Epi12 BONUS What is the Order of Seals Trumpets and Bowls?

[@2028end]

Totally disagree. It's so obvious the 6th seal, the 7th trumpet, and the 7th bowl are the SAME EVENT, happening at the SAME TIME.

[@emmanuelsimpson1751]

Nope, you're wrong. Love your channel though😊

[@mcgeorgerl]

The telling point that the 6th Seal is at or toward the very end is that those hiding are fully aware that they are all hiding from "him that sittith on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb". It seems like everybody is trying to jam Seals, Trumpets and Vials into neat little pigeon holes and I do not believe that can be done with what we now know. Everything has to work with what the Old Testament prophets recorded (Rev 10:7) so things like Isaiah 1-7 have time to take place. Daniel has 1260, 1290, 1335 and 2300 days. Revelation has the 1260 in few places then adds a 1000 year period and an undetermined period after that to deceive the nations and gather a vast army. It also tells us the locust are active for 5 months (150 days). Look at Trumpet 7/Rev 11:18... The Elders speak of "the time of the dead, that they should be judged"? Isn't this Rev 20:12 and AFTER the 1000 years? Making Seals, Trumpets and Vials sequential will not sort this out.

[@2028end]

@@mcgeorgerl Just a simple quick read of Rev 6:12-17 compared with Matt 24:29-31, let's you know the opening of the 6th seal happens "immediately AFTER the Great Tribulation" at Christ's return. It so clear. So obvious, that I don't know how anyone is deceived on this issue.

[@mcgeorgerl]

@@2028end Correct. Where I think a lot of folks start down the wrong path is that, say for example, the 4th Seal is opened and WHAM!... 1/4 of the world's population gets killed on Tuesday morning. This stuff takes time and there are durations involved. Like the First Trumpet where all the grass is burned up. Yet in Trumpet 5, the locusts are not to hurt the grass. It can't be all gone in a moment at Trumpet 1 because there's still grass when Trumpet 5 is blown. Larkin tried to sort this out by including the Trumpets in the Seals and then the Vials in the Trumpets then had the Seals, Trumpets and Vials all ending at the same time. He starts the Seals at Day 1 of a 7 year period and fits in the Trumpets in right after. Then he starts the Vials a couple of years later. The duration of Seals 1-6 and Trumpets 1-6 seem then to run through to Seal 7, Trumpet 7 and Vial 7 to get all of the earthquakes, voices, thunders, etc. to line up..

[@2028end]

@@mcgeorgerl Yes, I agree. It definitely appears the seals, trumpets, and vials all complete at the same time at the return of Christ. Thus, they overlap. Who is Larkin, btw? Got a link?

[@Mukil-Varma]

Excellent explanation. Thank you brother. (from India)

[@jamesbultemeier]

This is exactly right. 7 Seals then 7 Trumpets then 7 Bowls. Great job on this video.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks James

[@joesnyder7637]

thanks to Jesus for your teaching. God bless always. 😀😃😄

[@crisseven760]

Great video! This part was always a bit confusing to me.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks. I think we’ve only made it confusing as a church who wanted to place Jesus’s return at the very end of revelation and realized they couldn’t do it if the seals trumpet some balls were consecutive

[@onefeather2]

Thanks Nelson, as always a lot of information in compact form, some on here should do the same, just my thoughts.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks Boo

[@ronbo30]

Agree they are in order just like they appear.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks

[@ronbo30]

I talk to a pre tribulation and he said the rapture is revelation 5:8-10 I said wow! It’s the twenty 24 elders not all the saints.

[@lauriegranlund3331]

@@ronbo30 there is exactly as much scriptural evidence for the 24 elders being the rapture of the church as there is for them being the vancouver canucks hockey team.... ie. none

[@angelakilcrease1448]

Thank you for sharing and explaining 🙏🙌♥️✝️🙏

[@Josrofer]

Hi Nelson, 6 minutes and 32 seconds in there's a misprint that confused me but i figured it out. Under the last verse starting with " and one of the four living creatures" you have it as Rev.11:15 which should be Rev 15:7. No big deal just that this whole thing has to do with cronology and initially it stumpt me. Take care

[@groundbreaker5525]

Awesome this is one of the best vids of seen I have been say this to heaps of my family for years ....brother bless you the holy spirit is truly guiding you

[@groundbreaker5525]

Comjng up to 3 rd seal and 4th in a few more years ...the trumpets are on in 2.8years...not until 4th seal is on then count 3.5 years

[@rickdeblock1648]

I have to wonder how "every mountain and island was moved from its place" in the 6th seal (Rev 6:14) and then again in the 7th Bowl of Wrath (Rev 16:20). Combine this with the similarity of the great or greatest earthquake ever, and they sound a lot like different descriptions of the same event. It wouldn't be the first time God did that in Prophecy or the first time descriptions differ in the details included. 2nd point: The use of "then I saw" only indicates the order the events were shown to John. I think it's likely a mistake to assume that the order in which things were presented by God to John is the order in which they will happen.

[@LivingTithe]

Totally agree..a study of all the versus in Bible that describe " the Lord's day" the very end use the language such as " heaven rolled up like a scroll" . This happens in seal 6 already .. There are 3 timelines

[@YellowEye25]

Visions of prophecy are always misterious, so as to not disrupt YHWH's plans. The order in which things were presented by God to John is not the order in which they will happen. I believe the seals are the events viewed from Christ's point of view, as he is preparing to declare his kingship; trumpets are events influenced by spirit beings (both good and evil); and bowls the wrath of YHWH being slowly poured as the corruption increases. Some of the events are the same but they are narrated differently and may be stretched or compacted. The proof of this is that some chapters of Apocalypse are entirely dedicated to explain one or another specific event, while other events are briefly mentioned. Also, the bowls of wrath are already being prepared, as you can see in today's Euphrates' water levels and other narratives that I cannot mention here. The seals, however, seem to be still in place.

[@Charles-mv7sv]

By that logic the sixth seal could be first. It seems like they all go in order and where right before the sixth seal.

[@ig00g1e]

If a massive asteroid stuck, it would quake the earth. Everything moved a little with Fukushima earthquake.

[@williamjennings7065]

There seems to be no other clear explanation, as the last Seal is the first Trumpet, and the last Trumpet is the first Vial. This is exactly as I understand and teach. However, following the seven Seals from Revelation 6…, we have an exact reference to each… in its order… by the Lord… in Matthew 24! This Gospel, like Revelation, is particularly Jewish, and to do with the King’s second coming in glory and judgment. Even with this, this is one beautiful video. God bless. Thomas

[@pauls330]

Well how can the trumpet to destroy all island and mountains then the bowl to destroy all islands and mountains again? How can something be destroyed 2 times?

[@KingsDaughter.]

Sorry just got a little lost. With 6th seal the wrath of God comes, and the wrath is 6th seal, through the trumpets and bowls?

[@rockkstah2550]

thank you, it confirms what I was already thinking, GOD is not disorderly...

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks

[@MaximusAurelius1987]

Why do some believe the 7th seal “contains” the trumpets and 7th trumpet “contains” 7 bowls? It’s almost like they’re saying the very last thing is the 7th seal, Before that is 7th trumpet, Before that is 7th bowl … like some collapsing math formula.

[@danieldishon688]

Would you say a "plain reading" of the book of Genesis would lead you to conclude that Joseph's dream about the 12 sheafs of wheat that bow to him and the 12 stars that bow to him are depicting seperate sequential events? Look their are even differences in the dreams like the addition of the sun and the moon that are bowing to Joseph in the 2nd dream "proving" that they must be different events. Sane thing goes for pharohs dreams. Would you say a "plain reading" would lead you to conclude that first 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine in crops must occur FIRST before the 7 years of plenty in livestock and 7 years of famine in livestock began? Pharaoh clearly lists his dreams off in that order. Yeah there are differences in the 3 different sets of 7s in revelation, but how can their similarities not interest you even more? The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th trumpets all talk about the seas, freshwater and sun being effected in the same order. Or how there is kind of consistent division of 4 things, then 3 worse things. The first 4 seals are the horseman, the last 3 trumpets are the woes. Both trumpet 5 and bowl 5 talk about a prophecy concerning the Euphrates River. Can this really be considered a meaningless coincidence and pattern. Your points are certainly interesting, but a sequential order comes with the exact same difficulties you mentioned viewing these as repeat visions of the same events. You have to believe the Sun is scorching everyone after its been drastically darkened and dimmed. You have to believe their is a redundant plague turning the seas to blood and a redundant plague turning the fresh water to blood. Knowing how prophecys are structured and given in other books in the bible, it seems only natural to conclude that at least some of the many sets of 7 in revelation that are so similar are ment to foretell the same set of events, though from slightly different angles.

[@Azriela.]

Perfect sense. We haven't witnessed yet the 1st seal (unlike some interpretation says we r in z 6th seal 😏)

[@jenniferarmstrong1746]

At the 6.33 min mark you have the wrong reference for the 4 beasts giving the angels the bowls of wrath. Should be Rev15:7

[@Doodlebobsrevenge]

Where are my post tribbers at?

[@abnygaard1159]

I like to ask a question: Rev. 9.4 describes people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. Then there must be some who have? Can it be that people will come believers during the seven trumpets?

[@NelsonWalters]

Absolutely. A voice from heaven tells us blessed are those who die in the Lord from then on (Rev 14:13) immediately prior to the rapture. So those are ones who come to faith during that period

[@abnygaard1159]

@@NelsonWalters Thank you so much from me and from Ruth in Switzerland :-)

[@c.h.r.i.s.t.i.n]

I believe the seals have begun to open. I believe the first one has opened anyway though the 2nd one might have cracked a little this week. Look up brothers & sisters!! Our redemption draweth nigh!!

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

The Tent of Testimony is opened at 15:5, but unlike the Ark of the Covenant it closes after God’s Seven Spirit’s come out, until the seven plagues are done. See, Rev. 15:8. The alignment with the Ark of the Covenant able to be seen isn't with the beginning of the seven bowls, but with their end, after the bowls are poured out. The Tent's opening, the angels coming out, and then it being veiled is a display (like the Great and Awe-inspiring sign 15:1) of God's complete manifestation as imminent. Only once the bowls are poured out does the Tent of Testimony stay opened for sacrifice ritual. This coincides with the Ark of the Covenant being located within the Holy of Holies inside the inner sancturary the Tent of Testimony. See, Leviticus 16: As one would have to see within the inner sanctuary to see the Ark of the Covenant. The fact that each would be opened together after the bowls are poured out for the Ark of Covenant to be seen further coincides with prophecy at 2 Maccabees 2:4-8:5 as follows: 5 When Jeremiah arrived there, he found a chamber in a cave in which he put the tent, the ark, and the altar of incense; then he sealed the entrance. 6 Some of those who followed him came up intending to mark the path, but they could not find it. 7 When Jeremiah heard of this, he reproved them: “The place is to remain unknown until God gathers his people together again and shows them mercy. 8 Then the Lord will disclose these things, and the glory of the Lord and the cloud will be seen, just as they appeared in the time of Moses and of Solomon when he prayed that the place[b] might be greatly sanctified.” Both the Ark and the Tent are completely revealed at once. The Ark can only be seen without smoke and likely when the Tent is opened permanently, rather than a quick opening for exit of seven angels and then a veiling with smoke until bowls are poured out (Rev. 15:8 " . .. no one could enter until the seven plagues of the seven angels had been accomplished"), because the Ark is located within the inner sanctuary of the Tent. The fact no one could enter until after the bowls also means no one could see within it, or enter with their eyes, in other words. Leviticus 16:1-2 After the death of Aaron’s two sons, who died when they encroached on the LORD’s presence, the LORD spoke to Moses 2 and said to him: Tell your brother Aaron that he is not to come whenever he pleases[b] into the inner sanctuary, inside the veil, in front of the cover on the ark, lest he die, for I reveal myself in a cloud above the ark’s cover. God's protects us until he is fully manifest and we are transformed in his likeness. Exodus 33:22-23 22 When my glory passes I will set you in the cleft of the rock and will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand, so that you may see my back; but my face may not be seen.

[@NelsonWalters]

This brings up an interesting question. If the Ark is on earth how does it end up in heaven or is it a heavenly version? Is this yet another sign Jesus was on earth prior to the 7 th Trumpet and does he bring it to heaven? Or is the Ark Jesus himself?

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@NelsonWalters Good questions indeed! I see at as a "both-and", much like the abomination of desolation in the temple: flesh and a stone temple....but eyes are opened for any combination thereof to occur.

[@siewlaitan3875]

Please study the 7th messenger , William Marrion Bramham !.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

The comparison being made at around 4:23 of the video with thunder, and lightning seems to be missing and re-naming elements that otherwise would form an interaction of play in Sacred Scripture. First, Rev. 4:5a From the throne came FLASHES of lightning, RUMBLINGS, and PEALS of thunder.. Rev. 19:6 Then I heard something like the sound of a Great Multitude or the sound of RUSHING WATER or mighty PEALS of thunder, as they said: “Alleluia! The Lord has established his reign, [our] God, the almighty. o Rev. 1:15 His feet were like polished brass refined in a furnace, and HIS VOICE was like the sound of RUSHING WATER. o Daniel 10:6 . . . and the sound of his voice was like the roar of a MULTITUDE. o Rev: 7:15 - The Multitudes worship BEFORE GOD'S THRONE; For this reason they stand before God’s throne and worship him day and night in his temple. The one who sits on the throne will shelter them [dwell among them]. o Rev. 4:5b Seven flaming torches burned in front of the throne, which are the seven spirits of God. o Rev. 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis, write this: “‘The one who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says o Genesis 2:1-2 1 Thus the heavens and the earth and all their array were completed. 2 On the seventh day God completed the work he had been doing; he rested on the seventh day from all the work he had undertaken. Second, we also see these named effects between the throne of God (FLASHES, RUMBLINGS, AND PEALS) interacting with earth and causing earthly effects at the increasing manifestation by God of himself fully within creation (including an Earthquake, a Great Earthquake, and a Great Hailstorm) that accompanies the effects coming from the Throne. These earthly effects (an Earthquake, a Great Earthquake, and a Great Hailstorm) with the throne align other events by indication: the Great Earthquake is also mentioned as occurring at the 6th seal at Chapter 6; after which rapture occurs, along with mention of rapture of the Witnesses at chapter 11, as well as mention at the outpouring of all bowls at chapter 16, all aligning. We further see the Great Hailstorm at the end of Chapter 11 after the 7th Trumpet, as well as after the 7th bowls and after the Great Earthquake. These provide us time indicators upon which to align these events in a space and time dimension, among other indicators within the text.

[@NelsonWalters]

Notice the earthquakes at the sixth seal and sixth bowl are different ones. During the first mountains and islands are moved in the second they are destroyed.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@NelsonWalters 6th Bowl or after the seven bowls? 6th bowl is the river Euphrates drying up. I presume you are referring to the alignment I"m making between 6:12 (first mention of Great Earthquake) and 16:18 ( Flashes, Rumblings, Peals, AND a GREAT EARTHQUAKE). I certainly do not see a "one-for-one" alignment with the different sets of Sevens. This is an example of one such instance where the Great Earthquake at the beginning of the sixth seal series of events would align with the Great Earthquake when the 7th bowl is being finished. Also, I'm not seeing a significant difference from the Greek that "every mountain and island being moved (ekinethesan) from its place" (at 6:14) is much different from "every island fled (ephygen), and no mountain 'could be [were] found' (heurethesan). Clearly both Great Earthquakes are world wide / Global wide events. Seals are looking through the eyes of God's people, and the bowl effects thru the eyes of Satan's dominion. I'm not sure that matters so much here except they seem to be slightly nuanced perspective with the mountains all moving versus not being found (at least at this point in time). The Great Hail storm then follows as well.

[@NelsonWalters]

@@Jesus3ITrustinThee Yes, I wrote too fast. But look closely the difference between the earthquakes at Rev 6:14 and Rev 16:18 are such they cannot be the same. In one, the mountains are moved, in the other they are destroyed (can't be found as you translate). This precludes them from being the same. If you handed me a $100 and I moved the bill from one end of a table to another that is one thing. If I burned the bill, that is quite another. That is what we see here. That is why the phrasing is different to show the ever increasing intensity of events. To show they are different earthquakes. This is consistent with all the other evidence in Matt 24 and in this video.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@NelsonWalters We should be careful to not misconstrue the Greek word "herethesan" or "heurisko" (at strong's G-2147) as "destroyed" or "burned". Just because something is not "found" or not "seen" or "disappeared" does not necessarily mean "destroyed", especially not "burned". A form of the word "heurisko" is translated 175 times in 166 other verses as a form of "found". If something has moved from it's place, it also may not be immediately found, seen, perceived, or discovered. It also seems that to name something a "Great Earthquake" at some places, but then refer to an "Earthquake" without the Greek word "Mega" at other places would have a significance, and should be carefully paid attention to with close attention. Yes, the Apostle John names just an "earthquake" three times: at 8:5; 11:13a; and at 11:19. In contrast, the "Great Earthquake" is named four times (in three verses), at 6:12; 11:13b; and 16:18. Matthew 24:7 makes a more general statement " . . . there will be famines and earthquakes." However, I don't see that distinguishing any earthquake necessarily one way or the other, as it is a more general description of the "signs" or seals. Additionally, your book "Revelation Deciphered" makes the connection of the Third Seal to Mt. 24:7, associating Famine with the Black Horse (a good observation, I might add). Recall that the Black Horse Rider is given nothing more when it comes out; in itself it is complete. The "Earthquake" (without the Greek word "mega") is also named at or just before the First Trumpet (at 8:5); while the "Great Earthquake" is associated with the Sixth Seal (6:12) also corresponding to the Celestial Signs at Mt. 24:28 9 (also in your book). Connecting the "Great Earthquake" with the other places it is named "Great Earthquake" (11:13a, and twice at 16:18) is a reasonable and logical consequence that does not present any contradiction to events. The only contra-argument remaining to this is to insist on linear or chronological thinking / reading of the "sets of sevens" just because it is a norm of our way of thinking / reading. Folding the different layers at their points of connection actually flows more logically in the end-days orchestra of events, and gives a fuller illustration of the dimensions. Additionally, we don't have to explain away or dismiss certain aspects of Sacred Scripture here or there. It all then fits. Not only does it all fit, when you step away without the text, it is reasonable and stands scrutiny under a scientific method lens. For example: Doesn't it fit that four horsemen come out of an earth event? (aren't the trumpet judgements and then trumpet woes to the earth in general)? Doesn't it flow that an increase in intensity follows from "an earthquake" to a "Great" "mega" Earthquake as you have reasoned. I would agree with you on this reasoning; yet the "Great Earthquake" is mentioned at the Sixth Seal BEFORE ANY OTHER "earthquake" is named (and many other examples also in the text). Even if we drew "reference lines" as with any electrical signal analysis in math to see the intensity and frequency of events. For example, we were to graph the trumpets, seals and bowls, crossing each reference line where an indicator of observation is crossing, we see a normal frequency response from a steady-state response to a transient response. What is it all creation and humanity is transitioning to, or is in transient to? Eternity beyond time and space in Yeshua as the Shepard! The only real effect of recognizing the Trumpets are going off and then thinking to oneself that the seals have all been opened (as I'm afraid may be the result in such linear chronological thinking of "sets of sevens"), is just that the individual and those people being ministered to by the individual at the time may think they have been left behind or abandoned. When in fact: NOT THE CASE at all! This is potentially the same trap of putting ones faith and hope in a pre-trib rapture. We are not meant for wrath and the Lord will Shepard us! As I know you have the same message. whether we are raptured at some point or later, or whether wrath is here or there, or concurrent in time or not, we are not to stop trusting. Bond-Servants to the End!

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@Sheltered Kiwi Fascinating! That is intriguing actually! Thanks for sharing! I actually approached prophesy the same way you did, by doing my own analysis first. Then looking to see what others have done. My background is diverse in that I have a legal, engineering, philosophy and seminary background. Prophesy for many years was something I had dabbled in, but it always seemed to sidetrack me too much on my focus to the Lord. I've finally been at point where I feel confident to look at it closely and then be able to look critically at what others may say. Like you said there are many layers, and truth is often multi-faceted certainly. I created that list you speak of as a "synchronization of Revelation events" a while ago and it is not complete I'm sure but every once and I while I add to it. I have at least sixteen or seventeen events that I can now see clear points of overlap at. I see Revelation like a series of fractals, each are explaining the same thing on another leaf or branch. It's like visions in visions in visions, creating a multidimensional picture of end days for us. It would be like if I tried to explain to someone who was blind and deaf what an symphony was. I'd tell them about the wind instruments, the percussions, the strings, and the brass instruments, and the conductor. There would be no way they'd now how they fit together if there were points of overlap explained. It's kinda like what Revelation is doing for us. Anyway, just some thoughts to ponder. Godspeed in your pursuit!

[@ComeOnMan81]

The rapture doctrine came from a 15yo girl that had a vision in 1820s got big here in the 1920s-40s

[@truthtransistorradio6716]

One argument I have heard for this is thar the 7th seal is the 7 trumpets. Thus they follow the 6 seals. However, I believe the 7th seal is silence in heaven. I am convinced that the 6th seal, 7th trumpet and 7th bowl are talking about the same event.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

The video quotes Rev. 7:2-3 to make the point that trees, earth and sea are not to be harmed until the 144k are sealed and thus trumpets could not have sounded since the trumpets do these things (harm the trees, earth and sea). However, this is told to the "four angels" who are not released until the sixth trumpet, and who were also kept ready to kill a third of mankind [human race], and not to all angels or even the seven angels, because the seven stand before God's throne (Rev. 8:2). Compare: Rev. 7:2-3: 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Rev. 9:14-15: 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

[@NelsonWalters]

Britt, by this you assume they are the same four angels! Plus the harming of the trees, grass, etc are the first 3 trumpets. This is circular reasoning. The angels are either released or not released.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@NelsonWalters I see a harming of earth at all of the trumpets. Even at the 5th there was smoke covering the sun and moon at 9:1-2, and at 9:17-18 fire, smoke and sulfur, along with red, blue and yellow breastplates. These breastplates look a lot like the sky as volcanoes are going off, which would likely be every active volcano in the last 10,000 years if every mountain and island were moved from its place. These events (6th seal and 6th trumpet) seem to correspond close in time to me. You can see red, blue and yellow clouds above volcanoes, as well as fire coming down like open lion mouths with splattering debris in every direction. It would also explain why everyone left of the human race did not repent...the saints are at the wedding in heaven before it empties out to ride white horses down.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

Then 7th trumpet is a violent hailstorm to the earth after, seemingly corresponding also to Rv. 16 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

[@NelsonWalters]

Someday I may do a video on the sixth Trumpet which includes fire and brimstone. A very particular mix of material - the same promised to be hurled upon the earth by the angels. Why does everyone see this in symbolic terms?

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

Yes and Amen! 2 Peter 1:20-21 Know this first of all, that there is no PROPHECY of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, 21 for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God. 1 Cor 13:9, 12 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

[@BombshellBibleProphecies]

Hi Mr. Nelson, I beg to disagree with your assessment that the 7 Bowls CANNOT BE the 7 Trumpets. For the 7 Angelic Trumpets are the SAME 7 Angelic Bowls Judgement in the SAME DAY OF THE LORD'S JUDGEMENT HAPPENING CONCURRENT IN TIME, because both Series of Seven end with THE SAME Signs (Rev 11:19 & Rev 16:21. Please study compare them carefully noticing the 5 events I have noted in numbers. 15 Then the SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED (HIS TRUMPET)..... 19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were 1) FLASHES OF LIGHTNING and 2) SOUNDS and 3) PEALS OF THUNDER, and 4) AN EARTHQUAKE, and 5) A GREAT HAILSTORM (Rev 11;15 & 19) 17 Then the SEVENTH ANGEL POURED OUT HIS BOWL upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, “It is done.” 18 And there were 1) FLASHES OF LIGHTNINGS and 2) SOUNDS and 3) PEALS OF THUNDER ; and there was 4) A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as there had not been since mankind came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled, and no mountains were found. 21 And huge hailstones, weighing about a talent each, came down from heaven upon people; and people blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because the 5) HAILSTONE plague was extremely ''severe'' . (or GREAT from Greek: ''Megale'') (Rev 16:17-19) (NASB) This is very clear proof that Both Trumpets and Bowls are the SAME EVENTS for they also strike at the SAME PLACES and so cannot be different events. (Please put them side by side and study them carefully noting the locations which they will strike.) For IT'S IMPOSSIBLE and ILLOGICALfor them to happen and strike at the SAME place twice! Thank you and God Bless!

[@ruahfire7566]

I am pretty sure you're correct on this observation. I too believe the trumpets and bowls happen concurrently. Trumpet 1 bowl 1, Trumpet 2 bowl 2, Trumpet 3 bowl 3, all the way up to Trumpet & Bowl 7. There seems to be inconsistencies in both views, but I will keep an open mind and be ready to change my position as more is revealed, clarified, and hopefully proven with deeper study, and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I will say that just recently I've been able to biblically prove from studying daniel & revelation (as well as 4 other books in the bible) that the rider of the white horse with a crown and a bow seen in the 1st Seal, is 1000% Jesus Christ, and have NOT made the erroneous and unbiblical assumption that this is the "Antichrist." That interpretation is based on conjecture and reading into the text. There is nothing to allude to this rider being antichrist. We must use erroneous assumptions and conjecture to get this interpretation.

[@ginj5375]

Rev. 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: and there were loud voices in heaven saying. "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever!" ..: For false Christ and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. ...Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 21. And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or lo, he is there; believe him not.

[@ginj5375]

What text are you using, you're quoting scripture different from what mine says.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks Gin. Either NASB or ESV one or the other

[@ginj5375]

@@NelsonWalters No wonder :(

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

The seals are a match to the events of Matthew 24 that Jesus spoke of as preceding before and up to the Rapture at the sixth seal. You nail this in your book! Compare Paul also coinciding the Rapture with the last set of trumpets, or the actual last seventh trumpet: 1 Cor. @-52: Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed, in an instant, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Thus, it seems a correlation with the 6th seal and seventh or last set of trumpets / 3 woes. I do not see direct support for the last trumpet to mean all seven trumpets.

[@NelsonWalters]

Paul wrote about the last trumpet long before revelation was written Britt. They aren't the same things. In Zech 9:14 we see who blows the last trump. It's God. In Revelation, the 7th Trumpet is blown by an angel. Again, not the same thing. The Jewish tradition was the first trump was blown on Pentecost, the last trump was blown on Yom Teruah. Tha't's what it means imo.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@NelsonWalters I'll have to respectfully diverge with you here, but whether we agree on the first being the first or the second being the second, we keep watchful and ready to have answer for those who ask for a reason for our hope (1 Peter 3:15). I am seeing Yellowstone going off Feb.-March 2021. From this rising of smoke from the alter of earth (Rev. 8:3) and coming down with God the Father (8:5, 7) to earth at the time surround by the smoke of the alter along with Satan and his angels being cast down (12:9); the four horsemen will then ride with Jesus directing these judgments. The stone of Daniel 2, the torrent of water after the woman (12:15), the angel with stone finishing out Babylon (18:21), as well as the second trumpet (8:8), being one and the same, to soon follow. This is what I am preparing to see. This same year is also a year Passover is not in winter (Mt. 24:20) beginning March 27, winter ending the 20th. It is also about 1,150 days before April 4, 2024 as it begins forming when the second "great" sign (Rev. 15:1) in heaven will occur "mid-day" / "high noon" (Jer. 15:8; Amos 8:9; Is. 16:3-4) over North America with all planets aligned on the opposite side of the sun from us with the constellation Pleiades (seven sisters / angels, shaped like a bowl). Incidentally, it also 2,300 days from the subsequent sign or the dragon sign (Dec. 17, 2017) resulting out of the first great "woman of the apocalypse" sign of about Sept. 23, 2017. Call it what you will there will be great destruction from this alignment as all these seven wandering stars aligned with the bowl of seven sisters (Pleiades) become visible over North America along the ecliptic from the opposite side of the sun. The beginning of 2021 is also the end of the 1,260 days the women is given to prepare with God (12:6), and also during the months indicated as to why one ration of wheat is a day's wage and three rations of barley is a day's wage, while the oil and wine are not damaged. Wheat is planted a month later usually than barely, and both ripen a month a part during these months of the year. May God be with us and sanctify us all from the works of our hands (Acts 7:41; Rev.9:20), and we delight in the fear of his name (Is. 11:3) for all eternity!

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks for your thoughts

[@LastTrump7]

I agree the bowls are the only part of the 70th week that is the wrath of God because it says so. The wrath of Satan, the judgements of God and the wrath of God are not the same thing. For the trumpets to be the wrath of God the rapture and the saints would have to be in “heaven” a year, 2 years..? Don’t see that in scriptures or in the pattern of the Fall feast which God gave the order same as the Spring feast to day and hour and can not be changed to match opinions. God’s patterns and shadows are unmovable. Moses broke one pattern or shadow of God by striking the Rock twice (a type of Christ) and God was angry enough he broke that pattern (Christ could not be crucified twice) that he was not allowed to enter the promise land?I don’t see anything in scriptures that says or suggest you can move Yehovah’s appointed days either. They are appointed days because they have a appointment in the past and future

[@ginj5375]

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament; and there were lightning, and voices, and thundering, and an earth quake. and great hail.

[@noirhorror197]

The Bible says at the sound of the 7th trumpet...

[@ginj5375]

Rev. 11 (the two witnesses prophesy) vs 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand; and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and behold the third woe cometh quickly.

[@NelsonWalters]

Gin we have an entire documentary on the two witnesses check it out

[@brendanelson1592]

Using your analogy of Rev 6-11 is a Heaven view and Rev 12-15:5 is an earthly view and adding the history of Japan during World War 2 I can see where the 4th trumpet and 4th bowl can be the same. If seen from Heaven the mushroom shaped cloud would darken the sun, moon, and stars, but the explosion itself would scorch mankind. Also if you group your analogy one on top of another this puts the Trumpets and bowls at the same time because of their location. So you are confusing me with 2 ideological thoughts being taught on the same set of scriptures.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks Brenda but that is stretching things further than I ever would

[@groundbreaker5525]

Its says the sixth trumpet after these plagues thats why I say the sixth trumpet is the same as 6th plague or bowels of wrath...god releases 12 plagues ...no its 7 only

[@JESUSLOVESYOU.150]

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[@justfloat1]

Could the seals be what happens on earth, the trumpets things that happen in heaven, and the bowls being God’s wrath…… just wondering 😳🙃😊

[@l.b.sommer2087]

If you are going to use the 'plain reading' or the 'and' and 'then' argument to say that everything is consecutive then you must say that everything in the book of Revelation is given in chronological order. John uses 'and' and 'then' to continue his vision throughout the book of Revelation. These words apply to EVERY separate part of the vision throughout the book of Revelation. This is a deceptive false argument that does not stand the test of his own theology, as he believes parts of Revelation are repeated out of order. I agree with much of what he says in general, but this is deceptive lunacy, as he is arguing against parts of his theology.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

This video speaks in a lot of absolutes, and it makes me think that you have completely made up your mind to any other consideration. I disagree totally with the statement here that under no circumstances could any of these events from the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls overlap. As an example, when stepping back we can see that the seals are from the perspective of the people directed by Jesus Christ. The Trumpets from the perspective of the earth overall directed by God the Father, and the Bowls are from the perspective of Satan's dominion directed by the Holy Spirit. Although they overlap at places, it is not inconsistent to see what is happening to each concurrent in time, although not simultaneous always. In one example, wrath begins at the 6th seal from the perspective of all people, wrath begins at the 5th trumpet from the perspective of the earth, and wrath begins at the first bowl from the perspective of those with the Mark. These events are not aligned exactly but are close in time by the indicators at Rev. 9:4 and at 9:20 along with 6:17, and 15:1. Could Locusts not cause sores on those with the Mark, while God's people the 144k and those they are bringing with them (Ezekiel 14:12-23), and then at (9:20) they are no longer around (9:20 The rest of the human race, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands . . .)?

[@NelsonWalters]

There is one Day of the Lord's Wrath Britt. And Rev 6:17 shows us when that event begins. (when the 24 hour period begins). Pretty set from my perspective.

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@NelsonWalters Thanks for your feedback! What do you make of the 144k being present at Rev. 9:4 and then not at 9:20 it seems?

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or any tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. and 20 The rest of the human race, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands

[@NelsonWalters]

The 144k are not present in Rev 9, rather others who are saved after the rapture are pictured imo

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

@@NelsonWalters Rev. 7:3 saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have SEALED THE SERVANTS OF OUR GOD ON THEIR FOREHEADS.” Rev. 9:4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people WHO DO NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD ON THEIR FOREHEADS. -Unless God just says stuff to say stuff, like see the trees but not the purple things that don't exist, or go west, but don't teleport since you can't anyway, then I may agree with you, but I have yet to see something like that anywhere else in sacred scripture.

[@ginj5375]

Rev.15: 4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. And after that I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened; And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breast girded with golden girdles. And on of the four beast gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

[@NelsonWalters]

This opening of the temple is a key event also found in Rev 11

[@poplap9241]

Matthew 24 is definitely in reference to Jesus' second coming.

[@letsgetitright35]

There are events in the trumpets that MUST occur before the 6th seal in which (as prophesied in MANY places) the heavens vanish prior to Christ's Coming. This prohibits a 'consecutive' view of the unfolding of the seals, trumpets, and bowls. The 7th seal and the 7th trumpet are both the revelation of Christ; and the 7 bowls of wrath are poured out at this time. For me a lot of clarity came in realizing (by the totality of end-time prophecy throughout the Scriptures) that our Lord Jesus brings the wrath of God to Earth AT his Second Coming. And also in realizing the difference between God's wrath and his Judgments. God's Judgment carries an offer of and opportunity for repentance and a promise of blessing upon those who DO repent. God's wrath carries no such redemptive aspect to it. It is merely punitive; and its purpose it the destruction and punishment of God's enemies. We see the Gospel preached and the call to repentance right through the time of tribulation and up to the Second Coming. What takes place before this (during the time of tribulation) is NOT God's wrath but 'Judgment unto repentance ( a last call to repentance coupled with an progressive unfolding of judgments). This is typified in the prophetic feasts of the Lord by the Days of Awe/Repentance preceding the Day of Atonement (which typifies the Second Coming). Something else to consider is that in supposing any end-time sequence that involves Christ coming for the Church, leaving Earth for a period, and then returning at a later date (which is frequently promoted by both the pre-trib and pre-wrath view-holders as typified by a rapture at the Feast of Trumpets where the Church enters into her 'eternal Jubilee') completely departs from the biblical pattern that shows the people of God enter into the Jubilee at the Day of Atonement! There is NO rapture before the Second Coming! Lev 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. The Resurrection of the Righteous (in which we enter our promised 'rest') occurs at the Second Coming of our Lord (the coming Day of Atonement). Any other scenario is completely out of sync with the Word of God . Blessings.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks let's get it right. You always have interesting and insightful points to make. I disagree with you on these particular ones but they are still well thought out. Let's start with the heaven's disapearing. This is the Day of the Lord and it begins with 4 cosmic signs. The sun darkens, the moon is turned to blood red, meteors fall and the visible heavens appear to be rolled up like a scroll. They don't disappear. None of these things preclude the trumpets from coming next during a one year period. What exactly the visible sky being rolled up like a scroll means is unclear. John saw it but we don't know. Some have concluded it is a pole shift of the magnetic poles and this would cause an appearance of the sky shifting. It by no means implies this is the "end of time" rather it is a cataclysmic event for sure, but not the end of time. And it doesn't preclude the seals preceding the trumpets as the Bible presents them.

[@letsgetitright35]

@@NelsonWalters Thanks for the reply. I am not the first to state the heavens vanish before the Resurrection. The notion has been around for quite some time! Blessings, Job 14:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? Job 14:11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up: Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

[@NelsonWalters]

Continuing on in your comments, Lets Get It Right, I see you didn't have any other reasons to contest with the sequential order of seals, trumpets and bowls as presented in this video. And as you are a very knowledgeable berean, you realize this one point eliminates the possibility of a post trib rapture. So rather than making generalized comments about why there cannot be a prewrath rapture after the sixth seal, I recommend you consider the possibility that there is. I have a number of videos that can help on this journey. The fact that Matt 24:30-31 is not the second coming but rather the rapture and that there are a dozen and a half reasons should shock any post trib follower. Here is a video on that topic kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzYhHtsgK6Jlbs The fact that Revelation contains numerous references to God's "guests" (Zeph 1:7) which are the resurrected saints, should also give post trip followers pause. Here is a video on that topic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpuyg3SYjtlrqZY You spoke of the Resurrection. Here is a video on that kzbin.info/www/bejne/a162fHaZq9-ni5I And you spoke of the 49 year Jubilee cycle. Maybe you haven't seen our recent video on Daniel's 70th Week being the final 7 years of one of these cycles and how scirpture supports a Rapture one year prior to the end. Please watch this video if you haven't kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4q4hWudq9ajY7s

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks Let's Get it Right. In terms of the the heavens being no more and the resurrection, remember there are two resurrections, so which one is Job speaking of? Job may be the earliest Book in the canon, he got prophetic understanding, but had nothing to compare it to. He had no references. Revelation of prophecy is progressive, and this is one of the earliest. To me this is speaking of the Second Resurrection which happens after the Millennial Kingdom. So that doesn't mean Rev 6 is speaking of this same event. The Greek verb in Rev 6 implies being separated or torn open to allow the coming of Christ and his angels.

[@letsgetitright35]

@@NelsonWalters I do appreciate your videos and will continue to prayerfully examine them; but I think Job was pretty clear what resurrection he was looking for: Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. Blessings.

[@BombshellBibleProphecies]

Hi Nelson...Sir, in my humble opinion, the ''CORRECT'' Order of Revelation and of the Seven Seals. Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls are NOT Chronological. and Sequential IN A STRAIGHT LINE from X (7 Seals) to Y (7 Trumpets) to Z (7 Bowls) as you (a Prewtather) and many others including (Pre-Tribbers, Mid-Tribbers, Post-Tribbers, Partial Rapturists etc. etc have assumed and proposed here with no overlaps or recaps. I will explain the evidences from the Scriptures below. It's CHRONOLOGICAL in the First Vision from 1st Seals starting from Rev 4 & 5 (with the 24 Elders-Priests-Kings or God's Universal and Worldwide Church from ALL ages PAST RAPTURED PRETRIBULATIONALLY to heaven, seated, crowned and enthroned around God's throne in Heaven and ending with the 7th Trumpet in Rev11:19 with 1) LIGHTNINGS 2) VOICES 3) THUNDERS 4) AN EARTHQUAKE and 5) A GREAT HAIL. BUT ALL the Seven Trumpets Judgements of the 7th Seal which will be blown and unleashed in THE DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH are OVERLAPPED and RECAPPED TOPICALLY again in the Second Vision starting in Rev 12 with the PRETRIB '''RAPTUS'' Latin or RAPTURE of the Symbolic ''Manchild'' (Rev 12:5) or God's Universal and Worldwide Church of all Ages PAST and ending in the Seventh Bowl of the Seven called THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES (Rev 15:1) which COMPLETE or END the Fury (THYMOS) of the Wrath (ORGE) of God with the SAME exit signs..1) LIGHTNINGS 2) VOICES 3) THUNDERS 4) A GREAT UNPRECEDENTED EARTHQUAKE which destroys BABYLON THE GREAT CITY (A literal MEGAPOLIS arising now and soon since Saddam Hussein's Reign in Modern Iraq) and 5) A GREAT HAIL of a Talent or a Hundred Pounds Weight for each hailstone,,,,and every islands fleeing away, and the mountains disappearing. in Rev 19:17-21! So the CORRECT Order in my humble opinion is... 1)THE ENTRANCE OR BEGINNING POINT¬ The Unexpected, Sudden and Quick ''GRAB-CHURCH 1.0'' or the FIRST PHASE PRETRIB RAPTURE OF GOD'S CHURCH to God's Throne in Heaven,,,(Rev 12) but seen in vision around it as ''THE 24 Elders'' (Rev 4 &5) followed by... 2) (X)the SEVEN SEALS...(Rev 6-8:5) followed by 3) (Y) the SEVEN TRUMPETS of the SEVENTH seal (Rev 8:6-11:19) with 5 EXIT SIGNS at the 7th Trumpet AS THE END POINT. But now at this END POINT MARK..the First Vision Ends. We must Go back in time to Rev 4:1 (THE STARTING POINT) and Recap the Second Vision from Rev 12 (AS THE SAME STARTING POINT again) and continue to Rev 16:21 which has also THE SAME 5 EXIT SIGNS of the 7th Bowl AT THE END only this time they are described with more details. 4) The SEVEN BOWLS.(Z) of (Rev 16) are THE SAME as (Y) the SEVEN TRUMPETS of (Rev 8- to 11:19) . They are followed by 5) the Marriage of the Lamb and His Bride in Heaven (Rev 19:1-1-9) followed by 6) The Return of Christ and touchdown on earth (Rev 19:11-21 )finally establishing God's Kingdom here forever and ever. (Rev 20-22) In Between the SIXTH and SEVENTH seal AFTER the Cosmic Signs (Dark Sun, Blood Moon and Falling Stars etc. etc. etc.) is the SECOND Phase RAPTURE (2.0) (Latin: RAPIEMUR), POST-TRIB but PREWRATH HARVEST of the SAINTS who have COME OUT OF the Great Tribulation or the Tribulation Saints and their ''Dead in Christ'', the Symbolic ''Rest of the Seed'' (Rev 12:17 the Fleeing and Suffering CHURCH IN THE GREAT TRIBULATION or GRAB-CHURCH 2.0 AT THE GLORIOUS, VISIBLE, AUBIBLE COMING (Greek: PAROUSIA or Latin: ADVENTUS or English: ADVENT) of Jesus Christ BEFORE GOD'S WRATH fell upon this wicked world . I hope this BLUE PRINT or PLAN of the Book of Revelation would be helpful to you, thank You Sir.

[@NelsonWalters]

Thanks chew. Did you notice your didn't respond to a single point made in this video?

[@BombshellBibleProphecies]

@@NelsonWalters Sir, I don't have to single out any point you have made for argument's sake. My above response, thesis and scriptural evidence provided is clear enough to disprove that the Events of the Book of Revelation is NOT in a STRICT Chronological X-Y-Z Timeline or 1-7 Seals, the Ist to 6th Seal (X), the 7th Seal (Y) =7 Trumpets (PLUS) OR TO 7 Bowls (Z) Sequence of Most Bible Teachers of ALL Camps,, But My ''Pre-Post-Prewrath'' Timeline is X to (Y or Z) Timeline...by which (X)=Seals 1-6 , the 7th Seal is (Y) are 7 Trumpets=7 Bowls (Z) (Recap trumpets & Bowls Sequence). I hope you will understand this scriptural truth clearly, Thanks.

[@BombshellBibleProphecies]

@@NelsonWalters Sir, I don't t have to inorder to argue any single point you have made because the response, the thesis and scriptural evidence I have provided above is self-evident, utterly convincing and logical!

[@mcgeorgerl]

Several problems here but let's just hit a few for now... Revelation 20:5-6. Here we have, not once but twice, the First Resurrection described and it contains those who have gotten the victory over the Beast. There is no mention of of a multi-phase resurrection in any language. The second is a simple scriptural indicator that the Trumpets and Vials are not "the same". Revelation 15:1 clearly indicates that the Vials are "the seven last plagues". And you may want to correct your reference in "5) A GREAT HAIL of a Talent or a Hundred Pounds Weight for each hailstone,,,,and every islands fleeing away, and the mountains disappearing. in Rev 19:17-21!" since those verses indicate the "supper of the great God", a battle against The Lord Jesus Christ, the taking of the Beast and False Prophet, and a whole lot of dead people. Okay, one more. All of this has to fit with Daniel, right? So it has to work with 1260, 1290 and 1335 days and you have to work out why those who wait and come to the 1335 day are "blessed". Some things don't start or end where you think.

[@BombshellBibleProphecies]

@@mcgeorgerl Hi have you not notice that all the ''7 last plaques'' of the 7 angelic bowls strikes THE SAME LOCATIONS everytime and at THE SAME PLACES the 7 angelic Trumpets Strikes also. Since Both the Bowls and Trumpet Judgements STRIKES ALL SEVEN TIMES EXACTLY AT THE SAME LOCATIONS....which is LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to happen TWICE, then Both the Bowls and Trumpets accounts are Happening AT THE SAME TIME. John's Revelations or Visions were RECAPPED or Simply REITERATIONS in different chapters using different symbols (Bowls & Trumpets). This is not unusual in Bible Prophecies, Visions and Revelations, take for instance Daniel 2 & 7 (The Symbols of Metals and Beasts in both chapters may be different but they are THE SAME Four World Empires rising and falling at THE SAME TIME!). So too here in the Book of Revelation. No contradictions friend, your apparent ''problem'' is solved and answered by this observation.

[@ginj5375]

+7 angel messengers/ 7 vials/7plagues///////SWORD, FAMINE, PESTILENCE AND BEAST

[@kaybass520]

31 countries engage with rioting and protesting on a large scale in Q4 of 2019; as the world economy goes through a gradual saddening. These 31 countries are: Spain, Sudan, Russia, Egypt, Uganda, Indonesia, Ukraine, Peru, Hong Kong, Zimbabwe, Colombia, France, Turkey, Venezuela, The Netherlands, Ethiopia, Brazil, Malawi, Algeria, Iraq, Haiti, Ecuador, Lebanon, Chile, Guinea, Pakistan, Bolivia, Iran, Georgia, Prague and Malta. The rioting in Iran is particularly disturbing, as 106 deaths are already reported, and cars, buildings, banks and police stations are reported being burned down. The fuel rioting in Iran is being mirrored in other places, as people suffer due to increased prices and taxes, while their incomes have not kept up. The time comes when the 'powers of the heavens', the governments will be 'shaken' Luke 21: 26. This is the 'earthquake' from Jehovah that 'shakes' the political system, seen In Hebrews 12: 26-29. This appears in 2Peter 3: 10 when 'hissing, roaring' missiles are seen; and the political 'heavens' are ejected from authority by Jehovah. The places of these missiles wars is outlined in prophecy. In Daniel 11: 44, 45 and Daniel 8: 20, 23-25 the Anglo- American world power and allies, [such as Israel] have a conflict with PERSIA, or Iran. 'Disturbing reports' come to the 'king' who rules Iran; a Shi'ite political cleric. These 'reports' include the sudden destruction of his nuclear assets, by pilots that refuel in Saudi Arabia. Other 'reports' now seen are the people rising up in rioting and protesting. The destruction of protesters with live rounds, teargas and water cannon [causing 106 deaths] are unlikely to make the people less angry. All these people in these 31 countries are like the 'clay-like' aspects of mankind that is not sticking together with the 'iron-like' totalitarian governments. Daniel 2: 31- 46.The forces of military and police are therefore involved in violent confrontations at the time of the 'Sunrise'. [Daniel 11: 44, 45 Revelation 16: 12, Malachi 4: 2] The is the Sunrise of the arrived Kingdom of God; with the appearance of Christ 'in power and great glory' Matthew 24: 29, 30. So the prophecy of Daniel CONTINUES; [Daniel 2: 31-46] when a 'Stone' impacts a political 'image'. This is Christ's arrival in power and glory, in the Kingdom of God 1Peter 2: 6 Matthew 6: 9. This shows the political 'image' is destroyed, changed to 'chaff upon the wind'. And Christ Jesus, the 'Stone', becomes a 'large mountain that fills the earth' Daniel 2: 35. [Micah 4: 1-7] God's Kingdom on earth Daniel 2: 44 is the end result of events now in motion. This is where the faithful true Christians, 'sheep-like' persons are already found to be when Christ arrives Matthew 25: 31, 34. That is why they are also described as SURVIVORS Revelation 7: 9, 14-17. God's Kingdom takes over the welfare of faithful mankind. John 3: 16 Romans 10: 13-15. Matthew 6:9, 33. The war that appears between the US, Israel, allies and IRAN is the significant event that is showing the arrival of this time. SATAN [Gog of Magog Revelation 20: 1-10] came upon the 'soil of Israel' Ezekiel 38: 18, 19 Ezekiel 21: 26, 27 with MISSILES 'hissing and roaring' 2Peter 3: 10. The 'Old heavens' [the political system now seen] 'passes away' with these hissing missiles; and CHRIST arrives at the same instant, 'in power and great glory' Matthew 24: 29, 30 Matthew 25: 31, 34. So this prophecy in Daniel, when the 'feet' of a political 'image' are made of iron and clay; and this is the people 'not mixing', so as to create protests and rioting in 31 countries, in Q4 of 2019; and this is when Christ arrives, at the 'Sunrise' Malachi 4: 2 Daniel 11: 44, 45 to bring destruction to the political system; which engage in missiles wrath. Revelation 11: 18. These prophecies that all describe Christ's arrival; and they are all relevant to our days today, show that the time of the conclusion of the present system is imminent Romans 9: 28; also missiles wars are imminent. This is also the time of the arrived Day of Jehovah's anger Zephaniah 2: 1-11; the arrival of the Great tribulation Matthew 24: 21, 22 and also the arrival of Christ's authority; Matthew 24: 29, 30 that corresponds to the Sunrise of God's Kingdom Revelation 16: 12. Jehovah God and Christ Jesus are 'the kings from the rising of the sun'. As the end of the present system arrives due to WRATH Revelation 11: 18 prophetic Scripture also shows the faithful John 3: 16 meek and righteous ones Psalms 37: 11, 29 are being preserved alive Revelation 7:9, 14-17 into the new system, along with their children; and the ones that perish are the WICKED Psalms 92: 7 which makes the Great tribulation OVER. This time is VERY CLOSE because most of these prophetic events are already visible. God's Kingdom, preached by Christ in the First Century; also shown by many demonstrations, is the happiest time in man's entire history. It is a time when the faithful John 3: 16 receive back their dead loved ones Revelation 20: 13 Matthew 5: 4 because Christ died in their places Romans 6: 23. It is the present generation that undergoes the Judgement of Jehovah's Day of anger Zephaniah 2: 1-11. That is why this 'good news' is preached worldwide Matthew 24: 14 Romans 10: 13-15 because Jehovah brings His Divine interventions with a great deal of prior warning. The end of the present system also has prophetic remarks about our financial reality. Psalms 46: 4-6 Ezekiel 7: 19 Revelation 18: 17. James 5: 1-3. So this is the way we know that wrath and wars come with a financial meltdown. This is visible in the EU when a situation appears like Lehman squared; with a banking systems meltdown, the loss of the Euro, and a shower of insolvency that falls upon all countries of the world. The first resultant is the fainting of the Australian dollar and banking system; and the domino effect as currencies begin to collapse. Isaiah 2 :18-20 Isaiah 55: 1. The melt- down in the financial system makes the system OVER. It cannot recover; its a terminal problem for mankind Romans 9: 28 Matthew 24: 21, 22. That is why Jehovah God and Christ Jesus take this matter in hand Personally; and provide the solution that will save mankind. Revelation 21: 1. These are 'the kings from the rising of the sun' Revelation 16: 12. The matter itself is written in prophetic Scripture; and the time of this violent change in ON OUR DOORSTEP. YOU can also find out; and enter into God's Kingdom Matthew 6: 9 the Paradise Luke 23: 43, the Kingdom upon the earth Daniel 2: 44 that has been created specifically for 'sheep-like' true Christians to live in forever Matthew 25: 31, 34 in permanent peace and security. Psalms 37: 11, 29.

[@onefeather2]

Way too long, you need your own you tube site.

[@LastTrump7]

I agree the bowls are the only part of the 70th week that is the wrath of God because it says so. The wrath of Satan, the judgements of God and the wrath of God are not the same thing. For the trumpets to be the wrath of God the rapture and the saints would have to be in “heaven” a year, 2 years..? Don’t see that in scriptures or in the pattern of the Fall feast which God gave the order same as the Spring feast to day and hour and can not be changed to match opinions. God’s patterns and shadows are unmovable. Moses broke one pattern or shadow of God my striking the Rock (a type of Christ) and God was angry enough he broke that pattern (Christ could not be crucified twice) that he was not allowed to enter the promise land?I don’t see anything in scriptures that says or suggest you can move Yehovah’s appointed days either. They are appointed days because they have a appointment in the past and future.

[@fjalvisi]

The seals are not all opened up within the 7 year tribulation. Remember, our timing, and Gods timing are way different. We are currently within the 4th seal. There will be no pre tribulation rapture. That is not biblical / false doctrine. Matthew 24:29-31, Jesus very plainly tells us, AFTER the tribulation. We will be saved from God's wrath. The tribulation and God's wrath are not the same event.

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

777 versus 666.

[@tenderock7777]

What is the bottom line.????? is Jesus back at the end of the SEALS???? Yes even by your own words. Is Jesus back at the end of the Trumpets....Yes His wrath has come...The resurrection...rewards given...Kingdoms of this earth taken......Is jesus back at the end of the vials/bowls?? yes!! Armageddon Jesus does not come 4 times. All of this is just one more time making it all end together. They have no choice but to overlap at the very end.

[@NelsonWalters]

Jesus returns After the sixth seal but before the seventh

[@Azriela.]

@@NelsonWalters In Revelation 6:12 it tells us about the sun being darkned and moon turning to blood red Verse 13, The stars (fallen angels) falling to earth Verse 14, Heavens dissappearing, mountains and islands shook and shifted The church will be raptured before Verse 14 🤔, Am I correct Nelson. I uderstand that the church, will witness 3 days of darkness and fall of z fallen angels, b4 its rapture !? (the scenario where no one should open the door or window as demonic spirits wl b attacking)

[@ResurrectionSaint]

the plain reading of scripture is the rapture takes place at the second coming imediately after the tribulation.. you have to twist and butcher the scripture to get a pretrib rapture, that is undisputable once you get this pretrib fallacy out of your thinking, rev 1:7 mat 24 2pet 3, 2thes 2. There is only one 2nd coming. dont just follow your favorite pretrib teachers, read the bible for yourself or youre not going to be prepared for what is coming.

[@kaybass520]

The time of the sunrise is imminent. Malachi 4: 2. This metaphor shows the arrival of Christ Jesus at the sunrise; at the appearance of brilliant light of the new 'day'; God's Kingdom. “And to you who are in fear of my name the Sun of righteousness will certainly shine forth, with healing it its wings.” The metaphor connects the arrival of Christ to the Sunrise of God's Kingdom in an unique way. The two parts of a metaphor cannot be broken apart. There are other references to this time [Psalms 46: 4-6, Daniel 11; 44, 45 Revelation 16: 12] This time of healing that arrives with the brilliant light of Christ's arrival in earth-wide power Matthew 24: 29, 30 Matthew 25: 31, 34 is also described in prophecy in Isaiah 30: 26 “And the light of the full moon must become as the light of the glowing sun, and the very light of the sun will become seven times as much, like the light of seven days; in the day that Jehovah binds up the breakdown of his people and heals even the severe wound resulting from the stroke by Him.” The 'wound' from the 'stroke' that came from Jehovah was the punishment upon Adam, that we have all inherited. Even this 'wound' is to be 'healed', as we obtain everlasting life John 17: 3 in Paradise Luke 23: 43 on earth Daniel 2: 44. The anointed and sealed remnant are fully aware of this time of magnificent light. They know 'their deliverance is getting near.' Luke 21: 28, 31-33. How will they be feeling? Will they be dejected, sad and mournful? Will they all put sackcloth upon themselves?I don't think so! That is why the two prophets, found in Revelation 11: 3- 13 cannot be in this time period: The Great tribulation. They are wearing 'sackcloth' at this time Revelation 11: 3. They are in sorrow, and are going through repentance, and dealing with an onslaught of opposition from Christ's enemies. This time period is between 1914 and 1918 when the leaders were all imprisoned with long sentences, and their work abruptly ended. But it did not stay that way. They were released from prison, and it was declared they had been imprisoned unjustly. So it appeared to the world they had been 'raised from the dead' by the God they worshipped. Revelation 11: 11. The first step in determining the times and seasons is to place prophetic events in their correct place in the sequence of time. The arrival of Christ at the sunrise Malachi 4: 2 is a time of great joy for those of the anointed and sealed remnant [Micah 4: 1-7] The apostle Paul spoke about this time of joy for those of the anointed class, in 1Corinthians 4: 5: “Hence do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of the darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.” The surise: Malachi 4: 2 is imminent. “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen.” Matthew 13: 37- 43. NO sackcloth at all, for these anointed Christians, at the appearance of the sunrise; which is also the appearance of the Great tribulation. Matthew 24: 21, 22, 29, 30 and Jehovah's Day of anger Zephaniah 2: 1-11.