Ep 512 - White Prisoner's Dilemma (feat. Jared Klickstein)

[@mattandshanessecretpodcast9138]

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[@Eulogy466]

No one is going to see lemaire

[@jordanjae]

Just do a new pod with Billy. Shane doesn't deserve any money. He's lazy and I hate him now. He used to be cool, now he's just chunky and dorky and cant even grow a beard.

[@isaiahmoore7125]

Just ordered the book. Magnificent pod fellas! Honest, hilarious, enlightening, relatable and no doubt very beneficial to many so people struggling.

[@Dondada-pb3ix]

Jesus..

[@randomdude189]

This sucks

[@steeliewheelies]

Matt’s well-known podcast

[@Musicalchores]

Make Matt Podcast in publicwashrooms again

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Patt and Gains: Overt Podcast Classico

[@ONECHAIR_]

😂😂

[@AmyWinehouseBabyDaddy]

TOO TRUE

[@nicklee723]

Shane's hard at work for the dawgz. Have no fear.

[@jamie0193]

Train by day Matt’s secret podcast by night All day

[@toastedt140]

All night!

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Alright alright alright

[@abdulg4762]

@@jamie0193 I’m not surprised mutha*****s

[@ayepursin395]

MSSP by day, WM by night, Stuff Island!

[@danielkennedy1778]

Find your own personality

[@noahpcook1]

Shane's too busy being a superstar and the Shaman is over here doing all of the heavy lifting with dickwheel inventors and homeless writers.

[@spikedmo]

Cut Shane some slack that Bud light commercial was really funny and not gay.

[@noahpcook1]

​@@spikedmoit was the straightest commercial ever made. The NFL promo on the other hand...

[@PurpleHazeVanNederlands]

Matt is the GOAT

[@noahpcook1]

​@@PurpleHazeVanNederlandsonly a GOAT can produce a Baby Billy as a little bro.

[@William2Firearms]

@@noahpcook1Just to clarify, Matt did or did not give birth to 🌈💵?

[@Plad0-1-2]

Shane told us he was going out for milk and cigarettes and the dawgs are just sitting by the door wondering when daddy’s coming home

[@InspectorButters4]

HE'S COMING BACK!!!! HE PROMISED!!! 😭😭😭 🤣🤣🤣

[@FatdogBlues]

He went out for tyres

[@HunterBurgess95]

Yeah he said he just had to change the tyres…now me and mom are homeless

[@jarnold1789]

Tires season 2 will be worth it, dawgs. Stay strong

[@jacobschulte5780]

Lmaoo real

[@acegames123090]

matt and matt’s secret mattcast let’s go

[@ADHDSophia]

😭😂😂😭😂

[@BobCobb-wf1ju]

@@acegames123090 this matt should interveiw shanes real friend matt.. the one working hard on his tv show.... boom

[@altarec123]

This feels like JRE 7 years ago when Joe wasn't all wrapped up in politics. Matt is a really great conversationalist and is super interested in pretty much everything and everyone. At first I wasnt sure about those "no Shane" podcast but this fills a hole that i didn't know i had in my podcasts rotation.

[@tictactony225]

Watch the recent Duncan Trussel Family Hour with Matt! Great balance of nonsense and genuine conversation

[@rickybobby2789]

That’s hole as in homie

[@melvynwalker5197]

Podcast rotation sounds so fucking gay

[@altarec123]

@@rickybobby2789 oups thanks

[@altarec123]

@@melvynwalker5197 true

[@JaredMakes]

I got my wife pregnant after your show in Denver, my baby is blessed by the shaman

[@BookerT69]

Busssssit

[@juspete5527]

Get a dna test brother

[@Fivelivestevo]

How was that nut

[@crd88918]

shammaculate conception

[@milehimessiah]

@@BookerT69 I live in Aurora brother. We are getting abducted by Venezuelan gang members as i type this. Praise be to the dawgz

[@jordangaudio6729]

This guy was actually pretty humorous. I enjoyed this podcast. He's clearly got a really good head on his shoulders after everything he's been through

[@RyanCaron1989]

Definitely!

[@billyc9628]

I bought and read Jared's book off Matt's recommendation. Seriously one of my favorite books of all time, as an addict myself I could relate a ton and his rawness was a breath of fresh air. All love to this dude.

[@invntiv]

yeah he seems like such a great dude. super self aware, the type of person you want to surround yourself with post-addiction. i have a similar background

[@madtown8788]

Matt should totally have Shane Gillis on his podcast. I think he’d be a great guest

[@JacksonMack3742]

The dawgs are shitting in the house at this point Edit: one of my favorite guests. didnt think I had a serious problem next thing ya know "man I really relate to this gentleman's story"

[@JeLLoCowboy]

Why sir

[@mattstein3332011]

@@JeLLoCowboy the boss is gone the food chain has reset time to act up

[@arkitecwashere]

The CIA has also summoned a demon to live in my closet. I play ceremonial flutes at 432 Hz to keep it at bay.

[@jarnold1789]

Don’t let the boogeyman get you, dawg

[@bradleymeek3127]

Whatever you do, do not, under any circumstances start playing the shofar. 😳

[@helladaniel]

Did you say your selling flutes on ebay? I need a new one. Blew mine out.

[@GooberGunkThe3rd-ik2tl]

You need to trop at it, demons dont like torping.

[@gimpystimpy5304]

“and i had a public defender that was probably on methadone.” yea that all adds up.

[@bryan89fowler]

I really liked this guest and how he meshed well with Matt. His vibe was very chill and he carrys a interesting conversation. 10/10!

[@redbirdindustry5864]

Thanks I’m in recovery and I love hearing success stories.

[@HapuiLand]

shouts out to you bro major ups

[@chugbudjoe69]

Keep going

[@danielkennedy1778]

Bro I guarantee this guy was high during this. Hes a total creep. If someone’s actually in recovery theyre not gonna go and advertise/reminisce on it on a podcast. I bet he will try to shill a “recovery program” and some point too and Matt is gullible enough to believe it. Also he forsure did some weirdo shit when he was on meth. They all do. This pod sucks now.

[@itsmeagain966]

Best of luck dawg

[@des5748]

Relapsed today. Feeling pretty good so far.

[@bdk95420]

Feels like JRE but better. Matt is a great interviewer and still manages to make me laugh every couple minutes at least. I’m enjoying this

[@Cocoa1million]

Please let Matt voice every character that isn’t Jared in the audiobook

[@metalface9463]

I was just going to say that. Have the shaman read the book or help. H

[@josephknowles124]

I got 3 years, this dude talks about the solution to addiction and alcoholism as well as I’ve ever heard it. Definitely gonna grab a copy of your book. Thanks for the pod shaman

[@nellyb1594]

Holy shit. His story is so insanely close to mine. Except i wasnt in Cali. Coming up on 4 years clean from heroin/fent and meth. Still struggle with auditory hallucinations every day. Have to sleep with a headphone in every night. I really appreciate him sharing his story. Im excited to read the book

[@Gumbercules001]

Glad you got better brother

[@Truth-io5lz]

I shot heroin and meth for years and I’m coming up on around 10 years soon. I seen and heard stuff using too and I’m glad it stopped after I quit. Lol, but I did think “they” we’re still after me for a few years afterward though. Life’s great now and I barely even think about it unless it’s brought up anymore. It’s almost like it was a dream or someone else now, it’s hard to explain

[@raydawg6364]

Jared was a great guest on Lil Stinkers. Glad to see him on here as well. Much love boys!

[@patshanleymusic]

Only true dawgs will remember this guy named Shane Gillis who used to be on this podcast

[@Calzaghe83]

Yah, he's filming Tires. He produced the first season with his own money.

[@NoPe-n1j]

@@Calzaghe83nah he used my money that I paid to support him back when he used to do podcasts

[@damondriver6363]

@@NoPe-n1j mine too!

[@iuploadulike]

RIP Shane can't believe he left the podcast

[@HunterBurgess95]

Heard he got offed by exposing drake. RIP

[@lowe-nm2yd]

His eyes finally merged. Audio only from now on boys.

[@john_hourihan]

He got fired

[@blaklbl88]

Holy shit! Damn man wonder what happened

[@tom435tom]

Joe biden assassinated him

[@zagee_2034]

like Theo Vons pod when he’ll bring on a sanitation worker.. our shaman found a reformed skid row resident. sick 🤘🏽

[@capoff4404]

Matt solo hosting is just what I need. Praise the DAWGs

[@randomdude189]

It’s not great

[@MarioFrare13]

Crazy how this episode was funnier and more interesting than 90% of the ones that have ‘comedians’ as the guest

[@iiyrscjukudsvhgitdcbh]

those in words are scared to smoke crack

[@jackmccarron4722]

Solid guest. Matt's a solid solo interviewer

[@FireflyTea]

One of the best pods ive ever watched Matt! I relate n have a similar story about mtself as well, struggled w drug addiction my whole life so this really hit home.

[@GS-kj6ur]

Did Lemaire mess up the first upload?

[@BookerT69]

What color is he brother

[@idiyahhhmean6666]

I thought I was tripping😂

[@brandonsfliming]

Yea there was no Ad in the first one

[@A-Kings-Cut]

Haha

[@dankestranch8738]

Yes

[@campaigner8549]

I cannot believe the DAWGZ have full on girlbrain while our beautiful Big Kahuna is perfecting his craft for Tires season 2. This is what us COVID era dawgz wanted; the boys to be well fed and happy. Stop crying, throw on some 432hz, and upgrade to tier 2 thinking asap.

[@Joaquin-bz3ec]

After all these years Matt still manages tu put up absolute bangers of pods, master

[@hausmell]

this one was too real man i loved it. some of those stories brought me right back to those addicted days. this pod could help people siphon through they're feelings on addiction. great show

[@metalface9463]

Matt is slowly becoming the best podcaster in the world

[@fredrickmiller6534]

Shane's busy butt chugging bud lights with Dylan Mulbaney.. but the shaman's voice is all I need.

[@ULTRAVISTA.]

😂 yooo

[@randomdude189]

Shaman isn’t what man is

[@abdulg4762]

The shaman always knows when we need our prayers answered.

[@BobbyBundlez]

i'm a recovering fentanyl, meth, and crackhead. I never got to the homeless prison phase but I was ONE step away. I was shooting drugs daily with the most insane homeless people. I am now a frontend programmer with two daughters. If you met me you would have NO idea I had a past like this... which is why I can't stand the assumptions made about addicts. This dude seems super smart and awesome. Inspires me to stay clean one more day

[@10oner]

Ur still a bad person. No1 is proud of u

[@snowfrosty1]

Stay clean cuz it's the good, proper, just & cool thing to do. Stop being a junkie homie, simple as 🙏🏽. You got this 💪

[@WingZero1]

I like how Shane pretends he does not have 1 hour per week to talk to his Best Friend

[@kylegordy113]

Bro i literally had this exact thought an hour ago while listening 🤣 like bro its literally an hour a week that u can do remote cmon 🤣🤣🤣

[@kevooooo]

If only there was some sort of technology that allows one to do some sort of video calling

[@finn8489]

Let the dawg fly

[@bigben42]

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, just let it happen

[@wizardmoto]

Not just that, but dude I've flown to different states for a weekend pretty regularly and I make dog shit money. A multifuckinmillionaire can't afford $236 on SouthWest to come down once a week??? Word.

[@autoCHADsoftware]

This guy has an amazing sense of humor. More podcasts like this please.

[@thebossman2010]

Shane's giving us the 'ol,: Next week, I promise champ.

[@ajsburner]

Yo Jared is a dope guest. It was so nice I listened twice. Thanks Jared for putting your shit out there, I'm closing in on one month sober and I just bought your book. Bless the Sham for solo pods

[@harry.palmer8129]

Matt is definitely on TRT. He even rolled up his sleeve to welcome everyone to the gun show.

[@Rogerkonijntje]

heard that.

[@learntoswim9050]

He should steel LOS's intro for one ep. welcome to the gun show

[@user-ch7ni2vh2e]

Matt is seriously getting good at running the show by himself. This was one of the best ones he’s done solo. Blessed be the dawgs✊

[@ZanarkandIsntReal]

43:00 In philosophy this is called Egoism vs Altruism. It's basically the fundamental Ethical dichotomy.

[@chubsdubs279]

I've been struggling with addiction on and off for 10 years now finally in a place where I have some hope this podcast was great

[@datboyrunningotellem]

Jared a dawg. Former stray that found his foster fam. Book bought 🤲📖

[@Time2change6]

I could have definitely listened to this 4 hours. He was a great guest I love when Matt dives in with dudes like this.

[@lostinthe2strokesmoke]

Yo Matty these style pods with ex addicts or your prison buddy are always interesting. Keep em comin bro 👍

[@northrndisordr9219]

Are you talking about the whole old school one from years ago?

[@cwoodsoldier750]

This was one of my favorite pods ever. This dude is my favorite ex addict. It's educational, really.

[@cameronwatson9423]

i’m about 10 minutes in, and i would like to say to jared (hopefully you see this) that i usually can’t stand listening to addicts talk about their addiction and an addict because people make it sound different but i already love your approach and message. thank you for doing what you’re doin and making it enjoyable to listen to. i will be on the lookout for your book now.

[@cameronwatson9423]

**as an addict

[@TheViceAge]

I see it, brother. This is Jared. Thank you for the kind words. Yeah man I just try to be honest and funny and humble about it all. Being super serious and self-obsessive about addiction is usually boring and not a very productive way to shed light on it. Hope you enjoy the book!

[@Truth-io5lz]

@@TheViceAgeI did the same with shooting heroin/meth and was the regular looking “white guy” that talked to the police too, lol. Tell your buddies that believe you did more than get tickled that drugs feel really really good but not that good. Nothing is good, lol

[@sagedotson542]

I am a huge Shane and Matt fan. But I really enjoy his interview pods. I just feel like they have more actual substance. Matt is a great interviewer and this dude is actually hilarious

[@oddunb6190]

Great cast. Matt gets to use his social work skills

[@tylerhottman868]

He is possibly the greatest social worker of all time. He's reinventing the game in a brilliant way

[@mad2livproductions]

I’ve avoided the solo Matt stuff for a while but Kuskey is rising! Let’s go!

[@MiSambra]

Shaman out here just carrying the pod on his back. No big deal.

[@mypawsoflove]

This was a great guest and episode Matt!

[@darriuspalmer4331]

It might just be Matt’s secret podcast

[@joshua6207]

Shane will be back soon. Probably on tour enlightening folks

[@ShroomFactory]

Matt's secrete podcast

[@ShroomFactory]

@@joshua6207 arent they filming Tires in Philly? + casting in that rental house

[@iTzDeyo]

Matt's Well-known Podcast

[@randomdude189]

Matt’s boring podcast

[@seangleason260]

Matt is a genuinely well read and intelligent person, well above the average American and doesn’t judge people and has an endless curiosity. seems to remain open minded while maintaining his own personal beliefs. Him and Shane are genuinely friends and I hope they maintain how much of a gem this is. The author seems like a really genuine guy, I’m going to buy his book.

[@jaskoneal4225]

i love matt’s secret podcast keeps me sane

[@Jammed_Toast]

Matts reaction at 27:03. to coming back to life. Solid gold cut.

[@Andrew-t5m6d]

Truly enjoyed the honesty. Much love.

[@matthewparlato5626]

This interview is nuts. Only the Shaman. Praise be, Dawgz 🙏

[@jonf2188]

Jared good shit brother. Yea I was in Golden Gate Park in my youth. Many years sober now. Work in behavioral health field. You are crushing it

[@ConnorNolan]

This was an amazing episode!

[@danlam4877]

Amazing podcast great job Matt

[@anello9562]

Really enjoyed this conversation reminded me of some fundamentals i used to help me get clean thanks!!

[@Smoke_Club_666]

Had ACL surgery, getting ready to do my PT. I see we got some 432 hz to help me through. Praise be

[@greesy76]

Godspeed brother been there, keep putting that PT work in and things will get better

[@jarnold1789]

Thoughts and prayers, dawg

[@brendanwonson3127]

Maybe the best don’t do it interview ever. ❤

[@Mmksen289]

Dang when he said u can have a good job and work overtime and still can’t afford a house I felt that, I hope America 🇺🇸 turns around for the better staying hopeful

[@tankerteez13]

Just bought the book, thank you for everything Matt

[@NathanExploshin]

There is a not zero chance that his parents could have recorded themselves hearing about 9/11.

[@hilly5488]

Dude made some rock solid points about the good lord. His whole thing about ending up in the gutter when he is in charge of his life is rather eye opening. I have never actually applied that to myself. I am an idiot, that actually makes a lot of sense.

[@riveracars20]

Great podcast episode! I usually don’t care for this type of content but it was great and the guest was hilarious. The gay jokes not being allowed in jail part was great 😂

[@quandaledingle8960]

Bro this pod is criminally under viewed

[@Hobcore]

Matt better be keeping 100% of that Patreon money 😂

[@metalface9463]

Jared was a great guest. Solid dawg

[@Reagannagaer]

I love this dude. Definitely a top guest of the year if not all time. Thanks Matt for keeping this thang alive! Thanks Shane for being an absentee parent so we can have some alone time with Matt now and again!

[@Reagannagaer]

Just finished Crooked Smile and had to come back for another listen. Jared rules and everyone should read his book for a heavy dose of humility and reality.

[@Baccflip]

I’m 7 months clean and shit like this makes my day. Bought the book. Let’s go dawgz

[@AudibleVisibIe]

THIS DUDES DAD STOLE OXY FROM YO-YO MA WTF

[@MANOFBOBRUISK]

This was a solid cast, i was always looking forward to Matt getting to talk to this guy.

[@SkatingThruNewEngland]

Shout out the Shaman, he's putting in work while Shane's doing big things.. the brain can't work without the heart pushing blood.

[@christo8530]

Matt you’re a beast on these solo pods with a guest, keep it up brother 🙏

[@Arokosaki]

This Podcast is so secret one of the Main Characters cant even find it...

[@Ben-r4c7r]

Matt is the man. No matter what he’s stuck with every podcast. You can tell how much it means to him.

[@CollectsHD]

Can’t believe Shane’s gone, he would have loved this cast. Long live gilly! 🕊️

[@Tentacles666]

Lol the reveal of what the "white prisoner's dilemma" meant had me dying. I work in a prison, can confirm 🤣🤣 The shaman delivers!

[@chrisbranch8022]

Broffesor Shane Gillis didn't show up even after the gay accusations on the last episode without him, something big must be in the works!

[@DokDredd]

He's filming Tires season 2

[@432HzOnSandAndWater]

Spit out my drink when the ad came on and Matt’s still wearing the glasses… blessed be the dawgs

[@gimpystimpy5304]

the dawgz got it by the chest

[@mylunch321]

This was actually a great podcast! This guy's GREAT!!! I want this guy to do a round of podcast appearances! He's got a great since of humor.

[@-C.S.R]

Bill Burr can still do two episodes a week even when making his own movie or doing a TV show, doesn't matter how busy he is, he still does two episodes. Shane is big leaguing us!

[@ThisNachoFriend]

Yep, and then they act like we're the problem for complaining. I like Matt and Shane but I don't want to see them by themselves or on pods with other guests, I want them together, that's the dynamic I'm a fan of and have paid for the Patreon for over a year for.

[@Putsomewateronthat]

Y'all gimme your address I'll send some damn tissues

[@AEJones-dl9nn]

It’s clear he’s sick of the podcast. I don’t blame him, i’d struggle to muzzle myself talking nonsense to weirdos for 2 hrs a week.

[@Putsomewateronthat]

@@AEJones-dl9nn you're silly man. Take your ego somewhere else

[@Putsomewateronthat]

@@AEJones-dl9nn you also probably started watching after he hosted SNL and was mega famous. It's called being busy. Cry cry baby girl. Do something more productive

[@trillbilly7914]

As an ex-convict in recovery, definitely relatable and a solid pod broski. P. S. Who is this Shane guy everyone talkin bout in the comments?

[@onlygoop]

Solid episode, fairly nuanced conversations about addiction and prison, thank you Shaman 🙏🤝👍

[@trespasscomplex]

I almost relapsed today, it was good to land on this, this evening

[@ellaisboring]

Keep it up dawg

[@Fadouchiary]

stay strong brother

[@trespasscomplex]

@@ellaisboring thank you

[@trespasscomplex]

@@Fadouchiary thank you. Today was even worse, but I didn't fall.

[@handlehandleton]

This was a good interview. I have only been going through the backlog of this podcast so I assumed Matt would just talk about masturbating the whole time. Looking forward to reading this guys book since I deal with homeless people every day at work and its rare to get a glimpse of their real perspectives since they are usually in crisis when they get to me. Tough people to help.

[@TheViceAge]

Thanks man. Check out the book, it's really funny while also doing a comprehensive deep dive on the mechanisms of addiction

[@jordanlavigne8140]

Hearing the FSU chant on this while the team is down and out… changed my life

[@margowalters]

DJ U is awful

[@cillmah]

Best Matt Pod yet, keep it up Shaman

[@Ohsnapzdawg]

the FSU fight song over the PrizePicks ad was just... perfect.

[@RyanCaron1989]

Ex drug addict here and I have the same thoughts about jail and the homeless.. we need rehabilitation not thrown into a place where you continue the cycle .. how can’t we figure this out ..

[@jordanhall9346]

Why does every damn comedy podcast turn into a personal development podcast?

[@bigguy423]

It's irritating. Maybe when they refuse to do that, it ends up going like Cum Town

[@samkaiser450]

Thank you Matt. Great guest. Great interview.

[@BobbyBundlez]

I miss the simplicity of being an addict. I like how he still painted that simplicity in an honest and positive way.