relations with the Pakistan government. And how should India deal with the New Maldivian government, which ran an 'India Out' Campaign.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming Up
02:07 - Introduction
03:20 - How Neighbours view 2024 Polls
08:42 - India-Pakistan Relations
19:08 - Pak wants INDIA Alliance?
22:51 - Teesta Project & India Out Campaign
28:44 - Maldives ties with India & China
32:56 - India's Aid to Sri Lanka
36:19 - Political instability in Nepal
42:24 - China 'Learning' from India
45:15 - Is CPEC dying?
51:49 - India's view on Myanmar Insurgency
55:54 - Security Threats for India
59:09 - India-Bhutan Ties
01:00:48 - India-China strategic relations
01:03:05 - Taliban Government
01:05:30 - Khalistan Movement in Canada
01:10:39 - Ajay Bisaria's Pakistan Expulsion
01:17:57 - Pak's Interest in India
01:21:25 - Pak KZbinrs Admiring India
01:23:48 - Street Protests' Influence
01:28:27 - China's Threat to Polls
01:33:07 - West's View on Indian Democracy
01:35:17 - Domestic Politics & Foreign Policy
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[@lovelyaggarwal1927]

We should STOP focusing on Pakistan. Policy of ignoring them is the best policy for foreseeable future.

[@Nationalist04]

We have already

[@trilokyamohanchakra6351]

​@@Nationalist04but we still have 25code of them living in different parts of India

[@tejesheconomics4072]

@@trilokyamohanchakra6351it our stupid Gandhiji mistake to think we can ever trust the Ambedkar was right to ask for complete population transfer

[@trilokyamohanchakra6351]

@@tejesheconomics4072 yep either become exmuslim or please migrate to Pakistan

[@trilokyamohanchakra6351]

@@tejesheconomics4072 yep either become exmuslim or please migrate to Pakistan

[@JP1208MM]

Please invite Mr. Jayadev Ranade who can give us great insights on China and also Nitin Gokhale on India borders.. Would be a delight to watch both !!!

[@sundareshanal1849]

It is such a refreshing change from those times when a few strategic pundits would monopoloise the debates on foreign policy issues with so called iconic anchors like Karan Thapar. Most of those discussions were structured to give a so called " fair assessent ". Needless to mention criticizing Indian policy makers was par for the course.All of us know about those sanctimonious punditry of the strategic foregin policy experts.

[@ArjunKapurTheMonk]

Ajay Bisaria is an example of Old Establishment. For maintaining his access to the glitterati speaks all talking points of interests other than that of India. His views on critical Indian interests have likely damaged India. He speaks the language of pleasing foreign powers.

[@sudeepsingh4058]

I felt exactly the same

[@boseaniirban]

True

[@trilokyamohanchakra6351]

Seedha bolna na ki he's a congressi

[@sameerkulkarni7086]

Close your eyes and listen to Tilak Devashar talking..he sounds like Ranbir Kapoor 😎

[@trilokyamohanchakra6351]

Why did you ruin it for me😂

[@bhavinsampat590]

This is called realistic analysis of situation

[@1stB_Indian]

*Chhenna(China)Punjab Eco Corridor* *That was awesome* 👈👈👈👈

[@affaqmalik5876]

Bas Pakistan Pakistan hi karty rehna or ajkal Punjab ko gali dena bas

[@jaivora423]

Thank you Mrs. Prakash for this wonderful exchange- On my behalf do also thank the participating diplomats. 🙏🏼

[@mruthyunjayasiddalingaiah7489]

Modi is an Unique, Visionary, Dynamic, True Nationalist Leader acclaimed world over under the present geopolitical situation.Chanukya would not have manoeuvred better than Modi with the various ethnicity & opposition within/outside the country. MODI means Man Of Developing India 🇮🇳🙏

[@moslemson]

Baat to sahi hai but Chanakya se comparison thora zyada nahein hogaya?

[@trilokyamohanchakra6351]

😂 ab kya kare hindu hain hi gajani​@@moslemson

[@BighneshPatelBaba]

Jyada ? Bahut kaam hua Pakistan ka ye halat abhi Tak jitne pm the kiske term mai nahi hua itne Shanti pichle 5 saal Mai hua hai Atal ji ki sarkar ne bhi hath badhaya tha Jo nahi karna tha To bahut kaam bola hai bhai

[@bhawanirana563]

I thought Mr. Ajay will tell truth but he was telling just lie. He didn’t say who we deal with Khalistani in Canada. I live in Canada. These Indian diplomatic don’t do anything here. They just take salary and heavy perks

[@higherbeingX]

He still fondly remembers the congressi government with nostalgia

[@RohitKaul-TheRealOne]

Question to Mr Tilak : why should kashmir statehood be the determining factor for Talks with Pakistan. They snapped the ties, so why should we give them something in terms of statehood to kashmir. That would send a very wrong message that we were forced to give statehood. As a kashmiri, statehood should be restored after 30 years of 2019 maybe in 2047. The years lost in militancy should be taken as time barometer for it being a UT. Those farooqs and muftis should understand the value of being a responsible "state" like others in India.

[@blessme-ng9gu]

PM Modi has proved by now in his very DNA as a very well Seasoned, Strong, ingeniously gifted Leader, Politician to deal with & handle various dificult opposing elements, of diverse multiple ethnicity issues of a rapidly growing new india seen & proven under his last 10 yr regime. 🎉 🎉 He is a skilled Administrator, Orater, selfless politician who loves his country, a Fervent nationalist 'n a Patriot. 🎉 Where is another 2nd person to replace him as of today. ❤ We definately find him indispensible till de end of his time. 😢

[@gurdeepsingh1403]

Yes I do agree with you.. Jai Hind, Vandematram..

[@snathan3198]

Ajay Bisaria is completely wrong about the Chinese intentions or prediction about their behaviour post Modi 3.0. Knowledge about our real enemy no. 1 i.e. China is crucial in countering it.

[@vibhakerbaxi6998]

Excellent and most insightful discussion with two of India’s finest and astute diplomats and geo strategists. Normally I can’t persevere with long podcasts but in your case the longer the better. Keep them coming. We in the diaspora love them. 🙏🙏

[@ganeshansrinivasan2151]

Who cares what our neighbours want? All we want to know what majority of Indians want.

[@kumartr747]

We don't bother what neighbours or Canada or US thinks and wishes to have which government we will elect. It's our right to elect our leaders, it's non of their business and they should not interfere. Offcourse they know what India is now!!!!!!!

[@avd2111]

Pakistan china are saying India mein democracy khatam ho jayega congress bhi wohi kethta hai Yeh rishta kya kehlata hai

[@mruthyunjayasiddalingaiah7489]

Namaste🙏Har Har Mahadev🔱Jai Sree Ram 🏹Vande Mataram🇮🇳 Vasudaiva Kutumbakam🙏Bharat is Mother of Democracy👍Sanatana Dharma is the only solution for Global Peace 🌍

[@raghavansunder7259]

Classical , knowledgeable ,balanced officers , Our country should be 'proud'

[@surojitsaha7652]

Excellent Guests... Kudos to ANI

[@sanathkaushik8113]

Looking forward to this podcast Good to view this election from a subcontinent perspective in this episode Also would like an other podcast on how the US and the West views this election and whom would they prefer (though broadly we know the answer to that question )

[@raghavansunder7259]

Smithaji's incisive intelliget channel is definitely educative.🎉

[@adpaliwal]

First name is ok, but prefix of “Mr “”would have augur well, particularly in Oriental context , at least looking to age aspect.

[@sadanandshivagunde6164]

Why doesn't media call out false narratives ? Don't give publicity. Great discussion. Should be a regular feature. Include Sushant ji also. More of China and less of Pakistan. Thank you all. Jai Bharat 🙏

[@MananBajaj]

Excellent discussion

[@hemsful]

What a podcast!! Wow such knowledgeable conversation. Thank you Smitha. Want more.

[@DeePod205]

Thanks a lot ❤

[@3112585]

Thank you Smita for this podcast.

[@hemasankaran1728]

Real sensible, realistic and intellectual podcast

[@priyadas6172]

Smita ji, you are so good. Overall a great discussion

[@1stB_Indian]

*Pakistani Punjabis :- sannu Chai di "Kheraat" Puri "Respect" K Sath*

[@affaqmalik5876]

Bas Pakistan Pakistan hi karty rehna or ab lindus ka naya churan Punjabi Pakistan mai 70 % log punjabi dilects hi hai sirf punjab nhi kpk sy sindh bolochistan, Kashmir tak mai

[@abhaymanas391]

We don’t care who our neighbours want…but I want Modi!!!

[@paramitaroy2256]

I thoroughly enjoyed the podcast.

[@blessme-ng9gu]

Yes dear Smita. . .We all want experienced , well Seasoned folks like these. . . Age soeaks 🎉 😅 🎉

[@ajaykrpanday2529]

इतने पढ़े लिखे लोग है मैं इनके ज्ञान का सम्मान करता हु बस दुख है कि पूरी तरह से हिंदी नही सिख सके अगर ये पूरी वार्ता हिंदी में हुई होती तो कितना अच्छा और अपना पन दिखता पर क्या करे सब हिंदी नही बोल सकते।

[@malishan1986]

This was FANTASTIC

[@partoflife09]

Neighbours r always jealous to our success & they want a weak goverment in India which they can manipulate. And we know which parties are weak(est).

[@apurbabhattacharjee6251]

Excellent

[@AshokJayanthi]

Don't worry about Neighbors. Important who is good for Bharath.

[@gautamsanyal4527]

Excellent discussions 👍🏻

[@nishithseth5926]

Great discussion... good quality...

[@amarendrabhowmick8896]

Hell with neighbours.

[@skandamurthy]

Very nice podcast ma'am 😊

[@ChitBits]

Smithoooooo you look awesome pretty … nice discussion 😍💕

[@jashoke5790]

I personally think the best scenario for us is to ignore Pakistan any peace move will only be temporary they will revert back to there old ways our previous peace moves have failed

[@nandishcs]

Top notch podcast

[@ajayajena5569]

India should not allow visa free for Nepalies,,,,,,,,it is a security concern for Bharat

[@diptendu3135]

You must do conversation on De-Radicalisation,which is the problem with our neighbours, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Madde eps & Afghanistan. Some solution shall come out. India out program is a radicalised kind of thing.

[@neoprince15]

Thank you Prakash Saab for the new word Obduracy

[@meenakshiiyer3459]

Hey it is a word in the Oxford dictionary.

[@blessme-ng9gu]

Being a Good Listener is One of de highest merits of a man Like Lord Ganesha. . . . .😮 Says de scriptures 🎉 🎉

[@LBW-SAB]

BD vs IND BEST FRIEND FOR EVER

[@rajunaik26]

Please bring jaydev Ranade 🙏

[@anindyadutta4013]

Smitha you referred the US as Pakistan's aaka.. in fact Pakistan has developed many aakas since 1947.. they have Saudi Arabia and China their all weather .. each time they are .. one of the akaa's come to help on their own..

[@bhupenmistry9803]

jai Bharatmata🇮🇳🙏🏾

[@blessme-ng9gu]

Bharat Varsh is de Mother of Democracy. Hence Sanatan Dharma is de 0nly Solution to World Peace : Vasudev Kutumbh: One World Family 🎉 ❤ 🎉

[@arabindabhattacharjee424]

Excellent love affair really.

[@panimeda245]

27.07 Soon that will happen there similar to the neighbours of west there is only 13% population is left with saris. Once that goes down, things will change there too. Enlightenment takes a long time to acquire but for becoming an ignorant it doesn't take long one evening in a cave is enough.

[@chitgupt1060]

The main point everyone is missing is that this allegation was on criminality issue. Criminality is not like Kanishka, or Nuclear fuel stoppage. Or for that matter in Khalistani Politics. Anyway just the kno0wledge of everyone. Creation of Khalistan will happen on Canadian soil and so does West Pakistan a lot many Pakistani retired generals and Pakistanis are living in Canada and 100% of them are Muslims. Canada! Welcome to future.

[@hinduawakening24]

This is a direct result of Ignoring all this Areas for 6 dacades aftrr independence By the Congress Party. No infrastructure, no proper investment , no dialogue but stay in Delhi and Loot, scam, and keep the cycle of poverty & starvation with communal violance. jai hind

[@rakadus]

15:27 Indian objective must be to go back 712 AD; not just 2014. Let's not be so short sighted.

[@makdadpe]

Maam.. if possible can you get ex ambassador Mr.G Parthasarathy to talk on same topic...

[@user-zd6qw9ec9g]

Madam Smita Prakash why are you not discussing about Canada.

[@Olive_Chap]

This duo is awesome but please bring sushant bhai to spice things up

[@gautamsharma8459]

India should have done this immediately after 1971 instead of waiting until now

[@tuntunwin7501]

I am a medical doctor of Myanmar 🇲🇲, but unfortunately my भारत sarkar is like अंधा बोरा गूँगा भारत ने लोक सभा और अपने राज्य सभा में अपने पड़ोसी गरीब देश Myanmar 🇲🇲 में हो रहे Military Coup Terrorists सरकार के विरुद्ध काम से कम एक निन्दा प्रस्ताव नहिं रखे. भारत ने UNSC में उसे बचाने का प्रयास किया. अपितु भारत के सैन्य chief की आकस्मिक मृत्यु और भारत के धरती पर Australia 🇦🇺 टीम के साथ हार का सामना करना पड़ा

[@I...2728]

What a top notch guest. Amazing.

[@rajeevstube]

Also relief from mundane political rhetoric from political leaders

[@chandan7040]

Neighbours who can't rule themselves and have made a mess of their own country? We should be bothered about who they want to rule over India?

[@vikram.1090]

Mam kindly add date of shoot so as to refer with other news

[@user-zd6qw9ec9g]

Hi fellow Indians,talk about Canada

[@venkataraghotham7586]

India has repatriated 3 Assasins of Mujib who were hiding in West Bengal in the last 10 years.

[@Travel_With_My_Eyes]

@ANI Basically it's INDI ALLIANCE not INDIA ALLIANCE

[@rp962]

👏

[@NK_NGD]

You could have made a schematic map of Myanmar and shown the areas... I have no clue about Myanmar and it's areas and I won't even remember the names of the areas just by hearing them in podcast.

[@iDeepakRana]

Smita, after bringing Pakistan a dozen times in every other podcast, "We don't care about Pakistan anymore."

[@Nationalist04]

Don't care of Pakistan in terms of policy , not discussion

[@Arvindchauhan-qv6gd]

Lithuanian are the real brave hearts who have shown a middle finger 🖕 to Xijingping the emperor of China for life n CCP by recognising Taiwan as a sovereign nation… Bravo 👏🏻 ❤

[@basantsinha3159]

Pakistan has Army supervised democracy

[@Namefame1]

Worth watching ANI podcasts for hours ❤✅

[@paramitaroy2256]

Common people especially young people are talking against India. Its shocking. Bangladesh got so much help from India but the are dare to talk to boycott India. India must teach them a lesson.

[@hasshah1276]

Very informative discussion.

[@atmaram1038]

Wonderful discussion

[@sadashivahegdehegde3029]

After the election result Chaina might change its mind towards India after that other neighbouring countries fall in line

[@Realist839]

She does not want to talk to the older guy..kinda sad to see him ignored for the most part

[@kaundinyagotramahadevputra3176]

If IMF and Pakistan have nikah and divorce regularly, who performs the Halala ?

[@colarunjoshi]

I am curious as to what Mr Dullat is up to?

[@AshokGupta-oq6hs]

Sirs&Madam,of course indi alliance.

[@perfopt9077]

The Indian position may have shifted from stop-terror for trade and talks to hand over PoK and wanted terrorists for trade and talks.

[@bhattpaddy]

Samita pls have your speakers complete and stop interrupting. You would often go on interrupted your guests!

[@sghosh35]

The analysis is from narrow point of view. The Bangladesh relationship with India has also to be seen from influenced by other powers apart from the internal radical islamists and leftists.

[@ratnanadkarni3826]

Thank you for the mature and respectful dialogue sans sensationalism

[@surendrabarsode8959]

1. About Pakistan- it is simple. First, Pakistan has nothing to do with J&K after Art 370 was abrogated- whether it is a UT or a state. Secondly, we have nothing to do with their elected Govts, as the Army controls everything. So let us NOT get into Aman Ki Asha mode ever again. Until Pakistan Army and ISI stops all anti terror activities against India fully and completely, nothing can happen in our relations Thirdly, India will not trade with Pakistan as any trade with Pakistan means feeding their coffers for terrorist activities, open our borders for drug trade etc. 2. In fact, Modi 3.0 should actively support anti Pak forces in variety of ways like via Taliban, support for POK, Baloch and Sindh movements etc. 3. China is making moves in Shaksgam Valley and is unlikely to change its stance on border with India. This works well for India, as we are building up our defenses and infrastructure on the border. Plus we are close to US and we are getting required defense technologies from US. And yet China is our biggest trading partner!!!! 4. Excellent and refreshing discussions by Tilak and Ajay.

[@affaqmalik5876]

Beta hum jo karay gy na tumhari naslay yaad rakhnay gi tum wasay bi anti Pakistan forces ko support karty ho jasay BLA or TTP humay karni chaye tumharay khilaf i s i ko karna chaye

[@geoSwaraj]

At 53:50 she embarrassingly says "and Indian media doesn't report on it"😏, while running apparently 'South Asia's largest news network'.

[@srinivasanm.v475]

Why statehood for kashmir should bother pakistan. Kashmir should retain its present status.

[@subhashischatterjee6685]

Maa'm lot of people liked communism , but were disillusioned, like with Kejriwal. It's an utopia.

[@rahulsahu27may]

Or should we go back to that point when pakistan never awarded MFN status to India under WTO?

[@maheshr7724]

Ajay after retirement do not know where his royalty is with Bharat or our neighbouring countries 😂😂😂😂

[@rajat.jain_]

Samosa podcast on 3rd june mam please

[@Kang76-ez2nt]

food for thought ..why are almost all of india's neighbors 'hostile' to it? can't be a coincidence, right ?

[@Whatsinaname423]

Much less than China.. Some of our neighbours are hostile. But ALL of china’s neighbours hate China.

[@TheBakuganmaster99]

What are you trying to insinuate?

[@prajkta123]

What about atrocities on Hindus in BD?

[@arjunsubramanian8576]

My God how much she interrupts..!! Both speakers completely lost track of questions asked and what they wanted to speak. Smita, could you please control your excitement. We actually want to hear them narrate their experience