Ep. 3 Zeiss Sub-Moa at 1 mile challenge.

[@Mikey_Mac]

I love this! Texas plinking with the 1 MOA at a 1000 yards and now this at a mile! Awesome!!!

[@edwardflocken2755]

Awesome as usual

[@JerrBearTactical]

6.5 Creedmoor fell way short, not even a puff of dust🫣 ... thanks again for sharing this great event with us Ray😁👊🇺🇸

[@linkchen8245]

Brought the wrong tool for the job I guess LOL

[@desmodreamer86]

Watch episode 2. The 1st impact of this challenge was with a 6.5 CM in 45 degree weather, 12-15 mph winds, and pouring rain.

[@linkchen8245]

@@desmodreamer86 I think it's not impossible but prob less redundant than some of the others.

[@azntactical6487]

I was not successful with a 6.5 creed either. It had enough steam to get there but dope becomes erratic. However I was able to hit 1 mile with a 7SS on the 4th shot.

[@georgecolee7663]

The creedmore can do it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5Klf5qJbKt6mMksi=CSZJ15aRe7GPNa-w

[@gibstera5580]

Great video, and equally great shooter. Thank you, Ray, for making this happen, and thank you, Zeiss!

[@WhatLiesAwaitUS]

TWICE? My man with no big names, smackin the plate not once, but 2 times! 😲 Lucky, better conditions or wtfe, that's absolutely crazy. Very cool to witness. Especially cool that he's not some over sponsorshiped pro. Thanks for sharing

[@mancaveedc7596]

Like Mr “6 out of 5” prediction lol

[@0101-s7v]

Being one of the first shooters, he made it look easy, which made all of the other shooters look "bad" by comparison. The truth is, hitting a target over 5000 feet away is extremely difficult and the fact that he hit it twice in a row really IS quite impressive.

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

@@mancaveedc7596 LOL! Where did his shots go? I never saw an impact marker.

[@XRING]

@wilsonrawlin8547 We didn’t either .

[@JimYeats]

@@mancaveedc7596I think that was a bit of a self depreciating joke. It didn’t seem like either Hornady shooter shot long range and they knew it. Just having fun.

[@joaquin-jacknava2696]

Thanks for the footage Ray. Good to see Matt shooting and hitting steel. Really enjoyed this episode. Big thanks to all the sponsors.

[@AscensionIndustries]

Excellent job Mr. Russell and Mr. Jenkins!

[@KB_86]

This idea definitely came from Texas Plinking. I’m here for it though! I love watching these 1 MOA challenges

[@tikkasako6.5]

I was excited to see the forum was Clinton House. In 2023 that reprobate Mike Sexton talked me into 1760 within 5 shots handling a factory-vanilla Sako S20 flying 6.5 PRC handloads, sighted through an Arken 24x. He treated us like Marine boot campers, and it worked! Seems like Team 'fueled by' Hornady may need some fresh meat. Haha! Great forum, keep it up.

[@t_qwheezzyy]

Absolutely some great folks down there. Mike met up with me for half a day and got my feet wet at 1,000 yards with my .308. He definitely helped me to shoot more accurately in the hours that I had with him. I plan on heading back before too long for a refresher and learn some more.

[@tikkasako6.5]

@@t_qwheezzyy Me too!

[@tylernestor2431]

Nice to see another long range shooting competition on a private channel. Texas Plinking is starting a trend.

[@ES44AC-2]

Thanks for having the shots spotted in the video. It's a lot of extra work, I'm sure. Hats off to the shooters 👏. Glad to see a budget setup.

[@mrbrown3546]

Would've been nice if it was consistent and for everyone, honestly pointless unless it's every shot from every person. Could save a little and not add target hits, just the missed shots.

[@XRING]

I’m not following . All strings are recorded start to finish. If there isn’t a marker it’s because no one saw the bullet impact.

[@mrbrown3546]

@@XRING so they were that far off. Not a good look at all, especially for the 'sponsored professionals'. I'm not saying I could make those shots, but I don't do it for a profession.

[@XRING]

@mrbrown3546 Their specialty is with 3-gun

[@Tomcat088]

I’m enjoying watching this series and will continue to watch. I’ve been a bit surprised (probably shouldn’t be) to see some ungodly nice equipment and then some pretty unsound fundamentals. I was really cheering for Sandra and expected a lot after they said she was a Kahles shooter. While she wasn’t quite slapping the trigger, there was definitely no follow through. Some of the guys that couldn’t quite get a hit on target have grouped ridiculously well, and I know it’s very difficult to spot your own misses and correct for yourself under time constraints (especially in the rain). Regardless, great shooting and a very fun watch.

[@sixrutters]

Great video as usual Ray. High quality production. Thanks to all the sponsors.

[@CashmereJungleLord]

Man what a great video Ray! Finally good to see someone get that second impact.

[@impressiveink]

Ray this is fantastic! Congrats to you and the shooters! Nice job Zeiss! Clever, interesting, and captivating!

[@lukeflaugher5334]

Been looking forward to another episode Ray! Love it!

[@jchapman1161]

Thanks Mr Ray, looking forward for this one

[@NinjaRN4731]

Awesome rifles. Thanks for putting this together Ray. Thumbs up

[@jasonsponsler21]

Very cool episode. Best way to learn long range shooting is to train with Ray/ Xring and Gary/ Paramount at the XP Academy. Hopefully one day I’ll get to come out. And try the mile. I sent you a email asking for some suggestions. As always good work

[@ericrumpel3105]

Congrats to everyone involved, an excellent challenge & Thank You All for sharing.

[@benardo8]

Great video! Feeling lame with my 6.5 creed…I had no idea you could not see anything with that round at that distance.

[@BdonH6F]

LOVE the dryfire from first shooter Dwayne. Steady as a rock. Great fundamentals.

[@steverandle4700]

The first two! Wild to see at such a high level of shooting.

[@robinepps7274]

Dwayne is hard to beat in ELR! Damn nice guy, I always enjoy shooting against him!

[@letzgobrandon5007]

As a huge 6.5 Creedmoor fan I can confirm you need more for a mile. 300 PRC is a great choice.

[@fasnuf]

I was surprised that impacts weren't more visible.

[@SpaceFrawg]

Those Team Hornady shirts sure were perty and the shooters seemed to exude a lot of confidence :)

[@davidnash3417]

Just found your channel. Love it. Grew up in Fletcher. Now live really close to DuPont State Forest.

[@XRING]

Thanks David! I’m not too far from DuPont myself! 👍🏼

[@bryanduchane2371]

As always Ray: FIRST CLASS!!

[@HI-Velocity-]

man I see why Cortina calls it the 6.5 needs more.

[@dg1234ify]

It is a mile, come one.

[@HI-Velocity-]

It's a great cartridge if you stay within its limitations. I'm not a 6.5 hater. But like you said, it's a mile.

[@AKGuru4774]

I dislike 6.5CM, i just do. But it is a Mile with a short action cartridge, don’t expect it to do it unless your Mark&Sam (?) from Australia. It is a great sub 1100 caliber tho for new shooters or competitors.

[@ryanehlis426]

@@AKGuru4774mark and Sam are amazing

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

Agree. I would shoot .270Win over it any day.

[@561gingerninja]

How do I register? I'd love to suck at trying this.

[@joshuareuss2472]

Love it when this competition comes out!

[@Sagittariustoo]

Enjoyed the contest, thanks for the footage, Ray. 👍🏼

[@Pompomgrenade]

That's a great event, once again 👍🏾

[@ethancook2075]

This is awesome. The prizes were great too

[@Styggson]

Awsome episode. good stuff @X-RING

[@rosalindstewart7013]

Great episode Ray, cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺

[@bbdudeyt]

Great to hear they are coming back, I hope they will still support the g1 and g2 contenders.

[@conservativesniperhunter7439]

Another awesome 1 Mile challenge 😀👍.

[@Me-ur5fg]

Fantastic challenge, absolutely love it.

[@nobama3468]

That was awesome, just stumbled across the competition.

[@kevin6385]

Mr Sponsor! Those who brag always seem to fail

[@tl7593]

Great video, Ray!

[@XRING]

Thank you ! 🙏

[@jamesash5792]

Hard to believe that man was sponsored by all those big manufacturers... And never splashed dirt 😂

[@jamaalwilliams4923]

My man said what are you shooting, he said A GUN

[@XRING]

🤣

[@SweatyWelder68]

and the crowd said....YER DONE Bud!

[@eriknash8783]

And then proceeds to goose egg with a $15K machine

[@bch5513]

Got closer than the 6.5CMs 😆

[@NewbombedTurk]

Scottie Pippen got joke

[@andrewwilks2700]

I splurged and bought Conquest HD 8x42 binoculars and they are fantastic. If I ever win the lottery, I'll definitely buy a scope too.

[@bfdadventure]

Team Hornady shooters were so tense they were like dogs trying to shit a peach seed.

[@NunchucksHabit]

Got the Zeiss shirts, gifts & promo material. Got the spotting scope and officials to call it. Got all the streaming & presentation gear. Got all the competitors & all their gear. Got the Zeiss competition gifts. "Hey who brought the spray paint?..... guys?...Anyone have $7 to go to the hardware store?....."

[@markattila9835]

Lol same here

[@supermario5]

Phenomenal shooting! Super inspiring!

[@McgSpook]

vids getting better all the time, great job Ray!

[@genereed3029]

Nice to see a remington 700 representing. I just built 1 very similar to that 1.

[@senpaisylnsr5253]

Great job Joe!

[@Seanconnery1st]

Mr. Wilson’s 6.5 SAUM might have been too small of bore to spot shots? 30 Cals seemed to do fine from camera view. Fun line-up of shooters tho. Thank Ray!

[@hopewilliams6705]

I thought Joe the second guy was going to cold bore that sucker.... So close

[@MrZhaokuo1225]

6.5 CM 140 eldm factory load out of a gas gun is gonna drop 28-30mil at 1 mile. If that’s not insane enough, the windage with a touch of wind could go up to 2 mil, not to mention gas gun usually groups worse than the bolt gun. If that lady ever hits the target with that setup, she is the true winner of the game

[@terryenyart5838]

Long range to me was killing a ground hog @500 yards with my 22.250 Remington 700. A mile is insane 😮😅 I loved every minute and thank you for sharing. .338 Lapua is awesome!!

[@gunfunandstuff9226]

ground hog at 500yds is still a pretty good poke 👍

[@JasonKa1noa]

@X-RING great start to the series. One thing I’d like to see is a more standard/consistent list of questions asked regarding the rifles. Ie: chassis, action, barrel length, velocity, etc.

[@XRING]

Thanks Jason. I appreciate the feedback!

[@shibalseki8818]

Best series!

[@wanttopreach]

Ge, I did this same shot with my 303 British with a flip up stock site when I was 12 years old! I was instructed how to make the shot by my father who was a spotter that transmitted the aim info through his Navajo code talker to the off shore destroyers. He was the real soldier on the island of Sipan. Unlike the movie he lived to the age of 72.

[@Z33Garage]

6.5 at that distance I bet the bullets became hyper unstable due to passing subsonic. I love my 6.5 but it's the wrong tool for this particular range IMO. Fantastic episode!! Can't wait for the next

[@SigmaBallistics]

That’s mostly a myth, unless you are running the ragged edge of stability in the first place. The problem is the internet makes people think the creed is some magic cartridge. You cannot beat physics, large front surface area and heavy calibers will dominate beyond 1,000 everytime. A 6.5 anything has no business for any sort of serious work at a mile.

[@Z33Garage]

@@SigmaBallistics what is a myth? The bullet becoming unstable as it passed through the sound barrier as it slows down?? I have heard that heavier magnum rounds are effected less by this issue with lighter bullets.

[@SigmaBallistics]

@@Z33Garage it's a myth that most bullets will just become unstable and start tumbling upon transitioning into subsonic. This is rarely an issue, unless like I said, the bullet is very poorly stabilized in the first place. I doubt the issue with the 6.5's connecting to the mile target in this video was related to tumbling, just mostly lack of experience and a very poor choice for ELR.

[@Z33Garage]

@@SigmaBallistics ahh ok fair. I have heard from several KZbin LR guys that generally you want to stay within the sonic flight of the bullet for best effect. I agree the 6.5creedmor is probably not the best choice for a round for a mile compared to a magnum cartridge.

[@SigmaBallistics]

@@Z33Garage ideally you want to stay above mach 1.2, below that is when a little bit of transonic unpredictability occurs with ballistics solvers. Only workaround is a custom drag profile from a radar or some tweaking with DSF factor in the solver.....but with ELR you have no choice but to deal with it. Best workaround that we know of is a tried and true projectile that is known to transition well, and to up the stability to around an sg of around 2 (even up to 2.5-3 with solids). but yeah, the biggest thing in ELR is being able to spot your misses, this where the big 375-416 caliber projectiles really shine, they produce so much more splash than a 30 cal or even a 338 for that matter. the difference is massive. if you can't see where you last impacted you are just pissing in the wind.

[@rebelmind654]

Great video on why we have a max range and effective range.

[@brianswanson9881]

After the Black guy shot. Nobody made any scope corrections or adjustments. Only at the beginning they make adjustments. Interesting Video. Thanks X Ring.

[@XRING]

Thanks Brian and thanks for watching. Not everyone will dial the correction . Many shooters will hold the correction in the reticle if they spot the miss.

[@N3m3sls]

great shooting! love this challenge.

[@Vikingman2024]

Really kind of Rick Porter to give the binoculars to Sandra Orvig, nice! Hope they both do better next time, "A" for effort.

[@mrawesomeness8558]

ooooooh,embarrassing for team Hornady! 😂 Not even a puff!

[@jeffreypelletier7247]

“ let me just close the bolt before i even get down on the gun” great trigger finger discipline also.. i hate to be that guy in the comments section but dang for a “pro” shooter that’s interesting

[@emorelix]

Rick was extremely cringe to watch. The guy just looks like he is about to scream.

[@lukewarm_fuzz]

that was rough

[@ericrumpel3105]

I wasn't gonna say anything,.....BUT !!!!,.....Totally have to agree !!!!.....who needs lessons/training/practice ?????!!!!!!!!!!

[@jeffreypelletier7247]

@@ericrumpel3105 right!! The finger in the trigger well was the worst for me I run some pretty light triggers and he was moving around a bunch an I’m just waiting for an ND

[@hood182ie]

absolute horror show

[@dannydivine7699]

I really never realized how few rounds will stay supersonic at a mile 300 PRC and 338 LPM are about the only factory loads making the trip, and they're just barley do'in it (using Hornady Match numbers)

[@AKGuru4774]

The Norma and RUM stays pretty good out to that distance as well. Hard to beat any of the big 4 magnums in distance and maintaining super sonic

[@Thekodezone]

The 6.5 prc will stay super out to a mile and has less recoil than 300 prc, 300 wm or 338. It actually outperforms the 300prc and 300wm past 500m. I'm not sure about the 338 I'd have to look into it.

[@unsafe_at_any_speed]

The 338/378 Weatherby has the juice but nobody seems to shoot it anymore

[@Thekodezone]

​@@unsafe_at_any_speedcause 6.5 prc can get the job done at a mile. Past that, 338

[@dannydivine7699]

@@Thekodezone Per my original post, using FACTORY Hornady ammo numbers the 147 gr Hornady Match 6.5 PRC calculated with ShootersCalculator using a G7 bc of .351 and a muzzel velocity of 2910 (all from Hornady website) the 6.5 PRC will go transonic at 1700 yard, 60 yards short of a mile!!!

[@DonaldHelms-c3m]

Absolute fantastic viewing for an old man

[@waldemarb.3108]

Great work!

[@charlesmullins3238]

Forgot to talk about that awsome zeco scope…way cool rifles here ray

[@XRING]

Full review coming on that rifle! 👍🏼

[@jillianmccauley1308]

Im loving all the South Cakalakis on this episode

[@MattDonkin430]

The number one thing I learned from this video... Don't take a 6.5 Creed to a 1 -mile challenge.

[@patrickgjorven7832]

Watch episode 1.

[@desmodreamer86]

Watch episode 2

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

6.5 is just fine. These people don’t know their dope.

[@Everythingallthetime666]

I did the 1 mile milk jug challenge in Utah with a 6.5 grendel! That's right a grendel, the video is on KZbin, see for yourself.

[@MrGsteele]

Crosswinds are a bugaboo - not only does a crosswind at any point on the flight path deflect the bullet, but if the crosswind is consistent, it continues accelerating the bullet laterally the longer the bullet flight, so that the dispersion grows both angularly and dynamically with distance, in a horizontal arc. Hats off to long-range shooters.

[@swheeler6848]

Heat waves and a good breeze…impressive to have these hits. I don’t think I could hit a barn door with my 556…

[@lawrencelewis1036]

The juice isn't worth the squeeze, when shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor at a mile. No shame in trying though!

[@patrickgjorven7832]

A guy actually pulled it off in episode 1.

[@desmodreamer86]

He did it in Episode 2 with a 6.5 CM, 40 degree weather and rain. Also shot a sub moa 3 shot group low left of the target.

[@Pompomgrenade]

Mr. Porter has a heat sink on his barrel 🤔 .. Nice

[@davegreenleaf5272]

That’s a JP rifles thing always wondered how much it actually helped on AR barrels.

[@LTLC]

This was a fun video. My suggestions for the future, please have their rounds fired in the corner highlighted with red for misses, and green for hits. As well as possibly reduce the size of the bullet impact dots as they are a bit obtrusive on the screen when the other impacts in the dirt are landing.

[@drubradley8821]

Well done Sir!!!!

[@Helcat338]

Great show

[@robertm8401]

Looks like a first time for a gas 6.5🔥

[@bradkoehler5814]

Ive shot 1 mile with my 28 Nosler. Nosler brass,Federal Rifle Magnum primers with 81 grains of Retumbo and 180 grain Berger VLDs

[@hesa3656]

Thank You Sir, participants, sponsors! 👍🇺🇲

[@thebryguy96]

Why do shooters think a 6.5 cm with factory loads is capable of shooting these distances and why would they shoot on camera without knowing their dope? Some of the 300 and 338 shooters were impressive.

[@JerrBearTactical]

👆What he said

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

Even 6.5 factory is definitely capable of getting out there consistently enough, but it did look like these guys had no dope or even no experience at that range at all. Might be shooting into space or into the dirt. Kind of embarrassing. Not sure why they volunteered for this.😅

[@andym436]

I’ve hit 1 mile on that range with a 6.5CM. It wasn’t the MOA target but the larger target on the right.

[@jasonsponsler21]

Nothing wrong with 6.5cm if you know what your doing

[@camonly849]

Yes, I think the 6.5 shooters were inexperienced at this and the factory hornadys are just not the best. They're actually quite slow. Berger 140s would have definitely been better.

[@t_qwheezzyy]

I thought this range looked super familiar. I have been to that range before. If you have the chance, yall should go. It's a great range with some really talented instructors.

[@muffins4tots]

6.5 CM really struggles at this distance, so difficult to see where the shots are landing. Good shooting everyone!

[@fraserlordly2432]

The first guy is a comedian. how could he look more amatuer and not prepared for the first 45 seconds, and then still get the job done. Inwas acutally laughing it was so funny.

[@Paintballguru92]

I love that Zeiss polo

[@XRING]

Thank you. 🙏

[@chrismuncey3861]

I've been waiting for this !!!!

[@XRING]

Me too ! 😄

[@lweleven3423]

You are so lucky in the US to be able to do this kinda of thing . Can’t even carry a knife in the UK

[@jamesrae5351]

Your statement is incorrect. Do some research before posting.

[@BernardHope-f5z]

Did Mr “I Have Sponsors and a Training Company” even hit the berm?

[@williamsonnie9935]

No but he closed the bolt and had a finger on the trigger before being on target… Probably not seeking a class from him…

[@leadcloud]

​@@williamsonnie9935read this comment before getting to him, and I was expecting like, closing the bolt while still hunting for the target through glass. Closing the bolt before even getting on the gun, and then finger on the trigger while getting settled and adjusted is wild

[@frenchonion4595]

Said he would do a 6 out 5 too what a goof

[@ChainsawFPV]

Should do a series where people can come in and pick from a selection of rifles, then compete. NOT bring their own. There are a lot of people that can shoot, but do not have access to the tools. I was top shot in my company in the Army, and would love to try some long distance target practice, but I can not afford to buy a rifle of that quality.

[@namenotfound8747]

You're one of those guys that's still paying off some mustang off with 30% interest? All these years later? I've seen a motivated Marine or two hit a mile with a out of the box Howa M1500 Hogue 7MM PRC 24" bolt-action and a Arken riflescope and Amazon Harris bipod knockoff all in for less then 1000, 900 when on sale.

[@ChainsawFPV]

@@namenotfound8747 I own everything I have. Mustangs are junk. I was Army, 1st Cav unit. Spent most of my time rescuing Marines. And I have no interest in your 900 dollar Amazon junk. Use that 900 to go buy a clue. P.S. Thats a great channel you have there. What are you, 12?

[@namenotfound8747]

@@ChainsawFPV Nice story, when I was in Fallujah, Sangin and Ramadi, the only thing army did for me was blue on blue cause your infantry would shoot first and verify later. Sometimes we would find lost serialized gear like M-4s and NVGs the army would lose. Your officers loved coming to get them from us. In Ramadi after a few Marines took the city, we handed it over to the army only for the army to lose it , So once again a few Marines assisting CIA, Task Force Green , Nightstalkers and DEVGRU had to take it again. Long story short I remembered calling the navy and Air Force well before the conventional army forces. Usually army dogs where in the rear with the gear trying to dick down the married female soldiers, and eating McDonalds and getting fat. That's the army most doorkickers in my beloved corps know. As far as the rifle I was talking about, you sure are army, only a solider would think they need a 7-15k set up for a mile long shot. Must be nice having logistics. As for Marines, we adapt.

[@ChainsawFPV]

@@namenotfound8747 You are so full of yourself, you don't even get the point of the original post. Your average person does not have 15-20 grand to spend on a rifle, or have miles of property where its safe to shoot. Giving a person with less, an opportunity to do more. You need a hobby........

[@namenotfound8747]

@@ChainsawFPV As someone who owns guns that cost 100-20,0000 dollars my point was even if you're on a budget, with the right training and self discipline, you can spend 900-1000 dollars on a budget setup, that while not as neat as FN Ballista or Barrett MRAD with a Night Force scope, it can give you results at 1 mile because I, and others have done it using factory ELD ammo. You just dismissed it, thinking you need crazy setups which you mentioned twice now which speaks to how ill-informed and lack of formal training you have on the subject. If I'm full of myself what does that make you? Never in 20 years the USMC have the words, "I saved ..." , ever come out my mouth. My pretty sure the word "I" is illegal in the world I come from. Carry on soilder.

[@doityourself2save]

I was thinking about a 6.5 creedmoor once upon a time 😂

[@toast47624]

Excellent advise Joe.

[@SexyplexiGT]

Damn I thought that was Scottie pippen

[@impressiveink]

Get it Dwayne!

[@andrewstoll4548]

With how the 6.5 Creeds did just like with Cars there is no replacement for displacement.

[@Mountainghost72]

6.5 Needmore, not sure why these guys would use that caliber for that far of a distance , I would think they are all pretty knowledgeable & shoot a lot, but I really don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just a hunter

[@MontanaWild78]

I would love to try this just for fun.

[@tmurray1972]

I was pulling for my man with the 300 magnum.

[@johnguerra2172]

1000 yards with a 303 (.311) open sights. Queen's prize marksman.

[@XRING]

Definitely doable with the 303 at only 1000. That’s a chip shot even for irons but still very, very respectable! 👍🏼

[@johnguerra2172]

@@XRING Thank you Sir.

[@griddletakes1005]

Reading some of the comments, I realize that we have PRS shooters who enjoy their own rules and breaking them whenever they can and then there’s three gun shooters we don’t shoot long range. The 65 Creedmoor is not a extended long range gun. Let’s be fair it is clear that the shooters using it, we’re doing it to use their sponsors equipment regardless of the outcome. Also, I hear some of the shooters we’re not all following the same set of rules.

[@jacobdeem8187]

I love it!!

[@DutchKC9UOD]

This would be a fun challenge! 😎

[@rodmcisaac3]

Being a non shooter (at the moment) I conclude the small 6.5 is just too small to see impacts and may be a poor choice for this competition.

[@LRRPFco52]

There's a guy who did the LRSU Milk Jug challenge with a 22" 6.5 Grendel AR-15 on 3rd shot at 1500yds. I couldn't believe it but he did it. Much higher altitude though at 6300ft. He 1st-round connected with his 7mm SAUM after just turning the barrel on too, at either 1500 or a mile. They have video of all if it.