Part1: Is Christianity the White Man's Religion?

[@crisl9079]

In real Christianity you are my brother regardless of your skin color & we are all equal at the foot of the cross. White supremacy is contradictory to Christianity.

[@Bunfire123]

Facts

[@StandFirm24.7]

Thank you Dr. Bantu....for correcting the lies....and presenting the Truth! Keep Standing Firm 24/7!

[@mgunn80]

This is fantastic! Thank you Dr. Osaze for your presentation and humility, and thank you Dr. Bantu for an incredibly clear picture of the true gospel! Blessings!

[@shirleyrozzell6771]

This was so worth the wait. Dr. Bantu killed it!!!! That was beyond meat and potatoes, it was a heavenly feast. Waiting for part 2.

[@akindelebankole8080]

I'm not sure if he killed it for the right reasons. If killing it means we continue to follow Christianity that admonishes us to self hate, this was a big loss for black people. Your thoughts? Thanks, A

[@fothgt]

@@akindelebankole8080 Actually he "killed it" in showing how the gospel of Christ made its in roads in ancient societies. Men are then responsible on how they, we build on Christ foundation.

[@akindelebankole8080]

@@fothgt Perhaps you are correct. In that case, you are not implying that you are the arbiter of God's knowledge..., Or are you? If you do not get to control how I speak or communicate with God, then what would be your problem with other people?

[@ibnalamin9695]

The lack of showing the slides hurt this video

[@CHDean]

Just like the lack of biblical exegesis makes theirs TedTalk heresy, just like Eric Mason is a racist heretic.

[@CHDean]

@Joe Doe never pre-sume, never ASS-ume.

[@nefernittyesq]

Bantu shut it down! Praise be to God! Bro Jabari attempts to appeal to emotions. He uses the anger which naturally results from slavery. His first and second round statements have nothing to do with the conversation. Also, he changed the conversation in his rebuttal. Bantu showed the natural spread of the the faith prior to Constantine but Jabari tried to pin the focus on events which occurred much later. Jabari ignores the persecution of Christians by the Romans.

[@kwamemaatranyame-mentuhote9952]

I agree he didn’t attack the points and tried to appeal to emotions but Dr Bantu points can be dismiss with simple scholarship

[@Polydea]

This is only round 1 sis and there was no "natural spread". Why is it hard for you to see the "natural spread" as a bloody act? Accepting gospel from a whit man makes this a white man's religion, it's really that simple.

[@nefernittyesq]

@@Polydea I sincerely want to know if you understand what he said about how Christianity spread through THAT REGION. The only blood involved was that of the Christians who were being killed by the Roman govt. And you're right, the spread wasn't natural. It was supernatural. But what I originally meant was that it was passed by word of mouth.

[@Polydea]

@@nefernittyesq haha OK, not gonna argue with your supernatural beliefs.

[@bjw8806]

Polydea so you are saying Christianity spread through bloodshed while being persecuted? Can you point to which periods through the 1-4 centuries of this Christian bloodshed going on throughout the regions ?

[@latedlight]

Facts vs. Emotion.

[@CHDean]

In the world of Eric Mason it’s emotion and fake theology. I hope you didn’t waste your valuable time listening to his hedonistic rhetoric.

[@TrevWILL79]

I would like to know who was more emotional? It seemed like Brotha Jabari was more emotional and had less scholarship and original sources 🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@MarquaviusSr]

Incredible debate... I respect the delivery and content of brother Jabari. Dr. Bantu's knowledge and use of the ancient languages helped to support his argument, it actually made it a lot more credible. Dr. Bantu also corrected atleast three false statement's of brother Jabari that were critical to his argument. Therefore, I think Dr. Bantu won this one. Ready to see the rest!

[@akindelebankole8080]

So, where do we go from here? How do we clearly demarcate the corruption from truth and stop leading black people into modern self hating Christian sects, that are sweeping the black communities all over the world. And by the way, African theology states that the first human is black, and evolutionary biology supports that. Your thoughts...?

[@MarquaviusSr]

@@akindelebankole8080 Sorry... but everything you said is unrelated to my specific comment of the debate. I don't have time to respond to anything else.

[@akindelebankole8080]

@@MarquaviusSr I see that now. I could have sworn my response was relevant. Somehow my message does not match what I'm responding to. Almost as though the original message disappeared. Please accept my apologies.

[@mannyvidsnyc]

Was there watching it live. It was so worth it. What a Civil and intellectual debate. My opinion, let’s just say the Christians won base on legit scholarship and facts! However, Brother Jabari won for being entertaining and having a strong stage presence. I would love to see other members of the conscious community debate Christians, but I fear it wouldn’t be as civil.

[@BROTHERGARFIELDPODCAST]

It will be civil and better scholarship

[@chyrellegraham5788]

Dagger Squad so you’re saying ya conscious brother didn’t represent y’all correctly because he didn’t bring better scholarship and facts to this debate

[@jetblacktv8328]

Chyrelle Green everyone has a specialist area of study...this was not Jabari strong point that’s all

[@mannyvidsnyc]

Jet Black TV your saying Bro Jabari, who is a Kemetic high priest, takes people to Kemet to see the land, and who has opened his doors to teach people the history for years, and no one had a problem with, is now not an expert on the topic? I’m confused. Who is qualified if not Bro Jabari?

[@jetblacktv8328]

Manny Vids there’s a difference between a specialist in Egyptology and early Christianity. Hopefully you understand these are two different fields in university. Being an expert in Egypt doesn’t make you a Christian scholar. Hopefully this helps your confused mind to understand.

[@virginiathorogood6633]

Thank You Dr. Bantu! To God Be The Glory!

[@alvinhenderson971]

Great job Jabari!!!

[@AsarImhotep]

Okay, here is my initial take on round one. Really no one won, but if I have to pick a winner, I say Dr. Bantu. Dr. Bantu wins by default because he attempted to answer the question, "Is Christianity the White Man's Religion?" Jabari avoided the question and went on his own ranting that had little to do with the research question. H makes relevant points in the larger conversation, but the narrow question required a narrow response, which Jabari failed to deliver. Dr. Bantu, although he attempted to answer the question, didn't. He side-stepped it a bit and tried to move the date up and dismiss the actual physical features of the people who created 'Christianity'. What Dr. Bantu is doing (as evidenced by his other videos) is make it seem as if the people's identity plays a small role in the development of their traditions. He claims that the Biblical writers provide a doctrine that is for "everybody"; therefore, 'transcending' ethnicity and the like. A seasoned debater would have caught that and dismantled this argument (which appears to be part of his doctoral thesis). Ultimately, Dr. Bantu's argument is irrelevant and someone with more knowledge would have cut the basis of his argument. The "argument from Rome," as a I call it, is too late of a time period to answer the question. So he pulled a fast one on Jabari and Jabari wasn't wise enough to catch it. Thus, Jabari was in his own world talking to himself instead of answering the question. So again, round 1 goes to no-body. But if I had to choose, it would be Bantu. I predict round two will be more of the same. They picked the wrong representative of the 'conscious community', but picked the right one for them to debate (because they knew he doesn't know anything).

[@johndelaney1787]

Who would have been better and from a knowledge perspective and debate perspective? Because some cats have a wealth of knowledge but arent good debaters and vice versa.

[@AsarImhotep]

@@johndelaney1787 Well, they had formidable opponents in Dr. Maat, Garfield, Bro. Ankh and myself (part of the original team they were to debate). But they chose to go around us and just deal with Jabari. I don't have anything against Jabari. But when it comes to defending Africa against Christianity, Jabari would not be our top choice. All of the things we told Jabari to avoid in this debate, he argued. As you can see it didn't fly well for him. So now we have to do a real debate where the real arguments are being made because no one serious argues that Gerald Massey or Ashra Kwesi mess he used in the debate.

[@soulonland6190]

@@AsarImhotep Garfield and Ankh? We know you losing....lol. Get serious. Garfield and Ankh cant handle Divine Prospect and Zion Lexx. You see what happens when they dialogue

[@jetblacktv8328]

I call it a draw also, Dr Bantu was using his Christian mid tricks so I found it difficult to give him the round...Jabari discussing how Christianity spread does not confirm if it’s the ‘white’ mans religion. Dr Bantu maybe squeezes this round but only by default.

[@jetblacktv8328]

Shalom Alekem Lord give me strength 🤦🏾‍♂️ you guys are 🥜

[@thetranscriptpresents5439]

So blessed by this! What?! I'm so late, but I was so challenged, love Dr Vince Bantu's Responses and ultimately his passion for the gospel. Would've loved to see the content for how the gospel entered Ethiopia.

[@chyrellegraham5788]

The audio is soooooo low

[@Sophia-kn5bc]

It’s loud on my phone when I play this video. I suggest using ear phones to plug into your phone? This will bring your audio direct to your ears and you may even have to the volume down 😂

[@kimhelton5514]

each of us are all alone with Yahweh Christ and Spirit, what any other person does will be judged by the Lord regardless of skin shade - all shades hopefully study and follow the Holy Bible

[@akindelebankole8080]

Perhaps the Christian God will actually punish the believers that have caused pain to a whole people Ana caused many to question God. What do you think about that

[@rfsmith07]

Epiphany fellowship - do you mind making sure the audio is up for pt. 2 ??

[@thicky]

also show the slies they are talking abut.. i dont see any of the slides they are referring to

[@amosmccleese3374]

I started feeling bad for Jabari.... Dr.Bantu had all of the receipts 😁😁😁

[@akindelebankole8080]

Only if we believe Christian oppression is good for us. Otherwise, not only Jabari lost, but all black people lost, because Bantu's win means continued separation from the sacredness of our ancestors and our connection to them.

[@ThugNinja]

😂😂

[@CHDean]

ThugNinja91 Why do you laugh?

[@freedomordeath1805]

@@akindelebankole8080 your a joke ! Your lost stop clinging on to your operssor

[@akindelebankole8080]

@@freedomordeath1805 You mean my African ancestors are my oppressors? I don't understand. Please clarify. Thank you

[@charityskidd]

15:00 Is where the video starts

[@solomonsmart1]

Looking forward to part 2. If you could show the slides that would be helpful

[@rasheedfraser5680]

never judge a philosophy based on its abusers

[@stevenwhite7730]

I wonder how someone can say the Dr. Won. I have no dog in this race .bro jabari laid it out plane the Dr.lot of they like being converted beliefs

[@Marshelle29]

Dr Bantu did a great job. Sorry if I spelled his name wrong. PASTOR Eric Mason God bless you and your church. Praise God from WHOM ALLL BLESSINGS FLOW!!! This was definitely a victory ✌ for the BODY of Christ.

[@AsarImhotep]

Why aren't the slides being shown?

[@gospelcentered101]

Asar Imhotep they didn’t send them

[@NewBlackKnowledge]

Right smh

[@AsarImhotep]

They could at least show them via the camera. There is really no attempt to show the screens. Just wish they would have let us see the presentations.

[@gospelcentered101]

Asar Imhotep they will be in the next video and in a JPEG for this one

[@AsarImhotep]

Gotchu

[@ruthwmson322]

The people doing violent acts or deeds weren't Christians, Romans, Greeks, they persecuted the Jews religion, the old testament was pointing towards Jesus Christ, the coming of the messiah, the word of God, the gospel was preached in the whole world before the catholic church or the council of nadia, a man must be born again of the water and of the spirit, john 3:1-8.

[@tyron302]

This was a good debate. Can't wait for part 2

[@adamspears2492]

Even if Jabari's argument was logically consistent(which in my opinion it isn't), the fact that he doesn't cite any primary sources was the most disappointing thing about his opening statement and rebuttal. Even if you disagree with Dr. Bantu, not only did he stay true to the topic, but he actually cited multiple sources that the audience can look up for themselves. In my opinion, this the difference between an actual scholar and a person who just regurgitates popular arguments. Smh

[@gregorystanton6184]

his sources were on his slides as he stated in the start-up sad they didn't show them

[@childofgod7455]

About time😂

[@slavell19]

This looks like a 🎮 of emotionalism vs scholarship! And I don't have to say names for you to know who came with what! With that being said I think jabari has trouble understanding timelines! Not to mention pulling our "african card" will not be enough here lol dr bantu had more than enough to deal with jabari thus far, im looking forward to the other parts!

[@akindelebankole8080]

I do not see that at all. Perhaps you can explain how this was so. Thank you, A

[@VocabMalone]

ANKH sighting @ 00:34

[@jayt1104]

Got my notebook and pen ready.

[@tocatchareligiouspredator6073]

jamal t Have it ready when they debate Polight and Dagger Squad.

[@kimhelton5514]

skin shade comes from our creator, love the Lord thy God with all your heart and all your might and all your soul and your neighbor as yourself, what others do is irrelevant, the last will be first and the first will be last

[@akindelebankole8080]

I take it you do not believe that every modern human comes from a common black ancestor. If you think the garden of Eden in it's depiction of non black Eve is correct, I beg to differ. As a Yórùbá American, I know that Odù Ifá says clearly that the first human was black, and evolution corroborates that fact. Would love to read your thought.

[@akindelebankole8080]

@mike smith I understand the reluctance to give up your cherished view. What do you think would happen in the European community, if theologians accept the truth of black mitochondrial Eve as the correction of the garden is Eden? All possible psychopathic material hell will be rained on humanity like we've never seen before However, I admit that I'm not here to encourage or apologize for the continuance of damaging our black souls. There is no way that God would want this.

[@akindelebankole8080]

@mike smith This is like the left tries to quelch dialogue. Now, that it is clear that you love the Christian system so much, we should not even talk about any opposing views. This is due to what? Fear of going to hell? Is heaven even possible for me, if it means I deny what I feel? Do you think a liar can fool God? If I simply heed your advice and sheepishly follow, then heaven awaits my lying soul? How is that?

[@akindelebankole8080]

@mike smith I can appreciate your sentiments. In fact, I actually find the Christian belief a source for good for many. In fact, what I call myself is the following: An indigenous Yórùbá, life style Christian, cultural Jewish, agnostic small "a" atheist, American,; who believes there is a possibility for metaphysical energy beyond what we, as humans, can grasp. On your claim that I have hate, I agree that my questioning and expressions might give an appearance of some type of bitterness, but I can assure you that I'm very far from that. I hold love and peace very dearly, and not just for black people, but for all peoples. What is even more important to me, is decreasing human emotional, physical and metaphysical suffering. My moral basis is also rooted in "Consent" after age of reason is achieved. Finally, I ask that you, as a positive Christian, not simply rule me out simply because I disagree with you. It might behoove us to hear each other out, without animosity between us. I promise you that I will continue to let "Ìwà Pèlé" - Deliberate gentleness of my Yorùbá philosophical upbringing lead my interactions. My questioning of the specifics of your worldview is in no way to denigrate your personhood at all. Hope that helps....

[@akindelebankole8080]

@mike smith Thank you for your measured response. I agree that focussing on human values and moral worthiness is more prudent than making race the final point of one's argument. It need not be part of our conversation. Cheers, A

[@haroldbailey9011]

The non Christian dude was appealing to emotions and lacked any evidence. Feelings based madness. He also failed to stick to the topic of the debate.

[@thicky]

true indeed. i notice that. all these groups do the same thing.. blacks are a people that go on emotion almost exclusively before hearing facts. and you see it when it comes to their own social issues in the community. liberals like blacks because they know they can appeal to their emotions with race issues. even when its not factual.

[@thicky]

@Tony Hodge i agree. but emotion also leads to misguided behaviours. without understanding all the facts. emotions are how people are easily controlled. because they dont think before they act. everything is triggered differently when emotions is your primary behavioural pattern. i am not talking about showing emotion for the loss of a loved one. im talking about how emotion is played out in our daily lives in society. and our form of thinking as people should have more degree of thought than just hearing something that sounds right but not acting reasonably to better assess a situation or whats said. emotional cops kill people. emotional black kill people. emotional white kids shoot up schools. we dont want this. comprende

[@akindelebankole8080]

@@thicky Some will tell you that gullibility is the reason for black folks to follow Christianity. Secondly, what is your thought about Odù Ifá of the Yórùbá people of West Africa that says the first human is black, and evolutionary biology supports that black religious view? Hope to read your response soon.

[@hassanshabazz6240]

To the scooter see ARTICLE The Word Gospel in pre Christian Literature Also Britannica Encyclopedia Godspel associated with Roman cult. Emperor worship a reward was giving To The messenger of the Good news of conquering the patucular nation

[@akindelebankole8080]

@@thicky Is this true if all black people? Or is this a taking long based on the emotions of "fear"? Hope to read from you soon

[@soulonland6190]

Dr.Bantu has better scholarship. Jabari was not prepared. Using old arguments that would not work with someone well informed. He thinks war and violence was unique to one group. Smh

[@hassanshabazz6240]

Sholom alakym reaserch roman emporer worship it is associated with the orgin of the word Gospel when the romans would conquer a nation. They would send a messenger to anounce the Good news of conquering A nation see ARTICLE. The Gospel in pre christain literature

[@soulonland6190]

@@hassanshabazz6240 why dont you post the link here. I am still not sure what that proves

[@hassanshabazz6240]

@@soulonland6190 just Google the ARTICLE The word Gospel in pre Christian Literature by Glen Davis Google Godspel encyclopedia Britannica it will say associated with Roman cult emporer worship The ARTICLE says reward was given to the messenger to anounce The Good news of victory and conquering other nations he Glen Davis qotes 2 jewish sources CALL The Jewish Wars

[@TrevWILL79]

When Dr. Bantu disarmed Bro. Jabari with #1. He had disassociate and also denounce the irresponsible use of the Gospel by those who enslaved dehumanized our ancestors. #2. “Bizurot” does not rob you of your cultural context. This has been the argument of many Black Nationalism, African spiritualism, Kemetist, and other conscious community.

[@hassanshabazz6240]

@@TrevWILL79 question what PERSON filled whith THE Holy Spirit SAYS Slaves be obedisnt TO YOUR Masters even if THERE despotic

[@Unknown_Disciple_Of_Christ]

Finally, get to hear this...

[@KaBaMimiKm]

Wow!!! Tuned in

[@emmeyatolo6431]

Instead of a contest, perhaps in keeping with the spirit, Brother Jabari Osaze prepared the way for us to receive Dr Bantu both are part of the truth.

[@jirensentry7609]

So here is my questions: is this topic spiritual? Meaning is this discussion God's spiritual, salvation matters? If so what does Osasae's(sp?) part in this discussion have to do with this topic? We should Never - NEVER do anything regarding the matters of God in Christ with secular, worldly people for the purpose of bringing about salvation, redemption and expansion of the knowledge of Christ.

[@rasheedfraser5680]

thats the whole point of the Gospel. thats why the Disciples were killed

[@trustbelievethegospel6341]

🎙FINALLY!!!! The debate HAS been posted.. on social media.... If ya smelllllllll What GOD-is cooking!

[@ReppinChristFitness]

LOL!

[@itskane1791]

Big Jesus 🙏🙏🙏

[@soloman4215]

I want to 👀 the whole debate this is the best format for this discussion.

[@SweetSoundOfStrings]

The audio level is way too low.

[@apostleraw]

Fire right here 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯

[@jonathanfindlater]

No primary sources from Jabari and a lot of emotionalism is not the way to try and win a debate 😬

[@C.O.A.CH_Ray]

Pastor Jay I’m not Christian or Kemetic but if o can recall Jabari said his sources were connected to his slides . Which the video don’t show so what are you getting at?

[@C.O.A.CH_Ray]

Pastor Jay I’m biased I don’t believe in any of this bs but. 1:05:15 A harmony translated by an “anonymous author” from an article written by an Ethiopian Christian ..how is that valid citation? Seems biased And if I can recall the black dude said his citations were on the slide that we can’t see.

[@CHDean]

The Bible condemns debate about the Bible. That would make this video and it’s approval ungodly.

[@CHDean]

BLESS_ DaGod You are wise in speaking the truth.

[@diamondoneyear5]

@@CHDean the bible condones slavery so....

[@auxtas]

Good we have intellectuals debunking this false teachings among my african american brothers. I have always debunked the few I met but I realized they are having a post slavery stress Disorder. That I understand and I try to be so kinds in my debate with them.

[@fernandopaulus9088]

Good debate but our christian brother got one thing wrong, Contanstine was a Christian and as Christians we owe him a great deal for preserving some of the biblical manuscripts and later ordering the early church father Eusebeus to make 50 copies of what would be known today as the the Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, the birth of the canonisation of scripture by the early church fathers who the majority of them coming from northern Africa

[@fothgt]

Story of Daniel shows how ancients thought. They raised captives as their own. Even in Exodus 1st chapter we can see the fear of the King of Egypt as Israel grew..It's all there.

[@sofreshsoclean983]

Bantu was talking fast at the end. But it sounds like he was saying the white man said Jesus was a created being, not the Africans. He also said the people who followed Arius who was African (by the way) were heretics. It was Arius who said Jesus was a created being and not a part of god as in the trinity which Constantine declared. The Ethiopians got the gospel in around 350 ad. which is after the council of Nicaea so they got a tainted version. The Ebionites who were Africans and some of the first Christians, did not believe in the virgin birth. I don't know if Jabari picked up on this but Bantu was wrong...and probably hoped Jabari didn't get what he was saying.

[@nicky1936]

To Go be the Glory!!!! Halleluyah Jesus!!!

[@IamNOTaExpert]

Has anyone found any proof of what Dr. Bantu was explaining? Please share link/ book. I asked because he fell flat on his face when asked to site the differences between this NEW Ethiopian christianity and the one we see in the western world! He ststastastuddarded badly and never gave 1 example. I'd like to read it for myself. Thanks

[@leighjohnson4275]

When is part 2 coming out!?!... stop acting like y’all dropping mix tapes. Quit being like DJ Clue!

[@ThugNinja]

Lol

[@omikewhite8978]

I gotta give part 1 to bantu.. I am Hurt that the slides not wasn't shown..

[@ChiefX07]

Why not put entire debate up and be done with it????? What is purpose of pieces? Just curious

[@NC-dk4mh]

Video length limit methinks?

[@ChiefX07]

@@NC-dk4mh no.. you can have 8 hr videos

[@NC-dk4mh]

@@ChiefX07 WOW that's long . Maybe they haven't finished editing the rest

[@leonisaacs3512]

To allow it to be digestible

[@emmeyatolo6431]

@Easy Bandz more ads?

[@Blaktastic]

Dr. Bantu is putting a whipping on Jabari. Jabari must have thought he was in the safe confines of SaNeter Studios.

[@ThugNinja]

😂😂

[@ChiefX07]

why you got to exaggerate so much..smh. Cant take you serious

[@akindelebankole8080]

Jabari did a good job with his presentation, and so did the opposition. Why try to create a false narrative about him? It is not necessary.

[@78mking]

Yes sir! a complete annihilation thus far that is only gonna get worse comes the next two parts!

[@akindelebankole8080]

@@78mking You're funny. I almost fell for the bait. So cool though...

[@ashleynmoore12]

He was too saved and sanctified to drop that mic.

[@calvinfranklin660]

This is such a food and strength to me!

[@akindelebankole8080]

In what way?

[@calvinfranklin660]

@@akindelebankole8080 In the same way that a pull-up bar helps the muscles.

[@akindelebankole8080]

@@calvinfranklin660 I can appreciate that...

[@halohair1118]

Actually in the Kongo they began to convert to Christianity willingly because Christianity and West African spirituality isnt that different. The idea you can speak to deceased(saints) on your behalf so they can pray to God just like you can ask other believers to pray for you as they are in the church is from is similar to asking ancestors ancestors to appeal to the divine on your behalf in west Africa. The idea there is one God and mediator is west african as well. For instance in the Yoruba religion you have Olorun the Supreme distant iteration of God(father God) and Obatala( His son) with obatala being the mediator between God and man(Christ). The image of the cross was already in Bakngo spirituality that explained the relationship between men women and spirituality. So when the Lingo elite saw it they embraced it quickly The problem was that the Portugese worldly power got greedy and realized that Africans were converting but still wanted to use africans as slaves, but the laws in Europe prevented Christians from enslaving other christians. So in order to justify enslavement of the Africans they said africans have no souls to create a loophole which is no where in the bible or church history or any christian sect at all historically. We see a progression of capital greed bastardizing the message of Yeshua. The problem wasnt Christianity it was white people. And I do disagree that North Africa was white. There were white or olive skinned people there since ancient times due to a backmigration event during the ice age, but the black people were always there. Its in the ancient art, the uan mehuggiag mummies and even the discriminated black people today who still live there. But this debate was great thank you to both sides

[@lativida]

Afro Man 11 actually they converted as a political move to align with the queen of England at that time to fight surrounding African territories.

[@halohair1118]

@@lativida that's part of it but it wasn't entirely political. Even so it wasn't forced in them. The conversion was not forced. The king even sent his son to Portugal to learn more about Christianity. But the Portuguese and the current pope were trash

[@maiaHBIC]

Ephesians 6:5 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Ephesians 6:6 - Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. If you’re black and still choose to see this book other than mythology or parables you’re absolutely lost.

[@BooCuzz]

For Jabari to have been studying whatever for 30yrs brother sholl was lacking with the facts

[@akindelebankole8080]

How is that?

[@BooCuzz]

Right! Same tactics many others use Hebrew Israelites included

[@Themagnetic1]

This Osaze guy sound like the emperors speaker guy from the original Mulan

[@TaviRenaeReveiws]

Wish I could have seen the slides. Some of the words and names, I have been unable to research because I don't know the proper spelling..

[@kwadwo9681]

Why was my comment deleted? I just gave an objective analysis as to why I think Jabari won.

[@rodb66]

I guess worshipping so-called ancestors is more important than worshipping God and salvation to Jabrori.

[@kwamemaatranyame-mentuhote9952]

Rodney Jackson you worship Jesus who is a Jewish man , your worship his ancestors “The God Abraham Isaac & Jacob” a Jewish zombie can’t do anything for black people

[@kwamemaatranyame-mentuhote9952]

Matthew 15 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” Matthew 10:5-6 Jesus said don’t go among the gentiles , your not a Jew so Jesus never came for you

[@desmondingram5383]

Been waiting for this.

[@BrianDikasdaybyday]

Scholarship vs. historic generalization and emotionalism.. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Anyways Dr Mason, was brother polite in the building?

[@ENDOxii]

This questions is akin to asking is Santa white or black, it doesn’t matter cause he’s not real. But to answer the question Dr. Bantu says the original monks/ founders of Catholicism (desert fathers) originate in Africa, true. However a painting of one of the founding monks, Anthony the Great, looks to be olive skinned (white by dr. Bantus own definition) also at the time of Anthony the greats life Rome controlled that part of Africa, so it makes sense that they’d have citizens living there and be olive skinned. Roman citizens were also considered white according to Dr. Bantu’s argument. (36:30-37:10). Antony the great was Born in Coma, near, Heracleopolis Magna, controlled by Rome from 30 B.C. - 390 B.C. (Coincidentally when the gospels were written but that another topic) Another supposed founder is at panchominus, Olived skinned as well according to paintings, albeit not contemporary portraits. This debate went way off the topic and was just two men wanting to show people how much they know and i can only expect more of the same from the next debates but whatever

[@flutist218]

Can't hear the speakers very well. And slides would help, too. I'll be happy to help on the next video produced if you want.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Athanasius of Alexandria was called "The Black Dwarf" by his Enemies. Constantine I himself did begin Persecution of Jews or Pagans, it was with Constantinus II his son that began, Cosntantius II was Arian, he was Emperor during the rise of Ezana.

[@AnikaD7]

Looks like only half of the debate was posted. It was at least 3 hours. Where is the rest of it?

[@epiphanyfellowship]

We are posting them in parts. Pt 2 will be up next week. Thanks for your patience!

[@AnikaD7]

Epiphany Fellowship The title should reflect that. This is misleading.

[@rashidabrooks1947]

@@AnikaD7 It's in the description

[@AnikaD7]

It should be in the title. Most people won’t read the description. Again this is misleading.

[@slavell19]

@@AnikaD7 you must feel mr.osaze didnt pair well in this 1st part of the debate? Is that why you want it all released at once?

[@Itistinished]

When is part 2 coming out.

[@haroldbailey9011]

Would Pastor Mason embrace a man who has the opposite viewpoint of the opposite race as Jabari does? Meaning, if there was a debate in which a white man had total disdain for blacks (like jabari has for whites), would Mason embrace him and show him the same respect as he did Jabari?

[@PhillyRealtorPro]

How did I miss this shout out to Kalam El for putting me on. In my own city too. Smh

[@anjenikonmalo6602]

If Ethiopia is a greek word, why is it in the old testament as the name of the country was in place before the Greek dominion?

[@darrenswanson8839]

Ughhh... Pastor Mason calling Osaze "brother" is very confusing

[@haroldbailey9011]

Darren Swanson I agree. At least make a distinction by calling him “my brother in Adam” or something

[@Dreinthemix]

In a Christian context, I agree. But the term is also used among black people apart from religion. But being in church saying it was unclear at best

[@akindelebankole8080]

Why is that confusing?

[@gueshillwharwood8012]

Even though this is a debate, & they espouse lies does not mean that Dr. Mason has to be rude & disrespectful towards him & call him something out his name. Even as believers, we are still called to show honor & respect to others. It's a practical way in which the gospel is on display.

[@kboone122]

Pleasantries is all just out of respect for the young man is why he caled him brother.

[@user-oc3nw5tg9c]

I dont see how yall think jabari lost this round dr.bantu was more articulate but he did ignore the destruction of black civilizations and he just putting a black face on jesus

[@moorevkim]

I would have liked to see the slideshow

[@jknowlden286]

We are living under the curses of Deuteronomy 28. YA'OH (G_d) shares His throne with no one. Where does YA'OH (G_d) say that His people shall become Christians? Ya'ohshai, the Messiah, never told anyone to convert to Christianity. It wasn't a concept for several years after he ascended to Heaven. The title came from gentiles, Greeks/Romans (Acts 11:26). Neither Peter, nor Paul are documented as having converted to the Christianity they pushed.

[@akindelebankole8080]

Perhaps we should abandon the curse-filled text against our people, and embrace our own traditions that lift us up. The retributive system that we have been using against ourselves is certainly destructive to us. Your thoughts?

[@eilsshofar6702]

Who is Ya'oh? And where is it used as the word for GD in the text?

[@wordassassinhebrews4125]

Let Talk about Deuteronomy chapter 28

[@tankofun]

01:06:14 - that happened in the reverse. Thank you... for finally saying it. As the bible says, EVERYONE is a sinner, there is none among us that is perfect and holy. As such, this guys whole spiel has been to paint Christians are murderers nonstop, as if there is no blood on his own hands... nonsense, there is bloodshed among all humanity, all races, all cultures, all languages. If it exists on both sides of the equation, cross it out. Common sense. This gives you neither a bonus nor a malus, you are not pointing anything -- you gain nothing by pointing out the bloodshed of Christians. Christians are still humans, still sinners, still evil... we have not been physically reborn yet, with bodies of glory or light... Thanks for the speaker to point out that the reverse was also happening, I was waiting for the point to be brought in, even if only indirectly, that everyone is a sinner. The other dude needs to stop playing the victim card and trying to emotionally manipulate people to his side... that is unbecoming of a man

[@akindelebankole8080]

Great point that YOU have brought up. My question to you then is, should we then still continue to use fear of hell to dominate and oppress others that do not believe like we do? What should the outcomes of these discussions be? More peace and individual freedom, or more control from one person over another? What do you think?

[@tankofun]

@@akindelebankole8080 the "fear of hell" thing is a misconception. god is "hell". you are darkness, God is light and light is destructive to darkness, Light's mere presence utterly annihilates darkness. Adam & Eve were "glory" beings, beings of Light, but they turned, like you see in zombie movies. If you go back to God in a zombie state, well, you will be reunited with the being which the bible defines this way, among other ways : "God is a consuming fire" or "God is Light". That is "hell". You need to be reborn as a being of Light ("glory"). There is no control mechanism here, there are no laws, no traditions you need to follow, hence I cannot control you by proxy using that. That too is a misconception, that religion is a control mechanism. Actually, let me take a step back - because "religion" is not always religion. There is faith in the gospel and then there is worldly religion, which consists of traditions (do this, dont do that). Only the latter can be used to control people. But the latter profits you nothing with God. In fact, the only type of people Jesus had a problem with and fought against, were the religious folks & authorities... Real "religion" can not be used to control people, because real religion is by grace through faith, without works, its a gift from God, no one can boast... > What should the outcomes of these discussions be? Not worldly profit, as you seem to wish for.... You are too narrow minded, you are only focused on this life, as it seems... there is much more to "life" than the short 80 years you spend here on earth...

[@baphomet8620]

@@tankofun are you still enslaved to the white man's religion

[@markyd0808]

Where is Part 2

[@gospelcentered101]

Markius B comin

[@2680lee]

Why y’all didn’t show the screen

[@harmony3894]

I hope that we may all be truly free, to feel and to think and pursue in prudence our own nature; and be truly appreciative of the world we live in. With much Love for all who seek the truth, the answer is never easy, even when you know the answer it may not be easy to implement. Respectfully I judge that Dr Bantu is using a Moral detachment strategy by disassociating himself with "Immoral Christian History". He is using semantics’, word games, with clever ‘plausible deniability’ and defines Christianity in terms of a "scriptural theology theory" of Christianity apart from its western history. Either way he is advocating a Christian moral character, though practised by sinners, as the sign of Christian orthodoxy. He does this while also denying peoples self-proclaimed Christianity based on what they say or do in the name of God, judged to his own convenience, as he judges their actions as immoral. So perhaps ill make a challenge for Christians to review the following actions and sayings of God, if they are immoral, then hopefully God can be reprimanded as unchristian. 1- God promotes slavery. Colossians 4:1, Ephesians 6:5 2- God promotes infanticide. Numbers 31:17 3- The bible promotes vengeance, even upon the babies of your enemy. Psalm 137:9 4- God promotes the stoning of victims of rape and disobedient children. Deuteronomy 22:23-29, Deuteronomy 21:18-21 5- God promotes the greatest, and most sadistic punishment which benefits no one, eternal torment. Mathew 25:46 6- God says to kill homosexuals. Leviticus 20:13 7- The bible is suspicious of womanhood and views women as their husband’s property. Ephesians 5:22-24, Exodus 20:17 8- God prioritises his own devotion to the cohesion of the family unit or the community. Matthew 10:37. He even asked a father to kill his own son for no reason but obedience. Genesis 22:2 9- God punishes Job, and when Job complains of his suffering, God taunts him by flashing his divine nature in front of Job, and basically makes him take all his words back, because God is beyond criticism. Job 38- see end, Job 42:6 10- God keeps himself hidden, even though he could just end peoples suffering. He also says nothing of the suffering of animals ordering them to be sacrificed to him for at least a thousand years, conservatively, in a gruesome way, and burnt, also He gave them no moral value. Psalm 44:24. Leviticus 11 I argue that an authoritarian religion, is only good for unifying people in terror. It dis-empowers people and disconnects them from pursuing their own moral development in shaping values which promotes their own well-being according to their own terms. I might critique Brother Osaze after viewing the second part to the debate, which I am looking forward to, but ill promote him through my analysis this time because he is advancing my agenda of promoting black cultural consciousness. Love you both for the passion. Dr Bantu, That was impressive, Usually Brother Osaze runs through his opponents, i'm sure you will both bring the best out of each other

[@marquelims7115]

I believe brother Jabari will make a fine lawyer

[@wordassassinhebrews4125]

Excellent video🔥

[@horitesshemsuhor4122]

The priests of Heru in the bible are called Horites=Followers of Heru THE SHASU OF YAHWEH ARE HORITES. WHEN YOU SAY EDOM, ITS BEFORE ESAU. THE HORITES ARE THE KEY TO THE BIBLE. HOR=HORUS + ITES=FOLLOWERS OF HEBREW/HABIRU/ABIRU=HORITES ABRAHAM WAS A HORITE biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-nubian-context-of-yhwh.html?m=1

[@kenb1383]

I would like see a scholar from the HBI community next time

[@KingMjs_day]

HBI lol that’s a hoot

[@wokebut_i_take_naps7795]

this isnt the whole debate it iwas over 3 hrs .

[@epiphanyfellowship]

We are posting them in parts. Pt 2 will be up next week. Thanks for your patience!

[@wokebut_i_take_naps7795]

@@epiphanyfellowship Thanks for the update

[@johntobey1558]

Jabari is way off. Not even close to understanding Church History How do you start a dialogue this way with such a narrow Polemiscist.

[@ReppinChristFitness]

What passage of scripture is he talking about that says the black women is a second class human? 54:56

[@akindelebankole8080]

Simply Google "what the Bible has to say about the role of women". Let me know what you think about what you find. Thank you, A

[@lativida]

I think that this first part has lost its original point. We are descendants of West Africa. Ethiopia, Eritrea, Nubia etc is East African in nature. Therefore the Christianity that was thrusted on our ancestor through the enslavement trade was not our original spiritual path. This is way on the other side of Africa. Yes we might have ancestry there but the Christian Minister needs to be honest..... what Africans in the Western Hemisphere practice is not what he is talking about. Osage was trying to explain how we as descendents of primarily West Africans were forced into Western Europeanized Christianity. The Christian minister was giving us histrionics. Please put up part 2 soon

[@jayhelm9632]

No, it is for not only white people but all people who hear the good news and accept Christ- the gospel

[@GChecker]

Did Bantu say black faces mean domination when rome dominated Greece but couldn't dominate ethiopia? This should have been easy work for Jabari

[@akindelebankole8080]

If you stand back with slightly less Christian bias, you might be able to understand his point of view in a more charitable way. It seems to me that both presenters did well in stating their case. Furthermore, it appears to me that neither one would advocate the denigration of our ancestors. They both seem to be proud black men. As a Yórùbá American myself, I realize many of us in the diaspora do not understand the significance of ancestors to Africans in a spiritual way. Christianity, at least as practiced in the European format, diminishes our connection to our ancestors. And that is the point of Roman Christianity. For everyone to focus on Rome, and consequently divert all attention and resources to it. Your thoughts. Thank you

[@johntobey1558]

Rastafarianism is Sychretism which through Bob Marley spread all the way to Zimbabwe back when it was still White Rule as a British protectorate in Afrikane

[@johntobey1558]

Afrikaner land just north of South Africa's borders.

[@johntobey1558]

No one seems Donald Trump as a Native American. Let him have it Dr. Bantu, this should be easier than Sunday scholl.

[@Rodney-1972]

Wheres the whole debate. This is labeled as Part 1.

[@hassanshabazz6240]

Ar 35 minutes and 18 seconds he useea bizrat ARE nazarati vince bantu sgoud study the origin of the word Gospel. Which was associated whith the worship of emperor. And in pre christain liteture the Good news was when. They would send a messenger. To Announce the conquering of a nation by force See ARTICLE the word Gospel in pre christain literature

[@hassanshabazz6240]

Dr vince bantu contunues to mention bizrat which means Good news i would like Dr banty to refrence the word Good news in pre Christian literture

[@user-cb4yt4sd1w]

Where’s part 2?!?!

[@nicojames3031]

Did 1 so called syrian greek man “ force Christianity to the whole of Ethiopia ? I don’t think so !

[@fabbeyonddadancer]

Master degree in what exactly?

[@ChiefX07]

right

[@horitesshemsuhor4122]

Here is what Martin Luther King had to say.. kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/influence-mystery-religions-christianity

[@kendellingram7337]

Believers always hold tight to their feel good doctrine..... Read outside of religious texts to free yourselves. Peace!

[@rodb66]

Most of us do read outside religious text and has come to the conclusion that God's word is truth.

[@kendellingram7337]

@@rodb66 I respectfully disagree with you my brother.

[@rodb66]

@@kendellingram7337 That's fine. Peace.

[@hassanshabazz6240]

He talks about african Christianity WHAT he does not SAY is that Africa n Christianity practiced. Majuc WHICH would BE. A violation of ACTS Ch 19 VERSE 19. Also deutoromny ch 28 verse 19 and 12

[@musicmuscles8156]

Was Jesus black, white, or other? There’s your answer. The end.

[@kyeijustice1476]

Judge a man by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin

[@TheOneAboveAll_]

Why don't they show the slides

[@artartartart777]

Wheres part 2