Upset Backers Feel Betrayed by Phoenix Point Devs' Abrupt Epic Store Exclusivity Announcement

[@YongYea]

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[@drunkgorilla]

Yongout.

[@Zombyra123]

I don't understand why people dislike your videos.

[@TengrioftheCrimsonSky]

So while I agree I have to wonder if people would rather get a crowd funded game like D1 released for example OR If they could get Destiny post the expansions that arguably fixed the game for the majority of the players but only on Epic for the first year. Because I seriously see the same shit brought up now back in Steams history yet everyone acts like Steam is some fucking Diamond company without compare. Where it was really just a penny covered in shit and over the years the shit has mostly been wiped off so you're like wow what a shiney and lucky penny... I'd never replace this.

[@enlightendbel]

Thing is, people INVESTED through crowd funding. That's how that system (the specific platform this was hosted on) works. If the company/game does well, people get more in return, just like stocks (the platform used uses a stock alike system). People that invested are NOT customers, they are investors. And as with the stock market, if investors are not content with the direction a company is going, they are free to sell their stock. And the game studio is offering to buy back that stock. The issue here is not the actions of the game studio or the deal they made with Epic. The issue here is people being fucking idiots with their money and not understanding the system they put money in.

[@vaclavfliegel703]

"Loan" is such an exaggeration. They are still delivering the game - only offering refund to those who are unhappy to install an another launcher on the PC. If you are not OK with developers having their decisions during the development, do not support on Kickstarter (edit: OK, not KS but another crowdfunding campaign).

[@Ren99510]

*Epic Games Store launches* Everyone: Oh good. A competitor to Steam. I hope this encourages both platforms to improve, competition is great! *Instead of implementing community features to be competitive with Steam, Epic Games Store just gets exclusivity deals for highly anticipated games.* Everyone: Welp.

[@DeathBringer769]

I sadly called this likely happening ahead of time, lol. I was also pissed that back when Epic first announced their games store, they also announced they were cancelling future development on the Unreal Tournament Alpha, which I had been enjoying playing, in order to focus on the storefront more.

[@laughingoctopus8556]

They're bringing the console exclusive trash tactic to pc

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

@Rensai Yep, that's me. I actually thought the Epic store would push Steam to improve since competition *is* in fact good for any market, but not when said competition is set by shady deals instead of better services.

[@deeznuttes9340]

honestly anyone expecting anything less when epic announced this platform is naive as fuuuuuck.

[@Fourtytwo4242]

GOG: Do people just keep forgetting I am here?

[@user-st6ft9dx4v]

Uh..okay, well im also about to sign an exclusivity deal with thepiratebays. You know, since we all just cutting corners this year trying to save money. I wanna save too.

[@Albus_Rex]

Set sails and be free from these shackles.

[@Auradragon]

*Starts the slow but quickening clap*

[@charlesballiet7074]

dam right!

[@StarGazerTom1991]

I've been making that exclusivity deal for a few years now lolol

[@Target850]

@русский шпион Bullshit, not even the government is allowed to look into your internet traffic, even less your internet provider

[@_CaptainCanada]

The fact that they EXPLICITLY stated on the page that the game would be available on Steam & GoG is damning.

[@overlordshiina]

For their defense they didn't specify that it will be available on those platform at launch.... Sneaky phoenix!

[@Barbaroossa]

It's coming to Steam and GoG, eventually, one day.

[@lasky4548]

well it will be... just one year later :D

[@HunterMearo]

For the people saying "in their defence". That's not good enough. They said it would be available that means that it should be available on those platforms FROM DAY ONE not 365! The fanbase is big enough for this sort of game on PC they'd make plenty off of Steam and GOG, they're just greedy and we shouldn't support that.

[@hombreg1]

@@HunterMearo sorta. You see, from a moral point of view, it "is" misleading. From a legal point of view, it's a sly yet totally valid move. They do offer a refund though, which is way more than your average developer would do.

[@korenn9381]

The biggest misjudgement they've made is forgetting they're building a niche game. There's a certain crowd that enjoys turnbased tactical games, and they play most of the games in this genre. By pissing off their customer base they're making it very hard to sell to their niche market. A couple of million dollars investment from Epic won't fix that.

[@AllenTax]

Not the bright bulb eh. 😅

[@RolandTemplar]

Correct

[@TheReal_birbwizard]

I actually didn't even think of that......If I was a developer there and I read this I would jump ship immediately.

[@travism8538]

But it would fix there game if they weren't ready to release it and needed the extra cash to make a stable game instead of a early access one.

[@ceu160193]

​@@travism8538 Your game is useless, if hardly anyone wants to buy it. Whole scheme is a classic hit & run - grab most of the little money you get on Epic Store and leave devs studio to expire, as they can't hope for fans to support them after being sold out to Epic.

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

At this rate, people are going to associate Epic Store as not only an undesirable platform, but a platform that only caters to game companies and not consumers. Not a good road.

[@acewolfgang276]

And a store that steals your data.They recently got caught stealing Steam Customer data.

[@hanhong2267]

@@acewolfgang276 What the fuck? Goddammit Epic!

[@TheTimestreamer]

@@acewolfgang276 Wait, really? Can you link some proof of that? I despise Epic Store, but that seems quite insane.

[@IRedpunk]

Wow thanks deleting that pos now

[@jaspersiepkes2120]

Meh. Dont know your age but this was no different when Valve announced Half-Life 2 was going to be a Steam exclusive to push their new Steam service. Everyone was also up in arms back then; Didn't stop them.

[@Arjun-eb1yc]

GOG/steam/Origin never asked any 3rd party dev to sign a contract giving up the right to be on other stores..

[@MiorAkif]

Exactly, and: Steam has more features than Epic. GOG is DRM-free, Epic is not. Origin at the very least has a slew of exclusive games that THEY developed, Epic buys off 3rd party titles they had no part in making.

[@vgmaster9]

Next thing you know it will be subscription based.

[@Mitheledh]

@Zzarcon1 Origin exclusives are not the same since they are games made by companies owned by EA. It's one thing for a company to have it's own launcher and to sell games exclusively through that launcher. It's a completely different thing what the Epic Games store is doing.

[@mentalpopcorn2304]

Exclusivity deals aren't the problem, it's business. It's the companies just outright turning their back on the consumer and changing their mind last minute. Exclusivity breeds competition and that can be good. But when the competition is outright inferior, there will be backlash. Exclusivity between Xbox and PS is great because it breeds competition for better first party titles or other exclusive titles. This would be the case on PC platforms, it's just that there is really only the one good platform consumer wise.

[@cursedex80]

Probably because they're not backed by China.

[@Jadedpanthermatt]

Epic games... the place where we love devs but hate the customer

[@lunasakara7306]

Let me ask you this; If there is no one to buy the game - who the fuck are they selling it too? Epic is paying Developers to lock down on their store; they're paying enough that they basically don't have to sell the game to make the money. But if no one is buying the game; Epic isn't making a return on that investment - and the developer is left out in the dark with a game that isn't selling; once the bribe money runs dry, there's no players left to justify support of the game, and no income to fund the studio... I mean; I've heard the saying - It's too good to be true; and Epic's "Support" is literally too good to be true for any developer that doesn't already have the support and backing of a major publisher; and signing the Epic deal is 100% PR suicide.

[@j.m.f5451]

Steam: where devs have to suck our dick to get sales, because nobody can touch us.

[@RussellZeng]

@Proton And Neutron features dont make money

[@ryze4980]

@@RussellZeng Are you sure about that ?

[@cool06alt]

@@lunasakara7306 IT's all about the Data stealing and sold to chinese goverment by Tencent. Those are more worth in money than straight profits. We are approaching 4th industrial revolution and near instant access to wide information is hugely appreciated than money. The third-fourth tier of economics basically.

[@Shellova]

I stopped pirating games years ago when I had started getting my own income. Epic forced me to hoist the Jolly Roger once more. Yarrr!

[@Spontner]

It'bout time ain't ya? YARR!

[@gregoirederrough9463]

PIRATES OF THE WEST WILL NEVER DIE!

[@deanreaver3268]

YARRR, GAMES TO BE PLUNDERED ON THEE HORIZON!

[@nickmatlick9995]

Welcome back comrade visit us at igg-games yaharr

[@vanivanov9571]

Yup, that 0 dollars and 0 cents fee to use their service really backed you into a corner. And the game deserves to be pirated, for trusting a scumbag like you, by making itself DRM free.

[@discountdisco2273]

Remember when epic games said their launcher will be a strong contender for steam? That was a good joke.

[@HelloChief117]

Even if its library is not nearly as messy as Steam's greenlit garbage (especially since they added a search function not long ago), I think it's only a matter of time before that changes at this rate. The only reason Epic Store is a threat to Steam is because they're offering more money. The rest is sub-par.

[@Droogie128]

@Kratos this isn't competition. Exclusivity is the opposite of competition. Competition let's both present their product, and the consumer decides which to purchase. Epic is removing that choice from the consumer. Then they're spying on the consumer's Steam data.

[@justinwainwright5069]

@Splatoon is the worst game of all time. Congrats. You look like an idiot.

[@AgentDearestZ]

Youd think epic would curb down the controversy machine.

[@AbsolutTBomb]

Epic is too busy harvesting steam user data.

[@DanielSantos-ym8vd]

I would say the responsibility also likes with the developers as they're the ones that take Epic on their "monetary incentives".

[@boxtears]

The studio approached Epic. It's entirely their fault.

[@DeathBringer769]

Epic is going ham with their Fortnite money right now trying to buy as many exclusives as possible, lol. It's clear that it's more than just some better percentages when they take these deals.

[@gctypo2838]

It makes them a lot of money, even with the controversy.

[@Arjun-eb1yc]

Don't use stores which ask 3rd party developers to remove games from other stores. This is the opposite of competition.

[@eiszapfenderwutendenwinde3233]

Its not competition is Mafia tactics! Mafia..... Tencent

[@dragonwaz]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@CS-zn6pp]

Refuse to use Epic as a platform and thus will not buy any games exclusively launched on there.

[@smokinhotpizza405]

No, it is exactly competition. Monopoly, oligopolies and other forms of monopolistic markets usually cut off new companies from joining the market, in hopes of keeping their market share. Epic games is merely offering a better deal to companies, and is not forcing competitors out of the market in the same way a monopoly would; by cutting prices or inflating the value of a certain object. Instead, I would even argue that steam is a monopoly, considering how many sales it makes, effectively barring out any competition because on other platforms sales are not as common.

[@kodaskii5042]

@@smokinhotpizza405 Regardless of whether it's competition or not, all Epic is going to cause is 1. No one liking them for bringing fucking console exclusives to PC, 2. The sales of the games they make exclusive plummeting dramatically, resulting in the company being fucked over in the long run, and 3. Epic falling apart because they blast all their money on bribing devs and not having a decent platform to do anything on. They're absolute fucking scum for what they're doing.

[@tiagotiagot]

There needs to be stronger legal and financial repercussions for intentionally going against promises made to crowdfunding backers.

[@ochiamu]

They didn't though. It does say it will be available on Steam and GoG, not that it would launch on those platforms.

[@lightning0938]

@@ochiamu So if I sold you a car and then didn't give you a car telling you I have to get one first that's perfectly legal in your eyes because technically I will give it to you when I get one. It's misleading information to garner funds and or sales i.e. false advertising which is illegal.

[@ochiamu]

@@lightning0938 that isn't the same either, unless I was 'pre-ordering' a car, or paying into a crowdfund for a car. Both of which hinge on the understanding that said item isn't ready to pick up at the time of payment. To use your analogy, it's more like ordering a car, and being put on the wait list, to find out later that orders will be filled to dealers closer to the manufacturer first. I can wait for the more convenient store to pick up my car, or go a little bit out of my way to pick it up first.

[@tiagotiagot]

​@@ochiamu It's like you invest in a car company on the condition they will get you one of their cars as soon as they come out of the factory as if you had bought it locally, but then they start selling it only on a neighboring country with worse consumer protection laws, and if you want it on your own country you have to wait a long time in spite you having paid to get it first while it was advertised as coming out in your country.

[@mina86]

​@@ochiamu, that’s not how language or law works. Reasonable person understood that they promised GOG and Steam at lunch. If your interpretation is correct, then they could release the game on Epic and say it'll be available on GOG and Steam in 2050.

[@caffeineaddictedklutz]

Snapshot Games announces Phoenix Point to be exclusive to Epic Store for a year. Backers and Gamers announce Phoenix Point to be a torrent exclusive forever.

[@TheAngrySaxon1]

Which will only force more and more developers to include numerous levels of DRM and online only requirements. So congratulations I guess, piracy as a protest, what a really awesome way to... well, prove developers correct about the PC community.

[@thecopercoper5533]

@@TheAngrySaxon1 Prove what about PC community?! That they dont like to be screwed?! That they dont like to be lied to?! Yeah... how horrible?! It's amazing that ignorant fucks like you attack the gamers and not the company that started it!

[@TheAngrySaxon1]

@@thecopercoper5533 Piracy is never the answer. As for ignorance, as the saying goes, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[@jorisbongartz]

Ofcourse piracy is the awnser, or have you been paying for ubisoft games the last 10 years?, i haven't and i have yet to play one that is worth my money.

[@lekhaclam87]

@@TheAngrySaxon1 Online only requirements? I played pirated C&C4 once, and that game requires internet connection full-time.

[@Frozendown]

Phoenix Point now exclusive to The Pirate Bay. rofl

[@rustyfolk9128]

Yarr, sail the ship captain xD

[@hanzohattori9576]

@@rustyfolk9128 Tharr the bugger Phoenix Point blows. Reel her in lads!

[@JesusSucksUrDick]

Pirate bay still exist????? i couldnt find em

[@feerocomics5082]

igg lmao

[@tb-awesome7318]

@@JesusSucksUrDick we pirate have our way

[@szilagyimiklos4757]

I've never heard of this game. What a great way to market your game.

[@JoViljarHaugstulen]

"I've never heard of this game. What a great way to market your game. " Same with me though if you don't like using the Epic Store for whatever reason... do you still think you will remember this game when it releases on steam/GOG/other places in a year? I most certainly won't

[@samhackett5715]

@@JoViljarHaugstulen I guarantee there'll be a Kotaku article about it the day the exclusivity deal ends

[@kiddhkane]

@@JoViljarHaugstulen If it was on steam I would at least check it out... sheer curiosity. And epic game store, I haven't even checked once, even though I use UE4

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

As someone that loves the Xcom series even I didn't know anything about this.

[@yvindvego9404]

there have been plenty of ads of it on facebook

[@sirross625]

Argh me mateys, time to sail on the rough seas again yarrrr.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

Sea turtles, mate

[@RolandTemplar]

Yeees captain

[@TheDutchGhost]

An open ocean where a man can be free and no king or law dictates him.

[@RolandTemplar]

@@TheDutchGhost yay, now drink grog with me

[@Hopeofmen]

Aye aye, cap'n!

[@PorcuDuckSlug]

Epic games store taking more exclusives? They may as well flat out say “we have nothing new to offer as a platform”

[@hengistcz1940]

They generally want to dominate market by unfair practices... I think what they do is outright illegal. Its called vertical monopoli. They dont make monopol between businesses in one branch, they make monopol that presses competition out of market by cutting their suppliers. I think it antimonopoli office should look into this.

[@TheDoughboy1917]

They don't want to offer anything new, they just want to steal Steam's thunder

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

Aye. Buying 3rd party companies products is a dumb move. If you want to have an exclusive, develop it yourself! I can respect in-company developments, i am a Nintendo fan, but PC is not a "console", you must prove your worth harder!

[@Revealingstorm.]

@Wigglez yeah guy has no clue what he's talking about

[@TheStackeddeck77]

@@hengistcz1940thats not how monopolies work. You, as a business owner have every right to make a buisness that incorporates every aspect of its supply chain. A monopoly would be you are the only buisness that operates on a certian level of that vertical integration or in this case the only platform to play pc games. Meaning if I need supply from vertical spot 4 and only D company does that supply that is a monopoly and it would be broken up so there would be at least a D and E company on that level of supply.

[@charleswatson2088]

>gets 4x funding goal >still sells out to epic

[@kraney195]

That's called "greed"

[@currycurry2162]

Not defending their choice on exclusivity but $760k of the $500k goal isnt 4x

[@GeorgeMonet]

They received over a million from Epic.

[@thomasjenkins7506]

so, selling out to steam's bullshit would be better?

[@Sniperbear13]

@@thomasjenkins7506 in the short term, selling out to epic for one year is smart... but in the long term....... not so much.

[@Anonarchist]

thanks for being one of the first people to support and buy the game, we'll let you actually play it a year after everyone who wasn't.

[@CBRN-115]

This is some Shepherd (from MW2) level of betrayal

[@icarue993]

I beleive you can still play it via epic

[@comyuse9103]

@@icarue993 but that isn't an option for any but the most apathetic or naive people on the internet.

[@Wilk111]

Well enjoy 80% of my 0$. Cuz Im not buying it.

[@vanivanov9571]

So, because you would have to download a free app... you will lose the chance to enjoy the exciting game from the makers of XCOM? Sorry to hear, dude :(

[@TheReal_birbwizard]

@@miros05 drink up me hartys yo ho yo ho *pirates of the Caribbean music intensifies*

[@makishae9811]

Tbh i feel like it was probably a good and fairly reasonable decision that they made. It seems to just make sense.

[@Wilk111]

I know Im late for party, but I wasnt intrested in that game anyway.

[@madscientistshusta]

"It was not our intention to scam anyone" 🤔 >tfw the devs unironically admit to scamming their backers 😯🤣😂

[@mikemhz]

Some people feel scammed, but it's really not a scam.

[@eternalchamp3882]

@@mikemhz for all means and purposes it is the definition of a scam. If you promise me something in order for me to give you the money the you need and down the line you change the deal we have without consulting me or others that backed you financially it is the very definition of a scam. not to mention that in my case I can't even use the epic store even if I wanted to use it because the app doesn't work at all due to the app being labeled as a potential threat to my pc and being banned at my workplace due to being branded unsafe by the security details we have on our work pcs So for all means and purposes this entire thing was a huge scam but a scam which due to its nature is hard to go to court with it

[@flyawayq5115]

At least Halo is coming to Steam. Really stoked for that.

[@karios9635]

Yeeeeees

[@ezra4393]

Im super exited for halo

[@acsk1llies4]

Gonna breath some life back into it

[@Strelcik]

@@pedrokantor3997 Microsoft already have their own store, if they wanted exclusivity they would have used that..

[@giovanniponce7989]

@@Red_Lanterns_Rage that gives me time to play the shit out of all of them again

[@augingma5518]

Weird statement to say.. "we didn't mean to con you." Con means you knew what you're doing.

[@iMpRiSiOnEd]

"I didnt mean to pick your pocket and steal your wallet."

[@augingma5518]

@@iMpRiSiOnEdI wonder about these thieve's future. Robbing a loyal customer is shooting yourself in the foot.

[@ZDehuman1ze]

Seeing how they didn't intend to go timed exclusive back when making those promises they didn't even mean to mislead you In the end they still did though

[@augingma5518]

Also they already know that they have "at least 3 dlc". They apparently know what's on the table when they "didn't mean to con us". Playing stupid when their con was figured out. I would have never said exactly how much they were hiding from us in a year's time when they are already pissing off loyal customers. I feel bad for the people who didn't donate. They're in pay walls.

[@Kevin7557]

A user examined the Epic Stores program with a fresh install of Windows 7 to see what it did shortly after this all kicked off. Here is what he found. -it's loaded with actual spyware -it's tampering with your root directory -it's scanning your entire computer -it scanned the program that was examining it while it was examining it Epic Store is nothing but Spyware/Malware so those two board members are definitely having a great influence over how your data is managed and like many other Chinese companies it's data mining your computer.

[@shsjaiskwp30yearsago72]

@Amadeus Eisenberg a chinese company owns 40% of epic

[@kimserne]

LuL

[@WiseOldBill]

Thats not spyware that sounds like a rootkit which is advanced malware, this is significantly worse than spyware

[@adam7802]

Source please.

[@tomjackjack960]

@@shsjaiskwp30yearsago72 48.4 I believe

[@Boss-_]

Interesting how Epic Store is doing the opposite of what Steam did: Steam had people cut down on piracy just through quality-of-life features and massive discounts. Epic is having people say "Guess I'm pirating it"

[@JaymeSplendid]

Yeah, I'm 100% going to pirate it until it comes on Steam because I like how things are setup through Steam, things you're unable to achieve a pirated game that comes disconnected to that platform.

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

@@JaymeSplendid, then take up your outrage on steam. They have a shitty cut % which fucks most indies and even larger companies, and exactly why people have been going to Blizzard and epic. They take less, which means more money, which means more funding for future content or future games. They're hoping people like you continue to be upset so that they don't have to actually pony up and start giving better rates to developers. It's funny because I remember running multiple games back in the day without any sort of launcher, even for multiplayers. The fascination this generation has with what launcher they use is a joke.

[@sargasm169]

@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken steam is more than a launcher you moron.

[@n3rdm4n]

@@vodyanifox6704 "It is true that Steam does charge far too much as a distribution platform": I'm not too sure about that. They have to pay for a LOT of bandwidth, maintain large forums, software versioning... Right now EGS can afford to burn money but their business practices may become unsustainable as their Fortnite cash cow runs dry. Can't say for sure, but they may be offering the service at a loss to gain market share and raise their commission down the road. The good thing is that they put some pressure on Steam to make more efforts on their own platform. Hopefully good will ultimately come out of this mess.

[@potatopatato1565]

@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken yeah fuck steam and fuck friendly user service right? Coz we all know epic takes less cut and their service is amazing

[@LucisLou]

Honestly, with the whole Epic Games Store fiasco... I believe a lot more people will be wary about Kickstarter and other crowd-funded games for PC and a lot less people will be willing to invest in future projects. In the end, this "competition" from EGS truly harms everyone.

[@theninjaassassin4468]

My thoughts exactly. If companies change their promises at the last minute, they can't be trusted.

[@DefCon1966]

My thoughts as well, as it is now becoming obvious that these developers are more interested in using kick starter campaigns to get interest free loans and lie to the backers. I will no longer become a backer.

[@leoleo1035]

Epic: we'll pay for every person that refunds. Phoenix Point: ok.

[@niteip187]

Pretty much, can you blame them though? Put yourself in their shoes, you’re a struggling developer would you turn it down? It’s easy to say keep the customers happy but money talks...

[@JACpotatos]

@@niteip187 They made an easy buck here, but it's going to damage them in the long run. Hope they have fun going under in a few years before being bought out by EA

[@Avi_the_Boy]

@@niteip187 They weren't struggling though.

[@MiorAkif]

@@niteip187 i would understand if they haven't reached their goal, but they surpassed it by 50%.

[@niteip187]

narsaku You are one man, you can’t possible compare that to an organisation of 100 or more employees who are working on current and future products simultaneously as well as the mammoth electrical and other costs to keep the whole thing running, cmon don’t be silly.

[@adrijenie4105]

I ALTER THE DEAL, PRAY THAT I DO NOT ALTER ANY FURTHER!

[@shadoudirges]

Thank you Lord Vader, may I have another?

[@TheReal_birbwizard]

Lol love it.

[@Fickji]

The Epic store. Driving that wedge between the developers and the consumer even wider.

[@iller3]

...it wasn't supposed to be this way. How did we get here. Is it ONLY because TenCent got involved?? Epic always used to be extremely Pro-Developer from a pro consumer standpoint (Unreal Engine's accessibility)

[@Fickji]

@@iller3 I'd like to think on some cosmic level EA is to blame but have no definite proof.

[@j19games24]

@@Fickji I have evidence. EA is EA. That is evidence enough.

[@jamielee8845]

No it's not, it's giving a small dev team of 30 people the chance to keep the lights on a little longer, ye I wish epics launcher had same features that steam has, buf your comment is just wrong you can buy it or wait, the wedge in place is the consumers choice not Epic.

[@falken5555]

@@jamielee8845 Exclusivity deals is Epic's choice, not the consumer....Guess who's wrong there.

[@toaster9922]

Now that tue Epic store is getting accused of taking data from people’s steam accounts this is a very big deal.

[@lowiet8979]

Wait. They are what?

[@AzariusR]

@@lowiet8979 Yes you heard it. It's true. And if Steam does it they will also find out but nope no news of Steam doing the same.

[@legendtoni1094]

Toaster ur stupid if u think valve isn’t doing the same

[@explosiveturkey4706]

legend toni Steam… taking data from Steam accounts? Uh…

[@mindsoulbody]

@@legendtoni1094 steam taking steam user data... You could not tell? Aren't you a smart one...

[@rtkizzle5512]

I’m a backer and ya it’s bullshit that he approached epic and sold us out for 2 million. That’s the price we’re worth to them.

[@lunasakara7306]

2 million for a developer isn't a lot of money really; once that money is gone - I doubt they're going to be lucky enough to secure any more funding; let alone manage to sell their game while it's locked to Epic. A year from now; I'm sure most people will have totally forgotten this game exists and never purchase it. I won't at all be shocked to hear all the smaller studios that signed up with Epic start closing before the year is over because they're not able to sell their games after Epics upfront bribe runs dry; and they can't reach out to secure community support and funding because of the deal forcing them to stay locked to Epic's side. "It's too good to be true" is a saying that should be heeded when you deal with Epic.

[@bashamd96]

@@lunasakara7306 At best it'll be a game bought on sale for 3 bucks cause why not

[@snazwonk2066]

refund it and download on tor-ent

[@CryptoCryoto]

Get a refund! and share this with everyone, its the best way to hurt them!!!

[@TheArklyte]

what's the name of the second book connected to NJ, Mr."Backer"?

[@HypercaffinatedBees]

"For those backers who are upset by our switch of delivery platform, we are truly sorry," What a load of horseshit. at least the Satisfactory devs had the decency to just admit that they got paid for it.

[@thejimd]

Epic using that Fortnite money in the most anti-consumer way possible. GG I guess

[@demonpride1975]

as i have said in the past, that is why they made the epic store, because fortenite will eventually die, so they needed a constant stream of revanue, just a shame it's such a shady launcher.

[@davideassis87]

Another game to buy in the *Pirate Bay Store.*

[@TiredOfYoutube]

*Piratebay Store* Lmfao

[@resistivewig610]

Yes Why support a company that would do this

[@mrboeing1]

Exactly! They're literally ASKING for their game to be pirated. COUNT ME IN!

[@montypython5521]

how do you even pirate games? does someone just upload all the games files somewhere and sell/give out copies of it

[@KudoRedfox]

@@montypython5521 Pirating in this day of age means removing the DRM and giving it out for free

[@semvision]

Epic Store exclusivity is purely for the sake of the developers and publishers, it has no benefits for the consumer.

[@RGBeanie]

Except it does

[@intergalacticspacecanoe4659]

@@RGBeanie name three

[@RGBeanie]

@@intergalacticspacecanoe4659 odd that you should pick 3 as an amount, but the obvious one is passing on the savings to the consumer due to Epic's deals. Edit: You could also include that competition may make Valve actually care about making Steam better or try harder. You could also include the benefits for creators as well. So there's 3 positive things already lol

[@loxyloafcake5184]

TurboGamingUK At least try to hide that you’re a shill.

[@RGBeanie]

@@loxyloafcake5184 Weird flex but ok, highly original!

[@vizierthoth3922]

At least when Metro went Epic exclusive you got to keep your steam copy if you had it pre ordered. I didn't think Metro's Exodus to Epic could be topped. Yet here we are...

[@0Bennyman]

They are probably being paid even more to do this sort of move. People compare this to MS and Sony except they have First Party exclusives, they don't just out buy the competition. Fortnite is hopefully gonna die soon and with it so will the money Epic exploits off children.

[@PC-tan]

@@0Bennyman Fortnite will likely still be around for 3-4 more years before it's really "dead" and assuming something else takes it place

[@Aeviu]

I'm pretty the Steam version doesn't receive as much updates though

[@vanivanov9571]

@@Aeviu Why wouldn't it!?!? This kind of idiotic BS among you is incredible... They're on the same platform, they are both PC games. Of COURSE it will be updated because it takes no extra work! You morons really do think this is just like an exclusive, don't you?

[@Aeviu]

@@vanivanov9571 Whoa geez dude, take a chill pill. Metro Exodus on steam didn't receive an update until March 26 dude. Epic got that update way before, sorry if I offended you.

[@MunkyDrag0n]

$2 million of backer funding still was not enough apparently.

[@TychoHoward]

I need to emphasize that this move is primarily greed motivated: one of the developers on the Discord said they could refund just about all the money from backers and still be in the black with the Epic deal. They legitimately sold out, and sold you out, if you were a backer.

[@sargesacker2599]

Laughs in *Star Citizen.*

[@Wolfrich666]

it wasnt "all of the money"

[@dustyalbones-reendust4385]

Obviously they need money. All the money.

[@kekvult3730]

@@sargesacker2599 Priceless

[@SqualingtonConstantine]

I thought Epic Store was going to be some nice competition for Steam/Valve. Instead, good games are just becoming exclusives to the Epic Store. wtf. I am SO glad CD Project Red isn't making CyberPunk 2077 an Epic Store exclusive like Metro Exodus and Phoenix Point.

[@Rigel_6]

I mean, they are a tad bigger than your average dev, they are their own publisher, with GoG and all.

[@legendtoni1094]

Squalington Constantine ur acting like u have to pay to have epic games... its a good launcher. Steam is scummy as fuck. Good to see theire monopoly breaking.

[@MrAnnoyingFreak]

@@legendtoni1094Exclusivity is monopoly dummy. That is why everyone is hating Epic Game Store. All Valve ever done is offer Steam sales and better security. Every publisher is going to greed no matter what.

[@bandicootb6876]

@@legendtoni1094 The Epic launcher is far, far behind Steam in terms of its features and user friendliness and likely will be for a long time to come. You can look up the differences anywhere.

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

Instead of being exclusive to Steam ?

[@rgc517]

1* Request your refund. 2* Don't buy the game. 3* Don't buy any future games made by them. That's the only way they will understand. Let your money do the talk. And stay away from crowdfunding...

[@knivy6160]

1. Okay. 2. Okay..... 3. 'Aight chief, Im boutta head out. Okay, seriously. If you support the game via Steam only, they will learn their lesson. No need to immediately curse the developers and everything they have done or ever will do.

[@Nicolas3000ful]

@@knivy6160 agree

[@Kobrar44]

4* Play Apex Legends, it's great!

[@ariezon]

@@knivy6160 agree with you.

[@rps215]

Assuming you are a backer, the next thing you do after you voice your protests is to completely abandon the game's forum and facebook and twitter page. Assuming it is the devs who are doing this then they will feel the emptiness when people just leave it. Of course don't give Epic a cent, they are still a business at the end so if these deals make them lose money instead of gaining it, they will be forced to stop eventually.

[@BarneyGoogl]

Oof, Epic, Settle down, you'll be up there with EA and Bethesda soon.

[@LGTheOneFreeMan]

>soon

[@rignatetris4435]

with all the illiegal data mining they are doing they are already there

[@zenkisaragi1551]

Up? You mean down?

[@jasonwong7214]

hell epic might even surpass em

[@ashp1546]

yes, they just might become one of the most biggest gaming entities if they keep playing their cards right

[@perochialjoe]

Developers stated that they could have everybody refund and still make a profit. This has literally turned from making a game for your customers to making a game for the store you're selling through. They also said they expect about 6% to refund and are okay with that. Think about that. They are willingly trading away at least 6% of their customers for a store front. Epic Games is essentially telling developers, "We'll make it worth your while to screw your fans," and these dev teams are taking it. I'd honestly say that for all the bad EA does, Epic has taken it a step further and become even worse by encouraging other developers to act just like EA.

[@leontarmann3449]

It's very short sighted. The money will run out eventually, and once that happens they will need the fans again. If they piss them off so badly, they will get problems in the future.

[@libertyprime9891]

AND the crowd fund turned into an 800k interest free loan, Even if it was 100% refunds they'd still have a shitload of money to spare, Over twice that.

[@MasterJazz09]

Nah your just a child and don’t understand business more so if the game turns out even better then before but you all think video games are free to make and drop out of some ones ass fucking entitled generation

[@KazeShikamaru]

Games cost money to make man and Epic has Forntie money. We don't go that. They may a good business decision.

[@carlotheemo]

@@MasterJazz09 so what, your alright with devs screwing you over?

[@dragontyron]

Gotta love Epic buying out games for exclusivity as an attempt to "compete" with Steam's library.

[@wylie2835]

Not whats happening. Steam is overcharging developers its ALLOWING epic to take advantage and sign exclusivity deals. We aren't consoles. Epic and steam have a few games they release and that is it. 99% of their sales come from outside studios. If steam were actually charging what they were worth devs would lose money signing the deals with epic. As the Epic wouldn't be able to pay them what they would lose by not going to another store. But because Steam stopped being worth 30% 5 fucking years ago when the store became a trash heap of games that allowed Epic to take advantage of their ridiculousness. And there is no "compete". They are currently beating steam at thier own game and will continue to do so until steam wakes the fuck up and lowers their cut to what their service is actually worth. Steam is the problem here. Stop supporting them screwing over devs.

[@AzariusR]

@@wylie2835 Steam is definitely going to take action and innovate sure. But I really don't like Epic Store for some odd reasons.... It's just feels like they do this just because they have that easy success of Fortnite BR and then you can see how weird it is getting.

[@TheSweetSpirit]

​@@wylie2835 Not saying dragontyron's comment was fully accurate ((calling it 'competing with steam's library' is wrong)) but I do not support Epic Games' platform due to their connection to tencent. If people want to support them, that's just fine, but I also can't blame people for not wanting to deal with the Epic storefront. I do agree, though. Steam is a problem. Being more on topic with this video, I do not believe it was particularly moral to change how the game was distributed following prior promises with $$$ put on the back of those promises. Not that they have a particular legal obligation to my knowledge for exclusivity deals or the lack thereof, but it seems to be a poorly thought out decision given their history.

[@hochmeisterr]

@@wylie2835 other major platforms like GOG, Microsoft, Sony, Amazon, Google, Apple and others also take 30 percent of the cut while providing / giving back significantly less features and services in return. I wanna emphasize on Sony and Microsoft (Playstation and Xbox) who are the biggest gaming platforms next to PC, Who've been taking that 30 percent cut from developers and publishers for decades now while doing business with them. They don't provide nowhere as near as many features and services as Steam does. And yet, we can still see developers / publishers happily put all their games on those consoles and make huge profits. Bottom line is simple. Out of all of these platforms, only Steam gives back the most features and services to both developers and consumers, in other words, Steam earns their cut AND they're adding and improving new features and services every single year for no extra charge. Not only that but Valve has also reduced their 30 percent cut to 20 percent for those who meets certain sales milestone. So like I said, it never was about the cut. Its all about greedy developers / publishers getting paid upfront a bag of cash by Epic for exclusive deals while shoving down all sorts of anti-consumer / anti-competitive policies on us customers.

[@TheCursedCat1927]

@@wylie2835 Tell me, how are Epic "beating steam" if they still can't earn even a Half of what Steam earns Monthly ? I do stand behind Sweet Spirit and hochmeisterr, though. Just not behind your "Epic Over-Supportive" comments.

[@TBorderFall]

Before I was disappointed, but with further depths revealed here, now I'm disgusted.

[@Lilitha11]

For a game that plans on selling 3 DLC packs in the first year, this doesn't surprise me. I mean, I don't have anything specifically against DLC but 3 in the first year stinks of cutting things out of the game just so you can sell it to them later.

[@ravenhopkins347]

Exactly. It is what many games are doing now, the worst IMO was black ops 3

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

That's the current gaming industry trend for you. Why work more to make new content when you can just use recycled cut content and charge it the same? It's stuff like this a good reason why we need another gaming industry crash to purge these decisions.

[@vanivanov9571]

It used to be people complained about day-1 DLC... now the raging toddlers are complaining about ANY DLC at all. They aren't allowed to release more than one DLC a year? Would you prefer to get the features in the sequel...? You kids don't actually remember the old days, where there were often plenty of unfinished and scrapped features and levels, sometimes left over in the game that shipped. Sometimes you'd get to see them in the sequel. DLC means you can see new content without waiting for a full expansion pack or sequel.

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

@@vanivanov9571 Because, "mini-DLCs" for your DLCs is such a great idea.

[@Lilitha11]

@@vanivanov9571 I am not entirely against DLC but some companies really do seem to purposely cut content just so they can sell the DLC later on. When they say they plan on making three in the first year right after release it really strongly hints at the DLC not being fresh and new stuff but rather stuff cut out of the game. And if there is 3 DLC worth of features they cut out of the game, then I have to wonder why didn't they just extend development a year and put all those 3 DLC as core game play? I am not saying it can't be legit but it definitely smells fishy to me.

[@crozraven]

If the gaming community ignore this, it would make something very disastrous to the indie & crowdfunded game industry that we couldn't recover from. This is anti consumer & borderline a scam. Shame on Snapshot games & EPIC with their hostage & backstabbing decision to gamers.

[@wylie2835]

Shame on steam for overcharging devs so much that it allows devs to make more money on one store. This shouldn't be possible. Steam is the problem here not epic. Jesus christ gamers are stupid. No wonder EA can milk you guys for all you are worth.

[@Schnittertm1]

It might already have done damage to it. There are now quite a few people that will reconsider backing a project by indie companies on Fig.com or Kickstarter, which will likely result in less funds for those projects that do hit the mark and less projects that will reach the initial funding goal.

[@hochmeisterr]

@@wylie2835 other major platforms like GOG, Microsoft, Sony, Amazon, Google, Apple and others also take 30 percent of the cut while providing / giving back significantly less features and services in return. I wanna emphasize on Sony and Microsoft (Playstation and Xbox) who are the biggest gaming platforms next to PC, Who've been taking that 30 percent cut from developers and publishers for decades now while doing business with them. They don't provide nowhere as near as many features and services as Steam does. And yet, we can still see developers / publishers happily put all their games on those consoles and make huge profits. Bottom line is simple. Out of all of these platforms, only Steam gives back the most features and services to both developers and consumers, in other words, Steam earns their cut AND they're adding and improving new features and services every single year for no extra charge. Not only that but Valve has also reduced their 30 percent cut to 20 percent for those who meets certain sales milestone. So like I said, it never was about the cut. Its all about greedy developers / publishers getting paid upfront a bag of cash by Epic for exclusive deals while shoving down all sorts of anti-consumer / anti-competitive policies on us customers.

[@TheCursedCat1927]

@@wylie2835 Even if Steam makes it a bigger profit for Devs (which they already did, around 2 months ago), Epic will just do the same. No sense in doing that. Besides, even if Steam "overcharges devs" (which actually is a total bs), they at least let us play our games whenever we wish to.

[@michaell8000]

you know just because Tencent doesn't actually have legal access to epic users data doesn't mean they aren't getting it in other ways that are facilitated by epic.

[@HadzabadZa]

@@Lazaruz95 At least I'm thankful that all this bullshit made me actually start caring about who the developers and their masters are and what they do

[@sighsgkj]

Smart phones / Smart TV / Windows already sell those info so.......technically they can make that claim without lying?

[@rrai1999]

I would've bought it on Steam. Now I will get the best deal, and dock my ship at ye olde pirate bay..

[@firecaps3140]

Yo weeb were did you get this info

[@TheCursedCat1927]

@@firecaps3140 They announced that "Phoenix Point will be availaible on both Steam and GoG, along with PlayStation Store and XBox Live..." when they started the funding.

[@aitch9053]

I don't get it. If you buy it on Epic, you don't need to use the Epic launcher. You could launch it thru Steam after you buy it, or a desktop shortcut. What missing features of Steam make it a total dealbreaker for you?

[@mindsoulbody]

@@aitch9053 watch videos on epic deal and how fishy and broken it is on so many aspects compared to steam.jt looks good on the outside but inside it's a rotten deal.

[@libertyprime9891]

@@aitch9053 Keep giving your personal data to the chinese government through Tencent, And keep buying those fortnite skins!

[@xTheToolx]

Too bad. Now it's a boycott game.

[@vanivanov9571]

You do realize you're hurting yourselves by that? Instead of downloading a free launcher, and enjoying the game, along with free DLC you got given as a gift... you're going to probably make 0 difference, and be very bored. I respect your right to boycott... but no one is going to be impressed by the woeful situation of having to download a free app.

[@whatisbestinlife8112]

The Epic Store is inherently, perhaps intentionally, anti-consumer.

[@GravenAshes]

@bad4ever2010 yeah cause steam is a whole lot better. At least epic doesn't fuck over the developers and doesn't turn the game submittal process into a free for all.

[@Dueilangoisseus]

@@GravenAshes No, you're right - on the Epic store, the game submittal process is "Hey, have a shitload of *free* money to release your game on our platform!"

[@Person01234]

@@GravenAshes Yes, steam is a whole lot better. They're not good, but exclusivity deals kill competition stone dead. Steam never did anything that would stop Epic creating their own storefront and competing. Anyone could make a storefront and make it better than steam and there would be legitimate competition that would benefit the consumer. The precedent that epic is setting is like that of the console market, where each storefront will have it's own exclusives and once that happens, noone can break into the market because they won't have their own exclusives. It also prevents any competition between the stores as people will either have to pick their favourite exclusives, or use both anyway (so there's no actual competition). As much as Steam could do with better consumer protections, it has at least made steps towards them, gradually. Epic is taking a giant leap backwards. Exclusivity deals shouldn't even be legal. You realise that if it's all based on exclusives, Epic having a nice tidy storefront means nothing, and won't push steam to improve to compete?

[@GravenAshes]

@@Person01234 I'm not saying epic is great either but the reason these developers have been signing with epic is because steam takes like 70% of their profits. And indie companies get screwed the worst especially since steam has no quality control and it's becoming harder and harder to get discovered as an indie developer on steam when you have to share the space with shit quality games. And steam is anti consumer because these shit games get bought and there is no recourse to get a refund unless it creates such a stink it enters the news.

[@GravenAshes]

also please tell me how steam had made steps to improve on their failings. If anything they've gotten worse. If you disagree I would like to point you towards a little game called "Rape Day"

[@Tamipriest]

Epic is not making any friends >.> and that chinese spyware is not helping eihter and cuz only some EPIC guy on Reddit said +naaaaaaaah we totally dont spy on you guys + does not mean he is telling the truth >.>

[@Tamipriest]

@@pedrokantor3997 i dont believe a single word from them >.> and this sort of thing can give them hell in the EU region with the new Data protection laws >.>

[@cherrydragon3120]

Epic doesn't care about making friends lol. They wants exclusive games to attract players so they can earn even more money. They care little Bout being favorable. They're a company. Not a charity

[@Tamipriest]

@@cherrydragon3120 that is a +saying+ by that it means , epic is not making look itself good , so people have even more reasons not to use their shitty launcher , do i really need to explain something so basic to you =?

[@specialnewb9821]

@@ColletteKelly true but now they get disappeared if they make too much noise.

[@Vashy434]

Alot of games are owned or assisted by chinese company Tencent, so guess what, China has your data and has had it for years.

[@Sol_00007]

ProTip: if a kickstarter project attempts to and succeeds in securing funding from outside sources, the project in its initial scope is null and void.

[@TheCursedCat1927]

That's basically every single Kickstarter these days :P

[@dandhan87]

Its seems only board games and comic books are somewhat reliable on KS

[@_hank9508]

After finishing Metro:Exodus I wanted to check how many hours the campaign took so I could figure out if the game was worth the price. There's no such feature on epic. There's no user reviews. There's no community hub, no game-specific forums, no link to my screenshots folder (if there even is one), no comments on the store page. This is quite literally just a launcher. Epic isn't competing with exclusives. There's no such thing as competition if there's only one. If they wanted to compete and be a compelling alternative to steam they should offer better service, better features and be a better store for customers in general. They're none of this right now.

[@krisbrooks1825]

And yet you still got the game so your post is mute.

[@devbyrd6127]

I didn’t back this but honestly I feel for all the backers. All the money fans put into this investment only for them to go exclusive to Epic... evil stuff I tell ya.

[@Chirpysemperboy]

For a year, but yeah, the bad feels still remain.

[@dream6562]

How can they feel betrayed, they are offering full recompensation to those people, its not like they are running away and taking the money

[@anihilus2344]

I backed this at a discount, and I'm just glad that I'm still getting the Steam key that I requested.

[@TheMovement85]

WOW really playing fast and loose with the word Evil.

[@Chirpysemperboy]

@@dream6562 True, but many believed there was a promise made that the game was going to be made available immediately to Steam and gog.com. The exclusivity deal has screwed folks who either don't want or don't have the space for another launcher. They will have to wait a year to get the game if they want to keep the number of launchers they have down.

[@Sloth53]

3 DLCs in the first year?? More cash grab crap

[@thomasjefferson2813]

Spiderman had 3 DLCs in the first few months

[@g.w.k.y6869]

What?! More new stuff to keep people playing and to get new experiences?! Isn't that an oof.

[@crackedupmonk]

Real Darth Revan just gonna throw it out here; that’s not a good thing.

[@g.w.k.y6869]

@@yournextdoorgamerwithgames2945 and most dlc are behind a paywall not ALL but most Probably decent person

[@christophersavignon4191]

@@johnwrath3612 Still a cash grab. There's a difference between an upfront deal and trying to leech more money from your customers after they bought something.

[@jakkubus]

Sad truth is that after securing sponsors Julian Gollop and Snapshot Games couldn't care less about their backers.

[@zterrans]

The thing to do is remember and never support either of them ever again.

[@niteip187]

Would you turn down 2 million dollars? That’s enough to cover Steam sales plus they can sell more on Epic and Epic only takes 12% revenue while Steam takes 30% you literally can’t refuse that don’t be dumb

[@syndan9245]

@@niteip187 game makers that actively alienate and lie to their player base don't last very long. Loyalty is worth more than any $ amt

[@niteip187]

Syndan See how far loyalty gets you when you’re a struggling developer, fans with half a brain will sympathise and stick around and that’s the kind of customer you want anyway.

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

@NTense, absolutely wrong. Fans will go to the people that support them. Even with 0 understanding of economics, the evidence is there. Look at Star Wars - Disney alienenated the most loyal fanbase of all time to such an extent, a Star Wars *FILM* failed. And that's a multi-million dollar franchise with almost no chance of failure. This is a niche game with very little advertising and a fanbase built up of Kickstarter backers, most of which are now demanding refunds. That right there is failure, when your investors are demanding their money back.

[@DE0DAT1989]

Gets backed by crowdfunding - makes exclusive - wonders why people are pissed

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@travisv6408 You'd like that.... I like XCOM, so I don't wish them to fail and lose their livelihoods. Developers often have it pretty hard to make ends meet.

[@vanivanov9571]

"WAAAH! I have to download a free launcher/app to use this! That's exclusivity!" Grow up!

[@DE0DAT1989]

@@vanivanov9571 It wouldn't be an issue if the game hadn't been crowdfunded and told directly to the people funding it that it would be on Steam. For someone to take millions of dollars and then lie to the people they were taking money from is some seriously scummy business practice. Regardless, I don't have a problem with the Epic launcher, but its still a super shitty move from them.

[@christianraymundo7910]

@@vanivanov9571 the problem is they said we are not keeping our promises dont like it get a refund because even if 100 percent of backers refund we will be fine. its a fuck you to people who backed this game and put there money on the line based on promises, they used fans and backers as interest free loans or in other words risk free loans

[@ezra4393]

The Epic Games store is a complete joke.

[@MrMadRealms]

You don't have to point out the obvious

[@rapsody230]

Its just a luncher. Jeez.

[@Dueilangoisseus]

@@rapsody230 "luncher"

[@Rorschach1998]

Facts

[@paytoneous7046]

bad4ever2010 it’s malware!!! Did I get it right?

[@oldbittercraig3513]

so my take away from the last year or three of gaming... 1. don't back anything. 2. don't pre-order anything. 3. don't buy anything on launch day. wait a month to see if it's worth it. living abroad with frequent moves, switched from pc to more "disposable" consoles so can at least avoid the Epic Scourge.

[@greybrother7274]

Amen.

[@Empress_Theresa]

Preach brother!

[@raskal5988]

Wait a month? Damn

[@SomeKindaSpy]

@@raskal5988 Absolutely yes. In fact *at least* a month.

[@DarkRavin07]

How to kill your games hype and trust in just 1 easy move...

[@Nekro9000]

They are saying that they can't do the steam release but they are getting loads of money from epic and will use it to create new content that they will give away for FREE to backers and if the steam thing is a deal breaker they will give out a refund and you are upset? Gaming community literally the most retarded community on the planet lmao.

[@SubZer0Blaze]

@@Nekro9000 lol

[@angrymushroom26]

Hope this game falls completely flat. The crowd funding MADE that game and they fully betrayed that customer relationship. This is unacceptable business practice and I hope legal action is being pursued.

[@vanivanov9571]

And that's why the Steam Gremlins will fail. You're super vindictive and dogmatic, and that's very off-putting. Some of you even talk about normies who deserve to get virused.

[@hamidmehrdad5805]

Why are you guys flipping out over this. You don’t think about the developers. What if not enough people buy it and they lose money. Epic guarantees them money. Legal action for that seriously. Why would you want a game to fail because you guys can’t be bothered to get Epic Store. You guys whine about everything

[@ajaxmaxbitch]

​@@hamidmehrdad5805fr I don't even like epic games / the exclusively bs but some people man

[@slowmoe1686]

PhoenixPoint: "Thanks for giving us an interest free loan guys, we are going to sellout to Tencent now"

[@retroxify]

I'll pirate it. If I enjoy it, I'll purchase it in a year on the platform of MY choice. Because digital consumers have choices too.

[@Unoriginal1deas]

narsaku you can always support a product without supporting their practices

[@davidlewis5312]

@@Unoriginal1deas uh... no... while I disagree with pirating, I sure as hell disagree with buying

[@enragedgamersco]

Don’t buy it but if you pirate you’re a piece of shit.

[@leontarmann3449]

If you do buy it, buy it from key selling sites. Hurts them a bit more.

[@wildeyshere_paulkersey853]

@@enragedgamersco Cry me a fucking river.

[@DarkNova50]

*Bethesda:* "Caveat Emptor, brothers." *Blizzard, BioWare, Deep Silver:* "Caveat Emptor." *Bethesda:* ""My brothers, I'm pleased to welcome another member into these hallowed halls." *Snapshot Games:* "Greetings, brothers. May we sink to even deeper depths in pursuit of the almighty dollar!"

[@TheCursedCat1927]

Okay, why is Blizzard even here ? [besides "Diablo Moble"]

[@aurex8937]

Age quod agis, amicum!

[@konkrz2374]

@@TheCursedCat1927 blizzard = activision

[@heichiro091]

@@TheCursedCat1927 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

[@cracmar03]

I don't understand that joke. Sorry. Bethesda isn't doing spyware, and their launcher would be better off from adding ESO there. They have after all two multiplayer games already. BioWare and Blizzard are victims of publishers - or you spoke about Bethesda as an studio, not publisher. Then once again you added Deep Silver who IS publisher not a studio. If it is supposed to be about greed and scummy practices of publishers you missed EA, Activision and Take Two. If it is about studios, what is: 1) Deep Silver doing here - it's publishers, others I assume you mean just studios. 2) What does Betha who is stubborn anti-industry studio doing there - unless you spoke about publishing Betha. 3) If it is about dissapointments - who had faith in Deep Silver as a whole, and Anthem and 76 as projects ?? 4) If it is about studio then nobody would have expectation from Bethesda Austin which made this mess 76, it's like BioWare Montreal doing Andromeda - same case.

[@jackmeriustacktheritrix]

"Minority share holder" that owns 40%, I guess it's technically true but doesn't exactly tell the whole story

[@elias_xp95]

Yeah thats s big minorty

[@Darkwatchelite]

Epic games was like "hey kid you like success?" -opens van door- "I have plenty I'd like to share"

[@lance134679]

When I first heard about the Epic Games store, I thought it would be a good thing. I was so wrong. Everything about this store is anti-consumer. I'm also afraid to even have it installed on my computer.

[@frosty925]

There's been rumors that epic is stealing steam account info, idk much but that's something to worry about

[@shadushio9682]

Unlike the phoenix, which comes back from death more beautiful, this will come back tainted.

[@ozozo12345]

Behold, the Shakespeare of comments. I like this guy

[@darksteelmenace595]

*This will come back to bite someone in the ass

[@SomeKindaSpy]

More like a Balrog. It fell as fire into water and returned to walk as a thing of slime.

[@TaranTatsuuchi]

Exclusivity is not competition. Competition is providing a comparative or better user experience than the competition. Not forcing the users into using a sub par experience.

[@vanivanov9571]

A free app anyone can download is NOT exclusivity.... There needs to be a First World Problems meme of this.

[@junsengjs]

@@vanivanov9571 forcing someone to USE your platform is not competition.

[@ExUSSailor]

Yeah, thanks, Julian, but, I prefer my games without malware.

[@reddeaddude2187]

Fortnite itself is malware.

[@jjc5871]

Cry more

[@european-one]

@@jjc5871 stop crying

[@ExUSSailor]

@@reddeaddude2187 That's why I don't play it.

[@ExUSSailor]

@@jjc5871 Go fuck yourself.

[@acsk1llies4]

We sold out. You should be thanking me. - Phoenix Point CEO

[@harrymason4300]

Thanks for saving me 60 bucks. I'll buy Halo MCC for Steam instead.

[@Albus_Rex]

@@harrymason4300 SWAT DMR time

[@MrNull73]

Epic Games is strongarming developers like the Mafia.

[@JerkyMurky]

Its not strongarming them when they are giving them boat loads of cash. Thats just bribery. Gallop wasnt forced to go Epic, he was "convinced" to, with a suitcase full of cash.

[@TheReal_birbwizard]

@@JerkyMurky I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse.

[@MrH-GB]

Not strong arming at all, they're just exposing greed, devs/pubs can say no if they want to.

[@SunlightGwyn]

They willingly chose to do this even though they knew they would get backlash. That is on the devs, not Epic. They chose money over their own integrity.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@MrH-GB The behaviour in response to this, review bombing and pirating games, attacking major developers and throwing a fit.... I think they made the right choice. You guys have no loyalty whatsoever to them, so they should not have loyalty towards you. Most of their players will enjoy downloading a free app so as to play the game, which is what they backed. They didn't back the steam logo on the game.

[@xkeepersvk]

Sellout. I hope next time he tries to crowdfund something people will remember this.

[@Malkheus]

Never let this go. People will forget and internet community will just have to remind people again.

[@ThusSpokeFlexo]

Nobody will ever be pleased by hearing about an exclusivity deal, especially a game that was crowdfunded. Don’t know how this could come as a surprise

[@MrODST57]

ゆうき exclusives are the reason why consoles exist .....

[@UnicornStorm]

@@MrODST57 it's the other way around, though.... but yeah, it's pretty stupid how people are happy about other players not being able to play a game, because they bought the "wrong" platform

[@AngelPerez-dw8ou]

@@yuuki3 We dont like exclusives, they are the most low key anti consumer thing ever! Im a xbox fan and I am happy to see Halo and every 1st party xbox game to go to PC and hopefully Android, IOS and switch with Xcloud. Exclusives take away the option for the player. I dont get why peoe support exclusives, like Playstation fams support sony for their exclusives which are great games but again are exclusives which is forcing you to buy a PS4 to play them. Yet people are still protecting them for that shit.

[@darrylferguson3622]

@@yuuki3 to put it better, nobody on PC wants exclusives.

[@SwiftGale1]

@@AngelPerez-dw8ou Maybe because those exclusives are usually funded by Sony. I'm not saying it's a great thing, but it's understandable from a business standpoint, just like how Bayonetta 2 was locked to Nintendo consoles because it wouldn't exist without Nintendo's involvement.

[@danielbrown5986]

Ah Epic Games, destroying developer's customer goodwill one exclusive at a time.

[@lunasakara7306]

Epic games; The perfect store for letting you know what games not to buy.

[@vaguedreams]

Or Epic Games, guaranteeing the success of games that may fail or get lost in the shuffle.

[@CyberJezzus]

"We have 3 different DLC's already" Wouldn't that be part of the base game? it's not even released yet.

[@ceu160193]

Two words: more money.

[@LordArlack]

Sweet, another game taken OFF my going to buy list, thanks Epic store! Continuing to save me money!

[@bigbodymiyagi7877]

People like you need to continue posting your thoughts/actions , I'm a console gamer and the exclusive bs really does suck

[@renealbrechtsen9743]

@Kratos this has nothing to do with loyalty to one store over another. This is not competition.

[@madmonkeys88]

@Kratos exclusivity is NOT competitive. if epic AND steam had phoenix point on there stores and on epic you could get it for less or it had free DLC then it would be competition. exclusivity NECESSITATES NO COMPETITION BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET IT IN ONE PLACE THEREFORE THEY DONT NEED TO COMPETE.

[@MadIvano]

Arlack whats wrong with the epic games store? Seriously? Valve has had a monopoly on that market and monopolies are never a good thing.

[@MaidenLoaf]

@Kratos - Epic Games isn't providing competition because they aren't actually providing the same product. If I buy a phone, be it an iPhone or a Samsung or an Oppo or a Sony, they ALL have the *same general functionality* of being smartphones. Where they differ is what they offer in terms of user experience and additional features on top of that. What Epic is doing with its exclusivity deal nonsense is *NOT* providing users with a different experience for fundamentally the same product - which is what proper competition would be in this regard. They aren't breaking Steam's monopoly by offering the same fundamental products with a better experience... they're just trying to make their own monopoly with their own products separate to Steam. For example, if Game X is released on Epic but not Steam, I can't have the Steam experience or the Epic experience of Game X, because Game X is epic exclusive - there's literally no competition to be had.

[@UltimaOmega777]

These companies are really abusing the adage "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission."

[@burningphoenix6679]

killer bee so it’s ok for them to screw us over because they’re greedy? You’d make a good executive at EA

[@UltimaOmega777]

@@killerbee1974 I'm not doubting that's most likely the case for their switch to Epic. All that I'm saying is that these days developers/companies are doings things while the consumer has little to no idea on what happens till it's too late. I mean obviously we don't have any direct say, as none of us are in their board of members or decision making teams. It's their right to do whatever they want. It's just that it is annoying when things like the Steam to Epic Launcher change happens. It becomes more than just an inconvenience when you were expecting Steam and instead are told that it will be delayed for a Year for their gain. It is a good thing that they're at least offering compensation but even that's a calculated business decision where the loss and inconvenience to consumer is minimal to the overall gain from a choice like this.

[@doom7ish]

I'll wait until it gets put on steam, and I'll wait until the price drops. And I'll buy HALO: MCC Oh and I saw this coming a mile away.

[@felixmustermann790]

you can always pirate it and later buy it on steam if you feel bad about it x3

[@AverageDoomer69]

just pirate the game and stfu you imbeciles .

[@seanwarren9357]

MCC 👍, but I'll never support this project because of the ethical failure in its foundation. 3 dlc in the first year, huh? Get bent...

[@ElimRawne]

How did you see this coming if I may ask? The kickstarter was two years ago.

[@doom7ish]

@@ElimRawne everything on Kickstarter falls, or money is misused. Any time a game, comic, movie or project gets put on Kickstarter it just falls and collapses.

[@KJ-je9pm]

I bet that one year free DLC is already finished and ready at launch.

[@sathra4036]

It's going to be free to all backers and pre-orders according to Julian too. Though the backers that paid extra to get the dlc as well are pissed.

[@sathra4036]

Checked the forums. The backer special DLC is unchanged (living weapons + armour). Still exclusive to higher-tier backers for three months, then paid for everyone else (this isn't included with the free stuff). Its not included in the year of free DLC that everyone who backed/pre-ordered gets. They intend to release 3 DLC in the first year, of which the first 2 planned are the extra FiG goals (sea bases and underwater missions). Those who back, but decide to wait until the exclusive is over will still get all this stuff with their Steam/GoG keys. Also those keys are up for them to decide to how to use. Gift or resell is fine apparently. The Epic launcher is required for installing and updating. Otherwise not needed.

[@jasonwong7214]

when i see the news i refund the game right away...felt like they slap me right in my face

[@vanivanov9571]

@@sathra4036 ??? Are you stupid? You're saying that people who backed the high-tier levels, partially to get special DLC, should find out they just wasted their money because everyone else is getting it for free?

[@vanivanov9571]

@@jasonwong7214 Because not kissing your hand to steam is like physical violence. Because having to download a free launcher for the game hurts you. You should really reconsider your priorities in life, here. Because it sounds like you would've preferred that the game failed, rather than have to play it on a different app.

[@77.77-o7e]

I see pirates looming over the horizon.

[@eiszapfenderwutendenwinde3233]

And they have full right to do so. Epic already payed for their free copies. So pirate the fck out of this sh!tty anti consumer game.

[@toobnoobify]

@Faux Eden _"who buys games in 2019"_ Judging by Steam statistics, millions of people (including me) still buy games in 2019.

[@SubZer0Blaze]

can you still play online when you pirate games?

[@kyb7795]

@@SubZer0Blaze no pirate servers yes

[@nekrotika1]

@Faux Eden I buy games from dudes who play fair. I was supposed to buy metro exodus for my pc and I learned that it was gonna be on epic so I bought it for my PS4 (just to let you know, the fucking publishers decided to put it on epic, fuck deep silver, poor, poor 4a...)

[@rievenailo]

Seems like a good time to forget about signing up for crowdfunding anything.

[@S71xx]

Crowdfunding is just a vehicle for scam artists and incompetent hacks. I'd love to see a list comparing fully competed projects vs. failed, incomplete, and abandoned projects.

[@GlitchImprover1]

@@S71xx Ive mentioned it in another comment but I'll reply with my personal experience, it's a small 5 project sample with a essentially 50/50 success rate. ( All on Kickstarter) 1. The outlier project was a project called Skarp, which was removed by Kickstarter so I wasn't actually charged for it so I don't count it as success/fail. 2. The first successful project I aided was dungeons and drafts, a fantasy/DnD themed bar in Colorado. I got everything I backed for, they communicated well, and if I ever make it to Colorado I get perks as well. 3. The second successful project was Braeön (now called Forj) which was a ribbon that could adhere to itself when heated and was moldable and as strong as steel. I don't think communication was as good with this one but they still delivered and made up for the late delivery by doubling everyone's quantity of ribbon. 3. The first fail was funded around the same time as the bar was, and still has yet to deliver (I think we are reaching year 4 past the delivery date). This was actually from an already established company called Munitio to fund their Pro30 line of on ear headphones. Communication was good at first but the project ran into issues (I won't elaborate to keep this comment shorter, I'd say it's abandoned, no updates in a year) 4. The second fail was funded around the same time as the Forj ribbon and is working on 2 years past it's delivery. This was meant to be a case and cooling solution that used vapor cooling. It was also by an established company called Caylos and the prototype had even been at CES. Delivery has kept getting pushed back with various explanations, but I'd still classify as incomplete even if they haven't communicated well.

[@darkmantlestudios]

@@S71xx you're never going to be satisfied if you demand 100 percent success. Just buy things from the storefront. Crowd funding has supplied some of my favourite games, whether I initially funded them or not, so I think it's a net positive.

[@Esguardian]

@@S71xx I've backed Zombicide Black Plague and Sword & Sorcery and got everything that was promised. Sure there are some people with bad intentions but you can't generalize and claim that every crowdfunding is like that.Btw don't we have the same bait and switch by triple A companies like EA,Ubisoft,Activision Blizz ?Common sense is your best weapon against shady practices and seeing your comment;that is something that you lack off.

[@bast3388]

1:14 : "Phoenix Point is the fusion of Xcom and Fallout we all want" Wasteland 2 would like to have a word with you.

[@silvercreeperh115]

Hey, it is following Fallout with its bs so....

[@derpderpin9840]

@@silvercreeperh115 Really? How? (Not sarcasm, just curious)

[@derpderpin9840]

@@certifiedprofessional9017 but what about Wasteland?

[@silvercreeperh115]

@@derpderpin9840 Showing what looks like good content, promising better things, then last minute cuts/changes that kinda screw over loyal fans.

[@derpderpin9840]

@@silvercreeperh115 fair enough, such a shame, I loved Wasteland 2

[@ajeje1996]

Pirating requires no store. Just saying. (And no, I don't support piracy, but game devs that pull this kind of shit should take notice that there is ALWAYS an alternative)

[@ajeje1996]

@@2020-p2z Arrr!

[@vanivanov9571]

I suppose they should stop trusting the incredibly fickle, disloyal, and tribalistic players, and not have DRM free games and services, as Epic store and this game are. If you decide to steal because you have to download a free app to play the game, after getting free DLC... you're just not trustworthy at all.

[@amulrei8149]

It's sad to see even industry pioneers are not immune to naked greed. Thirty or so years of goodwill and support from players/backers sold out in an instant for a backroom deal with Epic.

[@victor1625]

Goodwill does not pay bills

[@Mayhzon]

Talk is cheap, but money talks. See and hear, people.

[@blaidddrwg-ye9dy]

Um. Yall are dumb. Steam steals from game devs. Super sales are unauthorized, which means a 30 dollar game with a percentage of 30 (the largest cut ever) going to steam. Epic seems like a great way to go for new devs. They take I think 10-15 percent plus give me money so I can develop a game further? Hell yeah sign me up. Means I can feed my family.

[@Chroniclerope]

blaidddrwg86 000 But I'm not going to download a malware launcher on my pc.

[@niagarawarrior9623]

Steam has been around for 15 years, it could do with competition. however. If your a game developer and your signed up with steam as content distributor there ARE benefits of course. Yes 30% does seem pretty steep but that 30% gives you instant access to a market of 125+ million users, and your game is advertised in multiple ways. Steam sales are at Steams discretion based on various factors like theme, product sales slumps, sequel releases etc, its not stealing when you sign the agreement that lets them do that, by no means is that theft. Its a free market, devs and customers can use whatever platform they feel is best for them, but Epic Games is using Loss Leader techniques that will change once they get a certain amount of active users drawn in and they can afford to raise prices to make the arrangement better for themselves.

[@TheRibbonRed]

No regional pricing? No pay. Sorry, but I guess I'll contend with XCOM 2 and Enemy Unknown.

[@TheCubanGeneral]

What is regional pricing? Ive been used to just paying what I normally pay, does the amount change in different regions?

[@Gouhllit]

Xenonauts would interest you i feel, its a spiritual successor of the orginal x-com and the second Xenonauts is being developed right now.

[@themadoneplays7842]

Try Xenonauts too, its also popular with xcom fans and is on both steam and GOG

[@dannyhel]

yup, Brupcat is right, I live on Brazil and 7 of 10 workers here earns just between U$0.50 ~ U$1.00 per hour on a full time job, not mentioning that 60% of that goes to taxes through all products/services prices, so usually we pay between U$30~U$40 on a brand new AAA U$60 game at most, otherwise we wouldn't have changed on the past few years thanks to Steam discounts the absurd amount of Piracy we left behind, we can't stop to eat to play games :/

[@personalspace6270]

@Brupcat its a stupid reaction you could have just answered it. If you think he is too stupid too get a answer dont answer simple.

[@Nicmadis]

I hung up my cutlass. I cleaned my blunderbuss and put it in my chest. But what is this... Ship ahoy my maties!

[@Andre-gn4sj]

'tis th' most creative comment i 'ave seen all day, matey edit: i where totally not lazy and used a translater...

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

SET SAIL TO THE HIGH SEAS!

[@christophersavignon4191]

@@Andre-gn4sj There's a translator for Arrnglish?

[@skywise8]

Well shave me belly with a rusty razor! aye, i found a pirate translator.

[@aurex8937]

Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free!

[@The_gaming_archaeologist]

As a backer this really pissed me off and came off as quite weasely from them. I will not support any new crowdfunding venture by them.

[@dewoiski]

If Epic games was a good platform they wouldn't need exclusivity from the developers of these games!

[@0ctothorp]

@Kratos They could start by including baseline features people expect from any storefront, you know like cloud saves, forums. There is no point in breaking a monopoly by using an inferior service as that is just going to collapse back and you're left with a monopoly again.

[@niteip187]

Octothorpe I don’t care about trading cards, reviews, forums or any of that nonsense. Valve wants you to think these features are a necessity to keep you loyal to their brand. The fact that Epic uses less resources to play the game, which I is all I care about, is a plus for me so you can’t speak for all people.

[@kaathesacolyte2943]

@@niteip187 Reviews are extremely important; everyone should care about customers reviews.

[@Twafflejc]

@@niteip187 but without forum's you wouldnt fix specific issues, without reviews you wouldn't know if a game is bad or not. But cards are only worth to sell for more money and buy cheap DLCS and cheap games, other than that, your vision feels wrong in a way.

[@AzariusR]

It's just that Epic games was just a scummy Profit based company since the Fortnite Battle Royale success. They literally open think that all Fortnite players are going to just use the Epic Store anyways so they just wanted to cash in on their playerbase. Well I never thought about even wanting to play Fortnite BR so I'm like meh. But their Exclusivity deals is like trying to bring Console Exclusive Wars to the PC platform. At this point even Microsoft Xbox is a better platform now since they are bringing Halo MCC to PC.

[@andywaterworth4570]

Everyone should get their refund and wait a year to buy it from GOG and Steam, then Epic would have wasted their money. This game wouldnt have even made it this far without the backers

[@Albus_Rex]

Or perhaps not buy it at all? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@phantomderp834]

Better yet, pirate it before buying it on steam

[@IndianTelephone]

Is Epic Store trying to garner collective hatred for their platform from PC gamers worldwide, by making exclusive deals?

[@blaidddrwg-ye9dy]

Because steam steals chunks of money from devs? Because exclusivity gives capital to new teams to further help them create a game? I mean that sounds great to me.

[@zenkisaragi1551]

@@blaidddrwg-ye9dy You don't know what you're talking about, kid. Fuck outta here.

[@mashedpotatoes77]

@@blaidddrwg-ye9dy exclusivity helping the devs? Take a look at Thronebreaker and it says otherwise. Abysmal sales until released to Steam and this is a first party game released exclusively on GOG. A 12% revenue cut isn't going to do shit if you don't have the volume of sales to back it up.

[@IndianTelephone]

@@blaidddrwg-ye9dy Sure, but the way they are aggressively approaching devs to choose only their platform, forcing players on their platform, is an archaic practice. Especially when they couldn't even be bothered to release a basic featured store and platform. Their privacy policy is dubious. Its pretty much non-consumer friendly platform. Even Origins and Uplay launched in a way better state and theirs was only proprietary platform for their own games. Legally they might not be doing anything wrong, but they surely are getting tons of negative attention by doing these practices. Especially for everyone who loves and is used to Steam.

[@Driblus]

No. They are trying to replace steam.

[@adrianadrianadrian7283]

Phoenix Point: *signs exclusivity deal with Epic Games Pirates: *it's free real estate*

[@vanivanov9571]

They shouldn't have trusted you, by making it and the store DRM free, then.

[@colindols4112]

i think getting scammed and games not working as intended and overal A-hole company's is the theme of this year

[@charlesh4463]

Where is the scam here

[@cherrydragon3120]

I did sense that theme too

[@cherrydragon3120]

@@charlesh4463 pretty much anyone who doesn't have epicgames accounts and did back up the games funding for release on steam or gog.com wich the company will not do for the first year. Wich basicly means. They paid realy money to get the game and pretty much are punished by waiting a whole year to even play it

[@cherrydragon3120]

@@charlesh4463 may not be a big scam. But still a scam

[@laughingoctopus8556]

Theme of the last 9 years and its only getting more popular.

[@card44]

Uh oh, again...

[@MrMadRealms]

First it was metro, then the division 2 which while nobody else cares I do, and now this!?!? #FUCKEPICGAMESSTORE

[@alexdecamp7814]

@@MrMadRealms At least Division 2 is still on Uplay. At least it's not Epic.

[@burgbass]

Ok so when good games come out now they go out on epic store. We can't have like just any normal experience with games now, the games either have to be upsetting/lied about and trashy, or the good ones that are getting out there now are going onto the Epic Store.

[@michaelagustinsantos3015]

Can someone tell me why people hate the Epic Games Store?

[@bdub8627]

@@MrMadRealms i buy ubisoft games from uplay anyways. If you buy it on steam then you have 2 DRM - Uplay & Steam.

[@vinak963]

Another example of a company looking for short term gain at the expense of long term viability.

[@jjc5871]

No gain or viability when you need money to finish what you’re working on

[@vinak963]

@@jjc5871 they got ~750k when they asked for 500. This was a company that was offered cash for exclusivity and were blinded by the dollar signs.

[@pedrobrazon6610]

@@jjc5871 so um....what was the crowdfunding for then? isnt the whole point of those to get the funds you need to finish the game? a goal they also surpased by like half the amount they asked?

[@jjc5871]

@@pedrobrazon6610 Do you not know how money works?? Shit happens and costs increase.

[@jjc5871]

@@vinak963 Yea and I ask for $5 for a sandwich and still end up not having enough money.

[@taepark5330]

Crowdfunding laws.. how explicit is it? Maybe a class action suit will open up a can of worms for future precedence and reference.

[@shanechannel7066]

Sadly their are a lot of loop holes when it comes to crowdfunding

[@TheReal_birbwizard]

Promissory Estoppel?

[@thedarklordx]

There's no way you could prove damages so you'd lose the lawsuit and bankrupt the company out of spite so no one gets the game

[@vanivanov9571]

Yeah, you guys struck me as lawyer weasels. "We have to download a free app to play this game! We are VICTIMS and need JUSTICE!!" Is there anything more pathetic than this controversy?

[@keithgoh123]

DRM free and launching without Epic Launcher? Well we'll see about that.

[@GrimK77]

Epic Launcher is malware scanning your Steam data for personal data

[@ZDehuman1ze]

But they haven't flat out lied yet have they? They kinda fucked people over with the fine print sure but they can't do so with the DRM and the Epic Launcher

[@derrickpatten7252]

So, according to that comparative list one of the features that Epic does have that Steam doesn't is "Chi Com Spying".

[@UncleEarl97]

Derrick Patten , so true!

[@EndymionMkII]

Well, another game that goes right to the Epic Spyware

[@sannyfolkesson2226]

steams "hd killer" aint better, nah gog is far better then either

[@tsRR09]

@@sannyfolkesson2226 wdym hd killer

[@akhil2024]

The dev should be sued by the backers for not disclosure exclusivity upfront.

[@snazwonk2066]

false advertisement. I think its possible.

[@akhil2024]

@@snazwonk2066 Well it's more than false advertising.Its wrong morally and Ethical by using your fanbase for interest free loans is kinda scummy. (It's just my opinion i never backed that project.)

[@keiskay]

You can't sue as the money is technically a gift or donation but not an investment.