Ep.35 | Meghan, Diana and Wallis - The Royal Outsiders

Ep.35 | Meghan, Diana and Wallis - The Royal Outsiders - with Andrew Morton

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@mrs.herculepoirot7763 11 ай бұрын

I'm so happy to see you gentlemen back. I greatly appreciate that you share your knowledge in these wonderful videos. Being an LA girl, born and bred, I've known too many people who want to be actors and a failing actress looking at forty was not a good bet for the royal family. After Meghan used up her dad's and her husband's connections to get work she dumped them as they were no longer of any use to her. She wanted to be famous and Harry was her golden ticket. She and Harry thought they were better, more popular and smarter than the rest of the RF and when they didn't get every thing they wanted they left thinking they could set up a court in LA and become filthy rich in the process. It was quite stupid of them as Hollywood likes stars and Harry was number six and fading fast and absolutely no one likes people who lie and complain about their grandparents as they are dying.

@lynnhubbard844 11 ай бұрын

aren't you tired of this sos blahblahblah?

@philmcraig 11 ай бұрын

Thank you we’re very happy to be back!

@sherapontaoe3214 Ай бұрын

Wonderful talk from Andrew Morton. Thank you Scandal Mongers for another great podcast!

@TinaJesse859 11 ай бұрын

Made me LOL when Phil said someone had left a comment saying they’re “dishy” and Andrew said “is she just listening” lol. Much more shows please!

@gingerroot8906 4 ай бұрын

That was hilarious! I think she meant juicy or gossipy, though.

@c0n_w0 4 ай бұрын

Great videos. Hidden gems. Thank you.

@gingerroot8906 4 ай бұрын

It's hard to get past Mr. Morton's posit that Meghan was just following Harry's lead and didn't know what getting into the Royal Family would entail. True enough but Meghan was on a mission for wealth and fame. There are many examples of her not wanting to know how things worked. Meghan turned down the invitations from both Catherine and Sophie to assist her. Sam Cohen had it right. She didn't want to be a happy working royal. Her and Harry were planning to leave from the beginning and did so in the worst way. It's hard to listen to Mr. Morton knowing this.

@valerieackroyd 11 ай бұрын

I feel it’s best to just say that Meghan wasn’t a good fit for the monarchy or for the UK itself. And vice versa. That’s not a criticism of either party-Meghan wasn’t cut out for a constitutional monarchy and she’s still a California girl and much happier there. And I think, in the main, the UK is happy with the monarchy as it exists (at least the people who support the monarchy). So, aside from the vitriol and nastiness from both camps, Meghan (and Harry’s) departure from the RF is a win for both sides and both will ultimately be much happier for it. And Andrew Morton, please stop with comparing Diana of the past to modern circumstances. It doesn’t really work with the other two women being discussed as both were outside of the UK (Meghan and Wallis) and both were much older than Diana. Different kind of outsiders, but Meghan and Wallis have much more in common.

@philmcraig 11 ай бұрын

Very much agree about Meghan!

@nancyv6269 8 ай бұрын

It would be a win, and both sides would be happier, if M&H would shut up and stop attacking his family.

@sandragoss48 3 ай бұрын

@nancyv6269 I would suggest you model the behavior you would like from others, please.

@rebeccadonovan934 10 ай бұрын

It is easy to say that Megan had to give it all up, but actually, she was told she could continue acting and by marrying into the family she was elevated to a new status, and as for no clue again we have been told that she does her homework and is very diligent at doing reasurch yet did not do in this case, I just don't believe it. She has spun a lot of stories that have turned out to be not correct. I am not going with Andrew on this one.

@gingerroot8906 4 ай бұрын

And her agents could not find her acting work. She had aged out of the "starlet"period without developing any real believability as an actress. She was warned that work was drying up.

@brianpollard4350 3 ай бұрын

Your Wallis and Meghan comparisons are ridiculous, and your general appraisal of Meghan's character is ill-formed. Further research would certainly be advised.

@rebeccadonovan934 3 ай бұрын

@brianpollard4350 that may be your opinion, and you are entitled to it as am I. As for reasurch, maybe you should speak to the Scandal Mongers and see if you can go onto the show as you seem to be so well sourced compared to everyone else.

@sherapontaoe3214 Ай бұрын

I think I’ll go with the professional who researches & authors books for a living…

@Peter-ov6xh 10 ай бұрын

This episode has just been mentioned in a Daily Mail article about the late Queen's private papers, just so you know.

@philmcraig 10 ай бұрын

cool!

@Kate-mm3uf 10 ай бұрын

Totally disagree with Andrew on MM. He should know better. She has played Harry, herself knowing full well she was a very ordinary actress and needed to climb the ladder before her clock ran out. She did a good job of it too, and this will absolutely not end well, especially for him.

@gerrylbucci292 10 ай бұрын

You guys are GREAT⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

@philmcraig 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Gerry

@user-xq4yr7xu1z 3 ай бұрын

Meghan didn't give being in the Royal Family a chance. I'm sure that there was racism directed toward Meghan though not from the RF. What an opportunity for Meghan to stand her ground as a biracial woman and show the UK and the rest of the world she was not going to be intimidated or be run off. What an example that would have been. As an American, I was disappointed at H&M's choice to leave the RF.

@user-xq4yr7xu1z 3 ай бұрын

I think that whole thing about curtysing to the Queen was a prank instigated by Harry. The late Queen was a diplomat. She understood about different cultures and she would have known that Americans do not curtsy. I'm sure the Queen would have graciously shaken Meghan's hand.

@moonbeep641 2 ай бұрын

There are always 3 sides to every story. His, hers and somewhere in the middle is the truth.

@pinkcarnation231 10 ай бұрын

Just found you, have subscribed and love your fascinating episodes!

@philmcraig 10 ай бұрын

Many thanks!

@philmcraig 10 ай бұрын

Oh and may I ask how you heard about us please?

@pinkcarnation231 10 ай бұрын

One of your podcasts came up in my KZbin feed I can't believe it's taken this long for it to do so!

@philmcraig 10 ай бұрын

Thanks@@pinkcarnation231

@pinkcarnation231 10 ай бұрын

I shared you to a particular group on Facebook that should be very interested in your podcasts

@BlueInk912 8 ай бұрын

Would love to have heard Andrew talk about Queen Mary! Is it available on any platform?

@philmcraig 8 ай бұрын

Oh I will ask him

@philmcraig 8 ай бұрын

He says no! But recommends this Queen Mary by James Pope-Hennessy

@BlueInk912 8 ай бұрын

@@philmcraig wow! Thank you Phil for your responses! Congratulations for breaking through 3000 YTube subscriptions. 🎉 Best regards fm Cape Town ZA🇿🇦

@philmcraig 8 ай бұрын

One of my favourite cities!@@BlueInk912

@avm9647 3 ай бұрын

Would Diana have been so adored if she had not been so pretty ?

@lizziestevenson1908 3 ай бұрын

She poo poo'd all help she was offered saying she didnt need it because she had Harry. First mistake.

@moonbeep641 2 ай бұрын

Was Rachel really a "successful" actress? If D list and the go-to when a nobody willing to get their gear off was needed, then I suppose she could be deemed successful.

@lynnhubbard844 11 ай бұрын

While Andrew is in So. Cal., are we assuming that he will get together with Harry and Meghan? Does Harry have any problems about the book Andrew wrote on his mother? I really hope he does spend time with Meghan for his book.

@Peter-ov6xh 11 ай бұрын

I'm always confused when I hear how Meghan was a breath of fresh air and a refreshing innovation, etc. We didn't hear much from her before and during her very brief royal career, so I can't see how one could form this impression of her. Is it just another way of saying that she has some black ancestry?

@edithfisher4098 11 ай бұрын

Some..she is Black, just like President Obama is. He was our 1st BLACK President. Meghan is black, even if she wants to identify as white. Very sad, be proud of who you are.🎉

@gingerroot8906 4 ай бұрын

Yes, embracing a "minority"into the bosom of the royal family brought them up to the current decade of what many families look like. The Queen made her and Harry President and Vice President of the Commonwealth Trust. A bi-racial influence had potential to be massively beneficial.

@Peter-ov6xh 4 ай бұрын

@gingerroot8906 Mixed-race families are not the majority, and the royal family doesn't have to reflect the majority in the first place.

@TinaJesse859 11 ай бұрын

Am I the only one who gets annoyed with Phil and Andrew when each show ends??

@geraldinegaynor1360 4 ай бұрын

I’m another one who came across your program after Lady C s latest interview an have been trolling through your past talks. In regards to Megan, It would be great if you could put out a questionair on what people thought about her at the beginning, when their attitude changed, do they hate her or not, their age and if they are male or female. I think more dislike her than men. I know you’re busy men but do you know a Uni student who could do this ? It would be interesting.

@dhjdmba5684 11 ай бұрын

I disagree with Andrew - I think Megxit was really about how badly they both acted and their total inability to tackle any kind of work.

@philmcraig 11 ай бұрын

Inclined to agree with Valentine Low about that myself, but it’s good to get a different view and Andrew Morton knows his stuff !

@valerieackroyd 11 ай бұрын

I think it was a culture clash. I do agree with Morton when he said that Meghan didn’t know her lines, wasn’t prepared. But, when you consider she was an actress and “strong woman” who had spent her life “knowing her lines”, why DIDN’T she? Why on earth would she marry into a family she supposedly knew nothing about-she wasn’t a young woman, she was in her 30s. She had her own successful life. She’d lived in Canada for many years, a country where the monarchy is as much on people’s celebrity radar as Hollywood is. She was fully able to, before they married, have negotiated with a head-over-heels Harry on what she really wanted. That she on the face of it didn’t do it, that she was gobsmacked and blindsided, just never rang true for the savvy kind of woman Meghan always portrays herself to be.

@avm9647 3 ай бұрын

I wonder why she seems so shallow and silly and unaware when I hear how successful she was in her youth

@betsy9449 11 ай бұрын

Stop blaming the Royal Households .. the issue is American values marring into a family from another country. This is culture clashes. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink it.

@margaretsmist7140 9 ай бұрын

I’m American and this is about narcissism and not American values.

@nancyv6269 8 ай бұрын

Megan Markle does NOT represent American values!! Culture clash indeed, between liberal, woke, southern California, Hollywood, greed vs. tradition, duty, discretion, dignity, loyalty to family.

@MarianneOz 2 ай бұрын

It’s a trap that normal people can fall into - assuming normal behaviour and responses because that is their world view. If you know disordered personalities you can see what is ‘off’ about Markle. Harry is dim, and possibly traumatised, but she is dangerous. There is nothing benign about her actions as we can judge. Must be lovely to gone through life without being in the company of a personality disorder! Everyone gave her the benefit of the doubt until we could no longer ignore the red flags.

@lizziestevenson1908 3 ай бұрын

Lady c reckons Mr Morton wrote the very one sided book Diana wanted and she wrote the 'correct' version. Perhapsvthats why he didnt go along with Diana's preferred title.

@lizziestevenson1908 3 ай бұрын

How do you 'learn' to drink tea? Milk first or last?

@gwenmendez6887 4 ай бұрын

How was it Harry’s own doing when he said he left bc his manipulative wife told him she wanted to end her life?

@nancyv6269 9 ай бұрын

I usually enjoy your well done videos but could only stand 10 minutes of Andrew's lack of objectively about Megan Markle.

@philmcraig 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Nancy. But which Andrew do you mean?

@nancyv6269 8 ай бұрын

@@philmcraig Andrew Morton! Thanks for clarifying.

@jilltagmorris 7 ай бұрын

❤😊❤

@katemyer1955 5 ай бұрын

It’s an interviewing view, but I think it’s kind of misogynistic to assume that women are naive, delicate, victims that can’t be accountable for their own actions. Wallis, Diana, and Megan are all just hapless victims of the cruel, cruel world. They are neither saints, nor demons, just like everybody else. I don’t know why it’s a shock that Wallis & Megan are seen as interlopers by the public. Both of their husbands had a long standing relationship with the public, good reputations, they got married and then appeared to do a 180*. The public view is that things were good until the marriage. How is that such a mysterious concept?

@philmcraig 5 ай бұрын

Interesting point. In the Diana episode (2) I talk about how Diana had a lot more knowledge of the world she was entering that many others - maybe including herself! - would later say. A shy sad ingenue she was not! And that for some years of the marriage she partially did accept a classic ‘arrangement’ with Charles that was then blown apart forever by the tapes.

@katemyer1955 5 ай бұрын

Yes! I enjoyed that episode. I found it fascinating, and the antithesis of the common narrative, to understand how much exposure Diana had to the life she chose. If you haven’t done an episode on the Wendy Berry book, it would be a great topic. Or maybe a broader topic would be books the royals or top politicians fought to keep quiet.

@philmcraig 4 ай бұрын

@@katemyer1955 Only just seen this comment, Kate and yes, what a good idea! Thanks

@judehardman146 24 күн бұрын

She would not have listened.She knows best always.You will not criticise Morton, because she is a golden cow.

@sandragoss48 3 ай бұрын

God Bless all those who marry into the Royal Family. Their chances of surviving is slim to none unless they do only what they are told and expect nothing in return.