EPIC CNC upgrade - episode 7. Granite gantry, squaring and installing, upgrade progress

[@ErtsenPlayGames]

EPIC job for EPIC cnc mill now we looking for next video :D

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

working on it already :D

[@billstrahan4791]

I still think of you often when I use my flood coolant ring that you inspired and helped with. If I ever buy another CNC mill of any kind, that will be the first modification I make.

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

I'm glad you remember of me :) when you make lots of chips there is just no better way. no more cleaning :D I just bumped up my pump to 9500l/h and better pre filter. not a single chip is left behind :D

[@AnasSuhaimi]

Beautiful build, man... I'm so jealous.

[@CryoftheProphet]

My dude built his own datron

[@alexfunke214]

Hi, Fox! Good to see you working on this machine! Good luck!

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Hi Alex, It's all done now ;) works like a dream.

[@Ripper6504]

Heheh when the granite looks undersized so cool!

[@jonbeno9926]

A slick way to turn a reference surface into a lapping plate is adhesive backed, annealed aluminum foil, for example Mcmaster 8941K25. The lapping compound embeds in the aluminum which makes it last longer and avoids destroying the ground metal reference surface. This should work between two granite surfaces as well if you have one that is a good reference and another that has material to remove.

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

good idea, next time i might use a heavy duty aluminium tape, just like they use in ventilation. its quite thick

[@pauldorman]

You could try covering the lapping side of the angle plate with aluminium foil. The grit would be more likely to embed in the softer metal.

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Thanks for the idea 💡

[@lukasixthm1]

No w końcu nowy film. Ale obejrzę dopiero wieczorem. :-)

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

jak w koncu?! przegapiles poprzedni :D

[@lukasixthm1]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki Oczywiście że nie. Ale już się od nich uzależniłem i chciałbym codziennie nowy film :-) A tak poza off topic to świetna robota, serio. Będę miał do Ciebie prośbę, ale to jak poskładasz wszystko w całość :-)

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

sprawdz mojego instagrama :P

[@NINEWALKING]

I wonder were sliding block oiled regularly? Those have nozzles and last longer if they are receiving oil or grease from time to time.

[@TheDIMONART]

Ok, Fox, welcome to ASML company team) Your next project will be lithography machine with 2 nanometer accuracy:-)

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

really? :) that thought never crossed my mind :) but who knows :D

[@TheDIMONART]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki Those guys in Netherlands make some cool stuff. I think, XY gantry in modern lithography machines is most precise kinematics cnc mechanism in the world...With interferometer laser linear actuators, thermo-stabilized frame...They are nuts)))) 100 years ago those hollands are walking in wooden shoes, haha)))) Even Canon and Nikon with their lithography machines can`t beat them))

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

I know i might look like i lost my mind with ths precision stuff 😁 but ther is the method in the madness 🤣 by my standard its precise enough. So now the biggest source of comes from the tool holder and quality of the endmills. My point is that in comparison to the lithography machine the grind on the endmill has bigger irregularities than that whole machine 😉 But yeah sounds really cool 😎

[@ShopperPlug]

9:11 - What a sucker, would be nice if you explained it, we wanna see you surface plating too. 15:30 - I like that alcohol trick...

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

as you so kindly mentioned, this sucker mentioned how few seconds back at 8:52 and linked to best explanation out there how to do it . also this sucker put links to ROBRENZ videos in the video description.

[@ShopperPlug]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki I have seen his videos and also Tom Lipton’s videos. They are good.

[@mauriziob5944]

fun thing, the ads for this video were for "square"space LOL

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Looks like Google AI is not that I 😉

[@indecent702]

Amazing work fox how much travel did you lose on the y axis from the linear rail blocks

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

actually i got more travel because i moved gantry a bit back. so i can go beyond the top of the vises and to the end. but i think 60 or 80mm less. currently is 340mm on Y

[@michaeldanielallen]

Since you mentioned him, you should go follow Robin Renzetti on instagram. LOTS more content there. He posts almost daily with neat shop tips.

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Im following him already ;)

[@MrVdmg]

Piotr, nice rigidity you have on the gantry, with the squareness and flatness you acheive on the differents parts, it makes it much riggider and strong as the whole or a lot o surface is in real contact, maybe the screws/bolts are the ones that stretch a little bit, I think. Well done ! I have a question about the linear rail you put for the Y axis. With common rails Hiwin like design, the counterbore for the bolts is dimensioned for cap screws but , in your case, you use a stud and a nut instead. Did you used a smaller diameter stud in order that the nut fits ( as far as the nut i have, cap screws head fits in a smaller diameter) in the counterbore or your rail are designed for this mounting style. I have thought some times about mounting rails like you did but nerver tried it. Super video/episode as always thanks !

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

yup i thought the same thing about screws on the side of the gantry stretching a bit. my rails are for m12 cap screws. and they are designed for the loads around 5 ton. in my application i wont need such load. so i went with m8 studs and flanged nuts. you could use allen nuts in smaller diameter holes. they are less common tho.

[@MrVdmg]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki ok , M12 is quite beefy, and wouldn't be so easy to drill M larger for an insert plus it would maybe less strong as you have less material on the side of you wall/y rail granite mount. Thank for the quick answer. Congratulations for all your works

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Thanks ;)

[@motionsick]

I've been thinking about this for a router. Have you seen the CNC Lathe from Dan Gelbart? He uses granite blocks for the frame. In Seattle area you can find large surface plates from Boeing second hand. Just saw a 48"x36"x7" the other day for $600 probably should have bought it. Cool project as usual.

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

I can see someone is binge watching 😀 it would make sense to buy it if you have in mind building a cnc. But since you are in us it's easy to get granite surface plate for cheap.

[@rkalle66]

For grinding granite with abrasives just use water.

[@J1I9M7M4Y]

This is so interesting!! A question: Do you need this kind of precision, or are you doing it to see how good you can make it?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

well.. I'm trying to do it good enough, because once its done I won't touch it for few years. and I need it as precise as time allows me. Just wish it would be more precise. 0 microns that would be my goal. mainly I just wanted to have a perfect surface finish and to make really flat parts.

[@jasonruch3529]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki Dont we all!! Lol hope you achieve your goal!! (Witch is better then premium machine tools)

[@ShopperPlug]

“Do you need this kind of precision” that is the most dumbest question I have ever heard from a human in CNC machining. Specially when a person I trying to build a precision CNC machine. It’s obvious he needs every sub micron precision just by looking at the granite blocks from his first video.

[@J1I9M7M4Y]

@@ShopperPlug Well, why are not every single cnc machine PERFECT then? Why do people buy cheap machines with less precision? Yeah, because not everyone NEED this kind of precision. I asked this because i wanted to know if he was doing this just to see HOW good machine he could build or if he actually need it. And maybe i havent seen all his videos? I suggest that you think before you "talk" mr keyboard warrior.

[@ShopperPlug]

@@J1I9M7M4Y It’s like my dog braking at me to ask me why people drink coffee in the morning and dinner at the night. Thank goodness that dog was put to sleep 😴 at the local vet. Go eat some bags of IQ or request your local vet to put you to sleep.

[@perreardmael3971]

Your are very courageous ! To avoid any mistake due to unexperienced, i have chose to buy a second cnc router MAKA ECM24 ( 12 tonnes ) instead of making my own. I will retrofit it with Mitsubishi M800 controller + servo. Why did you choose to retrofit your old machine instead of sell it and get a second hand Japanese to retrofit ?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

I build this machine from scratch. If i would buy a new machine i have no guarantee it will be better. In this machine i knew where was the weak link and i improoved it. Finish quality turns out to be amazing. And i saved 100k+

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Just to add. I have been considering buying a new machine centre and skip all the pain of the upgtade. But as i mentioned before. I wasnt sure if the new machine will heve better surface finish

[@perreardmael3971]

There plenty very well build second hand machine to retrofit wiht outdated controller. Even some manufacturer retrofit their own machine to save on casting for customer who dont need new technologie. But i understand you quest of freedom and best quality instead of buying a finish product to a company seeking for profits.

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Thanks for the explanation. I might look it to that once i will need a production machine to make hundreds of parts. It sounds better than buying a brand new one.

[@marcomischiatti4677]

hi Fox, i'm Marco from italy, i've been following you for a long time now. Congratulations for the excellent work. You never talked about the controller you use to drive the axes, what is it? will you change it in the epic upgrade? keep it up!!!

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

I used gecko540. Bit now i switched to uc300 ethernet. Its in episode 1

[@johannescordier7923]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki hey I could be wrong but I think he ment ,u mentioned mach3 more in that direction... Btw I followed you from the start granite expensive here , and I'm a beginner so I started with a bridgeport cnc conversion 99% done . My granite machine is next ... Keep videos flowing .

[@casperjensen4156]

Awesome machine;-)

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

It sure is :D

[@crniboban011]

My favorite CNC engeneear go go Dr.Prof. Fox

[@maximiliankrug1011]

Hey Fox, Really nice and precise work (as ever). I was wondering where you get all your precise granite squares and blocks etc. Thanks and keep up the great work

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

china. it was a battle to get them right. first they sent me those bad ones, and they had to redo it, and finally i got a decent ones, but it took like 2 months. i would recommend to get them on ebay from states. they should be ok.

[@adrianharrison5208]

Amazing! have you lost any working area with the size of the new blocks?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Gained some and lost about 60mm. Working range on z 340mm

[@adrianharrison5208]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki it looks like an amazing build and cannot wait to see it making chips

[@xtevesousa]

If you lossened the plate-to-skid screws, and tightened the plate-grantry, then the angle would show in the holes of the plate-to-skid screws, which are already oversize by design, why didn't you go that way?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

could you please rephrase it ? :) not sure what you mean

[@xtevesousa]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki It's hard to explain without drawing but I'll try :) The side of the gantry was not perfect in the YZ plane, if you attached it to the new corner plate as it was, it would show up as a rotation of the XY plane of the new plate right? It would bind the skids. I'm guessing that you might have enough oversize in the holes of the screws to the skid that it would not matter, after all that's were the skid can be adjusted? The new corner plate vertical face wouldn't be 90º perfect but the gantry to rail would be. The advantage would be not having to break your back removing and replacing the gantry to square the corner. Cheers, and great work!

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Vertical plates of the gantry sides have bolts underneath. Y axis blocks are preventing from accessing them. So i can't rotate them. I guess i could rotate the whole side. Oh well. I was making everything straight and square so when i was addingsomething new and numbers wasnt adding up i knew something was off. At the end it was much easier to debug issues.

[@ati77711123]

Friaday surprise. Me like it ;)

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

me glad :D

[@hotfuzz1913]

May i ask what you make on that beautiful machine

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

of course :D i make a high end prototypes and camera equipment. can't talk about it right now but I hope to share eventually

[@stonebayrocker]

Interesting! Do you have an Web page? Contact info?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

In video description. Web page is slightly out of date by 7 years ;) most of the stuff is nda. So no point updating ;)

[@stonebayrocker]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki okay! i actualy found it after opening my eyes(or video description). What type of work are you doing?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

3d scanners Laser, structural light and photogrametry, film equipment, all sorts of special purpose cameras. Product design, electronics, programming, motion control rigs for movies. Support equipment for horizontal and vertical drilling. List goes on and on..

[@mvognev]

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[@musicstatus3677]

If the weight of the stone becomes more

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

the whole gantry assembly weights 130kg :)

[@daneliberatore4583]

Just received last week a new iso30 3kw atc spindle that looks similar to what you have for my home build. So my question to you Fox, the 100mm spindle bracket doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. Have you thought of using something else? I am contemplating looking for something a more sturdy. www.rovercnc.com/products/100mm-solid-spindle-mount

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

because it looks ugly it doesn't mean is bad :) have some feelings :D as everything bends this clamp doesn't. your z axis would bend way more before you will notice any deflection on this clamp. for this clamp to bend, z axis rails would have to get ripped from the base plate. but aesthetics are important as well :D

[@daneliberatore4583]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki Thank you for the feedback. I really enjoyed watching you put this machine together and the hard work getting everything as accurate as possible. I just received my 3kw iso30 spindle but the document doesn't give me wiring for the four pin connector to the vfd and there is are no markings for U,V,W and ground. How is yours wired on your connector?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

You have 2 ways of checking what pins to use. Multimeter. Only 3 wires are connected to the spindle. One is ground and its not connected. So if you measure any 2 wires and you find some resistance use those. The one without is ground. Other way of checking it to unbolt the connector and look behind. It doesn't matter the order you connect them to uvw. It will spin one way or the other. Of it spins the wrong way just switch places od 2 wires. So for example. UVW to UWV, or UVW to VUW. There is nothing wrong with doing so. You wont damage it. Dont worry.

[@zdenkostanec1622]

\o/ new vid. !

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

how is the build going ? :D

[@zdenkostanec1622]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki CNC is up and running, building P&P machine now :D

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Always something new ;)

[@zdenkostanec1622]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki planning to finish it in 1-2 months, I will share with you some photos of the process :D

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Im really curious ;)

[@Molb0rg]

why not the water - water will do the same and no fumes. water is not a problem until F800-1000. with F600 u mentioned it works no problem, not even mentioning coarser grids. u really made u life harder for no apparent reason, but if u do do it with vodka )))) 17:10 SiC - yeah it too brittle, even if u embed it in something soft it will go in dust quite fast on a granite

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

Agree. I could go with water, but i got so used to alcochols that i forget that there is also a water ;)

[@Molb0rg]

@@PiotrFoxWysocki lol, but yeah, such things do happen. Keep it up, I see people already mentioned in comments be inspired by your approach, so as for me it was an eye-opener reevaluating moment looking at granite more seriously in terms of Diy, so as see another yt guy who was inspired enough as well, to move in his own way to make a similar setup from his grassroots materials. So it's a good project and with a slight precision obsession hope there will be one day to beat the Dan Gelbart with his half diy precision lathe, lol))

[@knteetnk1429]

Hello, have anybody the real name of this part (min 16:54)?

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

www.machineryhouse.co.nz/M243?gclid=CjwKCAiA1eKBBhBZEiwAX3gql9FFmCReBuik66PTy_A_IHZOyP7mzA2OHvZC1_td-G7gJPdnmY0o-xoCYnIQAvD_BwE

[@knteetnk1429]

Thank you Fox👍

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

No problem ;)

[@RikkiSlinger]

Why you speedup all the time in your beautiful video??? Makes it nervous ! And it is good for nothing.

[@PiotrFoxWysocki]

the answer is a bit complicated. if i won't speed it up video would have way over an hour. and it would be terribly boring, for most of the people. thanks to KZbin algorithms and people skipping trough the most of the video, is not recommending the video in search. end result no views. on the other hand i speed up the obvious things, like lapping. or removing bolts etc. or adjusting something. you still can see what i'm doing but it doesn't take for ever to get the idea. i'm not saying that this video is my best edit, but its not that easy to explain things, tell the whole story, please the viewers and KZbin algorithms at the same time

[@RikkiSlinger]

I think it is better just to cut that part and blend it to the next part. And the video is also shorter...Thanks in anyway for the answer... And have an wonderfully day.