Epic Fail? SoD Phase 3 New Class Imbalance! - Sunken Temple Raid

SoDPhase 3 is experiencing heavy changes that will undoubtedly change the way we all complete the Sunken Temple Raid. In this video, we will go over the recent changes, what they mean, and some possible fixes.
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Chapters:
0:00 - 0:51 What's Changing in Phase 3
0:51 - 4:35 Class Buffs Breakdown
4:35 - 6:35 The Rise of Damage Dealers
6:35 - 7:49 Blizzard's Balancing Act: Past vs. Present
7:49 - 9:33 Class Utility vs. Damage
9:33 - 11:05 Long-Term Implications
11:05 - 13:10 How to solve this problem
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[@ichigokurusaki5868]

Gnone kicking skill is over 9000 😅😅

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo thank you lol. i like kicking a lot, the gnomes just happen to be in the way. how do you feel about balancing right now ichigo? is it working out for you?

[@aweisen1]

Jerome is such a fuggin goof ball, that rope and floating pallet bit got me good.

[@NOHITJEROME]

lolll thank you aweisen, appreciate you saying that. hope you are having a good day

[@brandenbrewer7055]

jeromee ur editing skill always amaze me lol great stuff!

[@NOHITJEROME]

thank you a lot branden, appreciate you saying that. what do you think about sod balance right now? is it working out for you?

[@hotlikesauce]

utilizing “effective only in pvp” or “effective only in pve” would save much of this tuning hell.

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmmm hotlikesauce, on paper it's a great idea. guild wars 1 did that and it got confusing real fast. you start seeing patchnotes with 2 sets of changes per skill, you have 2 wowhead entries per ability, logistically it's a mess

[@Bubblehearth015]

Everyone acting like shamans didn't break pvp from the beginning. Spriests and boomkins are hardly the problem

[@1776huckleberry]

​@@Bubblehearth015druids were literally 1 shotting undergeared people with the press of a single button that cost 4 mana. Shamans couldn't hold a candle to that.

[@MadsThorlund]

@@NOHITJEROME that's copium and you know it... lost ark mastered that easily. it's not hard, like at all

[@hotlikesauce]

@@NOHITJEROME honestly, SoD has the stigma of being a “dad” game, so if grown individuals don’t know how to follow or read spell changes, that’s their problem.. at their very grown age. much of SoD is influenced by retail, incursions being a reflection of “assaults” in dragonflight. retail uses the “only in pvp/pve” coding, why can’t SoD? lastly, SoD devs.. are not GW1 devs lol. they’ve done great work in some areas, but much is left to be desired in SoD.

[@danielpina3766]

new NOHITJEROME video! love it man keep it up

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo daniel thanks a lot. what do you think about the problems mentioned in the video? is balancing much of an issue for you or is it not too big of a problem?

[@Ebbnflow]

Hahaha, dude. I love your editing over the last few months - but this one definitely got me laughing. Keep it up!!

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo thanks bro i think you healed me at the mnaradon portal the other day lol. (or maybe it was the other way around.) swear ive been getting griefed there so hard lately, 10+ deaths today

[@Ebbnflow]

@@NOHITJEROME yeah I think I rezzed you, it's a bloodbath there. At least as a druid I've got stealth! GL with the farm

[@matthiasjames6308]

Warrior is only massive damage with all the world buffs and consumes. If you don't have all that hunter and shammy and rogue are much more damage. I disagree with calling for "nurf"/normalize rage for what is already one of the worst classes to level and one of the weaker classes without buffs. Yes if you have all the other buffing classes (feral druid, shammy and rogue and hunter) then yes a Warrior can do well but that should be "okay". Also people who look at parses often forget that Warriors who are top parses are blowing a 30 min cd to get it so their damage on the other boses isn't as high. Show me a log with a Warrior parsing 99% for all bosses at the end of any phase. It just isn't possible, while a shammy or hunter or mage can do this. Warriors arnt top damage done for over all damage. Last I looked it was two mages and a lot of hunters holding these spots. We will see what lvl 60 runes give us but any class could easily beat out Warrior. For example if mages had a way to regen mana on a faster CD. They could blow everyone out of the water in damage done. I have 5 lvl 50s who raid and leveling the Warriors was the worst by far when solo, the trade off is they scale well if their stars align. If people want to min max to the nth degree there will always be a "best class" remember shammy phase 2? Rage normalization will ruin the reason most people enjoy warrior. There is not a set rotation, if rage is normalized there will likely be just as boring a time playing warrior as most of the other classes. Rogues getting combo points from others made their class have some variety until it was infinite combo points in a Would buffed out raid and then their rotation is boring again. There can be a balance, hoping blizzard keeps trying to find it.

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's true that warriors rely entirely on WBs right now, to be fair high end guilds are starting to clear the raid without wipes, though it could still take a few more weeks for most guilds to get to that point. hunters/sham/rogue are all extremely strong too and are part of the problem, I don't want to single out warriors. it's also definitely true that warriors are cd reliant and it's misleading for parses. it's more likely in an average group to see a hunter topping the meters right now or a rogue. BUT there are also a lot of speedruns and parse runs starting to stack warriors. that way they can choose which fights to use CDs on and really just obliterate the parsing system entirely. Maybe the true villain is wracraftlogs.. as for level 60 runes, I think there's still a lot of potential to add variety and interest beyond..please god no..more flat damage runes for war. i also think encounter design could be the best fix for any balance issues. after all like you said, if warriors get nerfed players will just move to rogue etc

[@richardstone4515]

Your take is bad imo but I respect your opinion. You sacrifice so many qualify of life things so you can do more damage in raid. Raid isn’t all of wow. Wc logs are inflated. Make a warrior, main a warrior, and come back and tell the community how it feels to play warrior. You can’t normalize rage with warrior without totally breaking the class. The closest thing they’ve done to normalize warrior is the new arms spec. Hunters literally have it all. Great raid dps, great at pvp, amazing quality of life.

[@BiGGyCLD]

@@NOHITJEROME im so glad someone with an actual IQ put you in your place. The dumb ass developers for SoD keep listening to all these fucking youtubers for feedback and is beyond stupid. Jerome you have such a heavy bias that you shouldn't honestly provide feedback or strats for this game. I've seen you on other podcast shit on paladins all phase 1 calling them broken when they were in a good spot. Two phases go by and no one wants to talk about shamans because everyone is playing one, including the devs. People are quitting SoD now for a reason and its because of piss poor development. This season started off amazing and now we have all these wannabe streamers / youtubers crying about classes that aren't even OP , they just suck and can't beat them even when they play a broken class. Now you want warriors to be nerfd? bro they are by far the worst in PvP and only acceptable in raids because they stack well with world buffs / gear . You and Sarthe are a fucking joke and shitty gamers. The only thing that needs to happen right now is a shaman nerf.

[@kimandreskogstrand5004]

If a class is either in a state of being underpowered(without WB's), or completely broken(with WB's), then it is obviously something wrong with the design. I don't give a fuck _why_ a Warrior beat me by 30%, because if I did my job perfectly, he shouldn't, the _why_ part is irrelevant. The ideal solution should be to make warriors stronger on the low end but weaker at the high end, and normalizing rage seems to be a pretty decent way of doing that imo. *It's very important to remember that 80% of Warrior players NEVER reaches this end game OP state, and thus will always be stuck with the underpowered version.* So having the OP end game state as a counter balance to the early game UP warriors is a terrible way of balancing it, because it's not a transition most players will make.

[@pryraslounge3078]

i freakin love these videos you make the way you do lol i am laughing so hard through it

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks so much pyraslounge. really happy to hear that. i need some laughs myself after getting farmed at the maradon portal all night..

[@Kivrus]

love editing :D thx for the video!

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks a lot kivrus, that means a lot. I assume you are maining hunter - what do you think about the recent hunter buffs? they feel amazing for me, but they might be too strong

[@Kivrus]

@@NOHITJEROMEyep, maiming MM hunter from phase1. So I really like how ranged hunter looks in this phase. And new buffs just added more fun to the gameplay - for pve we now have nice rotation and finally I can see myself topping the meters. So yeah, damage, CC - really cool. I can see that it might be OP in PvP but it is only until rogue/enh will get to you in melee. And world farming is insane - I like to solo High Chief Winterfall, thx for you previous video :D

[@brandonvickers2860]

Ok. The editing in the intro to this video was awesome. Easily Worth a sub and a thumbs up

[@NOHITJEROME]

Thanks a lot brandon, I really appreciate you saying that. as for the video itself - what do you think about class balancing in p3? has it been much of a problem for you so far?

[@offbeatpally]

holy CRAP what a video. Amazing job bro.

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks a LOT offbeat hope your weekend is going really well

[@zlatkoforic]

I am just enjoying your videos mate! :)

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks a lot zlatko, that means a lot to me. how are you feeling in phase 3 right now? are you experiencing any of these balance issues or are they not too big of a deal?

[@zlatkoforic]

@@NOHITJEROME Yeah, i am sitting at the bench with my boomie atm, only content i do is farming gold and pvp, and only raid when they need me to heal :) Btw i hvnt missed any videos yet :) keep it with the fantastic work.

[@yildizyusuf]

Bro the amount of effort you put in these videos are insaneee Keep it up

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks a lot yildizusuf, i really appreciate you saying that. how do you feel about the balance issues right now? are they minor to you or are they causing any problems?

[@yildizyusuf]

@@NOHITJEROME paladin changes are great in my opinion as ally. Boomkin buffs are a bit meh I main boomie and it is not fun to play right now for PvE Andys

[@LemonEatingKow]

Good video, mate!

[@NOHITJEROME]

thank you lemoneatingkow, first of all i would like to see a cow eat a lemon, would pay money to see that. second of all i'm curious if you are being affected much by these balancing changes. how has p3 felt for you balance wise?

[@EnvironNA]

This aura is a joke, makes anyone that can heal Sooooooo strong

[@NOHITJEROME]

the 50% damage reduction? yeah that's going to get changed for sure. maybe 20-30%? feels like 50% is way too much lol

[@Napster404]

Yeah and the worst pvp class (warrior) even worse..

[@sciencethygod]

Hunters and rogues still hit like trucks though, and hurt casters who already deal with classic pushback it's even worse, cause when they do get a cast off it does nothing.

[@99smacks81]

I love the current DR at 50%

[@EnvironNA]

@@99smacks81 nah. As a hunter anyone who can heal I have 0 chance against atm. It's always been burst before they heal as hunter and now we cant

[@Tw0_Shanez]

Love the content ! Saw you on Crusader Strike the other day haha

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo thanks shanez i hope you were horde, i feel like you must be because otherwise i would have a negative reaction seeing your name

[@Maxvla]

Blizzard needs to actually use armor as a tuning knob. They showed us what was possible in Phase 2, but they used bad armor amounts, normal on the first 2 bosses and extreme on the final 4 bosses. Overall the dps was fairly balanced but individual bosses were wildly unbalanced. If they smartly tune armor all these overperforming melee will come into balance with the casters. Rage normalization is a bad idea. Classic is not designed for it.

[@NOHITJEROME]

fully agree maxvla. armor should be the tuning knob. gnomeregan had so many good ideas that were not 100% fully cooked but I think they should be brought back. to me it'd be as simple as making a few bosses melee favored (lower armor) and a few bosses caster favored (higher armor) and all of a sudden you'd have pretty good class diversity. As for rage normalization, the feedback I've seen seems to agree with what you are saying. it just wouldn't feel like classic.

[@MeowwKing]

Dunno, that opens the door to even more class stacking shenanigans, either boss by boss or something dumb like having majority dps be druid/shaman and swap specs between phys/spell. Kinda sounds cool actually

[@chrissumner5745]

Big grats on the dagger!!

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo thanks chris it feels goood my friend hope you are having a good day. 53 painful runs later lol

[@Matt-Edwards-MEdia]

Great video as usual mate, its amazing to see them acknowledge pvp! They actually care!

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks a lot marshalstockton, appreciate you watching. do you mean the recent 50% damage nerf change? most players are feeling like that is too much, I feel like they'll cut it down to 20-25% and it'll feel a lot better

[@Matt-Edwards-MEdia]

@@NOHITJEROME definitely, that would feel perfect

[@Campbells0up]

saying boomkins are middle of the pack when theyre bottom 3 is great I love that

[@NOHITJEROME]

even post-buff? filter all the old parses out, they do get 10% more damage and it's better than the spriest buff, it works like dmf

[@Westerdahl]

what are you talking about? They dot you and run away and then you die. They are so OP it is rediculus.

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

​@Westerdahl obviously they are talking pve and you are talking pvp, 2 different things bruh.

[@Campbells0up]

@@NOHITJEROME Yeah even after post buff the disparity in classes is pretty large, the group of ele spriest and boomkin all bottom 3, I guess this coming Tuesday will be better to see on wcl

[@Campbells0up]

This is specifically in regards to pve btw, boomkin is fine I’m pvp maybe a tad strong lol

[@faksen9619]

Legit the funniest guy in the community. Keep it coming man! love the stuff 👍

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo thanks so much faksen hope you are having a good day. cata prepatch or skipping it?

[@faksen9619]

@@NOHITJEROME nah i wont be playing cata. I am coping for fresh era soon and too deep in SoD atm 🫠

[@ToHonorKnowledge]

Ngl the high kicks were kinda impressive

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks you tohonorknowledge, I appreciate that. will try to kick higher in the next video. what do you think about the balancing in p3 right now?

[@ToHonorKnowledge]

@@NOHITJEROME well, I play a dps warlock, Lake of Fire nerf really hurt us, and ironically if they undid that change (like they did with ranged hunters explosive and chimera shots) warlocks wouldn’t be looking at too many issues. I’d like to say I raid at a high-ish lvl (I’m not a logs nerd so idk how to like dissect every aspect of a fight) Rularuu Wild Growth US. And the only complaint I have over all is the raid is a joke too soon. Like AQ40 eventually became a joke but day 1 it was a nightmare (in a good way) and I think they’ve lost that pacing

[@remyd8767]

The issue is raid wide buffs. Make everything group based and you will start to need multiple druids and hunters for buffs.

[@NOHITJEROME]

i love that take, group wide buffs make the most sense. giving everyone something they can bring to the table, rewarding class diversity, but not making it so you need 1 of every single spec in the game.

[@glenbogger1873]

Another good one Jerome 👍

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks glen, appreciate you saying that. just got done getting chain ganked at the maradon portall all night lol. hope your night has been going better

[@Nonentity33]

Loved the raid suggestions making all classes needed in their own way

[@NOHITJEROME]

everyone plays a role during progression and when the raids are hard. it feels like a shame that when the raids are easier all the support gets thrown away and replaced with maximum damage. it's not even a warrior issue, it's just a classic problem. the issue now is giving everyone something to bring to the table without it feeling too bad if you miss out on a class. ie wrath where the raid feels much worse missing a key debuff

[@nonneponne]

Normalize warrior rage gain and most warriors will quit. the whole class will feel different and bad

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah I'm seeing that response constantly,. nobody wants rage normalization. was it added in a retail expansion? i don't remember any complaints in wrath or tbc about it

[@wholawl]

I'm here to see gnomes flying.

[@NOHITJEROME]

i'm glad you were able to see the gnomes flying. hopefully they can fly straight back to their inns where they can log out and stop ganking me at the maradon portal

[@taarruz89]

your edits are best! blizz give us barbershop in SoD!

[@NOHITJEROME]

lol thank you taarruz. would like to see the barbershop as well. i have a lot of regrets with my character and am forced to show my helmet which is a pvp disadvantage

[@seaththethicboi6266]

Warrior rotation feels awful too, fuck consumed by rage, and fuck stance dancing Don’t even attempt to play fury unless you have full WB and consumes.

[@NOHITJEROME]

that's true you need full WB and consumes. on my hunter i did manage a run this week where I didn't lose wbs at least. feels like that will be more common in the future. though warriors are far harder to keep buffs on than ranged hunters

[@Shawn-eb9wo]

You are missing the biggest reason people aren’t class stacking. Loot distribution, we get way less loot in ST than we did in gnomes. I see pugs and almost every recruiting guild building for loot distribution not max dps.

[@NOHITJEROME]

that's a fair point shawn, my understanding is that 100% of a longtime group should have acquired tier by now if it's getting given out fairly each week. might be off on that math though. loot distribution is definitely a factor I didn't fully consider. but once players do get more gear in the next weeks the problems are going to start to become more prevalent imo

[@richderk]

My main is a Warrior, been grinding hard since phase 1. It felt like warriors always lost 1v1s and only felt good with team mates in PvP. We were told "dont worry how bad your class is now, you scale late game". now that the late game is practically here and the scaling is working, i dont think its fair to nerf warriros after 1 month of S tier, when it felt like our class was the worst for months and months before.

[@NOHITJEROME]

fair point richderk, you had to deal with a very rough p2. but man warriors are ALREADY the kings in p3 and in p4 it just feels like things are only going to get more intense. and a lot of people would argue the endgame matters a lot more than say..p2 gnomeregan

[@Davidhenry1210]

This ye not s tier warrior yet. That comes at level 60 pre bid and beyond. Warrior has always been shit alone in Wpvp due to the simple hit and get hit nature of the class.

[@zdubzz1280]

Good points Jerome. I think they should add some mechanics to raid fights like hodir in wotlk that made casters blast. That seems like a better idea than doing absurd armor increases.

[@NOHITJEROME]

really love the idea zdubzz, hodir was a really nice damage check that meant your raid needed a few casters, they got to blast and have something to look forward to each raid. i always was so excited to blast on hodir. wouldn't take much to encourage variety and discourage 14 war comps

[@Fatesmaster]

Okay here is the issue. They wanted to make everyone as strong as warriors but they also buffed warriors so they have to super buff everyone else. This makes no sense. There were plenting of things they could have changed for warrior to make the class more interesting with runes while also not buffing their base game damage. So now were in a situation where everyone is doing more than nax level dps at level 50. The game was never made for this kind of damage and it really shows. It honestly makes me wonder if blizzard actually thought any of this through even on a basic level. Also the game design of classic will always lend itself to class stacking. When boss fights are so easy a potato could handle them there is never a reason to diversify. Everyone is upset about warriors but warriors aren't the issue. You can and always will have a class that is top, this is true in retail but they don't have this problem. Easy raids are the problem here. You need boss mechanics and functions that force diverse raid comps while also having reasonable dps balance. Blizzard is doing neither of these things. So you have to ask yourself, do you want classic style easy boss zug zug, or do you want a diverse class stack?

[@NOHITJEROME]

Hi fatesmaster, I completely agree with your points. They buffed everyone to keep pace with war but then they buffed war so now they are overbuffing everyone even more. So now you get things like shamans/paladins generating infinite mana for the raid to try to entice people to bring more class diversity. I don't know if the endgame was fully thought out, it does seem like a herculean task to have planned all of this perfectly from the beginning. Might be a case where the train tracks are being built as the train is coming. As for your class stacking points, you are right that warriors aren't the issue. The easy raid point is exactly what I wanted to say in my original edit, the problem is: people don't really like hard raids. So you have to somehow keep the raids "easy" while also rewarding support roles. That's where fights like atalai defenders feel like the model. It's not at all impossible to clear that boss without hunters/priests, but they make it a far more enjoyable experience. I think we all want classic style zug zug. We just want to not feel completely irrelevant after the first week of progression. I shouldn't have to abandon any alt that isn't a warrior, hunter or shaman right now

[@Fatesmaster]

​@@NOHITJEROME Very true on all counts. And my guild and I also want classic zug raids. We are mostly made up of mythic raiders that have been playing together for many years now. So we cleared ST after the first round of nerfs and were only inside for about 4 hours ish that first week. We play classic for the zug not challenge. But if we don't want stacking of whatever class is best there needs to be a reason to have multiples of every class in the raid especially in 40 man. A big part of that issue is giving utility and damage to everyone. I'm maining a shaman currently enhance, and when I started sod in phase 1 I was expecting them to make the class function for enhance but that I would still be there mostly for buffs. I never expected nor wanted to be near the top when I picked shaman, I new what I was getting into. Or at least I thought I did. I did not expect them to copy paste the current retail enhance dps rotation into SoD, cause thats all they did, and then they gave us sham rage. Classes shouldn't be given buffs from other classes like hunters with kings and druids with Wind fury. Each class needs to bring a unique buff or set of buffs that then buffs others. Like class X bufs class y and class y buffs class z and class z buffs class x. This should be contained within groups to. As few raid wide buffs as possible. creating natural synergy inside groups. This way warrios can still do 3k dps but only if they have the right group and you would only want 1 warrior per group. Casters and healers would need similar setups and same with the tank group. Its hard but making a good game is never easy.

[@Dennymcintyre536]

Do we really need to fix the problem. Is it really a problem if after they have 1 or 2 of the utility classes, the 1% fill their raid with warriors. Most guilds won't do that and will bring a mix of dps classes as long as they somewhat compete.

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's true for now bluemeanie. let's see in p4 though, warriors may completely take over, look out

[@Dennymcintyre536]

Oh yeah, hopefully, they won't let that happen. What I was trying to say was a long as they compete on, say a 95th percentile, I think it's fine. Also, utility classes should be fine with not being top of the meters. They just need to make sure what they bring is more valuable than another dps

[@TaehunGrammar]

How come you mentioned priest & boomkins’ position in the logs but not ele shamans

[@NOHITJEROME]

ele sham has already been confirmed to be getting buffed soon, wanted it to stay timely. they nerf mental dexterity for ele and promise new buffs in return. ranged ele shall rise again

[@maximilienheitz9316]

Warriors have been complaining about this since launch. What did blizzard think when they gave only stacking %dmg runes to warrior. We asked for fun or utility runes instead but again in p3 we got 10% crit dmg runes and every other rune was trash.

[@NOHITJEROME]

ya my priest gets 2 new pets..new cool abiltiies liike voidzone and mindsear. you guys really got screwed just getting pure dps runes because your rotation isn't that different and now you are just the poster child for classes doing too much damage lol

[@badmelonfarmer4896]

So are they going to re-tune the raids now that everyone is getting major buffs?

[@NOHITJEROME]

doesn't seem like they will retune the raids badmelon. that's the point - without retuning there is no reason to bring anything other than more damage in the end. at least that's the theory

[@jasonmorgan27]

For a guy named Nohit Jerome, that was alot of beatdowns.

[@NOHITJEROME]

hahha I love that jason. in the end the only beatdowns i've been taking are the ones outside of the maradon portal..ahhh 8 deaths in a row today

[@glitchmodulator2313]

Why not just give specs utility that is too hard to pass up. The whole mana thing with shamans and paladins is a little much, but there's a bunch of ways you could give specs utility that actually makes up for damage. You could have windfury grant you an extra swing on top of the ones it gives. Just think of unique buffs/debuffs that inc damage in different ways and give the them to a bunch of classes.

[@NOHITJEROME]

agreed, there should be utility that is individual or party wide that makes it hard to pass up certain specs and classes. right now there isn't really a point in bringing say a second rogue or priest because you already have all the utility covered. at least that's how it feels to me glitchmodulator

[@jacoblunchbox9499]

another banger video

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks a lot jacob, I appreciate it. what do you think about the game balance state right now?

[@RandomTXDude210]

Hey! We are NOT talking about the stealth boomie dps buff! Blizz will take it away if people notice!

[@NOHITJEROME]

was there ANOTHER boomkin buff that i didnt know about?

[@mathsublime]

Great Kicks

[@mathsublime]

and editing makes a difference, great vid as always

[@NOHITJEROME]

ty math will work on them. need them higher and faster. have you touched the cata prepatch much yet? or are you focusing on sod

[@NOHITJEROME]

will keep it going ty again mathsublime

[@tjfrasca]

I wonder if a cap was set on how many of one class was allowed in a raid would help. With how video games are today even if classes were very well balance I feel the class that does 5-10% more than average would still be stacked.

[@NOHITJEROME]

i like the creative solution. something needs to be done, everyone seems to agree it shouldn't be rage normalization. running out of ideas over here lol

[@pb34r46]

If you have a tight knit guild and they drop you because you’re not a melee hunter or warrior then that sounds like a shitty group of people

[@NOHITJEROME]

pb34r you are not wrong, but it happened in the guild i'm in, and i've seen it happen in other guilds. if you are in a parse or speedrun guild, they demand optimal raid comps. hell even my priest will probably be benched eventually. top speedruns are double shaman healer for some reason

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

@@NOHITJEROME my guess is shamanisitc rage mana batteries. less time drinking between pulls/no time drinking.

[@pb34r46]

@@NOHITJEROME good luck man. I guess everyone goes for a different vibe when they play!

[@vcsfxmedia]

Awesome wow model viewer work, you are ready to make a full machinima movie

[@NOHITJEROME]

thank you vcsfxmedia, we should make that movie someday. it will be longer than the hobbit trilogy. 10 hours straight of wow machinima

[@user-ur1mr7yx6d]

Like you said I think they should design encounters in the raids in a way that variety of classes will be needed. Half of the encounters should be melee friendly and half ranged friendly. Then we should have small things which will just make classes useful.

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's a really good point 田中太郎 - it's not about making razuvius fights where the raid is almost impossible without say 6 boomkins. it's about making the raid easier overall IF you bring a variety of classes. because right now the raid is just not easier bringing a variety of classes. it's easier with class stacking

[@DeadMenTellNoTales69]

Great Video Brotha.. I like the Longer Format keep it upp... Bottoms up Smoke em if You Got em

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks a lot deadmen, appreciate you saying that. i dont have anything to smoke but i can crush this coffee real quick lol. as for the video, how do you feel about the balancing in sod so far? has it been a noticeable issue for you or not a big deal?

[@Highlaw]

Micro-managing individual abilities and runes seems like such a headache. I don't understand why in SoD, where they have the excuse to change anything, don't they simply change stat scaling, which is like 80% of the actual rot beneath most issues?

[@NOHITJEROME]

hi highlaw, it's definitely a problem that all the runes are being balanced but the core problems ie warrior scaling are going to cause problems regardless of runes. i suppose the best lever to pull is the boss encounters themselves at this point. ie armor values on bosses

[@JackDTank]

As a warrior main since 2005 I don't like the idea of rage normalization, However I understand the call for it.

[@NOHITJEROME]

seems really to be getting negative responses from all wars. i don't think they'll do it now

[@alexd2249]

I would rather we have less group buffs rather than more. Those group buffs are the only way to guarantee certain classes get brought in sweaty guilds, but in our guild, it just makes my life harder to make sure everyone has the appropriate buffs. Windfury is awesome, but now all melee need to have it. Then they add melee hunter, so those limited spots were in even greater competition. I prefer there to be less group buffs.

[@NOHITJEROME]

The group buffs are definitely a WOTLK style design and I don't like the idea of needing 1 of every spec just to complete the raid. But how do you ensure that there is diversity in classes being brought to the raid? If there aren't necessary buffs and debuffs, how do you stop there from being 14 warriors in a speedrun/parse run?

[@alexd2249]

@@NOHITJEROMEdefinitely don’t have a great answer. I personally would say that less group buffs and class balancing around PvE is all SoD devs should worry about. My concern with group buffs is that making raids will become too difficult. Guilds are already folding because coordinating 20 people is too difficult, relative to 10 mans. This trend will continue each time raid size increases. I think blizzard knows that the core of wow is guilds, but they sometimes focus too much on individual experience and not enough on group. There are plenty of groups of people where 1-2 people do the lion share of the organizing and raid prep. The harder it is to do that organizing and raid prep, the more likely those people are to quit. If those 1-2 people quit, the other 18 will likely quit. So while individual grumblings might cause a singular person to quit, making raids harder to put together will make entire groups of people quit.

[@championofancestor]

All gnomes were harmed in the making of this video

[@NOHITJEROME]

and more will be harmed in the future. that's a promise :D

[@angelmusicvideos]

Balance for balance to be fixed it must first be messured and we or the gammers has been pumping and logs are showing and so blizzard sees our progress and is doing there all to balance the damage but damage will always creep up to surprise all of us. This video was a refresher to what was and will eventually be something we all look back at in memory of all of our collaboration to one day come to the end to what can be close to what balance stands for but were still pumping and finding ways to break the game. I have hope in numbers and logs and in blizzard seeing the logs and keep tweeking the math to one day come at a end point where every class feels so dam good to play.

[@NOHITJEROME]

Hi angelmusicvideos, you are right that we need more data, blizzard should wait and not overreact and panic nerf warriors. But in fairness you play a tank shaman. Blizzard overturned them and nerfed them really fast. Don’t you think it’s fair to do the same to warriors?

[@MeowwKing]

Dual spec breaks some of your suggestions, like a raid with half melee/half range focus, hunters,druids,shamans just instantly become dps meta for sweaty guilds because they can swap between melee/range specs with 1 talent swap and 1 item rack macro, especially if they make pvp/faction sets bis again

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's why dual spec is kind of a problem, i wished the dual spec implementation only worked in capital cities. would fix a lot of problems

[@mattd582]

Having to check the box on every class's buff is just as annoying as class stacking. The best they can do is try to normalize damage, implement different damage profiles on classes and structure the raids so one class won't be king on most fights.

[@NOHITJEROME]

that's true matt, i didn't want to advocate for that too hard. wotlk is annoying in some ways due to the feeling of box checking for raid comps. (though I did enjoy wrath) I think all your solutions make sense. structuring the raid so everyone contributes something seems like a winning idea

[@mattd582]

@@NOHITJEROME Thanks for the reply Jerome, I appreciate you coming up with nuanced and unique ideas to promote raid comp flexibility. I am hoping at 60 that the tier sets will help promote class diversity. You won't want to miss out on a rogue and let that tier piece go to waste, but at the same time the hard core guilds will still class stack for speed runs and parsing but that is a trade off they will have to make.

[@optimusd3854]

This entire phase is just a gold grind since my class only got an increase of about 200dps when a few others got 1500 dps, very poor and not worth my time.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeahhhh that happened to casters. it does feel bad having to get sandstorm/decay on a non warrior/rogue/shaman imo. on hunter it seems like a really small dps increase to get decay but i believe i have to get it lol

[@stranger6822]

Really liked your take on class utility versus damage, and I think this is spot-on. We've seen the same situation emerge in every iteration of Classic so far game - cover your necessary debuffs, then fill the rest of your slots with the most powerful classes. The result of that is that the most powerful classes are overplayed, and anyone not playing those classes will have a harder time finding a raiding guild. - Vanilla: warriors - TBC: hunters, warlocks, and especially shamans for b/h - WotlK: unholy DKs, then eventually mage stacking in ICC due to how much time they can shave off of H LK The same has been even more true of tanks. TBC saw serious guilds using a paladin and feral tank. WotLK was all paladins and, later, blood DKs. It's not that ferals and warriors couldn't do the content, but that they had major disadvantages comparatively. The DPS disparity isn't as much of an issue in 10-mans, but the tank disparity is, in my opinion, even worse when there are fewer raid cooldowns to supplement the tank's own cooldowns. And I've no doubt we'll see an explosion of UH DKs, Arms warriors, and Blood DK tanks in Cata for those same reasons.

[@NOHITJEROME]

hi stranger, appreciate you saying this. it's a fundamental design flaw with classic, though some players wouldn't consider it a flaw. the problem is really noticeable when the class has a boring or overpowered rotation, TBC warlock comes to mind. the thing is..wrath tried to fix the problem by sort of mandating certain classes for buffs/debuffs. but I don't feel like that's the ideal solution, having to look for an enhance shaman for example for 2 hours while the rest of your raid is sitting there. the best solution is to use the encounters to balance classes, like having a thermaplugg style fight to go with a dragon cleave (warrior) fight

[@EarthShockTV]

Class would be more fun if my math teacher kicked gnomes lol.

[@NOHITJEROME]

all math teachers in the future spend their entire class kicking gnomes. math proficiency scores skyrocket and america becomes the math capital of the world

[@DanielMoore3d]

One of the unintended consequences of extremely fast leveling seems to be people jumping on the bandwagon for the top dps classes. Our raid used to be varied, but now we have majority hunters, warriors, and shamans. Our mages all jumped ship. On the topic of rage normalization, i'd rather not see it. I'd rather see others brought up to their level somewhat, even if they are slightly behind.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo that's something I hadn't considered daniel. by making leveling way easier you now have 1) an excuse from blizzard "it's so easy to level..if your class isn't being brought just reroll" and 2) way more players leveling flavor of the month classes (or even just converting them from alts into mains) as for rage normalization, I agree, it's just anti-classic. I think they can just go the thermaplugg route and have some fights (not all..) in each new raid reward ranged dps too

[@davidinman6020]

Hopefully the final product will be a fun, fairly balanced experience.

[@NOHITJEROME]

we will see david. phase 4 will be absolutely fascinating. i know i'm leveling a warrior just to be safe lol

[@Justjustinp]

I personally prefer the 20 mans. Because, while the top 1% guilds are class stacking, the other 99% aren’t. So it makes it easier for the average player of any class to be able to be fit into a run. Though I do agree they should incentivize diversity for everyone. And I like your suggestions.

[@NOHITJEROME]

Hi Justin, thanks for your take. You have been very pro-guild and community. Do you think 20 man’s are better for longtime guilds? To me 20 man means a lot of benched guildies. But I’ve never had much success filling 40s so it’s a hard problem to solve

[@knarf427]

Nice vid

[@NOHITJEROME]

thanks knarf, I appreciate that. how are you holding up in p3 at the moment? is the balancing working out for you? i just got ganked 8 times getting into maradon lol

[@knarf427]

@@NOHITJEROME phase 3 is fun and more stuff to do compared to phase 2. But I think they have just secretly buffed the last 2 bosses for ST ;') failed at pug damn

[@Mokz121]

They already said they were going to address all mana regen abilities next phase.

[@NOHITJEROME]

did they say that? really curious about their official statement

[@DrPluton]

I'm kind of glad I bailed on SoD before it became World of WarriorCraft again.

[@NOHITJEROME]

well maybe p4 will be world of warlockcraft. never know what will happen with the balancing now lol

[@lukeemling4388]

As long as there are world buffs warriors are going to be OP.

[@NOHITJEROME]

that's true luke. they did try no buffs in season of mastery and that didn't work out great either. i suppose future WBs will have to be more caster-oriented. but then that just means more power creep. do you think WBs are a problem or just a symptom of something bigger?

[@lukeemling4388]

@@NOHITJEROME WB make it impossible to balance nearly anything in pve because it's literally playing two diff games with them or without them. The current ones and the expected level 60 ones all push the scaling classes through the roof with power and leave the less scaling classes even further behind. Higher armor values maybe helps?

[@easycake3251]

Is it just me, or did you go over the Paladin mana return twice xD

[@NOHITJEROME]

its possible, the fact that they give so much mana back fills me with a rage that must be repeated many times in each video

[@WesMiller303]

Ele and Resto shamans: you guys are getting buffs?

[@NOHITJEROME]

ele is getting more buffs. they basically changed mental dexterity so now you don't have to play MELEE ELE SHAMAN (spellhance? i guess?) but ele shaman still sucks so they are getting more buffs in a week or two

[@Vegetsu101]

​@@NOHITJEROME Shaman tanks are now pretty much unviable, and both of the caster specs are weak. Also they disabled fun specs like 21/20 Spellhance & 2h due to changes with Mental Dexterity.

[@LuxverosGaming]

Lmao this editing is hilarious

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo thanks luxveros, appreciate that. doing any cata prepatch or skipping it?

[@LuxverosGaming]

@@NOHITJEROME yeah doing some archeology right now! Hoping they can get the bug fixes done quick

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@LuxverosGaming for archaeology do you have a strategy? survey to 125 then craft? trying to figure out when i need to go to tbc/wrath

[@LuxverosGaming]

@@NOHITJEROME I don't totally understand what to do or what's best but currently I am trying to stockpile all the fragments to 200 and than was gonna start crafting and try to keep them as close to cap as possible without wasting any dig-sites. So far I stopped getting skill ups at 50 for Surveying. Not really sure what is best though because I haven't done it sense OG Cata

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@LuxverosGaming your strat is what i plan to do as well, just going to stockpile first. i feel like it's really gonna slow down for me when i stop getting skill ups from digsites and i'm not looking forward to it. all i know is that i want zinrokh and getting it in the prepatch feels mandatory.

[@HelloJTello]

I know this is a day or two late of my comments but I been in the trenches this past week during PVP Jerome. The 1x thing I will say since I represent the brotherhood of light for the Paladins ☀ on my end, along with my community. Ret's over the week with the Aura debuff felt pretty bad. I also compared the mana returns online from Shamans-Paladins, and our rates were down as low as 11-13 mana back from a Paladin from SoM on a low end. Ret's also within PVP after 2x days of doing Arathi Basin with multiple L's 😆our damage felt like most people are saying, "a wet noodle". I think Reck spec and Shockadin was better but not by a massive way. Most classes in the bg's felt like mini raid bosses with endless healing. I do like that warriors felt good though from the feedback I saw. Overall, I just wanted to leave my 2 cents here fam, much luv and great video 🔒

[@NOHITJEROME]

well you play it and i just look at it (as i'm horde) so I have to listen. the pvp nerf ret got unnecessarily due to the damage reduction was an amazing example of why i don't want to be a game dev lol. unintended consequences. as for raiding man from over here it feels like you just get infinite mana. i just hate shamans by comparison and that's having 4-5 of them in every raid. as for shockadin, there's nothing worse on this earth than trying to play that spec vs tanky / resilient classes taking 50% reduced damage. tbc shockadin week one? most fun spec in the game. by the end of sunwell? miserable

[@Naeinsengimnida]

If this iteration of WoW is seasonal as in the title "SoD" it's ok, next season will be better considering all the data they accumulated Project Epoch seems to have found a good formula even proposing Contracts to level with an XP debuff to get better rewards for the most patient players at 60. They really should consider and soak what this private server is doing.

[@NOHITJEROME]

definitely a "next season can only get better" situation. curious about the project epoch comparison. so you can choose modifiers to your gameplay to alter rewards at max level? that feels like it would really open up alt gameplay. like sure I'll rush my main to 60. but then being rewarded for taking subsequent alts a lot slower would be awesome

[@Naeinsengimnida]

@@NOHITJEROME kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3eycoRqjMiVo8ksi=IG2CHhAuLmhGj1j0

[@djenzskithemanszki1181]

Absolute horrible idea. Here we go again.

[@magnum862000]

Just make a loot buff based on class diversity. 25% more loot if you bring ____ of each class

[@NOHITJEROME]

love that idea magnum. might get too much negative outcry though. maybe they just can design the loot around rewarding many classes

[@pickupsticks3942]

There is no issue with warriors being majority of your raids DPS and the most popular class in classic because it brought significantly more benefits than negatives. - More tanks while leveling - Second, third, fourth person on threat being a warrior during a raid means the boss turns around and hits someone they live, can put a shield on and start tanking instead of it being a caster and the boss running to Narnia potentially causing positioning issues - More people using Rage or Energy in your raid makes your raid go faster by default even in normal guilds - Highly rewarding playstyle, few classes in WoW classic or MMOs of the era this games client was made actually scale with skill like a warrior does

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo pickupsticks, I definitely should factor in the fact that there are barely any tanks in classic historically and it's great to have more of the. and there really is nothing cooler in wow than having a near wipe but your blasting fury warrior put on a shield to save the raid. but the last 2 points - those are the problems. rage/energy based classes being the meta means bringing mana users actually hurts your clear speed and makes everyone have a worse experience. and the scaling of warriors means everyone else feels terrible getting +10 caster damage while warriors get 50-100 dps increases with some gear

[@pickupsticks3942]

@@NOHITJEROME They just need more mana battery options, a naxx geared mage in classic could do some serious damage but had to hold back because of mana and imo damage for SoD should of always been based around what a warrior could do in classic but no higher, going higher is causing the pvp issues

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@pickupsticks3942 yeah the idea should have been to keep warrior the same (while adding some fan favorite abilities ie war banner) and then buff everyone else in interesting ways that keep class identity mostly intact. seems things have gone too far

[@Tareyak]

Just want to remind people that bosses have only been 2 levels higher, meaning tanks have not had to deal with crushing blows which is why you have been seeing so many 'top tank parses' with 2hs, expect the damage to ramp up significantly by the time we are in BWL

[@NOHITJEROME]

hi tareyak, first of all long time always love seeing you. great point on bosses being 2 levels higher. do you think that crushing blows will matter that much with the new overpowered tanks like shamans? it feels like blizz would have to re-tune the bosses entirely if they want tanking to be a challenge again. random note: war tank in glad stance = a preview of the future? they can actually die and it feels amazing to actually heal a tank with a chance of dying.

[@Maxvla]

Also casters will be dealing with 17% miss rate compared to 6% currently so expect the melee and caster divide to widen. To add to that punishment, melee will be getting free weapon skill to reduce the glancing penalty, while casters will still have to deal with partial resistances we can't do anything about. If nothing is changed, prepare for melee to be doing 2x caster damage in phase 4.

[@Tareyak]

@@NOHITJEROME Always a pleasure been busy with life recently but love seeing how awesome your videos have become :D In terms of the tank damage, having Crushing Blows adds in random/spikey damage to every boss fight. A perfect example of this is any endgame boss fight that is a dragon. They typically will always have 2 abilites; 1) A Thrash Ability - Boss Triple attacks the tank in 1 swing 2) A Magical Breath Taking 3 crushing blows from the Thrash Ability alone is usually why your tank gets 1 shot out of the blue (450% Damage from 1 attack), combine it with the Breath ability and you understand yourself as a healer.... THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE lol

[@Davidhenry1210]

Blizzard already said they aren't touching core function of talents. If warriors lose classic rage then we'll need the rage balance all the way to mop where it was finished to compensate. The hit and get hit nature of the class makes it to simple to change. All or nothing.

[@NOHITJEROME]

ya they cant do rage normalization but what are they gonna do? war will be broken p4 100%

[@Davidhenry1210]

@@NOHITJEROME yea it a tricky spot

[@nilsmcmountain2377]

Honestly I think the worst part of this phase is smaller guilds need another 10 people.

[@shart4211]

Just a word of advice, most guilds when they mapped out their phase 1 plans or formed and evolved in phase 1, knew that 20-40 man raiding would be coming long term. Mc is another 20 man and it could potentially require more for later end game. So take time this phase to expand your guild and make not only 1 20 man raid team but 2, so you’re ready for a 40 man change. In phase 1 many guilds ran 4 10 man raids for this reason, some even ran 8 or more. That way you’re ready for the future not just the current phase.

[@lct23]

Agreed. I love watching lfg go by early in the reset asking for players 8/8 and then by the end of the lockout you see they ask for literally anyone

[@jodiaz01]

we were a small guild of typically the same 13ppl and alts raiding twice a lockout. for p3 we knew we needed more ppl so we and 2 other guilds with similar situation merged into 1 super guild and now we have 3 groups per lockout. we rarely pug a player unless 3-4 of us are out that night and it honestly feels like we've been raiding with the new ppl since p1 type of vibes.

[@NOHITJEROME]

Fair point Nils, and big guilds were designed around cliques and 10mans and now players are being left out. How does boomkin feel in this 20 man meta? Feel like you were playing it before and I’m curious

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@shart4211first of all I just realized this was you karashin - great yt name lmao - you make a good point about guilds planning in advance - but even with planning it is easy for someone to end up on the bench for example. You might run 1 rogue in each 10man but you don’t need 4 in mc

[@Tiemooo59]

Making fights so you need specific classes is good for a dev team with working brains, but not for the sod dev team. They literally made only priests mandatory since p1. So making the best healer in the game needed for dispels which only priests could do before p3 and now that paladins can put in bosses to shackle or offensive dispels which paladins can’t do is just the worst decision possible. They should please take their hands of mechanics that makes you need specific classes because it will result in a disaster.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah making the fights better with a variety of classes is the most logical way to fix these issues and would be a huge undertaking when designing the fights. but i see your point - i was forced to dispel on jammaln and ogom while our raid was wiping because priests happen to be the best dispellers. it was like giving me an extra bit of job security that i didn't want or need

[@andrewme7699]

Wish i could even get into raids... everytime ive tried joining a pug they want logs... which i have none cuz no1 will let me raid. Guess i gotta lead my own or somethin.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yooo andrew have you looked into trying to join any guilds? i feel like the pug scene right now is not the play, i don't think it's your fault

[@andrewme7699]

@NOHITJEROME yeah... every guikd i join has too rigid of a schedule. I work 3rds and rlly need a sunday or monday raid lol

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@andrewme7699 there are not a lot of monday or sunday raids. sunday afternoon or morning might be a thing. used to do a sunday morning gdkp. was NOT easy waking up for that lol

[@qorda1337]

They completely dropped the ball with p3, sad to see

[@NOHITJEROME]

hi qorda, they definitely had some really good ideas going into the phase. but the raid was overtuned and it felt like once they nerfed it all the ideas they had went away with the nerfs. if things had been tuned perfectly from the start combined with their ideas for fights like eranikus, atalai defenders, i think the raid would be considered incredible. it's just very much a loot pinata now

[@paradopx8618]

@@NOHITJEROMEit’s a loot piñata by people trying there hardest, stacking classes, full consumes, full guild runs, it’s a nightmare to even consider pugging, phase 4 will have even less people, we’ve already lost 50% on lone wolf

[@gintokisama3804]

Love how now there are ppl complaining about class diversity, but back in Gnomer, where rogues had no space in the raid, no one was saying anything

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmmm glintokisama, i think the 20mans feel worse when you get benched though. now it's like..the whole guild doesn't need you if you aren't a top class. that's a really bad feeling. a 10man not being able to fit me in made more sense and it was easier to find an alternative raid to join

[@gintokisama3804]

@@NOHITJEROMEIt is not an easy job to have 20 consistent players for raid day every single week, so guilds are more open to bringing any class as long as they show up. If you are a top rank guild, looking for super high performance, sure, I agree with what you said, but most guilds are different.

[@jakeforaker7859]

I mean without support classes warriors aren’t shit. Feral, hunter, shaman, warlock, even spriest (degrade) are necessary for a warrior to blast. Salute to all the support players who also crank in that role!

[@rinzler666]

as a rogue . i feel neglected

[@NOHITJEROME]

that's what blizz wants you to feel. neglected is the ideal state of rogue mental-wise for them lol

[@ganoime]

honest warrior is just strong if u have WF buff feral if u like to go more then MM hunter (shaman horde) so u dont just pick warriors, if u get from 20 people 2-3 is max

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah it's true war needs WF war needs world buffs. they need optimal comps. i still think 8 would be viable though or at least 6-8

[@ganoime]

@@NOHITJEROME Far to much id u ask me. Warrior build alot dps in last 20% imagine 8 of it 😅, ther is skill cap on warrior if u look at meele hunter or rouge warrior is harder to play, still stick whit 2 to 3 whit 2 meele grupes. Best comp 2 Warrior Feral MM Hunter Shaman (if Horde). That 2x is more then enugh one range g and one tank and heal :)

[@ProjectRealFilms]

sounds like you need to just play with better friends if you are going to be benched for the class you play, at the end of the day the fun is playing with friends how ever you want, as long as bosses are dying

[@NOHITJEROME]

fair play projectrealfilms. when you push for speed/performance that's when the benchings happen. playing with purely friends in a laid back environment sounds really good. but i've never had that before. i'm always trying to keep up with the joneses (for some reason)

[@ProjectRealFilms]

I get that, somthing you have to prepare for i guess to get the absolute best you can, or level every class to have a back up 😆. Love your videos though! Very unique and enjoyable to watch

[@sniperdps]

The problem isn't Blizzard - it's us. This Min/Maxing culture is extremely toxic and against the true culture of the game. It's time to ban Warcraft logs.

[@NOHITJEROME]

not wrong sniperdps. we got older and adults want to accomplish things (quickly) and be good at things they spend time at and they have limited time. it means kicking all the non-meta classes so you can perform better. the game would probably be better without wcl. only issue is..what other endgame is left without it?

[@sniperdps]

@@NOHITJEROME 1) Better PVP events. 2) Make the raids actually hard. Like the way the were in week 1. Make it so that it takes 5-6 attempts for most guilds before they clear the thing. But the silly little, 'drink an elixir of coalescent regret so you can squeeze in that last 3 dps' is just... stupid...

[@villie8532]

Commenting to comment, cheers.

[@NOHITJEROME]

appreciate you villie..gonna need a loan with all the summons youve been selling lately lol. how much have you made total you think?

[@mrklene8379]

Gnome kickings cool, but pat a gnome on the head is good luck

[@NOHITJEROME]

that's a great idea, definitely gonna have to do that in the next video. keep an eye out for it mrklene lol. so how are you faring with the issues in the video? does balance seem to be much of a problem right now?

[@TheJasps]

Title : Gnome Slayer unlocked

[@NOHITJEROME]

gnome slayer is a feat of strength, you just need to kick at least 1000 gnomes. are you nearing that number thejasps? lol

[@TheJasps]

@@NOHITJEROME i think i am already over that, but my title must've gotten lost in the mail. :D

[@jiggitydazzle84]

rage normailzation completely ruins warrior. It essentially gives warrior energy, couldnt ever play warrior again after they ruined rage, and it had been my main since vanilla

[@NOHITJEROME]

that's what everyone seems to be saying. i guess rage normalization is an absolute no go, wouldn't feel like classic

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

I dont understand why they just cant scale the class like retail by putting buffs for pvp or pve specfic. If you look at retail blue posts the changes will state if it only effects pve or pvp. Why cant they do it with sod instead of just gutting classes

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmmm shockdoctor, you are onto something there. the thing is - it starts to get confusing when you have multiple versions of skills. does retail have 2 versions of each skill? or is it more flat modifiers like how we just got a 50% damage reduction in pvp?

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

@NOHITJEROME it's usually a flat % on buffing skills, defensive, etc and they will scale it for pvp or pve only witch makes sense. It stops the over oppressive damage classes from doing what they do in sod. It's just confusing to me I know that base stats are different so that does effect scaleing differently but they have 20 years of data and they know how these abilities work. Shouldn't be a surprise

[@enigmabis.]

Buffs ranged hunter when they are already top 4 dps - Reason? Well they dont want all hunters to go the absolute top dps aka melee hunter Cant wait for Frost mages to also get free frostfirebolt casts cus they dont want all mages to be fire :)

[@NOHITJEROME]

ya i don't entirely get the ranged hunter buffs, ranged hunter happens to be one of the only roles you WANT with the warrior / physical based comps that are becoming the meta. so it wasn't like they were going to have a lot of trouble finding a role. as a hunter myself at first I loved the changes but they really do feel unnecessary looking back..

[@paulb7223]

As a warrior main, I know for a fact a change to rage would end my SOD playing. Everyone who plays warrior just likes how rage plays and you can't look at the top 1% of warriors imo. Other classes do a lot better with the average player. OG Vanilla warrior, Nos, Elysium and a few others warrior...classic warrior, som warrior and no sod warrior. You are either a warrior main or you arent lol...even in classic when EVERYONE knew warrior is the tops you still had class diversity because people liked their class... Mages, hunters rogues and so on knew they didnt have warrior dps but they played what they liked. Each refresh of Vanilla though gets more sweaty for parsing, optimal raid comp and speed... If you are not a good class reroll if ya wanna raid or choose pug life.

[@NOHITJEROME]

Hi Paul, I respect your thoughts on warrior rage normalization. It does appear to be universally unpopular for classic players. And you do make a valid point that plenty of players still pick hunter, mage, Druid etc in versions of the game where we know warrior will be the best. But wasn’t Sod designed for more balance? It feels like warrior will be the only dps choice in p4

[@paulb7223]

@@NOHITJEROME I am all for balance but don't nerf classes. Feels bad. Buff everyone to Enhance shaman level of dps. The devs are not making big swings at balance like they should. Id rather seem em over buff a class for a week then tone em back down. Just turn the dial up on coefficients and make everyone strong.

[@matercheff]

JEROMEEE

[@NOHITJEROME]

MATER hello my friend what are you up to on this saturday?

[@matercheff]

@@NOHITJEROME GOT my Blade of Eternal Darkness!

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@matercheff huge congrats kirby. hope you enjoy it my friend

[@karolnie212]

Right now we deserve it, it's hardest class to find raid still, it's most boring of them all, every class got smt unique, warriors are not diff than in vanilla right now it's a problem for me. For end game warriors should scale like nobody, problem of this phase is also about bis loot being already standard for warriors raiding from 1st week

[@NOHITJEROME]

as players realize how good warriors are i think it wil lbe easier and easier to find groups. i fully do agree that the loot was a big problem. warriors got their full bis and went to 2k dps. casters got upgrades and went up 100 dps lol

[@cukman1643]

Is saying CHimera intentional?

[@NOHITJEROME]

oh my god its pronounced kai-mera isnt it? oh no lol

[@DMundus]

As a warlock tank in pvp there is so little i can do theres like only two 1v1s i can win.

[@NOHITJEROME]

wait really? i thought you just won 100% of your 1v1s. are yooou sure

[@DMundus]

@@NOHITJEROME ooh i mean yeah. All of them.

[@Jasdoer123]

I am 100% bias, but would suck to normalize rage for warriors. I would rather have them nerf the shit out of deep wounds. It shouldn't be 30% of our dmg imo.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah im not seeing a single player in favor of rage normalization. seems like DW nerf is the only way. just hope it doesn't cause too many warriors to quit

[@skuorpi]

warrior is only massive damage with every world buff and consumable possible active, yes they scale the highest which means highest dos but they need everything to reach that. the higher skill/gold having characters will be doing this and yes it is the best but the AVERAGE WARRIOR is worse than the AVERAGE hunter/enh

[@MadolcheGabbana]

6:25 E V E R Y R O G U E ALL PHASE 2 lol.... We literally had to pick-up Tanking...or die as a raiding class, we're lucky we even got the turn around we did this phase.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah rogues got completely screwed last phase. even now with much higher damage i fear they aren't in a massively better place. though i would always want to bring rogues to a pug because i feel like they are much more trustworthy and reliable than most specs

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

Yeah the need to leave warrior alone, the only thing theyre good at is raid. Normalizing rage wouldnt make crappy geared warrios any better btw it would just make better geared warriors that put in the work worse.

[@Yams42279]

at this rate theyll be doing double or even more damage of most other classes at 60 they have to do something

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

@Yams42279 stop looking at 100%parse and start looking at 90 or 95% parses, only the best warriors perform like that and it's ONLY when recklessness is active. Warriors suck in pvp open world farming, let them have something.

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

Also most warriors are absolute trash

[@Yams42279]

@@claytongiampaolo7848 so youre saying since warrior is bad at farming then it should be twice as strong as every other class? even if they normalized rage warrior is still going to be #1 lets not kid ourselves. Do you really want to just have Sod be era and just have everyone reroll warrior for 60 cuz everything else will be bad in comparison?

[@Yams42279]

@@claytongiampaolo7848 i dont care what classes are at the top but if the top class is doing 2x damage of classes in middle of the pack then clearly something needs to be done. We are halfway through 50 phase and we are already seeing the warrior stacking and people rerolling warrior in anticipation of them being god tier compared to everything else

[@Alejandro_87]

I really hope they don't nerf warriors. That would feel horrible especially when other classes are getting buffed up the wazoo like hunters, priests, shamans, druids, and rogues. This whole time they've been careful not to give us too much, other classes have far outplayed us in terms of cool new abilites and utility from runes. We have not been that that strong up until now in phase 3 where yeah, if the stars align then we can really pump for about 20 secs or so in a raid. Rage normalization is not classic wow and neither is SoD but that would be going too far in my opinion. For someone maining warr since launch, it would completely change the feel of playing warrior in a bad way, it's too late for that big of a change.

[@ebossnz6838]

What do we expect from an indi company

[@NOHITJEROME]

well..i gotta say blizzard is looking better than the tarkov devs LMFAO

[@ebossnz6838]

@@NOHITJEROME hahaha yeah that's quite an achievement