Ep 286: Dr. Sanjay Sharma | Migration, Gurkhas, Identity, Immigration

@bisheshlama8172 19 күн бұрын

Thank you for this great episode Sushant for bringing Dr Sanjay about the plight of the Gurkhas I'm the 4th generation 78 years old veteran born and bought up in Burma currently living in UK if Dr Sanjay needs more data my mother is 105 years old who survived World War 2 and living in Chanouli Chitwon she will tell all about the great War and how the Nepali survived

@RavishPatel-q2t 18 күн бұрын

The Limbus: Agents of Change and Discontent in Nepal and Sikkim Under British Patronage The Limbus, an ethnic group inhabiting the eastern Himalayan region, played a pivotal and contentious role in the historical dynamics of Nepal and Sikkim during the British colonial era. Positioned strategically by the British Empire, the Limbus were instrumental in advancing British interests, often at the expense of their Nepalese and Sikkimese neighbors. This essay explores how the Limbus historically collaborated with the British, leading to significant gains in wealth and influence for themselves while contributing to the decline of other ethnic groups such as the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Kami, Sarki, and Newars. Assistance in British Military Endeavors Initially, the Limbus supported the British in their military campaigns in eastern Nepal, utilizing their extensive knowledge of local terrain and conditions. Despite their efforts, the invasion faced fierce resistance from Gorkha soldiers, and the British were initially dissatisfied with the Limbus' contributions, which fell short of expectations. This early cooperation laid the groundwork for a strategic relationship but left room for improvement in subsequent engagements. Strategic Role in Making Sikkim a British Protectorate Redirecting their efforts towards Sikkim and Darjeeling-regions of critical importance to the British-the Limbus played a pivotal role. In 1835, with significant support from the Limbus, the British secured the Darjeeling region from the Kingdom of Sikkim. This acquisition was crucial for establishing a hill station pivotal to British strategic interests in the region. The Limbus' understanding of local politics and geography proved invaluable, garnering greater appreciation from the British compared to their earlier efforts in Nepal. By 1861, the Limbus facilitated Sikkim's transition into a British protectorate, capitalizing on internal turmoil and external vulnerabilities within the Kingdom of Sikkim. Their involvement in negotiations aligned with British interests, solidifying Sikkim's status as a protectorate and enhancing the Limbus' standing as key allies in British plans for regional dominance. British Rewards and Limbus' Economic Ascendancy Acknowledging the pivotal role played by the Limbus in securing Darjeeling and establishing British control over Sikkim, the British rewarded them generously. The Limbus received land grants and enjoyed a degree of autonomy within British-controlled territories, significantly elevating their socioeconomic status. This economic empowerment allowed the Limbus to accumulate wealth and influence, consolidating their position in the evolving political landscape of Nepal and Sikkim. Impact on Indigenous Groups: Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Kami, Sarki, and Newars In contrast, the rise of the Limbus under British patronage marginalized indigenous groups such as the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Kami, Sarki, and Newars, who historically held power and influence in Sikkim and Nepal. These groups witnessed a decline in their socioeconomic status and political influence as the Limbus gained prominence. The economic disparities widened as the Limbus capitalized on British opportunities, while other indigenous communities struggled to adapt to colonial policies and changes. Legacy of Betrayal and Ethnic Divisions The Limbus' alliance with the British was perceived as a betrayal by the Gorkhas and other indigenous communities, exacerbating ethnic tensions and divisions in Nepal and Sikkim. This betrayal deepened mistrust and animosity among ethnic groups, creating lasting rifts that persist to this day. The British, adept at exploiting such divisions, utilized the Limbus' allegiance to weaken indigenous unity and consolidate their control over Himalayan territories. Post-Colonial Opportunities and Diaspora Following the British era, many Limbus leveraged their connections and experiences gained during British rule to seek opportunities abroad. The diaspora of Limbus to countries like Hong Kong, Singapore, and the UK further enhanced their economic prospects and educational attainment, widening the gap between them and other indigenous groups who faced post-colonial challenges and limited opportunities.

@RavishPatel-q2t 12 күн бұрын

The history of the Limbus' involvement with the British Army is inextricably linked to their betrayal of both Nepal and Sikkim in the 19th century. Through their strategic alliances and opportunistic actions, the Limbus were able to gain the favor of the British, which ultimately led to their recruitment into the prestigious Gurkha regiments. The Limbus' first major act of betrayal came during the Anglo-Nepalese War of 1814-1816. Despite being subjects of the Gorkha rulers of Nepal, the Limbus chose to assist the British in their invasion of eastern Nepal. Leveraging their intimate knowledge of the rugged terrain and local conditions, the Limbus provided valuable intelligence and support to the British forces. However, the British were not particularly impressed with the Limbus' contributions, which fell short of their expectations due to the fierce resistance from the Gorkha soldiers. Nonetheless, the strategic significance of the region kept the British interested in forming alliances with local groups. The Limbus, recognizing another opportunity, shifted their focus to Sikkim and Darjeeling. In 1835, the British secured the Darjeeling region from the Kingdom of Sikkim, with significant help from the Limbus. Their deep understanding of the region's political and geographical intricacies proved crucial in navigating local politics. The Limbus' cooperation reached its peak in 1861 when they assisted the British in making Sikkim a protectorate. The Kingdom of Sikkim, weakened by internal strife and external threats, was vulnerable. The Limbus played a key role in facilitating negotiations and ensuring that British interests were met, thus solidifying Sikkim's status as a British protectorate. The British, acknowledging the Limbus' critical role in their successes in Darjeeling and Sikkim, rewarded them with land grants and a degree of autonomy within British-controlled territories. However, this alliance with the British was seen as a betrayal by the Gorkhas, their historical rulers in Nepal. Starting in 1914, the British began recruiting the Limbus as Gurkha mercenaries. This recruitment was a testament to the trust and value the British placed in the Limbus after their strategic contributions. Serving in the British Indian Army, the Limbus found new opportunities and recognition, further solidifying their alliance with the British. The Limbus' betrayal of Nepal and Sikkim, driven by their desire for autonomy and recognition, ultimately shaped their path into the British Army. Through their opportunistic actions and willingness to collaborate with the British invaders, the Limbus were able to gain a privileged position that eluded other ethnic groups in the region.

@Ashishsinhaofficial 21 күн бұрын

Awesome podcast! All the best Dr. Sanjay, would love to hear more from you.

@YogeshGurung-dz4ue 18 күн бұрын

Thank you Sushant Pradhan podcast and Dr Sanjay..

@RavishPatel-q2t 17 күн бұрын

The Limbus assisted the British in their invasion of eastern Nepal, leveraging their intimate knowledge of the rugged terrain and local conditions. Despite their efforts, the British found the invasion challenging due to fierce resistance from the Gorkha soldiers. Although the British managed to secure some territories, including Kumaon and Garhwal, they were not particularly impressed with the Limbus' contributions, which fell short of their expectations. This initial phase of cooperation left the British somewhat dissatisfied with the Limbus. The Limbus' Role in Making Sikkim a British Protectorate Despite the initial disappointment, the strategic significance of the Himalayan region kept the British interested in forming alliances with local groups. The Limbus, recognizing another opportunity, shifted their focus to Sikkim and Darjeeling. Their deep understanding of the region’s political and geographical intricacies proved invaluable to the British. In 1835, the British secured the Darjeeling region from the Kingdom of Sikkim, with significant help from the Limbus. The British aimed to establish a hill station in Darjeeling, and the Limbus' cooperation was crucial in navigating local politics. Their efforts were more appreciated this time, as the British began to recognize the strategic importance of their alliance with the Limbus. The culmination of this alliance came in 1861 when the Limbus assisted the British in making Sikkim a protectorate. The Kingdom of Sikkim, weakened by internal strife and external threats, was vulnerable. The Limbus played a key role in facilitating negotiations and ensuring that British interests were met, thus solidifying Sikkim’s status as a British protectorate. British Rewards and the Betrayal of the Gorkhas The British, acknowledging the Limbus' critical role in their successes in Darjeeling and Sikkim, rewarded them with land grants and a degree of autonomy within British-controlled territories. This marked a significant shift in the relationship between the Limbus and the British, highlighting the Limbus' strategic value in the region. However, this alliance with the British was seen as a betrayal by the Gorkhas, their historical rulers. This act of betrayal further strained relationships between different ethnic groups in the region, creating a legacy of mistrust and division. The British, adept at exploiting such divisions, used the Limbus' betrayal to weaken Gorkha influence and consolidate their control over the Himalayan territories. Starting in 1914, the British began recruiting the Limbus as Gurkha mercenaries. This recruitment was a testament to the trust and value the British placed in the Limbus after their strategic contributions. Serving in the British Indian Army, the Limbus found new opportunities and recognition, further solidifying their alliance with the British.

@kritiuttmasingh1235 18 күн бұрын

So informative 👏🏽

@deepkr7510 20 күн бұрын

Women giving birth to 2 children is their contribution to the family and economy. Society (family) seeking contribution to the family in terms of money creates pressure for women to work and this creates hassle in bearing children. Money that both spouses had earned till 35-40 will be spend in IVF centres which would have saved if there was less pressure on man and women to be career focused only.

@crlimbu512 17 күн бұрын

कतिजना नेपाली गोर्खालीले र कति गोर्खाली गोर्खालीले यो एपिसोड़ सुनेहोलान भन्ने प्रश्न मनमा लाग्यो. सुन्छु - ब्रिटिश-गोर्खाज र नेपाल आर्मी बीच वास्तविक गोर्खा को हो? भन्ने दुबिधा हुन्छ रे, कहिलेकाही... Dr को कुरो सुनी सके पछि ब्रिटिश-गोर्खाज नै वास्तविक गोर्खा ठहर गरेँ. आशा गरौ गोर्खाली र नेपाली फौजी आमने सामने युद्धमा हुनुपर्ने स्थिति कहिले नआउला.

@prakritirai4368 14 күн бұрын

On air with Sanjay episode 426 ma Major Dil kumar Rai ko Interview sunnuhos Crstal clear chha I do not see any point fighting for the Gorkhas tittle .

@RavishPatel-q2t 12 күн бұрын

The history of the Limbus' involvement with the British Army is inextricably linked to their betrayal of both Nepal and Sikkim in the 19th century. Through their strategic alliances and opportunistic actions, the Limbus were able to gain the favor of the British, which ultimately led to their recruitment into the prestigious Gurkha regiments. The Limbus' first major act of betrayal came during the Anglo-Nepalese War of 1814-1816. Despite being subjects of the Gorkha rulers of Nepal, the Limbus chose to assist the British in their invasion of eastern Nepal. Leveraging their intimate knowledge of the rugged terrain and local conditions, the Limbus provided valuable intelligence and support to the British forces. However, the British were not particularly impressed with the Limbus' contributions, which fell short of their expectations due to the fierce resistance from the Gorkha soldiers. Nonetheless, the strategic significance of the region kept the British interested in forming alliances with local groups. The Limbus, recognizing another opportunity, shifted their focus to Sikkim and Darjeeling. In 1835, the British secured the Darjeeling region from the Kingdom of Sikkim, with significant help from the Limbus. Their deep understanding of the region's political and geographical intricacies proved crucial in navigating local politics. The Limbus' cooperation reached its peak in 1861 when they assisted the British in making Sikkim a protectorate. The Kingdom of Sikkim, weakened by internal strife and external threats, was vulnerable. The Limbus played a key role in facilitating negotiations and ensuring that British interests were met, thus solidifying Sikkim's status as a British protectorate. The British, acknowledging the Limbus' critical role in their successes in Darjeeling and Sikkim, rewarded them with land grants and a degree of autonomy within British-controlled territories. However, this alliance with the British was seen as a betrayal by the Gorkhas, their historical rulers in Nepal. Starting in 1914, the British began recruiting the Limbus as Gurkha mercenaries. This recruitment was a testament to the trust and value the British placed in the Limbus after their strategic contributions. Serving in the British Indian Army, the Limbus found new opportunities and recognition, further solidifying their alliance with the British. The Limbus' betrayal of Nepal and Sikkim, driven by their desire for autonomy and recognition, ultimately shaped their path into the British Army. Through their opportunistic actions and willingness to collaborate with the British invaders, the Limbus were able to gain a privileged position that eluded other ethnic groups in the region.

@NiranjanMalakar 21 күн бұрын

Emmigration and immigration are two different thing. You guys are talking about emmigration but mentioning immigration.

@ratna.mangal 21 күн бұрын

Thanks for this comment. I just learned the difference after googling. 1) Emigration : The act of leaving one's own country to settle permanently in another. 2) Immigration : The action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country.

@sagarsapkota6005 20 күн бұрын

Emigration. Wrong spelling.

@NiranjanMalakar 20 күн бұрын

@@sagarsapkota6005 Thanks for corecting me.

@regionchaudhary2802 19 күн бұрын

Balla educated nepali daykhey timro iq level above 80 hunu parxa sure bro

@NiranjanMalakar 19 күн бұрын

@@regionchaudhary2802 thanks but I am just simple and normal Nepalese person.

@krister021 19 күн бұрын

Why he is taking safe side while expressing ?

@pratikking2272 19 күн бұрын

The Rai Limbus' Pragmatic Betrayal: The Origins of the Gurkha Soldiers The Rai Limbus, rather than the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Newars, or Tamangs, became the renowned Gurkha soldiers serving in the British Army. The key to understanding this lies in the Limbus' opportunistic betrayal of both Nepal and Sikkim, which allowed them to curry favor with the British invaders. In the early 19th century, the newly unified Nepalese kingdom under the Gorkha rulers began expanding its territory, including the conquest of the neighboring kingdom of Sikkim. This brought Nepal into conflict with the British East India Company, which controlled much of northern and eastern India. When Nepal's incursions into British-influenced areas escalated, the Company launched an invasion of Nepal in 1814. During the ensuing Anglo-Nepalese War, the British forces encountered fierce resistance from the skilled and determined Gorkha soldiers of Nepal. However, the Rai Limbus, a minority ethnic group in Sikkim, saw an opportunity to betray both their Sikkimese Lepcha and Bhutia countrymen as well as their fellow Gorkhali in Nepal. Rather than fighting alongside their Sikkimese or Nepalese neighbors, the Rai Limbus actively assisted the British in their campaign to subjugate the Sikkimese kingdom. They helped the British make Sikkim a British protectorate and forced the kingdom to allow British trade with Tibet. The Limbus also aided the British in annexing the strategically important region of Darjeeling, where the indigenous Lepcha and Bhutia peoples were subsequently treated as second-class citizens. In doing so, the Limbus betrayed not only their Sikkimese neighbors, but also the Gorkhas of Nepal who had previously granted them autonomy and Kipat land rights. The Limbus were opportunists, willing to side with the British invaders against both the Gorkhas and the Sikkimese in order to curry favor and advance their own interests. Furthermore, the British likely viewed the Limbus as more malleable and "primitive" compared to the more advanced Lepchas, Bhutias, Newars and Tamangs. This perception may have further justified the British's use of the Limbus against the other ethnic groups in the region. The Limbus' lack of strong historical ties to either Nepal or Sikkim also made them more willing to serve as British proxies. In contrast, the Newars and Khas peoples, who had deep roots in Nepal and shared cultural and religious ties with the Gorkha kingdom, would have been far less likely to betray their fellow Hindus and Nepali brethren. Their refusal to collaborate with the British invaders likely cost them the opportunity to become Gurkha soldiers. Until 1914, the British had primarily recruited Gurungs and Magars into the Gurkha regiments. However, after witnessing the Limbus' willingness to betray both Nepal and Sikkim, the British came to see them as more reliable and malleable proxies that could be used against the other ethnic groups in the region. This is why the Rai Limbus, and not the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Newars or Tamangs, became the predominant recruits for the Gurkha forces.

@pratikking2272 19 күн бұрын

The Rai Limbus' Pragmatic Betrayal: The Origins of the Gurkha Soldiers The Rai Limbus, rather than the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Newars, or Tamangs, became the renowned Gurkha soldiers serving in the British Army. The key to understanding this lies in the Limbus' opportunistic betrayal of both Nepal and Sikkim, which allowed them to curry favor with the British invaders. In the early 19th century, the newly unified Nepalese kingdom under the Gorkha rulers began expanding its territory, including the conquest of the neighboring kingdom of Sikkim. This brought Nepal into conflict with the British East India Company, which controlled much of northern and eastern India. When Nepal's incursions into British-influenced areas escalated, the Company launched an invasion of Nepal in 1814. During the ensuing Anglo-Nepalese War, the British forces encountered fierce resistance from the skilled and determined Gorkha soldiers of Nepal. However, the Rai Limbus, a minority ethnic group in Sikkim, saw an opportunity to betray both their Sikkimese Lepcha and Bhutia countrymen as well as their fellow Gorkhali in Nepal. Rather than fighting alongside their Sikkimese or Nepalese neighbors, the Rai Limbus actively assisted the British in their campaign to subjugate the Sikkimese kingdom. They helped the British make Sikkim a British protectorate and forced the kingdom to allow British trade with Tibet. The Limbus also aided the British in annexing the strategically important region of Darjeeling, where the indigenous Lepcha and Bhutia peoples were subsequently treated as second-class citizens. In doing so, the Limbus betrayed not only their Sikkimese neighbors, but also the Gorkhas of Nepal who had previously granted them autonomy and Kipat land rights. The Limbus were opportunists, willing to side with the British invaders against both the Gorkhas and the Sikkimese in order to curry favor and advance their own interests. Furthermore, the British likely viewed the Limbus as more malleable and "primitive" compared to the more advanced Lepchas, Bhutias, Newars and Tamangs. This perception may have further justified the British's use of the Limbus against the other ethnic groups in the region. The Limbus' lack of strong historical ties to either Nepal or Sikkim also made them more willing to serve as British proxies. In contrast, the Newars and Khas peoples, who had deep roots in Nepal and shared cultural and religious ties with the Gorkha kingdom, would have been far less likely to betray their fellow Hindus and Nepali brethren. Their refusal to collaborate with the British invaders likely cost them the opportunity to become Gurkha soldiers. Until 1914, the British had primarily recruited Gurungs and Magars into the Gurkha regiments. However, after witnessing the Limbus' willingness to betray both Nepal and Sikkim, the British came to see them as more reliable and malleable proxies that could be used against the other ethnic groups in the region. This is why the Rai Limbus, and not the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Newars or Tamangs, became the predominant recruits for the Gurkha forces.

@raazshrestha8845 21 күн бұрын

Nepali saga nata xaina vane kasari gorkhey vayexa😂

@pratikking2272 19 күн бұрын

The Rai Limbus' Pragmatic Betrayal: The Origins of the Gurkha Soldiers The Rai Limbus, rather than the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Newars, or Tamangs, became the renowned Gurkha soldiers serving in the British Army. The key to understanding this lies in the Limbus' opportunistic betrayal of both Nepal and Sikkim, which allowed them to curry favor with the British invaders. In the early 19th century, the newly unified Nepalese kingdom under the Gorkha rulers began expanding its territory, including the conquest of the neighboring kingdom of Sikkim. This brought Nepal into conflict with the British East India Company, which controlled much of northern and eastern India. When Nepal's incursions into British-influenced areas escalated, the Company launched an invasion of Nepal in 1814. During the ensuing Anglo-Nepalese War, the British forces encountered fierce resistance from the skilled and determined Gorkha soldiers of Nepal. However, the Rai Limbus, a minority ethnic group in Sikkim, saw an opportunity to betray both their Sikkimese Lepcha and Bhutia countrymen as well as their fellow Gorkhali in Nepal. Rather than fighting alongside their Sikkimese or Nepalese neighbors, the Rai Limbus actively assisted the British in their campaign to subjugate the Sikkimese kingdom. They helped the British make Sikkim a British protectorate and forced the kingdom to allow British trade with Tibet. The Limbus also aided the British in annexing the strategically important region of Darjeeling, where the indigenous Lepcha and Bhutia peoples were subsequently treated as second-class citizens. In doing so, the Limbus betrayed not only their Sikkimese neighbors, but also the Gorkhas of Nepal who had previously granted them autonomy and Kipat land rights. The Limbus were opportunists, willing to side with the British invaders against both the Gorkhas and the Sikkimese in order to curry favor and advance their own interests. Furthermore, the British likely viewed the Limbus as more malleable and "primitive" compared to the more advanced Lepchas, Bhutias, Newars and Tamangs. This perception may have further justified the British's use of the Limbus against the other ethnic groups in the region. The Limbus' lack of strong historical ties to either Nepal or Sikkim also made them more willing to serve as British proxies. In contrast, the Newars and Khas peoples, who had deep roots in Nepal and shared cultural and religious ties with the Gorkha kingdom, would have been far less likely to betray their fellow Hindus and Nepali brethren. Their refusal to collaborate with the British invaders likely cost them the opportunity to become Gurkha soldiers. Until 1914, the British had primarily recruited Gurungs and Magars into the Gurkha regiments. However, after witnessing the Limbus' willingness to betray both Nepal and Sikkim, the British came to see them as more reliable and malleable proxies that could be used against the other ethnic groups in the region. This is why the Rai Limbus, and not the Lepchas, Bhutias, Chettris, Brahmins, Newars or Tamangs, became the predominant recruits for the Gurkha forces.

@RavishPatel-q2t 17 күн бұрын

The Limbus assisted the British in their invasion of eastern Nepal, leveraging their intimate knowledge of the rugged terrain and local conditions. Despite their efforts, the British found the invasion challenging due to fierce resistance from the Gorkha soldiers. Although the British managed to secure some territories, including Kumaon and Garhwal, they were not particularly impressed with the Limbus' contributions, which fell short of their expectations. This initial phase of cooperation left the British somewhat dissatisfied with the Limbus. The Limbus' Role in Making Sikkim a British Protectorate Despite the initial disappointment, the strategic significance of the Himalayan region kept the British interested in forming alliances with local groups. The Limbus, recognizing another opportunity, shifted their focus to Sikkim and Darjeeling. Their deep understanding of the region’s political and geographical intricacies proved invaluable to the British. In 1835, the British secured the Darjeeling region from the Kingdom of Sikkim, with significant help from the Limbus. The British aimed to establish a hill station in Darjeeling, and the Limbus' cooperation was crucial in navigating local politics. Their efforts were more appreciated this time, as the British began to recognize the strategic importance of their alliance with the Limbus. The culmination of this alliance came in 1861 when the Limbus assisted the British in making Sikkim a protectorate. The Kingdom of Sikkim, weakened by internal strife and external threats, was vulnerable. The Limbus played a key role in facilitating negotiations and ensuring that British interests were met, thus solidifying Sikkim’s status as a British protectorate. British Rewards and the Betrayal of the Gorkhas The British, acknowledging the Limbus' critical role in their successes in Darjeeling and Sikkim, rewarded them with land grants and a degree of autonomy within British-controlled territories. This marked a significant shift in the relationship between the Limbus and the British, highlighting the Limbus' strategic value in the region. However, this alliance with the British was seen as a betrayal by the Gorkhas, their historical rulers. This act of betrayal further strained relationships between different ethnic groups in the region, creating a legacy of mistrust and division. The British, adept at exploiting such divisions, used the Limbus' betrayal to weaken Gorkha influence and consolidate their control over the Himalayan territories. Starting in 1914, the British began recruiting the Limbus as Gurkha mercenaries. This recruitment was a testament to the trust and value the British placed in the Limbus after their strategic contributions. Serving in the British Indian Army, the Limbus found new opportunities and recognition, further solidifying their alliance with the British.

@SandeshKushwaha-tl2fd 5 күн бұрын

शरणार्थी लिम्बू: सिचुवानदेखि उत्तर तिब्बतसम्म: उत्तर तिब्बतदेखि नेपाल र सिक्किमसम्मका :लिम्बूहरूको यात्रा सिचुवान प्रान्तबाट सुरु हुन्छ, जहाँ उनीहरू मूल रूपमा बसोबास गर्थे। १३ औं शताब्दीमा मंगोलहरूको आक्रमणका कारण उनीहरू आफ्नो मातृभूमि छोडेर भाग्न बाध्य भए। मंगोलहरूले सिचुवानमा ठूलो आतंक मच्चाए, जसका कारण लिम्बूहरू उत्तर तिब्बततर्फ लागे। उत्तर तिब्बतमा उनीहरूले केही समय बिताए र त्यहाँका सांस्कृतिक र भौगोलिक परिवेशसँग घुलमिल भए। उत्तर तिब्बतदेखि नेपाल र सिक्किमसम्म उत्तर तिब्बतमा बसोबास गर्न पनि कठिन भइरहेको अवस्थामा, लिम्बूहरू फेरि बसाइँ सर्न बाध्य भए। १६ औं शताब्दीको अन्त्यतिर उनीहरू दक्षिणतर्फ लागे र नेपाल तथा सिक्किममा आएर बसोबास गर्न थाले। नेपालको पूर्वी भाग र सिक्किमको विभिन्न स्थानमा उनीहरूले नयाँ जीवन सुरु गरे। नेपालमा, लिम्बूहरूलाई सेन राजाहरू र लेप्चा आदिवासीहरूले शरण दिए। सेन राजाहरूले उनीहरूलाई सुरक्षा प्रदान गरे र उनीहरूको बसोबासका लागि भूमि उपलब्ध गराए। यस्तै, सिक्किममा पनि चोग्यालहरूले उनीहरूलाई स्वागत गरे र उनीहरूलाई बसोबासका लागि सहुलियत प्रदान गरे।आनुवंशिक अध्ययनहरूले राई र लिम्बूहरूको उत्पत्तिको ठोस प्रमाण प्रदान गर्दछ। यी अध्ययनहरूले यी समुदायहरूमा मंगोलियन र उत्तरी चिनियाँ डीएनएको महत्वपूर्ण अनुपात देखाउँछन्, जसले तिनीहरूलाई भारतीय उपमहाद्वीपका अन्य तिब्बती-बर्मन समूहहरूबाट अलग गर्दछ। उनीहरूको सांस्कृतिक अभ्यास, भाषा, र परम्पराहरू पनि उत्तरी चीन र मंगोलियामा पाइनेहरूको जस्तो देखिन्छ, पूर्वी नेपालका स्वदेशी संस्कृतिहरूको भन्दा।किरात सम्बन्धको निर्माण जबकि किरात राजवंश अस्तित्वमा थियो, राई र लिम्बूहरूलाई यस प्राचीन वंशसँग जोड्ने कुनै ठोस पुरातात्विक वा ऐतिहासिक प्रमाण छैन। बरु, उनीहरूले यस क्षेत्रमा स्वदेशीको रूपमा दावा गर्न किरातसँग सम्बन्ध निर्माण गरे। प्रमुख लिम्बू इतिहासकार इमान सिंह चेम्जोङले किरात विरासतको विचारलाई बढावा दिने क्रममा यस निर्माणमा महत्वपूर्ण भूमिका खेले, जसमा राई र लिम्बूहरू समावेश थिए। यद्यपि, यो कथा लेप्चा, भुटिया, नेवार, र खस आर्य जनताको इतिहासलाई प्रायः ओझेलमा पारिदिन्थ्यो। चेम्जोङका लेखन र किरात पहिचानको राजनीतिक संगठित अभियानले अन्य जातीय इतिहासहरूको ओझेलमा योगदान पुर्‍यायो। ऐतिहासिक पाठ्यक्रमहरू र शैक्षिक पाठ्यक्रमहरूले किरात कथालाई जोड दिन थाले, लेप्चा र भुटियाको सिक्किममा, र नेपालमा नेवार र खस आर्यको स्थापित इतिहासहरूको खर्चमा। चेम्जोङको कामले सुदृढ पारेको किरात पहिचानको जोडले क्षेत्रीय इतिहासको पुनर्लेखन गर्‍यो, जसले यी अन्य समूहहरूको योगदान र विरासतलाई न्यूनतम बनायो। राई र लिम्बूहरूद्वारा किरात प्रभुत्वको लागि पुरातात्विक प्रमाणको अभाव राई र लिम्बूहरूको दावी गरिएको किरात पहिचानको एक महत्वपूर्ण आलोचना भनेको पूर्वी नेपालमा उनीहरूको दीर्घकालीन प्रभुत्वलाई समर्थन गर्ने पुरातात्विक प्रमाणहरूको अभाव हो। सेन ठाकुरी र खस मल्ल राज्यका किल्ला, दरबार, र शिलालेख जस्ता ठोस अवशेषहरूको विपरीत, राई र लिम्बूहरूमा जोडिएको किरात सभ्यतासँग सम्बन्धित पुरातात्विक स्थलहरू छैनन्। यो प्रमाणको अभावले उनीहरूको प्राचीन र स्वदेशी सम्बन्धको दावीको ऐतिहासिक सटीकतामा प्रश्न उठाउँछ।

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