EPIC American Engine Battle - Paccar vs. Detroit vs. Cummins vs. Mack

EPIC American Engine Battle - Paccar vs. Detroit vs. Cummins vs. Mack
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We will look at factors like power, weight, engine ranges, service locations and much more
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- PACCAR MX-13
- Cummins X15
- Detroit DD16
- MACK MP8
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[@toddamtmann3528]

The Cummins 855 Big Cam, released in '78, was one of the longest lasting engines you could find. And Detroit is famous for dependability and simplicity.

[@Nihilus0017]

We had a small cam NTF365 from 1973 til 2017. The ladder truck rotted out but the engine still runs

[@teessideman.8253]

Got a 855 european big cam here in a 120t crawler crane from 1989. Don't won't to tempt fate but never had the heads of it. Best engine ever manufactured.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇸

[@toddamtmann3528]

@@teessideman.8253 Nice 😁

[@100pyatt]

Try taking that old 855 to 1.5M miles without repeatedly rolling in bearings , not gonna happen. 🔥

[@seamusburke9101]

@@teessideman.8253 I'm guessing it's an old Eiger.

[@ramonviamontes2847]

He forgot to say at the end of the video " This comercial was paid by Cummins "

[@spencerbridges8723]

60 series 12.7 Detroit,N14 red top Cummins,3406e cat 550 are my all time favorites

[@jerryjohanan1940]

I'm with you on all 3 of them.

[@willmann30]

Don't forget Mack E7, International DT and Volvo D11.

[@ryanehlis426]

Yup 60 series 12.7 and N14!!

[@badlanz8642]

C16

[@Bertuslouw76]

At my work we have an old Cummins diesel generator that is about 60 years old. Other than a dead battery, it has never let us down in all these years. If it cranks it will start. It’s amazing to think that an engine this old is still super reliable and running well. I therefore vote for Cummins as the best engine.

[@kplaysminecraft895]

Love the old Detroit 60 🤟🏻 But for newer engines with bs emissions crap, our Mack’s are pretty hard to beat

[@johnwallis1274]

I've worked as an engineer now at 3/4 #1 is Detroit. There's a reason they sell the most. They've got the best efficiency and cost plus huge service network #2 Cummins, the cost is the main downside. They can be $20k more per truck. #3 Mack. While it's really a Volvo motor at least the majority of the development is in the US #4 PACCAR, the service tools are very hard to get unless your a dealer and 80% of the development is done in Eindhoven

[@TruckTropia]

Thanks for sharing, great input :)

[@tbthedozer]

I don’t have a horse in this race but rumor has it there is a large nationwide leasing company that’s tracking their costs of ownership and their #1 choice to use is the same as yours…😉

[@ccclc6159]

@@tbthedozer is it any surprise diamler leasing would claim their diamler/detroit/mercedes engines are the best?

[@tbthedozer]

@@ccclc6159 😂 this company actually chooses Detroit.. but I love the notion of self promotion, A company I worked for had a straight truck with a Daimler and the plastic fan that blows across the exhaust manifold into the intake to help warm up the air when it’s cold out failed and the plastic pieces got wedged into some intake valves ruining the engine a month out of warranty… 🙄. All of us were trying to figure out how that was even possible because there was nothing to stop this from happening. A basic DFMEA should have highlighted this potential and it should have been engineered out … maybe it’s things like that why they didn’t make this list? 😬

[@devilious123]

@@TruckTropia high school education

[@bertgrau3934]

As a driver with 44 years of experience. I like the older Mack, pre Volvo. The Mack high Torque, low RPM engine (1967) was a great engine. The E9 V8 was a good engine, but I heard ( I never drove one myself) they didn't have very good fuel mileage. The Cummins from 1974 up were better engines ( in my opinion ) the later engines after 1994, they all seemed like they had good power, and good fuel mileage. I personally after 2010, I prefer the Cummins . They had good power (Torque) and good fuel mileage. The Paccar engine, all I heard of were how much they broke down. In 2007 I talked to a guy that bought a new Peterbuilt, I asked how he liked it, he said I don't know, I've got 22,000 miles on it and it's been in a shop 20 times. I wish I kept my old truck, and had the engine rebuilt. This thing is killing me. All I can say, with a Cummins, you can usually find parts , at a reasonable price. And good fuel mileage, and cheaper to operate.

[@TruckTropia]

Thanks for sharing :)

[@igoldra_9162]

I agree on both Mack pre Volve especially like the R model and the Cummins

[@startrek91481]

No engine issues with the PACCAR I have, but loads of EGR issues. The PACCAR also just doesn't have the torque the Cummins has.

[@bertgrau3934]

@@startrek91481 I think the EGR is the biggest problem of all diesels. I sure hope you don't have a lot of problems with your Paccar.

[@millertime8835]

E7 400....what a beast

[@donmunro144]

I'm a cummins man without a doubt. My t660 had 1.2 million on it when I sold her. My current truck is a 587 pete with 870,000 on it. Both are powered with isx cummins. I've never had more than the valve cover off either one.

[@oasisauto]

What year…so why I keep hearing people with Cummins having trouble by reaching 700K or so … negligence of maintenance

[@donmunro144]

@@oasisauto my t660 was a 2008 and my pete is a 2014. The oil is changed every 10,000 miles. Both have apu s. I let them warm up in the morning, other than that I don't let them idle.

[@zacharymorris9917]

@@oasisauto you can't trust a cummins owner. They will say "never had a problem" while their truck is literally in the shop getting a new motor. Nothing worse than a Cummins fanboy.

[@sandasturner9529]

That's great to hear!

[@donmunro144]

@zacharymorris9917 so in the year since you called me a liar, I've put another 110,000 miles on the pete. In that time, I replaced the rear main seal and the exhaust manifold gaskets. Other than that, the motor still hasn't been opened. How's your junk doig?

[@Tchristman100]

I worked as a New Truck Engineer and Salesman at LA Freightliner. We offered both Cummins and Detroit. When a Cummins came in it took 2 hours to analyze the problems. When a Detroit came in it took 15 minutes. Detroit DD engines have the best fuel mileage always. With up to 70,000 mile oil changes on the DD15 high economy engine (455hp and 1550lb/ft torque).

[@sebastianhinterdux4549]

The engine Looks very similar to the top range Daimler engine, even sporting the same displacement. I Know that Daimler own Detroit Diesel, but i Always thought they still build their own engines, do you Know more about that maybe?

[@oscarcardenas120]

@@sebastianhinterdux4549 Detroit is only the name, those engines are 100% Mercedes Benz engines. Same with Mack's engine, that's a Volvo engine.

[@sTEVAL570]

I work on this detroit, Cummins and Mack junk on the regular…they’re all garbage. As far as software to diagnose problems? Cummins insite is superior. You have no clue what you are talking about. My clients never, ever have gone 70,000 miles on any oil change, and that includes fleet vehicles under warranty, although PM service is the responsibility of the owner. There is significantly more plastic parts on a Detroit engine compared to Cummins. And from a mechanic standpoint, although all Modern engines are not easy to wrench on, if given the choice, I would work on cummins over detroit every time. There are also a lot of parts on a DD that are hard to find, as they are made by the Germans. Of course a salesman tries to sell some dope a “70,000 mile oil change.”

[@bobjackson4287]

@@sTEVAL570 Long gone are the days of the DD S60's, Big cams, and 3406's. Modern engines suck. This is true for semi trucks, all the way down to gasser 1/2 tons. Despite their age id take a 5.7 chevy over their new 2.7t garbage any day of the week despite making less power.

[@Agbahizzal]

Im just started working at freightliner. Those two hours will be mainly waiting on emails. Detroit trust the techs, Cummins trust their call center.

[@cowboy3490]

Fun fact, Paccar's PX7 & PX9 are rebadged Cummins engines, the PX7 is the B series 6.7 liter and the PX9 is the L series 9 liter.

[@aqgh1]

This is correct. The trucks built with these engines are assigned a Cummins ESN and their part lookup is with Cummins.

[@smallnugget88]

yea i was confused why they included Paccar but left out Navistar. Navistar engines may be bad but at least they design their own.

[@bjbeardse]

Those are RV and Bus engines... Get back to me when you have had an MX13 in the shop 100 times in the first 50k of ownership.

[@aqgh1]

@@bjbeardse Hahaha someone has real world experience with MX engines.

[@DB-bk9tr]

@@bjbeardse I was looking for the mx13 owners/techs. Plastic POS they are

[@aaronsanborn4291]

Answer: None of the above...they still can't beat a Caterpillar

[@billjohnson5023]

Amen sir cat kicks ass

[@jean-pierrerobitaille8299]

I’ve been driving for over 43 years. I have tried cats Cummins and Detroit. As an owner operator I always been ahead with a Cummins. If Cats were that good, they would still be doing truck engines. I don’t say they were not good engines, I just say that they were overrated.

[@Fyberoptik]

Detroits aren’t powerhouses and PACCAR engines are crap. The MX-13 at least. Cummins is the main stay workhorse I’d say but the best engines I’ve had in trucks were a B model cat in a 1990 W900 4 axle and a old freightliner FLD with an E model that could pull by any truck even at 106k pounds.

[@rusbenreyes5695]

Cat power 💪💪💪

[@jean-pierrerobitaille8299]

@@rusbenreyes5695 my Cummins eats Cats and Dogs, shit Detroits, burp Volvos and fart Paccars! How’s this for a daisy??😂

[@ryanehlis426]

12.7 60 series Detroit was and is the best truck engine. Best economy, less expensive to repair, very reliable, no emissions junk!

[@chuckschob107]

No low end torque either gotta rev them high like a gasser….

[@ryanehlis426]

@@chuckschob107 not true just got to have them tuned right.

[@psd28]

@@chuckschob107 they sound like they rev high but they really dont

[@marceloevera2009]

@@ryanehlis426 bullshit... i have one and low end grunt is a joke

[@marceloevera2009]

@@ryanehlis426 before you say: manifold, injectors,turbo and got it tuned by leon smith.... is a decent engine but a far cry from a cat..

[@quantariusbrown2275]

The mighty Caterpillar even if they don’t build new truck engines still reigns supreme over this market

[@russellking9762]

power yes…dependability yes….fuel economy NO!

[@lukeheigle494]

@@russellking9762 you don’t know shit about a cat do you

[@russellking9762]

@@lukeheigle494 i do actually…worked as a foreman diesel mechanic at Gough & Gilmore Caterpillar NSW Australia 15yrs and as a diesel fitter in iron ore mining Western Australia…23yrs Cat & Komatsu…so i know a little bit…not as much as you though

[@johndoran3274]

We used to call it the yellow turd. I know some guys swear by a Cat, a lot of us found them overpriced, overrated, and almost twice as much to fix when they broke, wich was often, and that’s if you could find the parts.

[@gregoryhodge9452]

@@johndoran3274 Scatterpilar.

[@arttellama2408]

I worked in mining equipment (Sandvik/Tamrock). We used Detroit diesel in our mine loaders and trucks and it was very reliable in the underground harsh condition. Our competitor had cummins common rail engine and can't endure the underground mine.

[@Nihilus0017]

I miss the Sterling and L9000 trucks 😞 the old Western Star’s with the AutoCar cab from the 70’s just looked so good and powered with the 12v71tt is my favorite

[@jerryjohanan1940]

I know what trucks you are talking about and the sad thing is Sir that 90% of the people that are watching this video don't even know what you're talking about and that's the sad part about it

[@Nihilus0017]

@@jerryjohanan1940 🥹 it’s heartbreaking honestly. I’m just happy that my fire department I run at had a ladder truck from 1973 with a small cam NTA855/NTF365 up until 2017 when the ladder went. But we still have our 91 and 87 pumpers with Detroit 8v92ta silver and 6v92ta sliver both straight piped by me with a saws all 😂

[@aarronwoods6389]

I have an L9000. It’s been running for 6 years straight, hauling water up a mountain. Has a N14 in it. When that finally blows i have 3406 for it.

[@deneshn]

You must have fought in WW1.

[@JoeC88]

Cat C32 (5532 lb-ft from 1300 rpm) 👍 The buzzin' dozen 12V-71T sounded great, particularly in marine applications. My friend had the buzzin dozen in his fishing trawler.

[@scottstrang1583]

Those 2 cycle Detroit's sound musical. As splendid as they sound I'm not sure I'd want to have to live with one.

[@JoeC88]

@@scottstrang1583 you can silence the exhaust noise down heaps. Some marine mufflers ejected the cooling water out the rear, or side pipe/s silencing the noise somewhat.

[@digger105337]

NASA used a fleet of buzzin dozens to service the fueling operations of the Moon rockets and some went on to serve as waste haulers in the early space shuttle program. If I remember, they were in special built KW tractors.

[@ccclc6159]

@@digger105337 i remember driving one of those detroit powered rockets to the moon

[@badlanz8642]

Cat 1693

[@thesolojourney8955]

They all 4 are to good. Even win for me.

[@100pyatt]

Mack 13Litre (MP8/D13) nothing has lasted longer with basic maintenance, easily going 1.5M+ regularly

[@HappyCamper1992]

I don’t care for any of the new engines. Been around them all and the emissions on the is what ruins a perfectly good engine. However my all time favorite for dependability is the CAT. Hands down would take any of the CAT engines over any of the new ones today

[@crippleguy415]

Back in the day a MACK had the widest power band and they ran forever even in harsh construction environments .

[@tazkrebbeks3391]

As far as construction vehicles go. And this is only my opinion. An opinions are like belly buttons, everybody has one. Mack Trucks. With Mack engines. With Mack 18 speed transmissions. And Mack headlights. And Mack taillights. Well okay maybe not tail lights and headlights. Lol. And as far as over the road I just have to have a Kenworth With the Detroit Diesel engine. Now the last one I drove was an automatic. That was back in 2005. And I'll tell you what. I didn't think I would like it in the beginning. But once I hit Chicago traffic, Los Angeles traffic, New York City traffic. I wish pleasantly surprised. Now you know. That is all.

[@nicolvilleoffroad]

My grandpa put 4 million miles on his 84 superliner with a mack e9-v8

[@Habeev07]

E9 V8 macks from those old Mack Superliners were amazing. I had a friend in the 2000's whos grandfather ran a logging truck company and his prized truck was a early 80's twin stacked Detroit V8 mack. That truck had some work done on it and turned into a claimed 900HP monster and was kinda a local legend in the logging community in the Pac Northwest.

[@Peter-V_00]

We had Cat engines almost exclusively in our fleet for the 15 years I worked for the company, it was quite a surprise when we had a batch of new tractors come in 2007 with 2006 spec 14 liter Detroit engines, for my role anyway as the guy that did all of the weird jobs the tremendous low end power of the Detroit was a welcome trait, in 750K miles the only issue with it was a faulty "B" pod boost controller, otherwise it was a great trouble free powerplant.

[@barrylaite7000]

My father had a brand new 1995 international 9400 series with a 60 series Detroit engine in it. With regular scheduled maintenance, he was able to get 4 1/2 million kilometres out of that truck before the engine finally gave up the ghost back in 2009. Say what you want, but I prefer the 60 series Detroit engines from the early to mid 90s over anything on the road today.

[@carloscruz7317]

Being a fleet manager of a carriers of 400 trucks I’m here to tell you of all modern engines no one beats the reliability and fuel efficiency of a dd15 with a dt12 with Detroit axles. No one.

[@kiddtray6818]

What’s you’re company name?

[@Masstastico]

@@kiddtray6818 *your you're means you are

[@jasonlarsen3515]

@@Masstasticodork

[@Masstastico]

@@jasonlarsen3515 Thanks!

[@jasonlarsen3515]

@@Masstastico it’s thank you.

[@Habeev07]

I drive a 23' International LT with a Cummins X15 rated at 450 HP and 1750 LB-FT on the engine badge 4:53. I like the grumpy rattling sounds it makes when reving compared to the DD15. But the DD15 2:32 seems to be a tad stronger but I cant tell if its just the transmission difference because they are rated for the 1750 LB-FT but up to 505 HP. Maybe the company Cascadias we have are the 500HP options with 1750 LB-FT so even though the torque is the same that 50hp is noticable.

[@isaacgithinji6929]

I'll always love the c18 3406 cat engine

[@willmann30]

But the fuel mileage this day and age would be tough to manage.

[@andyarmstrong5378]

I get 3 with a dd16 I'd rather have the cat at this point

[@briantatum6708]

Cummins and Detroit both are easy to work on and dependable and reliable. Caterpillars engine are damn good until the repair Bill comes LOL

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

There's a reason that ag equipment companies quit buying cat motors

[@thomaspavelko9412]

In a pick up truck I'm definitely a Cummings fan but in a class 8 the Detroit power train is pretty impressive and I prefer it.

[@dingbop963]

You're a fan but don't know how to spell Cummins

[@thomaspavelko9412]

@@dingbop963 don't care ✌

[@ZionKowBoy]

I've been abusing Detroit for years. The sum bithh just keeps on running. I've driven them all. From experience ive made some daring runs with sketchy loads, and always trusted a DDetroit, hands up.

[@bradinmccaughin]

Would be better if the engines were compared with the same displacement, comparing max power and efficiency. Including the DD16 and x15 skews any results, leaving the best engine up to personal opinion.

[@mojorisin7317]

Driving class A vehicles for 25 years and the Cummins and Detroit diesels are the best in the business overall 🤙🏽🇺🇲

[@raymondfinn6735]

Cummins has a long service interval Because in 50k miles the sleeves need to be redone and it make a milkshake in the radiator. So while you are at it.. you change the oil.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

There was an Australian semi-trailer off road truck maker that gave the option of diesels from Cat, Detroit, Cummins, Perkins, Rolls Royce, Leyland, Gardner & Mercedes (maybe AEC, MAN & Deutz too). I forget their name, they were around for many decades but don't exist anymore. Their innovations were due to the drive of one man. They got bought out then closed down & replaced by a Tatra distributer for the mining industry.

[@derrickleflore5618]

A lot of fire departments spec their fire trucks out to use the Detroit diesel engine because of how dependable they are and how simple they are to work on.

[@davidpeterson3147]

My first choice would be a Detroit Series 60 pre-emissions follow second by a Cummins N14 Pre-emissions. But as far as the new engines go it would definitely be the X 15 Cummins followed second by the Detroit DD15

[@thevortex6754]

Still nothing can beat the pound for pound performance of a deleted Cummins 6.7 liter engine. Over 1,000f/lbs of torque for a little 6.7 and 40-450 horse! Along with an exhaust brake too.

[@digger105337]

Nothing beats a Real Jake brake, but the Cummins brake was actually a reworked Jake brake. Noisey but very effective.

[@Georgespicedaddy]

6.7 power stroke lol more torque,hp and more reliable lmao and the Cummings is under powered lmao 400hp out of a 6.7 liter engine is pretty sad

[@andyarmstrong5378]

I've had alot of different engines 6nz 12.7 14l dd16 n14 b model my overall favorite is the 14l detroit im always 120k gross and still get decent mileage my deleted dd16 is good but real hard of fuel

[@TruckTropia]

Thanks for sharing 👍

[@ClintsTractor]

Looking at all engines on the market whether new or rebuilt (think glider trucks). One of the most highly sought after models to this day is still the Cat 3406E.

[@Peter-V_00]

3406E is a great engine for sure, I look at it this way regardless of name when they are running doing the job they are all good, when they breakdown they are all useless junk no matter the brand.

[@terracestevenkennedy9198]

I like a Cat in a Kenworth

[@randomvideokid5]

Yeah cat whatever but in california you cant register those things no more

[@user-co3mz1ef8k]

I really love the American engine industry, 🇺🇸 trucks and all the rest, but here in Europe there’s only one “King” cruising on the roads. The Scania V8 (16 liter) with 770HP and 3700Nm of torque, with more than 2000Km of fuel ⛽️ autonomy and with an opticruiser automated gearbox 12 ⚙️. Scania AB declared that this truck can make more than 2 million KM (longevity). This is one of the best truck running on this Earth

[@JohannZ100]

Cat 1693, C15. Cummins Big Cam, N14. Detroit Series 60. 300hp Mack.

[@razaghumman2412]

Best engine quality MACK MP8 Serviceability Cummins Cheap parts Detroit

[@eyebok]

A Mack is just a Volvo with red paint

[@razaghumman2412]

@@eyebok yep I drive a Volvo vnl 740

[@JAS357MAG]

Can’t complain about the MP8

[@alacey82]

The PACCAR PX-7 is a rebranded Cummins B6.7L and the PX-9 is a rebranded Cummins L9.

[@derrickjones1544]

I had a CAT3406B , Very Strong Motor . A Triple Digit Truck .

[@ictdpowerstroke4591]

I’m pretty sure We can all agree the the Cummins and Detroit Diesel are the overall top 2 commercial truck engines today and I’m the Detroit type but I must admit the Cummins came in 1st and the Detroit Diesel came in close 2nd

[@alphachad4631]

With the DD15 here in Australia we are having problems with a blanking cover that's glued on the oil pick up coming off and wrecking the engine, they are a bit underpowered for out roadtrains but still prefer them over Cummins, touch one cover on those dam things and it'll leak haha

[@LovinJDA]

You are talking about the suction manifold i assume? yeah, they should have kept that a metal piece instead of plastic. It's one off the most common failures for low oil pressure complaints.

[@alphachad4631]

@@LovinJDA yeh they need to sort it out, seems like such a simple fix yet they've done nothing about it as far as I know

[@LEU_WM_266]

Mack 100%. The pre emissions MP7 lasts forever and then some.

[@paulinhxx]

This analysis is true, but it did not observe the three main aspects that we transporters observe in an engine, which are: Durability, Consumption and maintenance cost. Our definition of quality is based on this, although there are variables in general, such characteristics are observable in the medium term in each engine. Remembering that Volvo was left out of the list.

[@MasterslayerG]

Our old Cummins starts first turn anytime of year even -10. 20 year old 5.9 runs forever. We haven't done any major repairs. All general maintenance, oil belts etc

[@chackos123]

Best powerhouse engine of all time .......... CAT 6NZ C-15 .Most reliable, efficient, lowest cost per mile of all time Detroit Diesel 60 series 12.7L. The Cummins N-14 was also an amazing motor. One of the best overall combinations of efficiency and power ever made. In the emissions era of modern diesel engines, the Detroit Diesels (rebadged Mercedes Benz's) DD13 and DD15 are the best engines overall in the market currently available!

[@jrglad]

The 6nz hands down on pure torque and power. We had 3 of them and nothing else could touch them. We have had lots of different engines over the years, but 6nz was the best. One had 1.7 million million on it before it needed an overhaul, the other 2 did right at a million. The only other engine that we had that longevity out of was 60 series Detroit. Never had a Cummins make it past 650,000. Im not saying they aren't good engines, just never had the longevity like the cats.and Detroits.

[@Tiger313NL]

Interesting: in the US, the Paccar MX-13 is available up to 510 bhp, yet DAF sells the Paccar MX-13 up to 530 bhp. Wonder what Kenworth/Peterbilt do different compared to DAF.

[@sandasturner9529]

Offer better warranties maybe or it maybe different emissions regulations, or different engine computers and fuel metering differences.

[@glennkiller3195]

We have MX-15 660hp in Australia now. It's used in our DAF XG+

[@danielsegundolopezflorez3486]

Los e operado todos , y en realidad me quedo con el cummins . Saludos Desde Colombia 🇨🇴

[@johnw4590]

I like the Mack engines especially the ol mp10 engine brake and power. Detroit made some nice power also.. cummins is a good choice.. paccar I dont have much seat time.

[@JohnSchoolingJr]

Personally I like the international 7.3 liter power stroke found in early 00s ford super duties.

[@brianb-p6586]

This is about engines for heavy trucks.

[@TacticalTrucker]

_Before I even finish watching this video, I have to go with the Cummins X 15 the balance between fuel economy, torque and power. They got it all. I’m pretty sure at the end of this video they’re going to say Detroit but I don’t care cummins take the win on this one for me. I’ve experienced the Detroit, the Mac, the cat, the Volvo, The packer but the commons was the best experience I’ve ever had throughout my 15 years of trucking._

[@tylerjones2574]

This what I got so far so good cummins x15 kw 2019 t680

[@skye3688]

been driving a long time myself and my cousin is a shop manager for Allstate Peterbilt. They work on almost everything in that shop tho. Here's what i have observed to be true: Cummins for the win if you want to make money. Detroit DD series is also a winning motor but they are harder to get parts for at times. Paccar MX11 is a pretty good motor if your buying used for cheap. gonna buy a volvo? get one with a cummins. you'll spend more on fuel but you'll save when you don't have to rent another truck while yours is in the shop being diagnosed for days. Navistar... walk away. If CAT made such a great motor then why aren't they still doing so? People always say "they didn't want to deal with emission restrictions." That's true, but also they DID try and got their butts kicked on warranty and recalls. Cat made great engines in the 90's and that was it. In today's world with emissions and the like... get a cummins x15 performance series and be done. You'll make money AND be able to keep most of it with repairs. It's that simple guys. You truck to make money, not give it away to repair shops and rental fleets.

[@TruckTropia]

Wow thanks for sharing 💪

[@timkis64]

i was happy with the N 14 with a 525 rating. just keep a spare injector or 2.sooner or later you will need it.

[@vicpetrishak1077]

It was also handy having a timing positioning sensor in your tool box . Slitting the side of a 11/16 deep well socket to remove / install sensor . Replace engine wiring harness at 15 years .

[@gregoryhodge9452]

@@vicpetrishak1077 And some extra head bolts.

[@pruitt3507]

We been having issues with the detroits with the def and regen stuff. We haul a short distance and doesn’t allow full regen, end up having check engine light come on in our concrete trucks and create other issues. Now some of the drivers that drive 40 minutes or more to another plant dont have this issue with the truck. I have a Cat c10, under power for the weight im pushing around but its been a good engine. But cat obviously dont build engines anymore. We also have cummins and its been good but no paccar engines and from what other mechainics told me is to stay away from them due to engines prematurely failing.

[@kitcat2559]

Honestly I think catapiler would still be making engines for semis if all these epa regualtions weren't wanting crazy high mpg from diesels, but I must say these newer engines are very good tho at being efficient and while still having power to haul loads depending on how well there serviced as well and how there driven

[@gradoisx2348]

The best engine hands down is the 6nz catapillar or 3406e catapillar.

[@jrglad]

💯 percent agreed!!

[@georgebobblehead9602]

The new 60 series hands down Best not a fan of 13 speed transmission but that half gear was all it needs to get over mountain passes

[@ccclc6159]

the 13sp is probably the best trans ever, the 18 is great too but there is seldom a reason to split gears in low range

[@rememberingsphoto]

Detroit has the highest HP and kicks ass.👊🏿

[@whosthere2707]

Anything is better than a Detroit . Never had luck with them running a Cummins isx and so far so good

[@JRotten]

Mack Econodyne was a beast of a engine. Back when Mack was all Mack.

[@Peter-V_00]

You're right, back when "Mack" was synonymous with "truck".

[@joshp.2237]

Missed the mark by a mile. Detroit is easily on top. For service locations, you can go almost anywhere and find good service and good parts availability. As for the service interval we regularly stretch our oil changes to 75,000 miles and there are 0 issues with doing so. Mack/Volvo can stay at the bottom but if your list expanded to include Navistar engines the modern ones would put it below the Mack/ Volvo. As for Cummins, it's a one size fits none application. The service and parts availability is almost equivalent to that of Detroit but it goes down more often. Plagued with emissions issues and takes longer to diagnose because of their reliance on the OEM for chassis components such as DEF headers/ DEF lines/ wiring etc that will all cause CEL/MIL and derate though they can't directly provide troubleshooting steps. Instead they have to test and rule out everything before pinpointing the root cause. That in turn leads to higher repair costs.

[@TruckTropia]

thank you so much for sharing :)

[@davidlogel2350]

The fact that you just stated that going 75k miles on an oil change is a good idea and results in zero issues makes your opinion worthless.

[@bleachinuri]

@@davidlogel2350 you are so behind on the advancement of oil technology 🙄, do you really think that they are not sampling the oil every 15-20k, probably spinning a new filter on too, if the sample comes back good, why waste money, you must have too much of it

[@davidlogel2350]

@@bleachinuri you are so behind on using your brain, those numbers are a maximum. Meaning in ideal perfect conditions that is what the manufacturer recommends. Oil is cheap compared to an engine, but you obviously don’t know that. Now you do.

[@bleachinuri]

@@davidlogel2350 you really are clueless, the recommendations for oil change intervals on an Isx are 50k plus, that's cummins recommendations, and I have seen more then that for certain applications, are you saying oil samples are meaningless and science is bullshit. If you are filtering all the crap out of your oil and it is still good why change it, if a sample comes up bad, then you take action, go back to 1972

[@davidwilems8915]

For semis, Cummins and Caterpillar all the way. I also one day dream of swapping a cummins motor into my 1994 f350. That 7.3 idi already has a lot of miles, so i dont expect it to last me another 10 or 20 years

[@georgecass8529]

Really like the Cummins the best . They got me in a Mack now Really disappointed in the fuel mileage .

[@blown572hemi]

I grew up with a owner operator and my father insisted on cummins in all his trucks.

[@adambubacz8058]

Il still stand by my EMD-567. Lol.

[@yvesbelanger5443]

i have a x15 in my freightliner and he torque at 1100 rpm and sometimes 1000 rpm big torque engine i love it

[@paulbeauregard6120]

The old Maxidyne was the best engine ever.

[@vicpetrishak1077]

Mack engines were the leaders . First in low rpm’s and high torque , small turbochargers , air to air coolers , non water contact liners , and brand dependability . Every manufacturer has tried to copy them .Now will come the downfall Volvo making decisions .

[@badlanz8642]

At 230hp

[@wadeeubanks8435]

We had 8 2008 Peterbilts with Cummins we bought brand new. The engines were warrantied to 250,000 miles and all 8 of them broke camshafts at around 260,000. One of them blew a hole in the side of the engine in Denver. Cummins wouldn’t help us out at all so they can go suck one.

[@jonthomsen7433]

I had a in international with a pre emission isx15. Never had problems with that truck and pulled like a freight train. 550hp. The Volvo trucks are the reason I quit truck driving. Decent power but constant emissions problems and coolant hoses blowing ugh. I had a Packard next and they need to get the exhaust brakes up to par with cummins or cats. Vital tools for that much weight.

[@digger105337]

PACCAR not Packard my friend.

[@Deleteguest]

@@digger105337 engines that shitty don’t deserve to have their names pronounced correctly

[@MrShuntking]

Shame this video couldn't include CaT absolutely loved being behind a big old CaT.

[@andrebavaresco9545]

CATERPILLAR

[@RJ-or8bw]

I saw the title and came here to say this. You did not disappoint

[@eltrokerolokochon_5038]

They don’t make caterpillar no more. Detroit series 60 better.

[@RichardJMucia]

@@eltrokerolokochon_5038 they still make cats they're just not factory options anymore due to emissions

[@TellURide447]

They don’t produce highway vehicle engines. They kill it with their off road stuff so they didn’t need to suck cock to get the emissions good for the road

[@Dagumbalaya]

@@eltrokerolokochon_5038 I work for Empire Cat and I can confirm we still rebuild engines from the ground up basically brand new

[@dudleyclerveau1266]

DD15 and the X15 are the best and most reliable new engine out there.

[@alexdreychan566]

Lol

[@bradenconway9066]

I also forgot the mack ez427 was an amazing motor

[@blackwidowsm]

I’ve always been partial to Detroit in trucks and Mann diesels in marine applications.

[@vicpetrishak1077]

I believe the first production line of Paccar engines were built by Mann before Paccar opened a manufacturing facility down south

[@marakana9693]

Cat C15 the best of all the time.

[@petarelez595]

For me Detroit diesel, best sound ever 👌🏻 But can you explain me why there is no Caterpillar engines?

[@TruckTropia]

Caterpillar has a long history of producing quality diesel engines. But as you probably know, they no longer make engines for on-highway applications.

[@petarelez595]

@@TruckTropia okay, you made video about current manufacturers and engine. Got it mate.

[@daveaddington8819]

Cat doesn't make engines for big rigs anymore just for their own equipment.

[@franciscoribeiro286]

They dont do due to the emissions , Cat said few years ago that wasnt profilable for the company to develop a new engine for the emissions that are actually in place.

[@thk7513]

Cat got out of the on highway engines because they did not want to fool with emissions.

[@cesargonzales5459]

12.7 detroit best engine out there til this day

[@morrisdennis]

I was a peterbilt and then a kenworth dealership i asked for their opinion on paccar engines, they both without hesitation said 2 avoid them!😮

[@olepedersen5420]

I will go with Scania V8 770 HP and 3500 torque :-)

[@TruckTropia]

Dont worry, it Will be in the next engine video 👍

[@bjornnyberg1609]

3700 nm

[@garethifan1034]

2800 lbs/ft torque for the 770hp

[@mutlucankartal9524]

The mighty CAT3408 is the best!

[@jaroslavolszewski974]

Cat 3406 and c16 best forever.

[@mutlucankartal9524]

@@jaroslavolszewski974 They might be more fuel efficient HOWEVER CAT3408 is a lot more fun to drive:)

[@dre1011000]

Got an L10 out of a bus and man that thing is powerful.

[@badlanz8642]

That’s a engine you don’t hear much about but the Cummins l/m platform was a pretty good engine and could make some ok power

[@richardcarr6493]

WAIT I SAW MACK OFFERS MP10 ENGINE TOO WHERE S THAT ONE ON THIS LIST?? I also would like to know how a SCANIA 770V8 COMPARES TO THESE ENGINES ??

[@pragasamsupiahs8419]

Well all the American Engines are good and reliable, Cummings engine s are used widely in Marine application, Sarawak Malaysia.

[@user-bn9ui8zi8q]

ДВИГАТЕЛИ СУПЕР👍👍👍

[@olsone187]

Truly is boils down to service network

[@stefank7144]

I got isx15 cummins in my 2015 international, had to rebuilt it at 500,000 miles, it still ran but burned too much oil, probably was abused by knights transport ( got it at 370,000). Its running great since then and puring like a kitten... my volvo 2008 had 1 mill before cummins isx was rebuilt...cats supposed to be the best engines for long life but its sad that the stoped making them after the def nonsence....

[@kevinvoyer5053]

As a driver with 40 years and millions of miles, admittedly retired off the road a few years ago, with an array of service from over the road, to off road earth moving and heavy equipment. In my honest opinion my favorite as a driver, never an owner is Mack, especially in the dump truck realm. With high marks from 30-40 years ago in the R model with the ease of the 5 speed Maxidyne and Econodyne lines of tractors, for a ease of driving overall. Up to the latest Granite with a 450hp with 9 speed.

[@mrmustache-et1uq]

What has better pulling power a Mack or a truck with a cat engine

[@michaelthomas6563]

In terms of fuel efficiency and power, I would have to give the nod to Freightliner Cascadia with the DT12 automatic transmission. Once you turn on the cruise control it sends a signal to a satellite and will run any road in the country as fuel-efficient as possible. The ecoast mode in the transmission will allow the truck to coast when power isn't needed. I could go on a little longer but I think enough has been said $$$ on fuel savings. ⛽️

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

They're pretty slick now. I got a Cascadia but it's an endurance and x15 combo t

[@connorspies]

The Cascadia will drive any road in the country as efficiently as possible, however I don't believe the data is sent live from a satellite. I would guess the terrain is programmed to the trucks computer, and uses a GPS chip to determine position in route.

[@michaelbleckler4379]

Any preemissions engine

[@jameshood3692]

As a paccar technician, don't buy a paccar unless you want a technician to have more job security and if you do, DO NOT wait 75k to change fuel/oil filters🤣

[@slydawg121]

"Paccar - Now equipped with new must service items such as camshaft swaps and counterbore cutting" 😂

[@jameshood3692]

@@slydawg121 it's the GM version of the diesel industry 🤣

[@andyng3666]

Cummins engines are also used in the newest range of Wirtgen road milling machines. In this new range of Wirtgen road milling machines, the Cummins ASX-15 6-cylinder engine is being employed as the heart of the new machines. I have already experienced it when a road milling company uses one of the machines for improvement of the road surface. The company has purchased a new W195 machine for this purpose. When the operators switch on the engine, it is incredibly low noise as the machine starts the milling process. From that time onwards, I begin to like the engine so much that I even dream that I sm the operator.

[@bodyszn2424]

As a mx Tech. I can confidently say cat has my vote.

[@hubertrobinson8825]

I always believed the Cummins is best overall truck engine in the world even the 5.9 12 and 24 valves name for themselves in the medium and light duty trucks

[@bryane2857]

Oh God. A ram fan boy. Did u notice this isn't for light duty trucks? So. Who cares

[@brenttonks4249]

I’ve driven a lot of trucks with most of the engines mentioned in these posts. I lean more towards Cummins as my favourite coupled to an 18 speed, however I was pretty impressed with the little Cat C12. One company I drove for, we flogged the shit out of them mostly leaving the yard grossing 52 tonne and working them through some hilly terrain to our destination and then returning to the yard at around 50 ton. The only thing we did in 3years/750,000km was a turbo and a Horton fan repair, neither were the fault of the engine itself. The trucks were updated at 3 years old and ran 95% of the time loaded. The last Cummins I did serious Kms in I started having troubles with intercoolers, turbos and the cooler on the side of the engine leaking oil into the cooling system at around 600,000km. It was an ISX EGR rated at 550hp and spent most of my time driving it on the temperature gauge. Was a little disappointing but the next Cummins in My K200 was much better.

[@TruckTropia]

thanks for sharing :)

[@leoborn4013]

The best heavy diesels were built from 1970-1990. No emission problems, simple to fix and purely mechanical injection. No electric problems because the only electric needed was for your starter and alternator setup… But of course inefficient and not as powerful as todays 3000nm engines. I love working on machinery, but today that’s not possible without being a computer scientist master. Plus the engines are the absolutely not built to be repaired easily.