Epic CEO Says "Gamers Don't See" Epic Store is Making Industry Better

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[@drunkgorilla]

Yong out

[@hamzafairs3262]

I do like that the epic game store is able to provide more revenue to the developers that sign exclusivity deals, however that doesn't change the fact that launcher itself is quite limited and flimsy

[@motorworks69]

welcome Brothers to the DARKEST timeline! were Greed has Won

[@ColonelEviscerator]

Yeah, it's making the industry better for developers. NOT for customers.

[@nhagan001]

I heard that "I won't do it again" in a movie once. It was about Jeffrey Dahmer. You can't say "we won't snatch games up like Metro Exodus" AFTER YOU ALREADY DID IT. If trust worked that way, I would rob people but leave a note saying "don't worry, this was a one time thing" so they will let me off the hook!

[@Paxtin]

Gamers: (Legit criticism about bait-n-switch exclusives and shady business practices.) Epic: "Why do you hate developers?"

[@kenobiwanobi889]

Gamers: (Point out that the Epic Games Launcher is datamining all sorts of stuff from your PC and messes with your registry) Epic: "Don´t worry, lads, the data isn´t going to Tencent"

[@Froed]

Kenobi Wan Obi Epic: Don’t worry, it’s just going to us, not tencent!

[@AcceptGamingDKD]

Stan Smith, and amazon barely pays its employees anything. They are terrible just the same, at least epic is being honest with its goals

[@UNKNOWNB6]

true

[@xUrsusxXX]

They boast that their exclusivity money is helping devs, but several of these deals were made by publishers or publisher parent companies. We have no idea how much money was paid nor where it's going.

[@nosoyporta]

"Pride and accomplishment" "Accept it or don't buy it" "Do you guys not have phones?" "PC is an open platform" *"Gamers don't see"*

[@nosoyporta]

@Tom The Fish and guess who said that? Yep *Epic games*

[@KaiCalimatinus]

I'll take Outerworlds on disc if I don't have to deal with Epic. When digital distribution technology fails, I'd take a hard copy anyday.

[@KoeSeer]

"you are uneducated"

[@KEYBLADE4BUY2]

It's statements like these that turned me to a life of pirating

[@godhelpme5547]

All of these can be Viper album covers.

[@IShallCallHimTaders]

"You gamers just don't get it." ~The CEO of a conglomerate who's company is 40% owned by a money driven Chinese monopoly.

[@notachinesespy1223]

Most americans just don't get how great and amazing epic games is. Also Tencent is amazing as well. This is coming from an american from america too.

[@vaguedreams]

@@TallulahSoie they also invest in Activision, Dell, MS, Sony, EA, Ubisoft (actually saved them from Zenimax), Nintendo, etc... They actually flat out own Riot.

[@Mephiston]

look at that, all companies with which I refuse to deal. Throw coca-cola and cadburys in there and you'd have a grand slam.

[@MajkaSrajka]

@@TallulahSoie It already happened.

[@taloscal]

I was gonna say something and then I saw your username... well played XD

[@orbitalvagabond3297]

Epic Store - March 2019: Metro Exodus far exceeded expected sales. Exodus Publisher - Q2 Earning statement: Metro Exodus fell far short of expected sales.

[@V404SoS]

It's a shame too, I was going to purchase Exodus but haven't and won't until it's on Steam / GoG. I wanted to get Outter Worlds & VTMB:2 , now that's not happening until the exclusivity ends. Come to think of it .. I should thank Epic, already saved me like $180 this year! Woo!

[@omnibussy]

@Misanthropic Attack Helicopter this..... is an important distinction

[@danielcastaneda4975]

@@V404SoS I have plenty of games on steam to play until I wait

[@darkheart333hotmail3]

Funny thing about this is Steam and Nvidia promoted the game. That is why sales were so good. Ohhh new shiny graphics with new tech. Want game that use it. Try Metro Exodus. Steam was constantly sending me notices about the Metro Exodus. If it wasn't for their promotions sales wouldn't have been as good as they were. It had nothing to do with Epic.

[@naughtyhieroglyph669]

so limiting the stores a product can be sold in can negatively affect sales? No way!!!! /s

[@I.Fumblebee.I]

"Don't like it, don't buy our game" - EA "You guys have phones right?" - Blizzard "Gamers don't know what they want" - EA Do they just not learn?

[@madlad8601]

They will whem v stop paying them but there way 2 many fanboys for the failure of them. Remember people were defending anthem

[@Chozo_Ghost]

Shouldn't that last one be Epic instead of EA? Or, hell, it works with both lol

[@roflcoppter117]

"How many times must we teach you this lesson old man?!"

[@oracle_8947]

They'll learn when they feel the the kick from the gaming community in their wallet. Which has replaced their balls at this point. And their brains.

[@Pancakes26]

"How many times do we have to teach this lesson old man?!"

[@sonofriggnarok9320]

I wasn't aware forcing us to use their launcher and giving us Spyware was making the industry better. LOL

[@jaseneffendy17]

Well it is better for OTHER third parties but hey Epic, feel free to shoot yourselves in the foot

[@TuberoseKisser]

Facts.

[@coolguyxoxo]

and that’s why I dumped the epic launcher. Epic is shooting themselves in the foot.

[@Opachki69420]

@manny022 its intentional datamining by tencent

[@andressaiyan101]

LOL you arent forced

[@KoongYe]

Another CEO in gaming industry that thinks they are SOOOOO smarter than their customers. Its almost an epidemic.

[@godofdarknes]

Its one thing to think that, its another thing entirerly to say it in the customers face...How can Business Exec's be this fucking stupid?

[@ch109861]

It's awfully common for silicon valley CEOs to be such pompous assholes to say this, just look at Apple.

[@St4rdog]

You think you're smarter than Tim Sweeney? LOL.

[@gentlemanjoker1777]

for sure. pisses me off feels almost wasteful for all the work and passion that the Devs and artists put into in designing some of these things only for arrogant know nothing bots to ram some final say or stipulation to great works that in turn suffer because of the ppl calling the shots after its creation. It's time to cut out the middleman.

[@whatthe9256]

Well if a costumer like you was actually smarter then you must be richer than them by now

[@TheRhetoricGamer]

The Epic CEO always seem to dodge or ignore major concerns about the platform while he boasts it's good for the industry.

[@stansmith4091]

Well that's a sociopath for you...

[@zSTALKn]

“We aren’t afraid of Apex Legends” **proceeds to tease respawn vans**

[@izaicslinux6961]

The worst part is that people actually believe him. "oh, stop whining about your stupid stores" is the most common comeback from the fools buying off of epic. (next to "it's good to have competition!")

[@TMLCJLK]

What a bunch of BS. Forced and artificial monopoly is not competition; it is the death of it. Only a complete idiot would fall for this “we are trying to make the industry a better place and pass the savings to the gamers”. This “savings” won’t result in lower prices, but in higher profits. And once “Epic” has its monopoly, I bet that they won’t keep this “generous” system (and that’s when they will stop). Their general practices (towards their competition, their users, gamers in general and even towards data protection laws) show that they are not an ethical company and I won’t be fooled by this supposed good intentions speech of “we know what is best for you”. If they were at least ethical, even without good intentions, they would fight Steam with better prices and features, not artificial barriers built with bribes.

[@asain3586]

Preach my brother!

[@zenssa6686]

I'm waiting on the dumbasses who kept supporting Epic games and kept telling people who are annoyed, stupid.

[@Justin-fk6br]

"YoU jUsT dOn'T wAnT tO dOwNlOaD aNoThEr laUnCHeR."

[@NoroGameplays]

I was aware already they were garbage company a long time ago, back in the indie game movie documentary, one of the Devs commented on how epic games and EA were bad companies, both statements turned out to be more than correct in these last year's

[@bazzar619]

Are you actually using "monopoly" as an argument against epic here. i love steam but in this case its a monopoly and people hate on any competitor to it because its an inconvenience. Epic is competing with steam by paying more to developers so that steam has to do the same to keep up, this results in better games as more money is made from those games by the developers. What have they done that is unethical?

[@yamiji3380]

Just you know, a small detal - Discord store offers 90/10 split, which is even better than Epic. And yet we don't see publishers rushing over there for a better split, or Epic helping their brothers who "better the industry". Because it has always been about screwing Steam over for standing alongside consumers in many situations, like paid mods fiasco for one. Epic brings us to the future publishers want, because they will be able to screw us over more.

[@TFBUPatron]

This comment deserves more upvotes

[@juanrad9842]

devs dont rush to discord because discord isnt bribing them with millions of dollars to put the game on their store, unlike epic

[@zura8879]

@@juanrad9842 His message is more for the shills going "Publisher choose Epic for the revenue cut!!111".

[@Daxank]

@@juanrad9842 they did actually, but only to some indie devs. Like the guys behind Sinner : Sacrifice for Redemption and some other games I forgot.

[@daddysempaichan]

I keep on forgetting that Discord have their own store.

[@Miragexe]

Taking credit for sales for a game you put zero effort in, no advertisement, no funding, no development.. '' Look at how good our store is guys''

[@TuningAnApple]

Yeah, I would have never heard of metro Exodus if it weren't on the steam front page.

[@raptorjesus3894]

Also you could preorder the game through Steam, how many of the sales are from that? Compare The Witcher 2 sales to The Witcher 3 sales and you'll find they've also increased. The Metro series wasn't as popular when Last Light came out, so of course it sold less.

[@DatGrunt]

Metro as a franchise wouldn't even survive and exist today if it wasn't for Steam.

[@Miragexe]

@@raptorjesus3894 The comparison is pretty ridiculous.. in the first place because Steam didn't even get to compete, and secondly that Last light came out in 2013.. Steam, and the gaming industry has exploded since then, back in 2013 Steam had a peak of 7 million users, now it's around 19 million, so purely based on that it's 2.5x by default without taking any kind of hype or game legacy into consideration.

[@the_furry_inside_your_walls639]

@@raptorjesus3894 They also used the Steam preorder sales in conjunction with their Epic Store sales, so their statistics are complete bullshit.

[@melloncollieowl]

"Don't you see we are trying to help?" - Every authortarian and totalitarian ever.

[@nerofl89]

Exactly! This is not competition, it's about taking control of the market.

[@nodwick4231]

I don't see how stealing Steam files from my hard disk is making the industry better...

[@enginelol]

Ni Hao!

[@ououkuaipao]

@@maxb5063 fuck my Chinese government they dont even release r rate game in cn

[@meleemastermaa1449]

They need to sell your information to get more exclusive deals. Please understand!

[@billyhatcher643]

they stole our files from our steam account and how dare they have the balls to say that theyre making the industry better

[@needlewind9053]

Epic pulling the cliché anime villain "I'm doing the right thing, you kids just can't understand how righteous I am."

[@Brandelwyn]

True, thats some dr.Breen-level bullshit

[@LookBehindQ]

All for one

[@exxelsetijadi5348]

You mean that : Something that seem evil to us, may actually be a good deed to others

[@raics101]

Handsome Jack is hardly a cliché anime villain.

[@jiin6]

i going for the "Abusive spouse" in my mindset

[@commandermajorsoldier]

We should want to use epic launcher, not have to use it.

[@the_furry_inside_your_walls639]

This right here. Show me why Epic Launcher is better than Steam or GoG. Don't make me use it by forcing third party games into exclusivity.

[@wrathofsanta7424]

Absolutely, make us want to use it, by providing a good, secure service at competitive prices not through coercion. People never respond well to a bully, I know whenever I faced a bully they got a fist in the face. Epic, stop the bully boy tactics.

[@robbobbrah8953]

Indeed, very well put... And id expect nothing less from Big Boss himself.

[@wrathofsanta7424]

I actually want more online outlets so gamers can benefit from price competition, but this is not the way to go about it.

[@robhans5]

Then no one would use it. Like no one using other stores that failed, or are about to fail like GoG. Even if other store had cheaper prices, people were no steam = no buy, or didn't even now about that store to begin with.

[@TomatoBreadOrgasm]

"Ultimately, this is about making the industry a better place, starting with the terms available for developers." No, it's about making it a better place for Epic. If this were about the developers, you wouldn't care about securing exclusivity. Don't bullshit us. "I understand gamers don't see that." I wouldn't go around accusing others of being blind, buddy. "They don't see the hardship of making a payroll and seeing the store suck out 30% of the revenue from it. It can be jarring to see the industry is changing in ways that are typically invisible to us as gamers." Okay. How does that justify exclusivity? Don't bullshit us.

[@Vaffelhjerte]

Regarding that last quote.... do they not know consumer pays taxes? No one live off of their gross income.

[@daxtorsstuff7678]

it isnt competition, they're literally paying their way to the top

I mean, it makes sense. Companies have been forcing players to "pay their way to the top" in their rigged, microtransactions-flooded games. In their twisted, greedy minds it's logical that they can do it the same way.

[@alexf0723]

That's basically every multiplayer game after 2013

[@hackelhack4595]

You sound like you just got out of the fucking pussy do you even UNDERSTAND HOW BUSINESS WORKS.

[@thepocketmonsterfamily2007]

Amazon.2.01

[@Michael.Hunt.14-52]

Paying their way to the top is inaccurate. They're buying enough of an install base so they can be taken seriously as a competitor to steam. I understand the backlash but in what realistic way could they compete otherwise.

[@Roadstar1602]

The thing is, in real life the bad guys have no idea they are the bad guys.

[@StarContract]

Objectively wrong :) I'm a clinical psychologist, you can do some reading, it is very interesting

[@NightmareBlade10]

Nah mate, the concept of being bad is relative anyway. If they aren't bad, at the very least they are greedy and self interested as hell.

[@eriadorranger2196]

“Do you think we’re the baddies?”

[@pabloc4204]

Just like Jack in BL2, "I am the hero, you are the bad guys!"

[@cadenwilkerson369]

Epic Games: “Am I the bad guy? No, it must be the gamers!”

[@Jaimas]

Yes, insulting your potential customerbase will surely make them want to buy your product.

[@Daimaza]

Theyre pulling an EA

[@Justaguywithglassesok]

*EA:* i can ruin my reputation within less then a year *EPIC:* Hold my beer.

[@mrnoob62]

They don't have a potential consumer base though, everything they have done is a total disaster and they already vilified their reputation to a point of no return, now its just a matter of time before they crash since they are using money to keep things running.

[@Nahan_Boker94]

They only had those fortnite gamers. If it isnt exclusivity of certain games such as metro exodus there is really small chance people will buy anything in their store. Yet with only less than 50 games released on their store as far as I'm seen, they think they are as big as steam...

[@ShadowedKnight]

It worked for Battlefield V............right?

[@Triicell]

Sounds like an antagonist trying to justify their insanity.

[@SIPEROTH]

The same insanity Steam was doing all this years against GOG?

[@Triicell]

@@SIPEROTH Not sure what you're referring to.

[@nick1635]

@@SIPEROTH nope

[@zentikk]

@@SIPEROTH do you have any example?

[@stansmith4091]

The actions of a true sociopath, I wonder if he's got people chained up in his cellar.

[@benmasta5814]

I love the whole "pass the savings on to the consumers" as if games will magically be cheaper. They are gonna be sold at the same price to us, the companies just make more. Where is the benefit for us gamers? Good feelings for the developers? lol wtf

[@DeathBringer769]

Yup, we've heard that excuse in the past (like when games started switching to mostly digital) but they almost never pass on the savings or benefits to us, lol. They just keep more. It doesn't necessarily guarantee better quality games, less buggy games or more games either. They are just appealing to theoretical nice-sounding ideals that never pan out in reality (and the history of the industry shows this.)

[@cucumbra]

uuh yes? supporting developers is in your best interest. not saying I agree with what Epic is doing, but more money for your favorite devs means biggger, more ambitious games in less time. Honestly, never understood how people can consume games without a forethought to the hundreds of hard working individuals who busted ass to make them.

[@johnwolf2349]

@@cucumbra except it doesn't really even support the developers. Do you really think any of these publishers are sending the Epic money to the Developers? No, they're keeping it to themselves and patting themselves on the back.

[@mawillix2018]

Ricky Renna The money isn't going to the developers though.

[@johnwolf2349]

@@cucumbra and if you want to support Devs, you should be using the Discord store, that has a 90/10 split.

[@bovinleephann]

Epic: "lol maybe sniping metro 3 weeks before launch wasn't a good idea" You're realizing that NOW!?

[@dumbdickler670]

We NEVER want to do that again. So let's take The Outer Worlds, a game what was advertised to come out on Steam and NOT on the epic games store, and make it exclusive to the epic games store. Also Phoenix Point, a game advertised to come out on Steam. Oops

[@Mayhzon]

@@dumbdickler670 I lost all goodwill for Epic when they started the Exclusive trend, a trend that was previously only on consoles and fucked us PC gamers for long enough. Now just as finally all the big publishers put their console games also on PC and have gotten confident that it will sell, Epic comes along and brings the shit marketing and selling strategy back. I will always hate them for it. But not as much as the Bolshevist Jews subverting ethnic Europeans and their culture. Still fuck Epic games!

[@deerby1500]

Its entirely up to the developer or publisher to make the excusive deals. It isnt epic reaching out and taking ips with their bare hands, as much as people want to believe

[@Mayhzon]

@@deerby1500 Yes, and it's entirely our choice not to buy their shit. This straw blows both ways, Ponyman.

[@therealcactoos9457]

Mayhzon *ePic MeGaLovAnIa in background*

[@88ights]

Lmao, the CEO sounds like a delirious final boss who thinks he's doing the right thing.

[@ezergilechimekazikura6855]

Like Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.

[@DeathBringer769]

The villain who has deluded themselves into thinking they are the hero...

[@goodnesswhy]

lol As of now, he is more like a side boss compared to EA's CEO.

[@Chwarzerd]

@@goodnesswhy I'd say hes one of the major villains with EA being the overarching villain of the saga.

[@kizmo2317]

Handsome Jack comes to mind.

[@oxaile4021]

There's a smaller chance of installing spyware when pirating than there is when installing the epic launcher.

[@FerunaLutelou]

When pirating you have a chance to install spyware, when using Epic you get spyware even if you dont buy any games.

[@denisds130]

@@FerunaLutelou Exactly!

[@queenelizabethii4331]

Yep

[@happyalltheday2275]

Ya know? Downloading GTA 5 on Ocean Games is better and you can mod the game than Epic games shit! Both take longer to download but Ocean Games download speed is depend on chrome internet

[@happyalltheday2275]

Also you will not find any malware in Ocean Games

[@ringdangdoo831]

Unbelievable. They make one successful game and they think they run the industry.

[@Chrome-uc3fw]

Ego the size of the moon

[@magnazoni8715]

@@Chrome-uc3fw tubemen tubemen hail sentients

[@magnazoni8715]

Once Fortnite has collapsed they'll change the split so they have more money

[@Taneuma_563]

One day possibly soon that ego will crush them like an ant.

[@OnlySuzu]

What "successful game" you speak of.?

[@Snotnarok]

"If we want the savings to ultimately be passed on to gamers"- He instantly loses all credibility there. Let's review the last 10 years quickly, shall we? -Games offered digitally. Enabling larger profits via no manufacturing of discs/carts, boxes, having to ship an store them. -Publishers stop including manuals. -Season passes. -More and more DLC and less unlockable stuff in games. -Microtransactions and lootboxes in full priced games. (Edit to add this one)-Publishers creating their own digital platforms and raking in 100% of the profits. All of which are making record profits while the publishers don't pay taxes because of loopholes they have made in the law. Wow, they're making a lot of money! So, when do we get these 'savings'? Wait, we don't. Publishers just keep taking away. Money doesn't trickle down, savings are never passed on. It never, works, that, way. The publishers rake in more to impress investors and the only thing that changes is the customers get less in the product that they pay more for via more monetization. Developers aren't going to see any more of the profits either, it's going to go straight to the publisher's offshore accounts and the devs are going to be left doing the usual awful crunch time and laid off promptly after. Epic isn't doing devs, or customers any favors. Epic's launcher recently been found to be datamining user's PCs and steam accounts isn't helping this argument either.

[@whereismycrewyo]

You forgot inflation. And cost of developing games nowadays

[@kodaskii5042]

whereismycrew yo And you’re vastly overcompensating how high inflation is. If Cyberpunk 2077 and the Witcher 3 could be made without micro-transactions and other stupid bullshit (while keeping an incredibly high profit if the Witcher is any indication), then why can’t anyone else?

[@victorvondean]

@@whereismycrewyo when studios like EA post profits of 1+ billion a year I don't believe that for a second

[@DeathBringer769]

Yep, they almost NEVER pass on the savings or the increased profits to the gamer (plus they still haven't done proper regional pricing for those outside of US either so they are literally paying more than usual.) History has clearly showed that. It's silly for them to try to appeal to these theoretical ideals that never pan out in reality. It doesn't guarantee better games, or more games, or less buggy games, or cheaper games, etc. Pro-developer doesn't necessarily always translate out to also being pro-consumer. Often times it's sadly the opposite.

[@Snotnarok]

@@DeathBringer769 The thing is I'd be more for it if it DID benefit the developer, but like I said and you probably wager, this only benefits the publisher. And in a world with publishers who lay off devs by the dozens after a game releases or dissolves the company after acquiring it, I don't see them benefiting the dev either.

[@Xenonuke]

"My concern remains that Microsoft is holding the option of using its *power of monopoly to force consumer PCs into their store and out of other competing software sources* " - Tim Sweeney 2016

[@MrSquishles]

And yet they have no plans for a linux client; the thing that burns me is metro and borderlands had linux support in prior version; If they're on a storefront with no linux client they will not release a linux version; this is one of the big defenses they could have against microsoft pulling the nuclear option and is a big reason steam did that themselves.

[@kalessin4942]

Clearly, Tim Sweeney only cares about companies acting badly when it hurts him. When it helps him, he's all for it - especially when it's his company that's acting badly.

[@stansmith4091]

The hypocrisy of a delusional sociopath. It's creepy that his company acts like a predator while he looks like a predator. His company is as ugly as he looks, It's that whole thing about people looking like their dogs.

[@MarcAl79]

They wouldn't be able to do that. They tried it in the past; pc's that work with Internet Explorer and nothing else. It went to court and they lost.

[@bromine_35]

*Seinfeild intro plays*

[@Raxyz_0]

I love how hard they're riding the revenue share argument. Especially because Discord store offers an even better deal than Epic, and no developer cares. lmao

[@damnlogin]

@@Slomowo Wow. I didn't even know it existed.

[@nwclark]

The Legend of Texas no it’s the opposite.

[@EvnRain]

The Legend of Texas LMFAOOO

[@aae.619]

@The Legend of Texas You look so dumb right now. How did you do that?

[@matthewadamsteil]

Im definatley going to try and use that platform. They made a great chat service and i love the sound of giving more to devs.

[@thebluenucleus]

Ah yes, attacking the consumers That worked well for EA and Blizzard

[@neo_child]

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it"

[@orangesareblue2237]

“Yolo lol”

[@POTTERANDMATRIXFAN]

"Do you guys not have phones??"

[@johnsherfey3675]

And I think Bethesda did it.

[@rotopope]

0% of the time... It works everytime

[@zgSH4DOW]

Epic: "Am I the bad guy?.....No, it's everyone else that's wrong" Can we have a moment to remind ourselves that Epic Store is literal spyware?

[@tyrus1235]

It annoys me so much that they felt justified in digging through your personal and private files without asking for your authorization first! I mean, there's an API for that sort of thing. Tim saying they avoided it because they didn't want to deal with 3rd party software is absolute BS. I'm a web developer so using APIs is something I do all the time. It's secure, controlled and, most important, retains your privacy as you can only access the data if the user agrees to do it and the third party allows you to.

[@qwertyuiop6006]

@@tyrus1235 They dont ask you cuz obv most ppl would just turn it off and tencent demands that epic data mines you being their bigest shareholder.

[@toboe156]

And because of that, I’ve uninstalled Epic games launcher on both my PCs. Still running in the background when I removed it from my startup programs made that an easy decision.

[@holythirteenx1]

And this was AFTER they ASSURED everybody that tencent's shitty practices wouldn't affect their users. That really shows you how much they care about such concerns.

[@foodhatesme]

@@PillowTrauma just because someone else is doing it doesnt mean it's okay to do...

[@TheOddBanna]

Epic: *Insults gamers* Epic: Why do people hate us?

[@firecaps3140]

Wait when did they go full EA

[@DarthUmbra]

You never go full EA.

[@johnsherfey3675]

@@DarthUmbra that's pretty epic.

[@jacobbabb4340]

Epic-Shoots self in foot "Why would gamers do this?"

[@daftlogic]

@@DarthUmbra lmao Nice

[@door-to-doorhentaisalesman2978]

I used to pirate games, but when I discovered Steam I stopped. After 13 years, I feel like pirating games again particularly those that are not available on Steam.

[@BRBingeDrinker]

Not quite the same, but the last one yes. I never really stopped pirating.

[@rahimieahmad2911]

exactly the same to me. i used to just download shits with crack, then i used steam and feels like all my problem is solved. except that original games are piling up in my library. xD and such case never happened before in gaming industry. where more people prefer to buy than pirating. the fucking level of convenience. flash sale, summer sale, winter sale then we all used to wait for them. like online marketplace except it's for gaming.

[@hohhoch3617]

@@rahimieahmad2911 Yea the music industry used to have HUGE problems with piracy. Then companies discovered if you just make it more convenient to buy/listen to the music legally than actually pirating it, then no one would pirate. And my god it worked! Steam was doing basically the same thing, but now with Epic... Tis time to go back to the seas.

[@BRBingeDrinker]

HoH hoch I never stopped pirating music tbh. Nothing's worth listening too if it's not the highest quality flac you can find.

[@tachikaze7777]

agree.

[@andreashun]

How does installing spyware on my computer and illegally stealing data from me make the industry better? Epic-fail CEO is right, "I don't see it!"

[@jerrydickerson1111]

they are owned by communist what do you expect

[@jerrydickerson1111]

@Lucas O'Sullivan Dude companies in Chinia have too ask permission from the government to exist many of the owners are party members or have connections in the communist government why do you think Chinese companies have been buying up controlling stakes in Hollywood or trying to buy reddit its about controlling the narrative taking over from the shadows like Hydra in marvel.

[@connormacleod4922]

The China's economy is Capitalist but it's government is still in many ways, Communist. Chinese citizens barely knows WTF goes on outside their country due to media suppression and other BS.

[@the_dropbear4392]

@Lucas O'Sullivan Because the majority share holder is a Chinese company.

[@iktanmiztonton3477]

@Lucas O'Sullivan Mostly, they are owned by a chinese company.

[@gwakkkroniicler6400]

Give a guy a little bit of power, they fall in all kinds of love with themselves. - Booker Dewitt

[@BackupSix76066]

*BRING US THE GIRL AND WIPE AWAY THE DEBT*

[@Oldboy2305]

Now I want to go back and play bioshock

[@KuroiPK]

TallulahSoie not just gaming company but that’s beside the point. Another nice quote from Acton, “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”

[@kastaway-m4x]

Little bit? It takes massive amounts of money to ever start up 1 server, let alone a store. You don't know what you're talking about, you'll never open a business let alone run it.

[@gwakkkroniicler6400]

@@kastaway-m4x r/Wooosh

[@napalm777]

I like how he says giving gamers a better price, when metro exodus cost over twice as much in some countries because of foreign exchange which valve actually covers a great deal of.

[@tinypixiebread]

I noticed that too, in Japan the game price literally double, my tweet about it got silent treatment from EPIC store

[@GreyWolf9820]

Its almost triple in Turkey

[@notachinesespy1223]

@@tinypixiebread Because no one likes japan. Everyone likes China so much more, that is why japans price is higher. This is coming from an american in america.

[@falanginthailand]

Good point same problem and nobody cares just packing the pocket,

[@vaguedreams]

So the guys bragging about buying it for $17 in India are lying?

[@keithsvenson568]

epic games boss: We need people to like us. i need ideas! employee 1: hold the players' favorite games hostage employee 2: shady business deals with developers so they betray their audience employee 3: actually work to build a good reputaiton epic games boss: *stares at employee 3 and then chucks him out a window*

[@rifleman2c997]

"Gamers don't see" What? Your violation of user data? Your shoddy security given how many times fortnight had been breeched? How you take away the voice of the consumer? Ok.

[@Trey50Daniel]

Epic CEO: The platform war will be won by the developers, not the consumer. Epic CEO(angered): Why don't consumers want to buy on our platform?

[@ApollyonZKX]

@Shadowuser Fighter well epic fails in that too. Fortnite truly did ruin gaming.

[@deviatetaco3757]

@@ApollyonZKX fortnite didn't ruin gaming. It's actually a fun game for what it's genre is. If you don't like how it looks, that's fine, but let's not pretend it wasn't the top battle Royale game for the past year.

[@tjlawal570]

@@ApollyonZKX yes FN brought in so many casual people who haven't been informed or care about the sneaky business practices these bad companies do.

[@tsunamie1015]

@@deviatetaco3757 Totally Accurate Battlegrounds is the one and only BR.

[@georgeharrison3726]

GAYMERS RISE UP!!! FUCK IN THE ASS AND CHANGE YOUR SEX!

[@MagicPumpkin]

No doubt the Metro sales figures include the people that preordered the boxed copy expecting a Steam key, and probably the digital Steam preorders too.

[@FEARSWTOR]

Not only that, I havent seen any timeframes listed. Are they comparing lifetime sales of the previous game? Day one sales? Week one? Comparing the day one sales of a game that almost no one heard of or cared about with day one sales of a game that got, by comparison, a much larger marketing push and more coverage because the previous game developed a fanbase over a longer span of time is not exactly apples to apples.

[@so_blind9018]

Beat me to it by 5 hours. Can't wait to have these conversations all over again once the Google platform launches in Q4. 😅 Also, Deep Silver claiming it's to further support their products is BS. Can't wait to see the executive bonuses that get dished out. Bait and switch marketing strategy to bolster profits and improve margins. It's theft plain and simple.

[@Hosenanzugtasche]

The whole comparison is shlock, if they had announced the deal at the very beginning less people would have been hyped.

[@daanvandenheuvel]

Metro exodus did so well that after a few weeks of release alot of KZbinrs suddenly get sponsored to play metro exodus, makes you wonder 🤔🤔🤔

[@admaerable]

@@daanvandenheuvel You are right. Some youtubers I watch received Metro for free. And some of them (Scribe for example) don't even play FPS so often. I wonder what happened?..

[@ItsaMeGo]

Epic :"It's about the game, not the platform" Also Epic: strong arms game exclusives on their platform This isn't Epic vs Steam,this is Epic vs PC gaming. There are many edge lords that "don't care" about that. Wait for Epic's bait and switch on developer payout and giveaways, the first taste is always free.

[@taski1]

I don't care that much, but mostly because I don't feel like Epic is going to make a dent in Steam. That and there's literally thousands of games I could be playing instead that aren't on epic.

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

Please explain to me why this is such a big deal and not petty in the slightest. If I own Doritos and chose to sell it only at Walmart, if you want, then go get it. If you don't then it is 100% your right to be upset that they're only sold there, and you won't go there if you don't want it. Except unlike that scenario you can still buy a physical copy of the game if it's truly that bad.

[@technicallymax1242]

@@outogetyougotyou5250 lolbertarians being lolberts.

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

@@technicallymax1242 Era of outrage!

[@ShadowFox7921]

Hey Epic, you okay there? Your EA is showing...

[@LyaksandraB]

I'll never get this bull. Plenty of companies pull the same shit and Sony has closed plenty of studios.

[@distributeroffineopioidpro1703]

@@LyaksandraB Yeah but Sony actually makes good games or at least endorses them. Look at last year as a good example with God of War.

[@joaomacabrodeath]

@@LyaksandraB And I don't see Sony trying to sell incomplete games and saying in two or three years they will add loot box

[@Jubessin]

Being condescending towards consumers is a great way to gain more customers.

[@magnazoni8715]

Look how battlefield 5 turned out. Great technique

[@MiorAkif]

Outstanding move

[@aethertoast4320]

"But if we make them realize how dumb they are they will be so happy towards us for enlightening them" -Epic CEO

[@miaththered]

Ah good, personal attacks on the consumers have begun!

whats better way to get people to buy your products than to insult them!

[@Jack10016]

Astrid Wells They have been insulting our intelligence for several years, this isn’t too much of a step up.

[@itzhen7032]

Mauro Molinero he has learned from EA i see

[@miaththered]

@@Jack10016 Yes, they have, this is just a new voice joining the screeching.

[@ignignxkt]

That's a sign this company is going places! Like the trash can!

[@dragonfire5511]

they cant get exclusives forever, they will eventually run out of fortnite money

[@kalessin4942]

Yeah, but they're hoping that they'll have a foothold in the market by then, and they have a _lot_ of Fortnite money. Also, they're getting money for every sale, so if games do well enough, they'll make back all of that Fortnite money they spent anyway. Unfortunately, they could almost certainly continue with exclusivity deals for years to come if that's what they decide to do.

[@dafyb7568]

By the time their money ran out, everyone would already be forced to Epic Launcher

[@hboyvn]

Doubt that.the chinese may lacking anything but the money especially tencent

[@lordcommissar7813]

@@kalessin4942 problem is companie may stop selling it to them if the games don't sell enough so I say we ignore epic and let them die

[@edge3220]

Welcome to the console wars. Now available on PC.

[@markkiefer3243]

Pffft...hardly a war. Steam doesn't even have to do anything, Epic is digging itself a grave.

[@hackelhack4595]

Pc gamers had no idea how good they had it. You dont have to pay for a new fucking console. just Install a bloody program. And look at how these brainlets are reacting.

[@TheythinkimNinja]

@@hackelhack4595 difference is you cant design a game for xbox and it work on switch and ps4

[@sonicthehedge]

*Epic games is putting these awesome exclusive to there store instead of steam* **PC's morale is dropping**

[@adlerhauser129]

youbdo realize the elic games store is missing several features from steam, allows game devs to remove user reviews, and USE SPYWARE TO SPY ON YOUR STEAM FILES

[@ignis488]

Epic Store: "We don't want to make that Metro Exodus situation again..." Also Epic Store: hi there Phoenix Point

[@Convael]

And : " hi outer world " , "hi division 2 " probably upcoming " hi borderlands 3 ".

[@midshipman8654]

Nguyen Dung hi there outer worlds

[@TheythinkimNinja]

@@user-zd2kl9yg4v phoenix point advertised steam and told its backers they could chose between the stores of their choice, they then changed this after being croudfunded

[@itsgugy6982]

Epic store *nom nom nom* every games

[@DeadNoob451]

Phoenix points devs contacted epic, so thats 100% on them.

[@indiexanna]

"Compete by giving, not compete by taking away" Couldn't have said it better, you rock Yong!

[@callak_9974]

Yeah, perhaps have the companies that sign up give free dlc or other stuff (just some cosmetic things though to keep balance), but still release on all distribution channels.

[@RealNyaga]

But they literally give away two free games per month

[@StarMarshal]

Elmer Flores like what?

[@RealNyaga]

@@StarMarshal Subnautica, Oxenfree, and Super Meat Boy to name a few. Free to keep forever, mind you, not just for the month.

[@falken5555]

@@RealNyaga And hold out on games through exclusivity.

[@iateyoface9d7]

"We believe there should be a choice to break Valve's stranglehold on the marker" *Proceeds to stranglehold exclusives*

[@nose-km3fj]

wow valve has soo many markers

[@TheRibbonRed]

7:56 Actually Yong, it *is* the end of the world for some countries like mine (Indonesia) where Epic forces us to pay in US Dollars--which can only be accomplished via Credit Cards or certain niche bank accounts--or get screwed and play the pirated versions. Steam supports local currencies such as Indonesian Rupiah, and this enables us to directly buy giftcards and use them without having to opt in a credit card plan or open a new bank account.

[@courier7049]

Funny enough there's an article from polygon where they interviewed some developers that are displeased with regional pricing and as polygon is against steam they also argued that having lower prices for some countries is very anti developer.

[@satrioekowicaksono7452]

@@courier7049 They didn't realize that small amount of money is better than no money at all. Regional pricing help consumers in weaker exchange rate with US dollar, which means any consumer can buy the game within their budget. And if they don't do regional pricing everyone would just pirate the games, since it's not logical to buy game worth half of your monthly salary.

[@NormanReaddis]

It'll be the end of third world countries if the industry goes full on streaming

[@Thatsmahnut]

@Roger Dodger how is that a good thing?

[@genmeriphoton7655]

Roger Dodger ...none? It's not like we can get extremely rich in just one miliseconds.

[@silverscorpio8817]

The fact that Sweeney is talking about this proves that Epic is worried. Epic is not breeding customer loyalty but are holding customers ransom. At the end of the day Epic's hostages will always back the store they prefer and I doubt that that choice will be Epic.

[@kjj26k]

Unless Stockholm Syndrom....

[@Sentinel82]

@Shia Lebeouf: Life Coach No. Steam doesn't bribe devs to release exclusively on their platform. They are simply the most populated and well known platform.

[@dax7574]

"We want to help the consumer, that's why we are trying to force them to our store via exclusives and temporally better prices for the developers". Oksurematebye.

[@deuswulf6193]

Valve did the same back in the day, if you wanted to play some PC titles you were forced into using steam, which required you to create an account, thus logging in to play. At the time, gamers just installed off a CD and did not need online connection or anything else. So lets be fair here. Valve doesnt exactly have clean hands either when it comes to that.

[@anotaku77]

@@deuswulf6193except they only need it first for their own steam game, other dev just like it so much they just put it on steam so they can get coverage and free drm.

[@probablynotdad6553]

@@deuswulf6193 those were steam owned games though, big difference.

[@niteip187]

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. By all means carry on whining and forgoing great games because of your ignorant shortsightedness. The cash will keep flowing, Epic is unstoppable.

[@tfwthelsdkicksin6083]

Is this the same Epic that made fortnite or is that another one?

[@stansmith4091]

The epic apologists "but the poor developers will get more money to make games" Garbage!, they'll be lucky to get a fraction of that extra revenue. That Epic money is going straight to publishers, investors, stockholders and into the pockets of senior management, don't kid yourself that the actual people who make the games are getting this, don't be that naive.

[@doryl.5948]

@Emergeo2 I will admit I have a slight bias for Steam due to how long it has been around, but I don't think Epic is a good choice overall. Sure, Steam charges a pretty hefty premium to publish games for them, which I personally don't think is fair at the level it's at. I could easily host my game for free on Google if I was an indie dev, and only for a few bucks a month for larger AAA titles. However, the problem with Epic is that they engage in anti-consumer behavior. While you could argue that "they're only making the game exclusive for a while, unlike sony", which is true, it is a pain to have to choose to buy at a certain store because it's only available there. This anti-consumer mindset is not something I want to promote so I would not buy from there to reduce the demand. To answer your question, yes, Epic does probably provide a better result for developers, but without the information of how much goes to developers vs publishers, I can't say for sure which store is better - Steam or Epic.

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

So the fuck what, why is it such a big deal? Is it because it was originally going to be on steam and they all of a sudden changed their mind? That is fair enough and is a shitty move...but to dwell on a decision made by those who have the legal rights to the IP and wherever they choose seems to be making a mountain out of a mole hill. I mean heck just purchase a physical copy that will teach em' and you will be able to enjoy a game (I'm assuming because you're so upset by this) that you wanted to play.

[@levilee207]

"The demographic we made a thing for doesn't like the thing we made for them" "What's wrong with our demographic?"

[@elilla331]

Sounds familiar doesn't it. There's an entire group of bean counters and MBA's that think that because they've got that nice, new hot, shiny degree(s), that the answer is always "the market is wrong, not us!"

[@enderkatze6129]

"Am I out of touch?" "No,it must be the Kids who are wrong"

[@MiniBlackWaltz]

Insulting the people you want to buy your product Flawless business tactic, Epic. Pissing off consumers has definitely been shown to work in the past after all

[@NormanReaddis]

Look at movies nowadays they are on a roll lol

[@Flo-mz8ct]

Their customers are mostly minors, they probably dont care.

[@ARB1452]

What do you mean Buy? It’s a free launcher

[@Simtar123]

Its the best tactic. 😑

[@ARB1452]

Snails40 exactly man The games like metro and outer worlds aren’t their product so what product is it that people are saying epic is trying to get them to buy?

[@hazamax2139]

"It's about games, not stores" then why are you making this freaking exlusivity contracts?

[@ffboi7]

Shhhh your using logic

[@lesterramos6468]

Without games that only THEY can sell, there will be no store for them.

[@wylie2835]

Same reason a grocery store would do it if walmart were to suddenly be like "yeah, fuck market value, we are now taking a larger cut per unit of your product than we are worth". Anyone selling things at walmart would cut ties with them immedietly and any store worth half a brain sell would offer exlcusivity. Stop defending steams bullshit.

[@johnsherfey3675]

Because we exclusively want it to be about OUR games. So, it is about games, not the store.

[@Siegberg91]

When ceos talk about Games, Players or Devolpers you most Exchange the words for money and Profit.

[@Vidya-James]

Instead of "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?" It's become "How many old men do we have to teach this lesson?"

[@Sentinel82]

LMAO that was good!

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

Instead of buying a physical copy of the game it's like fuck it. I want it my way.

[@Rokabur]

Epic crows about Metro Exodus selling 2.5x more copies then last light but WON'T provide actual sales numbers.

[@megacide84]

How many of those numbers were for console only???

[@utisti4976]

I bet they were talking about the original Last Light, not the redux. You know how badly OG Last Light sold.

[@Rokabur]

@@megacide84 It's supposedly Metro Exodus sold 2,5x more copies on the epic store then last light did on Steam over its lifetime.

[@Rokabur]

@@utisti4976 Exactly. I have yet to see epic provide any actual sales numbers of copies sold. They're only boasting the 2.5x sold on epic over last light on steam, nothing else.

[@wesleyfravel5149]

Rokabur sure, it sold better than last light, but how did it compare to Metro Redux? I’m just saying, when it was announced it would be exclusive to epic, preorders were 4 times as much as last lights entire opening month on steam. It ain’t hard to beat a low bar, and epic may not have even helped 4A in this case.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

With great power comes -responsibility- GREED

[@kyle-carpio]

A sad fact.

[@samuelmillard4475]

@@kyle-carpio no thats just a FACT

[@nick_4972]

@Samuel Millard A sad fact.

[@Holyshit40000]

@@nick_4972 no thats just a FACT

[@captaincool6268]

sooooo sad !!

[@Hydra_X9K_Music]

He's right. I don't see it.

[@UsenameTakenWasTaken]

Ha!

[@hoctongac8994]

We can't see if there isn't any

[@cielphantomhive4622]

Hydra X9K Nazi Loli

[@Dwarficus]

As an Englishman, I have one question for Epic: Does the Epic Game Store follow both British consumer rights and the UK's Data Protection Act 2018? If course it doesn't. Until Epic can confirm these I can not and will not use a service that breaks in the laws designed to protect consumers from greedy corperations, that believe they only need to partially follow the laws within their home countries.

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

Rofl. Of course it does you ignoramus. In no way does it prevent any one access to the product and even if it did, so what? It is noteworthy that the legal entity who LEGALLY owns the rights to the IP can sell it wherever they so choose. It's called business, clearly if you don't want the game due to this terrible mis justice (aka inconvenience) you won't buy it and you will have hurt both EPIC and 4A Silver where it counts as is the right of any consumer. I have to go to McDonalds to get some..how dare they or maybe they have an exclusive deal with a delivery service...hmmm fuck that, I should have the right to use whatever application I want and am most comfortable with. Why?

[@happyalltheday2275]

@@outogetyougotyou5250 btw! Epic has didnt care EU policy

[@greatswordofvictory1271]

"Gamers will follow the games" "Why aren't gamers coming to our launcher?????" - Tim Sweeny, probably

[@waltblackadar4690]

Want to know the difference between Steam and Epic? On Steam the customer is the user. On Epic the customer is the PRODUCT.

[@Kralledd]

Stean sells games to the customer, epic uses customers to buy games

[@zXPeterz14]

Its not though

[@jaredstarr7826]

Well done on your avatar Walt. I thought I had a hair on my screen and actually tried to wipe it off.

[@mkw3980]

@@zXPeterz14 elaborate, then. 22 and automatically a genius

[@gmsp123]

unrelated, but your pfp made me try to wipe an inexistent hair on my screen. >:(

[@jy2930]

upvote if you have a backlog big enough to wait a year.

[@pulsar943]

Jonny RheQue is rather leave gaming if Sweeney’s cancerous arguments come true

[@j19games24]

I honestly could go without buying a game for 2-3 years and probably not run out of stuff to do on games xD

[@dorjedriftwood2731]

Yeah and I don’t get why waiting a year is such a big deal. Are people going to suffer some horrible consequences for having to wait?

[@R3GARnator]

Or just never buy it to show developers what happens when they throw their players under the bus for a bribe.

[@edge3220]

I have PS2 games I still haven't gotten to.

[@NPC_037]

Yea, they can't see your spyware being installed when you install the Epic client

[@SIPEROTH]

And the spyware DRM from Steam games is fine? Why weren't you upset that many games weren't going to GOG that is pro-consumer no DRM platform and doesn't even need a client to install and play games and suddenly remembered you hate exclusivity now that Steam doesn't get what it wants.

[@stansmith4091]

Comrade Sweeney the Commie Sauron....I see you......

[@YurikkoroP]

CEO: We're making the Gaming Industry better Also CEO: We're making the industry better (for us) by stealing your data and forcing customers to use our Epic Store

[@ffboi7]

Don't question just consume. That's their motto

[@steven6859]

Your data is always being “stolen” many websites sell it off.

[@23kurtzy]

Don’t use it just get it on console

[@johnsherfey3675]

That's how they offer the prices they do and the higher cuts of money for the devs. Selling your data is the whole bit here.

[@maxsmallable]

@@steven6859 not if you use mozilla + duckduckgo ;)

[@4everlol4life]

It'd be funny when in one year from now, Metro Exodus releases on steam and sells more in the first month than it did on the Epic Store.

[@davidsolomie162]

Fuck no. It will sell more than that in the first week! Just watch.

[@lsfaraone]

David Solomie For real. Dude is in denial of the actual facts in that Metro used to be relatively unknown to the greater public. Until after Last Light and the reduxes, the series only had a cult following. Exodus making more than Last Light is simply because more people know about the series now, and that arrogant prick is bending the truth to his own benefit, and that makes me sick.

[@davidsolomie162]

@@lsfaraone You know, I'd like to believe that there are still people with at least half a brain in the world and that they can figure out the truth for themselves instead of eating up their daily dose of bullshit on a platter. Sadly, I can't believe. 'Cuz the world is THAT dumb...

[@XtremeDogg]

By then it won't matter because epic would of still got a lump some of cash in that first year... As a consumer you shouldn't reward the Developers and Publishers of metro by buying a game that has been laid on the back burner and released at full price as a penalty for you not buying it on EPICS store. I will wait till the game is dirt cheap, below 20 bucks maybe. If you boycott epic store then buy the game in a years time at full price your an idiot... You just basically made them think this practice is okay, because epic made their cash... now your boosting sales in that year of time on steam bringing in fresh money to a company that got in bed with a greedy has-been company. I hope the sales on steam are shitty, but they won't be because people will soak the game up like it is fresh and new.

[@enderkatze6129]

Can we Talk about your Profile Pic?

[@kazineverwind5267]

"How do you do fellow gamers? I'm a gamer too." "Let me tell you why our exclusives are good for the industry..." *crickets*

[@Linkman247]

Hey EPIC? Do you guys not have a good store? If they had, they wouldn't have to resort to buying exclusivity which only makes them look worse.

[@kizmo2317]

You do realize the Metro sales figures include those that pre-ordered from Steam, which I imagine is not insignificant.

[@lordsilver14]

It probably doesn't. They have separate statistics with those.

[@kizmo2317]

​@@lordsilver14 I'm sure they have separate statistics. I'm also sure they're incentivized to pad their sales figures as much as possible to keep the shareholders in the dark as to the magnitude of their "Epic fuck up".

[@malohn2068]

Epic games logic **Makes game exclusive** LOOK WE MAKE MORE MONEY THAN STEAM DOES WITH THIS GAME

[@holythirteenx1]

Guaranteed they would have sold more without this exclusive shit and the user data-mining.

[@Dan-qy6zv]

I feel like they lose more than they earn by making them exclusive

[@Matrixzttv]

Get mad it’s just a fukin launcher pussy boi . If you wants. Review of it go to KZbin or twitch .

[@hackelhack4595]

When you notice that that logic is 100% fucking feasible. What the hell is wrong with that? "hey look. On our platform, you will make more money for the games you make. Why stick with steam?" dev: well that's actually a good idea. I have been slaving over this game for years. I'd really like to make more for it and put that extra money into the next project. soyboys: NO DONT MAKE MORE MONEY. ILL HAVE TO CLICK ANOTHER THING ON MY DESKTOP PLEASE NO MY BRAIN CANT HANDLE AN ICON FUCK PLEASE NO MY MOUTH IS HALFWAY DOWN GABES DICK PLEASE DONT

[@ibuprofentabs]

@@hackelhack4595 You're using an argument that everyone has already disclosed as not being an issue of just "clicking" another launcher. Actually look into things before making yourself look dumb like now haha

[@thegreatcalvinio]

“Don’t you guys have your personal information and data stolen?”

[@niteip187]

thegreatcalvinio Don’t you want gaming to be better? Also, don’t you supply evidence of your claims of personal information theft?

[@Recnaku]

From the creators of diablo inmortal: fortnite inmortal, now with a premium spyware

[@DatGrunt]

@@niteip187 www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/eikbeya/ Directly from Tim Sweeney. He admits they get more info than they should without your permission.

[@nicholasbreecher9315]

@@DatGrunt they were using the friend tracker from Fortnite by accident and corrected it; that was addressed weeks ago but the KZbin community wont give it up because it's easy views to make videos about. Hell, I know this and dont even use the Epic Store....

[@cclione777]

@@nicholasbreecher9315 the chinese lie

[@MoistChungus]

Pro tip: don't call consumers stupid

[@cherrydragon3120]

Thats a solid tip... though i wish developers and publishers were smart enough to do that. They've been stuck in their offices for so long that they don't even know what the world looks like by now

[@omerfaikyldrm9924]

By the way guys the epic store has -Gps tracker to spy on you -Looks at your browser history -Looks at your steam Library

[@william3791]

so if I install the epic stores the FBI will start banging on my door?? thanks but no thanks

[@stansmith4091]

It's an evil communist conspiracy of Epic proportions led by that unpatriotic fiend Comrade Tim Sweeney.

[@GrindingGamerInc]

yeh google does that and then some, steam too, everyone does it. ur data is what u pay for "free" services online, its how this bussines model works ya dingus.

[@ahettinger525]

@@johnnymacarroni-ge1mk Nope. It reads steam's config files, no matter if you link accounts or not. Frankly, I think valve should be going after them for it. It's super shady behavior.

[@bomjus1706]

google has all the data that i've used on chrome. linkedin has all my information. twitter knows what tweets i look at. youtube knows what i watch. my phone has a built in GPS which my provider knows where it is at all times. we are already being spied on. wake up. if you want to not be spied on, or have your data used, you shouldn't go on the internet. at all. law enforcement/FBI can literally subpoena anything you have done and look through it if they have reasonable cause.

[@amulrei8149]

Who would of guessed consumers generally don't like anti-consumer practices?

[@cattrucker8257]

Entire Epic company is run by surprised pikachus.

[@TheNomad94]

*would have

[@MindaugasSnegirevas]

Generally do. Examples? Intel, nvidia, EA, Ubisoft, activision-blizzard, apple, etc.

[@notachinesespy1223]

Epic games is super consumer friendly. Much more consumer friendly than steam. Just put in your credit card details into your epic games account and you will see.

[@MisogynyMan]

I will still play games that are Epic Store exclusives. I just won't pay for them.

[@thecommentguy9380]

Welcome to the bay brother

[@Unknown-sz8kg]

Yarrr, lets raise the black flag comrade.

[@ibrahimmalik7114]

@@Unknown-sz8kg let us sail the high seas and plunder those landlubbers together lad. Dust off the old hat and sharpen the cutlass.

[@MisogynyMan]

Its funny because I basically stopped pirating after I got into using steam. It was so simple and easy to use, I had no issue paying for games. Once in a while id get conned into buying a shitty game and regret it, but so be it, it was still good. Having multiple stores with exclusive games is a development in the wrong direction for me. Not going to bother with it.

[@MyRedHulk]

ouch

[@user-rk2xi7iw9k]

Making your own games exclusive is one thing but bribing developers to do so is something that not even EA or Activision did

[@AlwinoFloyd]

Nah Activision would just ransom games behind other crappy games *mw remastered*

[@metapod1357]

Give them time...they will soon follow suit.

[@HunterMearo]

@@metapod1357 I wouldn't put it past them, look at all the android phones that are now copying apple's stuff like the shitty notch making the notification bar smaller and the screen going to the edges of the phone making it more prone to breaking. Just to look more like an iPhone.

[@TheDethBringer666]

Ya, they just enslaved them. Far better. -.-

[@shadowprice8100]

Activison used their sway to make features of games exclusive for 12 months on ps4... exotic weapons,multiplayer maps, armour sets, missions... xbox players paid same price for content and got less content!

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Paid off *publishers* to backtrack. There, I fixed it for you. Most devs had no idea their game was switching platform until the publisher announced it.

[@Robin93k]

The Phoenix Point Developers sadly did it themselves~

[@SadisticSenpai61]

@@Robin93k That's why it's most. My roommate was looking forward to Phoenix Point's game - he ended up getting a refund after debating the subject with himself for a few days.

[@grimtygranule5125]

Well, the CEO isn't wrong. They're making everything else better by comparison!

[@DeathBringer769]

Actually, Valve/Steam has gotten even worse since they came around, offering developers a similar option to delete "off-topic" reviews after they saw all the review blocking features Epic will be offering devs once those sections of their store/client are completed, lol. So yea, we've literally gotten Steam getting slightly worse in response. I know you were making a joke about how Epic is so bad that other stores look better in comparison without even doing anything, but Steam sadly has literally gotten worse since Epic came out and announced their future plans/features, lol.

[@littlee3643]

Deathbrewer actually everything else looks better it comparison. Steam has looked bad recently but epic has looked completely horrible. I would sooner play on console than download the epic launcher on my pc.

[@BRBingeDrinker]

+Deathbrewer But He's still right. Steam still looks much better than Epic.

[@maxpayne3223]

@@DeathBringer769 i understand what your saying but steam looks a tad better due to the spyware on epic's storefront

[@mkw3980]

Spoken like a true Chinese-owned company

[@Nahan_Boker94]

Chinese online and mobile games is never enough monetization. Now they attacking AAA PC market...

[@jerrydickerson1111]

I hate commies

[@mkw3980]

@@jerrydickerson1111 Amen, brother

[@LymusIll]

Competition is good having exclusives and taking any form of choice away is not competition...

[@kukuhimanputraraharja8084]

yeah... the predator will eventually starve itself amongst corpses of its prey.

[@Jenna_Miles]

🙏

[@austin8633]

Then tell Nintendo to put Mario on the PS4 in that case. This is how the gaming industry has always, always worked. But all of a sudden you come for Valve and the drones come foaming at the mouth to defend the company that monopolizes their games.

[@mopandas462]

Sony is a major factor in exclusivity they do it all the time, absolutely dick ride dev's so that they get exclusivity

[@robhans5]

Every industry have exclusive deals. Every single one. The fact that PC gaming didn't have that or have that on such a small scale was dumb.

[@Eli-Chanpu]

I'm a simple man I see an Epic Store Exclusive I pirate

[@GrindingGamerInc]

and thats why shit like this will keep up devs will be more inclined to take exclusivity deals if sales drop. yall just a bunch of snoflakes

[@GrindingGamerInc]

@@examplenote1413 but they dont. ur point is none existent

[@felipevieira7482]

@@GrindingGamerInc yep they will, lemand is right

[@GrindingGamerInc]

@@felipevieira7482 that's the difference between me and u i look at whats happening. you just say "yup sales will drop" talk to me when they actually will kiddo :D

[@felipevieira7482]

Burbulas Little Fortnite kid, we as consumers want to buy the game where we want, so if the sales drops because of Epic exclusivity we can maybe make devs see how this practice is horrible!!! And just for you to know, if someone have a different point of view,it don't make it none existent.

[@harrist4981]

Because it isn't. The Epic Games Store is a scam.

[@nosuchluck6326]

@@chief_mourner where did you find this Lil' snippet?

[@brandongray1059]

@@chief_mourner Would love to see Epic Games Store have a lawsuit brought against them. You'd think Steam might have a case if they prove that the Epic Launcher is digging through their software.

[@sjarken3979]

@@brandongray1059 Doubt that will happen. Steam doesnt lift a finger before it really has too. For years now, those of us that own a 4k monitor/tv, cant watch movie clips/trailers on steam. Steam dont care about that, even though it affects more then half a million people. Steam has so much money, they dont give a shit about anything, they rather do nothing instead of trying to earn more money. Same goes with bad games, they dont do anything before it becomes a scandal.

[@bleem2951]

@@brandongray1059 They probably pay the way out of the lawsuit like they did with PUBG´s. I never liked pubg (for obvious reasons) and I don´t like the genre as a whole but stabbing a small developer that use your engine in the back was pretty low! Legal or not!

[@helixranger2625]

Always insult your audience. It'll definitely work out.

[@yaboinoodle6878]

they should learn from Marvel comics, they tried that shit and their comic sales tanked

[@bleem2951]

@@yaboinoodle6878 Actually it seems to be pretty good so far. Comics reader are hardcore, most of them, gamers are not. "Hardcore" gamers, the ones that cares about cames might be less than 0.1%. If anyone cares about games and how they are made, mobile, micro transactions and EA would tanked a lot of time ago. TDLR: Support GOG if you can! It´s the better you can do to games right now.

[@shade419]

Look at how Star Wars did when they tried that.

[@bleem2951]

@Damian Chiliński I actually was about to write that most people are mad at epic but use nvidia and microsoft. While I am not against any of them (I use all of them), is quite amusing.

[@melmelhodgepodge3800]

Especially the PC Gaming audience...

[@itsyourgirlarmani6934]

*did an EA executive get fired and rehired at EPIC*

[@zenthedying91]

maybe

[@NathanCassidy721]

Considering one currently runs the company Unity, it’s possible.

[@MaliciousGrim05]

Nah, this has been Epics M.O. for at least a decade now. I haven't forgotten about them leaving PC gaming behind like 9 years ago, stating 'all PC gamers are pirates' as the reason they were doing so. And also saying 'So, maybe Facebook will save PC gaming'.

[@itsyourgirlarmani6934]

i see iam new to epic so thats rly shocking

[@doctordogger4121]

Uh oh

[@yaboiyoosung8543]

Would rather believe valve announcing HL3 on april 1 Rather than Epic store saying their platform is safe on april 1

[@bloodangel13]

Why is everything in that statement from epic screams *Bullshit* from every possible angle.

[@theliedetector2199]

Cuz it is bullshit

[@monochaos9442]

Oh yeah, tell gamers what they want instead of listening to what they really want. That's certainly never backfired before.

[@thepurplepanda4]

WHEN WIL THEY LEEEEAAARRRRNNNNN

[@unknownanonymous2651]

How many times do you need to learn this lesson old man!

[@MaliciousGrim05]

Ah yes.. Making the industry better treating the consumers worse. Right, classic.

[@user-yh5ls8hk5y]

​@Agent 005 In the first week, Steam Preorders of Exodus outsold the sales of Last Light. Hell, if I remember correctly, Last Light had the lowest sales of the entire series.

[@RetroWolfReviews]

Reminds me of Sony a bit.

[@ZAR556]

Don't talk with your mouth, they can ignore it. Talk with your Money, they will get slap from their Shareholders and that's what they afraid the most So, you know what to do

[@taski1]

on that note, don't trust shareholders

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

Talk by buying a physical copy for once or have PC gamers forgotten those exist because STEAM has a monopoly.

[@lifeon3d]

"Our game engine is better than all others!" - Forces all Unreal games to use the same asset pipeline, thus looking the same "Our game store is better than all others!" - Forces people to use it with exclusivity deals "We're making the game industry better!!" - Signs contracts with data phishing network assets for Unreal - Questionable access to user data from Epic gamestore - Doesn't provide key social features to store - Doesn't expand Unreal's scope of creative game design "We won't accept crappy games!" - Won't accept none Unreal engine games I bet you at this rate

[@ipxperfect]

Do they want us to pirate their games or what ??

[@antonkovalov9648]

Epic is actually promoting piracy, and it's nice. I've already played some games exclusive to their store using an epic store crack that allows to use their servers to play online even.

[@DankMemeTeacher]

Rogress sounds pretty great, sign me up

[@cooperbeats9620]

@@antonkovalov9648 May I talk to you on Discord about this? That sounds unbelievably nice. CooperBeats#3394

[@idkfa1000000]

yeah they might just end up making pirating huge again if they keep doing this direction

[@antonkovalov9648]

@@cooperbeats9620 Well, just keep your eyes open and look on western and especially CIS websites. You'll find a lot of "trial" versions of games. You might want a vpn for that as well.

[@bcat010]

Ah yes, the classic strategy of attacking the consumer. Because that works every time.

[@ricohernandez9969]

@@ronnieDaking Are you blind? "Gamers just don't see it."

[@bcat010]

@@ronnieDaking did you actually watch the video, or just have it on as background noise?

[@bcat010]

@Agent 005 unfortunately in their cases

[@bleachdrinkingchampion1044]

@Ronniedaking Dumbass weeb

[@user-yh5ls8hk5y]

@Agent 005 I mean... while the industry is struggling in stocks currently... EA and Activision are argueably at their worst than they've been in years. They aren't bankrupt, but lots of evidence points to Battlefield 5 under performing, and the new COD hasn't been doing as well as past ones.

[@karlpajak4532]

What they really said: Epic: "It's not about stores, it's about removing all choices from gamers and crushing freedoms"

[@outogetyougotyou5250]

Crushing freedoms.....what freedoms? So because it's not on steam all is lost and so are your civil liberties? Holy shit you better file a lawsuit because I think that might be illegal.

[@happyalltheday2275]

@@outogetyougotyou5250 huh! Did Epic is really care about their fans? Or want to be like EA?

[@doctorlolchicken7478]

Metro Last Light launched with no fanfare. The buzz around Exodus before launch, particularly with Fallout 76 bombing, was huge. Selling 2.5x Last Light is pitiful. I know no one who has Exodus and my friends are all big Metro/Stalker fans.

[@violentpursuit]

FOR COMPARISON: Witcher 2 released in 2011 and in its first year sold 1.7 million copies. Witcher 3 released in 2015 and in less than a year sold 10 MILLION copies. That bullshit statistic from Epic about Metro Exodus is both misleading and pitiful!

[@Crushin777]

Derek Clair I mean that's a big comparison, witcher 3 was one of the most successful games of the year and got game of the year. Considering the shit that happened with Metro exodus, those are decent numbers.

[@kanwargill3749]

@@Crushin777 And do you know how witcher became that successful? *BY SELLING MORE COPIES* Saying that its an unfair comparison bothers me, as PC gaming market is at its peak now but still a sequal to a great game only sold that many copies in 2019 because of publisher's greed.

[@violentpursuit]

​@@Crushin777 My comparison isn't between the Witcher and Exodus. It's showing a fair comparison between one sequel in a franchise and the next, which Epic apparently doesn't understand, or they do and they just want to play some numbers sleight of hand to please investors. (Yes i know it's not publicly traded, but Tencent has investors). Those numbers show what is possible when you're talking about sales figures (just in the first year) from sequel to sequel. And obviously Witcher 2 was a success for CDPR because from that they were actually able to get the resources needed to create TW3. That is why 2.5 times it's predecessor isn't impressive at all. The number would have been exponentially higher if it weren't for the exclusivity deal driving boycotts of the game till it's on Steam and piracy

[@primodragoneitaliano]

@@violentpursuit This. Also a Redditor pointed out that since Epic's CEO loves numbers that put the company in good light, then why did he just say that the game sold "2.5 times more" than the previous installment of the series and not given the proper sale numbers ? This makes me think (and not just me actually) that the sales of Exodus weren't super great. It didn't necessarily faceplant but it didn't become the insanely successful, multimillion copies selling product that Epic promised, and that's despite one helluva larger marketing plan.

[@AlexFDR]

"We will never do this again" *a month later* "phoenix point will be an epic store exclusive after steam release being promised"

[@CyberSpider35]

Stean and GOG mind you! Not only steam, should be also on GOG, but now it's only Epic for entire year. GOG is true steam competator, Epic is lying fraud!

[@theweebnoob7999]

"Epic Store is making Industry Better " Monopolize Exclusive

[@binbalebardac4156]

You know who else had anti-consumer choice business models? Cable TV providers, how's that working out for them post Netflix/Amazon Prime?

[@tecnicstudios]

Well they're trying to bring back their power and make the model work in this current economy by removing net neutrality to directly harming competition without being better.

[@binbalebardac4156]

@@tecnicstudios Exactly, like Epic, the only way the Cable TV providers can hope to compete after burning any consumer goodwill they once had, is to try and rig the rules and system to force customers to unwillingly support their defunct business models through notorious means!

[@tecnicstudios]

@@binbalebardac4156 it's not to compete or cause competition but to avoid and eventually eliminate it.

[@freddy3238]

Artificially controlling access does not make the industry better as a whole. It just makes developer's happy and better compensated for their product. But, consumers lose out. EPIC STORE WAS NOT WHAT WE ASKED FOR.

[@cielphantomhive4622]

Freddy no it’s what the lazy and greedy devs asked for xd

[@Justin-fk6br]

@@cielphantomhive4622 No, its what the lazy and greedy PUBLISHERS asked for.

[@cielphantomhive4622]

Justin Butler nah clearly it’s what the lazy and greedy devs asked for xd

[@p1tt1k3]

"Epic Store is Making Industry Better" for them (Eric Cartmen logic)

[@cherrydragon3120]

Omg xD thats so true

[@misterzygarde6431]

I don’t see how locking games from releasing on Steam for a year unless you get it on what is accused of being spyware is making the industry better. Epic should just bring back Unreal Tournament and Jazz Jackrabbit if they really want to entice people.

[@Aetius_of_Astora]

Even if it isn't actually spyware. The fact Avast and Norton sometimes flag and block it is a huge issue. No other launcher has made my security system throw a fit

[@kukuhimanputraraharja8084]

unreal series have been replaced by fortnite kiddies and their pink pony mounts. so play borderlands, overwatch, or paladins if you miss the blood pumping liandri sponsored deathmatches of unreal tournament.

[@shortyorc121]

@Agent 005 at least we have quake champions.... shame on epic

[@EvilSanta482]

@Ryan Bushell A lot of the exclusives on console are 1st party games. The 3rd party games that go exclusive aren't being paid off by the platform host. If you recall the one Tomb Raider game did that on Microsoft's behalf and that got the same general backlash EGS is for the same shenanigans. As for the spyware thing, I would say poking around in unrelated folders on your HDD/SSD spying wouldn't you. I can find no "debunking" as it were but the Epic CEO claiming its false. In my perusing I have found people talking about the spyware issue all the way back in December well before this latest round of accusations came to light.

[@user-yh5ls8hk5y]

@Ryan Bushell And Xbox vs Ps4 is good... how? It's the most anti-consumer practice I can think of off the top of my head. It forces the consumer to choose based off who has the most money to throw around, not who creates the better prodcut. It also forces us to use inferior products to get games that we should be able to get on any platform we choose. "If you want to win you have to have a reason for people to use their product." Yes. And that's why Steam and GOG have won all this time by fighting over who can make the better launcher. If you think the Epic store can hold a candle to either of those, you have to be delusional. It lacks the features both of those had, was roasted over a flame, and struggled at first. It has only seen any success by buying exclusives. This is the same market where a good chunk of the consumer wants a better launcher than steam, too. "The spyware story has been debunked as complete BS" The only thing I've seen debunking the spyware was a claim from Epic that makes no sense at all and actually brings up more questions (Why would they be using Steam data in Fortnite?) "Also EPIC are not forcing developers into exclusivity, they make that choice themselves. " First off, the developers aren't. The producers are. Two very different groups. Second off, it doesn't matter that they aren't forcing them. They offering to buy the exclusives, and non of the games would be exclusives if they hadn't.