EPIC Question: "Would you have changed anything in Sagas 1 and 2?"

[@sylas3727]

I honestly wish there was more Troy in the Troy saga

[@hamnonox]

same

[@matthiasbaaij8667]

Yeah but then you would have to expand into the Iliad and other epics about the war which would change the entire project.

[@paulweidlich2379]

It would be cool, but this is a musical about the Oddysey and that's all the Oddysey says about Troy :/

[@Mary_Studios]

Always a chance that we could eventually get a musical of Troy

[@UnseenWaldo]

There's some more Troy in Wouldnt You Like and Dangerous

[@Evergreenoutsider10]

Man, I thought the official version of The horse and the Infant had Hamilton vibes, but the original just screams it. So cool to see them side by side. Maybe, when this is all over, we can get the OG versions, like how First Burn was released later. Can’t wait for the whole story. 😘

[@teddyjlockwood]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIvGpIqCabaKmsU This compilation of Epic includes some of the early versions of the Troy saga!!

[@captaincrazycreative]

Oh I'd LOVE to hear the original versions of the songs. Even if I understand why Jorge might not want to realese them I will say though that I prefer the current version of the horse and the infant. The old one is a bit TOO Hamilton for me.

[@alcyone5776]

1:52 The idea that Odysseus was just yelling in the wooden horse while the Trojans are outside is hilarious to me "Hey is Apollo trapped in that horse or something cause I'm hearing a lot of singing-"

[@dowsingelf77]

Soundproofed horse 😂

[@ashtheakwardpeep8797]

Odysseus-Yelling his plans The Trojans-Y’all the wind be acting weird today

[@wielderofspoons]

Trojans clearly have the perception of Oblivion NPCs 'must have been the wind' 'damn rats scurrying around making me jump'

[@feathered_turtle]

⁠​⁠@@wielderofspoons (muffled) “DIOMEDES WILL LEAD THE CHARGE, AGAMEMNON WILL FLANK THE GUARDS, MENELAUS-“ “Must’ve been Aeolus.”

[@JaydenIsland]

@@feathered_turtle”Man I wonder what the Greeks will do next?” “Yeah, that would be great for us in the war.” “What’s with the wind today?” “I don’t t know.”

[@ericgarcia3802]

Weirdly enough, i always thought that having Athena's blessing essentially gave Odysseus access to quick thought as it seems like he uses it as well at times early on, but lost it after they split apart in "My Goodbye". Which in turn would be sick if Telemachus is seen using it later as well, as he and Athena are friends.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

This one aged well lmao

[@FrostKitty14]

@@aadityayanamandra8846yes it did. also it’s like, sooooo cool to think about this.

[@hsjshdsjdjckxj7064]

The first draft of The horse and the Infant is SO HAMILTON (and I love that lol), the final version is definitely its own work though! It sets the tone for the musical so well.

[@MCWaxC]

I like how the actual Trojan War is almost over by the time the musical begins. The adaptation is focused more on The Odyssey than The Iliad, so while it’d probably feel strange to not include anything from the Trojan War, it also would be kind of odd to spend too much time on what was essentially resolved by the time The Odyssey begins. Starting with the climax of the war also gives the audience a crazy cool setpiece to open on, which helps build momentum quick.

[@ShiftingStorms]

ISMARUS IS SO FREAKING GOOD!! I’d give anything to hear the full song, or even more snippets! Wow!

[@margueritetheriault3851]

Yesssssssssss! I also need it !

[@margueritetheriault3851]

Is there anything we could do pleaseeeeeee 🙏 😂

[@ShiftingStorms]

IKKK We need to sign a petition or something XD

[@anastasiaaaronlil]

Absolutely! Same :)

[@solarflare4047]

ITS SO DAMN CATCHY JUST THE SNIPPET

[@RinHD]

The two songs that were cut gave Hamilton vibes ngl 😅

[@1minimuffin562]

YES! ESPECIALLY the first draft of The Horse And The Infant.

[@marvelgirly]

@@1minimuffin562omg yess

[@bobatea1950]

YESSS

[@foufoulo._.z]

So we all agree that we want a bonus album with the left out songs bc I WANT THEM. THEY'RE INSIDE MY HEART NOW

[@elenjulia8271]

This hits different after hearing the "I'm in my comfort zone" Perimedes song. I'm so sad both his songs got cut, we need a cut song saga!!!

[@waynettegonzalez]

It’s really cool to hear what they sound like now vs original draft, like their so different

[@randolphrosenberg2994]

I really hope that one day, probably long after the whole album is revealed, you make a bonus album of all these scrapped songs. Like this is the first time I've heard any snippet of Ismarus and DAMN does it go hard!

[@sunloww]

OMG THE PERIMEDES ONE SOUNDS AMAZING? WE NEED THE WHOLE THING

[@ShiftingStorms]

YES PLEASEEEE OML

[@KingOfIthaca1020]

I would pay so much money for a full version of Ismarus it is SO GOOD

[@ShiftingStorms]

Ikr

[@cristinasanchez9607]

Every time I hear the introduction to the first song of the Troy Saga, I feel pumped to listen to the entire musical (I listen to a video that includes all the recordings of what's available so far as well as the first two saga recordings)! It would be incredible to witness this as a Broadway musical. To be sitting in the dark of a theater and hearing that instrumental introduction, it would be such a thrill! Also, I love the interpretation of Athena being present in the beginning. I was never sure what to make of ticking sound at that moment but that makes a lot of sense!

[@yf-n7710]

Coming here after the re-releases, and noticing that Jorge did not change the clock ticking, even though there were other changes (like the chorus behind Athena in WoTM). So he must have thought about it and decided he liked it in.

[@deusexmachina8856]

My friend, i LOVE the early ticking sound.❤ I always read that as literally Odysseus strategising- that's his sound! You can tell the difference later on, because Athena's Quick thought sound is faster. This ticking is slow, normal pace, showing the step by step, logical calculating mind of Odysseus. I thought it was a masterful detail, but even if that was not the original intent, I still think of it as a great way to start epic. (Also, thematically, it matches super well with the action of the first song- THIS is the hour the plan is being made by the men inaide the horse) 🤗 I can't tell you what your work means to me, THANK YOU for Epic

[@EmerialynCodeVenice]

I'm SO IMPRESSED as a writer by all the revisions you've done. I know VERY WELL how AGONIZING revision can be even if you logically know that a different version/a LOT MORE WORK could make a POTENTIALLY stronger version - it takes some real self-honesty and experience to do what you've done even WITHOUT Epic The Musical literally being the BEST musical I've ever listened to (and I went to see Hamilton on Broadway BEFORE it became popular).

[@GamerGal13]

Na everyone to drunk to hear them in the horse is what I'm getting from this which is funny because they might think they are hearing things and then BAM they weren't and they regret drinking that night.

[@castielthebestangle1615]

Glad you change full speed ahead I don’t think the one you showed would have become my favorite full song with the original version

[@buggymah]

The rerelease is so good! Honestly I’m glad you kept the clock sound in the rerelease. It’s a great detail. You are such a genius.

[@LyricAndCompany]

In "Horse and the Infant" there's the repeating line of "what do you live for, what do you try for, what do you wish for, what do you fight for" and I am *so* hoping that gets sampled in another track somehow, because if there isn't a spin of "what will you die for," I'm gonna cry (/light-hearted)

[@christiangarza8122]

With Thunder bringer coming up, being the first saga of the second act and it being the last one to feature any of the crew I think, I think if it would come back at any point, it’s then

[@vicky_thegiantpossum]

Well, who is here after the new versions of this sagas ?

[@bts-army324]

meee

[@charminochoa4603]

I would love to hear all the cut songs,

[@esper4645]

Same

[@smolsiren]

Something that I think is really cool is the fact that the original melody Polyphemus sings in the draft is the same as the siren’s melody during part of suffering, cause they both are monsters talking about hiding from a god

[@porcelainquill6485]

The way I interpreted the clock at the beginning was that time is going by and every second they spend fighting this 10 war is another second Odysseus is counting that he's been away from Ithaca, especially since at the end of Calypso's first song clip that we have, there's also a ticking clock sound and he gets stuck there for 8 years.

[@snarls3760]

So much hamilton inspiration there lol

[@junelondon1703]

I feel like the first drafts of the 1 and 2 saga where very complex/wordy. The current versions are more catchy and easy to remember. ^^ Love everything I heard so far and hope you don´t change to much of the newer songs.

[@sarahellie4113]

Does anyone else want to hear a full version of Ismarus???

[@12stormy13]

Please, please, please, please, please!!!!!!!! Release Ismarus as just a "Cut Songs" playlist. I love Saga 1 and 2 but that song captured me in the 3 seconds you played so hard. That's my genre, my favorite style and you killed it. I will literally pay for it if you could release it.

[@FreeTheRats_]

The only thing I find a bit weird is why we get the first "Athena!" in Warrior of the mind, I feel like it unnecesarily spoils it and it kinda ruins the hype for the "You are Athena, baddass in the arena" moment, which still is so good but feels weird since you already know it's Athena.

[@Cr7-epiclover]

Hey Jay! I’m literally dying to here the duet of Penople and Odysseus ! ❤

[@benlowe1701]

Oh damn. I don't know if I *prefer* those original iterations of the songs, but they're really something. Maybe you could do something like the Hamilton Mixtape when this is over, like First Burn? Just a thought. EDIT I see someone below has already htought of that.

[@lerato.mash27]

I love all of the songs but I admire the work and effort that's been taken from drafts all the way into the final songs that blow me away.

[@andromedanotreally]

Ismarus amd Your Light actually sound amazing tbh

[@kateb1127]

Funny how now that we have the new versions there actually isn't a clock sound there, meaning he remembered to come back to it :D

[@ClawedAsh]

No, it's still there, just a lot quieter then it used to be

[@rasplundjr]

My kids introduced this to me last week. I have to say that so far it is fantastic I can't wait to hear more, I've listened to it three times this week in the wee hours when I couldn't sleep because of pain issues, and I have to say this was able to draw my mind away from my physical issues long enough for me to be able to wind down to sleep. Thank you sir. I don't want to wait to see what you do next with this and beyond. You and the cast do an amazing job. My two youngest (28 and 16) were singing along in the car (I'll admit I was too for what little I could remember the lyrics as I just recently started listening) you and your cast have the ability to bring so much emotion through your performances.

[@jaybee880]

I love the ticking in the opening of the musical. As I've been listening to everything and catching up on all the behind the scenes, the realization that the clock is tied to Athena made me go "OH! It's at the start because she's right there with them, silent but present." Love love love

[@TechnicallyLeine]

Well, guess what, he got to go back and change them

[@skilfularcher]

I love the headcanon that it’s a quick thought speed bubble

[@maitreyisunder8877]

I love how OG Full Speed Ahead's melody made it to Legendary! Beautiful utilization of work

[@allisonstormfeather]

Im really in love with the official versions of sagas 1 and 2, but I'm still very sad that "your light" was cut out. The song is so beautiful.

[@_-drowsy-_]

PERIMEDES?! Was he going to be a bigger character initially?

[@Felix0802]

Yes, it's the guy who stabbed in mutiny

[@_-drowsy-_]

@@Felix0802 yes but he had a lot of other cut moments

[@yannismorris4772]

Oh that cut Cyclops Song is talking about Xenia or Grecian laws of hospitality

[@adellefletcher]

I just want to say that my Greek Mythology loving a$$ screamed when I first heard Full Speed Ahead 😅. I love all the work you do - currently listening to My Heart Says Go 😍. Sigan con el buen trabajo; ¡El mundo sabrá tu nombre! 💛

[@_-drowsy-_]

0:15 I’ve never heard this in ismarus?

[@margueritetheriault3851]

Literally can’t stop listening to the 3 seconds of Ismarus

[@Percysdamgirlfriend]

i think it would have been really cool if in my goodbye at the start it kinda started like warrior of the mind like “ have you forgotten the lessons i taught you” “ thia” cause it’s kinda canon that odysseus calls athena thia, i think would be a cool way to start my goodbye bc it kinda brings everything into full circle

[@mercan9834]

Now I want ALL of those songs :')

[@Good_morning_Baltimore]

Lmao the idea of Polites being like “hey bro 😎 “ just makes me laugh so much 😂😂😂😂

[@AussieLuvah]

I absolutely LOVE the first two sagas, they really reeled me in. Every song since has been a masterpiece. ❤❤❤

[@RC-xl8se]

Why they don't hear them? Because a musical does not tell the story how it happens but how it feels: they are whispering in reality but for them and us it feels like a war chant of encouragement.

[@bertiebab]

Can we get the full version of "Ismarus", please? Because honestly, what a vibe! And that was just 7 SECONDS OF IT!!!

[@Eve_Glitch]

Oh my goodness, when I heard a bit of the clock sound, I thought it's a countdown for Odysseus's group to attack...😂

[@carloslasso4370]

For me the idea of the troyans not hearing Odysseus in the horse is just suspension of disbelief. Like in any musical, you know the characters are not really dancing and singing, is more of an artistic liberty

[@ChaoticDoodle]

“Ok Athena, you, me, and 600 other men” “what.” “Yep, put us all into Quick-Thought” “Oh” *But then they broke up* *Platonically*

[@buttercreambobby6594]

Honestly The Cyclops and Your Light sound pretty awesome, hope they get released one day

[@MrMessy60]

I love the fact that you have made one of my favorite story's in to a musical masterpiece. and that ismorous is one of the best 7 seconds of a song we never got. keep up the wonderful work.

[@arunoc7208]

Okay but Ismarus sounds so good

[@fadedkade362]

I need a longer version of Ismarus oh my GOD

[@fabianaito11]

I have a question. Is there a full version of the unreleased songs of epic? And if they are, have you considered releasing them as some kind of spin off of the musical?

[@RayTheEmoGoth]

MORE PERIMEDES, WE EATING GOOD TODAY

[@lunaoak6741]

I wish we would get a release of your light. I have a save tiktok audio of that one and it’s one of my favorites

[@matthewschneider4758]

According to Homer, the Trojan War lasted 10-years. “The Iliad” recounts the tenth year. “The Odyssey” covers another 10 years. Therefore, Odysseus was away from Ithaca (and his wife) for 20 total years. If you consider his Journey begins with the defeat of Troy (Trojan Horse song), then chronologically the "Clock Starts Ticking" makes a lot of sense!!! I personally considered the "Ticking Clock Noise" as a Time Line Reference marking the first few seconds of his 10-year long journey home after Troy is defeated!

[@RawwkinGrimmie64]

Suspension of disbelief is sometimes necessary for a story. The Horse and the Infant is no exception

[@fatimabelkacem7036]

Well the first two are perfect for me but I wonder when does the third saga come out and I hope "ruthlessness" and "god games" are in cuz I am obsessed with these,i also wanna hear the scrapped songs maybe after the album fully released

[@SpunkyQueeny]

Yees! Same here. I listened to the snippets so many times, I know them by heart. Can't wait for the full versions to release, especially of those two songs. They're my favorite. Also get in the water, done for, hold them down and king. And if olive three gets released as as a bonus, I'd just be overjoyed. Thank you so much jorge for all these incredible songs and all the work and thought you have put into creating this masterpiece. Also for letting us see and kind of be part of the progress and drafts. It's so great to see the progress and then finally the finished songs

[@aleishamclean]

Please release a full version of "Ismarus", it sounds so good!

[@emeralddior810]

I love you. Thank you for letting your talent be seen and heard.✨

[@manpig873]

Any updates on the next couple sagas?

[@mrj5937]

Interesting🤔, personally I think the old drafts seam good but I way prefer the finished product, so well done!❤

[@charlesashton3757]

Wait, Your Light is cut? Naw, it was one of my favourite snippets.

[@Athenabadassinthearena]

He needs to make an Illiad musical too

[@jasminecamacho261]

I do hope you could release Ismarus as a bonus track of some sort❤

[@disaster_twins_]

Troyjin: Hears chanting from the huge wooden horse. Troyjin:... Troyjin: Probably nothing!

[@halothere6995]

Honestly 0:29 I’d like to listen to that despite the final draft of horse and the infant being my favourite song other than survive.

[@PitXRoxas]

EPIC QUESTION 🔥🔥🔥 RADICAL QUESTION 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@AngelKay24]

When are the new sagas coming out?! I can't wait any longer!!!!!!!!!!

[@allieroze278]

I need this to be an animated musical or even Broadway ❤❤❤I am literally in absolute love with .what you’Ve created. What’s the end goal? 😊😊😊

[@Tappiteetoo]

Jorge feel free to steal my answer, How did the trojans not hear them in the horse? It was a tall horse the end

[@noodlesxd1795]

Ismarus sounds so amazing, is there a way where we could hear all of the first draft?

[@Goober440]

I always felt the clock was Athena watching over or foreshadowing her

[@apartoftoomanyfandoms9066]

I love all the songs but I do miss Your Light😢

[@senittoaoflightning4404]

Maybe the issue that they should be heard by the Trojans could be explained away by suggesting that they are using some sort of sign language to communicate and we are just hearing a translation of that. At least that's what I always thought.

[@Chespin_god]

i would love to have a full version of ismarus

[@CadiaMichal]

The first draft for the horse and the infant sounds like it was written by Lin Manuel Miranda ❤

[@josefinagonzalezdamico4538]

I've always seen (heard?) the clock in the horse and the infant as a way to demostrate the whole horse was a cunning-relaying-on-wits-and-deception kind of plan. Like it demostrated Odysseus had used his mind to come up with the whole thing, just like Athena had taught him (he is a warrior of the mind), so the clock effect was a way of saying look he's using his wits just like Athena taught him Never thought of it as Athena gave him the plan lol

[@Zephirite.]

In the Odyssey, the greeks loudly boasted that the Trojan horse was a gift for Athena as reverse-psychology, tricking the Trojans into taking it into the city to annoy the Greeks. We could interpret the ticking as that.

[@Calciferlover]

Now all we need is the 3rd & 4th saga (jk no rush just exited)

[@anastasiaaaronlil]

Is there any way we could get the full version of those songs, like Ismarus? That would be so cool, to see how it changed. 😍

[@FrostKitty14]

ooohh, ima see if the ticking changed in the new version!! edit: the ticking is still there.

[@Kao_Chuuyahat]

Lol. I have a question Jay! Have you heard of the book called Lore? It's by Alexandra Bracket. I just started reading it. It's where there is an agon, a hunt is what it means I guess. However, it's about a girl named Lore that was part of one of the nine houses, and she left the hunt after her family was killed. Sooon, Athena (yes the godess) appears and is injured. This is because nine Greek gods are forced to walk the earth as mortals. She is one of the only original gods left, the others being Hermes, Artemis, and I can't remember the others right now lol. But it's really cool! Lore ends up having to bind her fate to Athena's in order to get revenge for her family. (It least what I know so far)

[@MortalJustice]

I can vouch for this! It’s such a good book, but I’d definitely keep reading, there are some big things to come… 😶

[@Kao_Chuuyahat]

​@@MortalJusticeYep

[@MoonBun-illu]

The real question here is: Will there be like a bonus "Saga" with all the cut songs? Not necessarily as a story contributing saga but rather a little bonus feature of sorts. Sorry but the cut songs in here sound so good and I wanna hear them too especially the Cyclops one

[@spiritedaway0tutu]

Odysseus: Hey Athena? Can you pull the entire city of Troy into quick thought for a second? My men and I want to sing a song :D Athena: …..yeah, sure. I don’t have anything too pressing going on right now anyway.

[@Vanessa_03]

I have now this image in my head where a bunch of guards stand around the hose and suddenly they start singing inside. Then the guards slowly turn to look a the horse in confusion 😂😂😂😂

[@bearyweary9236]

I cried when no ismuruse

[@bearyweary9236]

Dow I somehow love the musical so much and feels just 😩(still miss ismuruse but out of place🥲)

[@jesusdavila7052]

How the Polyphemus song ended in the fully released version is an absolute banger, no doubt about it, but my little nerd heart cannot help but feel shame that the lyrics in 0:47 didn't manage to stay, as it's actually pretty much a genuine stone cold Badass Boast that Polyphemus drops on Odysseus in the original. Yeah, Polyphemus DOES indeed scoff at the concept Zeus's wrath in the original epic .

[@OverdadeiroIkarus]

Still wish for something like epic but for the iliad

[@I_will_have_an_emu_army]

Does anyone else think that Jorge sounds almost identical to Lin Manuel during certain singing parts?? I don't know if I'm going crazy or not-

[@garabatosxd]

I guess that bc the accent

[@littleRedHead007]

Hi Jay! Just wanted to say your music is amazing and I am not ashamed to admit the song 39 update had me in TEARS. You’re creating something amazing, and it’s been so fun seeing your progress. The Odyssey has always been one of my favorite stories, so it is wonderful seeing it come to life 🩵

[@abbycollins4820]

These early songs are very Hamilton.