Episode 10 - Navigating CIRS/Mold Illness: Tips & Insights from Dr. McMahon

[@rtjfamily]

Best podcast and KZbin channel in the world. The authority with which Dr. D speaks is so calming for people with anxiety and uncertainty about this condition. The way he facilitates discussions with his guests is also fantastic.

[@thevitalityhour1371]

Glad to hear it, this is a vicious, yet treatable illness!!! Empowered not panicked! Thanks for the kudos!!

[@cocoazen]

I totally agree with this, he's the best

[@MrFornicater]

This was very informative! Please do a series on MCAS, as a lot of CIRS patients do end up developing it.

[@thevitalityhour1371]

I wish MCAS was as clear as CIRS, but we'll get it on the docket!!

[@jessmddn]

Loving these episodes. This is so awesome and helpful to share with loved ones who don't get it.

[@thevitalityhour1371]

Thanks!! that's a major reason we're doing them....glad it's helpful...it's such a real, but bizarre phenomenon...a sincere inconvenient truth

[@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth]

Remember my first time going on CSM to get the biotoxins out. What absolutely brain inflammation from hell… now, I take it no problem and passed my VCS Test. Currently attacking Marcons with Xlear. I’ve spoken to some people that cleared Marcons with that alone and Dr Musto stated they are finding success with Xlear. But man Marcons can be tough… sometimes 6+ months

[@thevitalityhour1371]

The most important thing to remember is pre-conditioning with 14 days of anti-inflammatory / immune modulating fish oil at 4200 mg EPA/DHA (2000 mg if current arrhythmia). The same continues during MARCoNS kill as your a rupturing a cell wall (think drawing a circle on paper) and now its a "circle drawn as broken dashes"...The broken dashes trigger your own innate immune system to flare....(known as intensification, not herxheimer as it's not the die-off but the immune reaction to the die off). We only consider cutting the fish oil in half if past clean building, adequate CSM/Welchol and confirmed MARCoNS kill (on reswab from Microbiology Dx, Dr. Musto's lab). We recheck Omega-3 index and ensure anti-inflammatory oils are up and Inflammatory seed oils are down. Glad to hear your progress!

[@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth]

@@thevitalityhour1371 Thank you Dr D :) hopefully afterwards VIP comes next! Question, where do Actinos originally come from? A WDB?

[@thevitalityhour1371]

They have an A(w), the measurement of water necessary for microbial proliferation that is a similar moisture/humidity to molds...I did a talk for CIRSx October 2022 on this and yes, it does seem like pathogenic Actinos first get their start in WDB or high moisture buildings: vimeo.com/showcase/10789391Actinomycetes- The Problem is YOU - "I Dream of GENIE - Volume 5" Webinar, October 2022@@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth

[@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth]

@@thevitalityhour1371 Yup, I’ll never forget that cat urine like smell that took me out. Then they colonize you and stay with you pretty much wherever you go, which requires the special shampoo. Does VIP turn the immune response off to these guys going forward or?

[@drgeraldrapp]

@@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth the cat smell inflammatory response can be the allergy to Scents/Perfumes/Bleach. They fail to mention this with the cookie cutter CIRS propaganda. This model does NOTHING to "cure" the allergy to mold. sell sell sell -- labs, potions and lotions ...

[@bg5760]

Dr. D, you seem to have an unusual grasp of complexity and the ability to communicate clearly and simply…functional! You connected So many unconnected dots for me in this. Organic chemistry not alchemy…science and art plus the ability to see and hear the patient not just plow the patient down with your “curse of knowledge”. Look forward to starting this next phase of my journey with you while I’m still nervous.

[@bg5760]

Ava has been wonderful and so calming to speak with…can’t overestimate the importance of us not being triggered as we walk this path. So props to her and your team

[@ryanholsapple5179]

Love this

[@holylabs]

Your guests Dr mentioned he knew doctors that wouldn’t start their patients on binders untile removed from the wdb. Doesn’t Dr. Shoemaker himself suggest not to start until removed or has she changed he stance on that? I was under the impression that the binders (Welchol,etc) would give you extremely bad side effects if taking while living in the wdb.

[@thevitalityhour1371]

Unfortunately for many patients, dealing with remediation and fixing a home is a process...in the ideal world you remove from exposure and then start binders.....in most instances....it takes a hot minute and you can start CSM/Welchol while dealing with the buildings, but prime the immune system with 4200 mg of EPA/DHA fish oil for 7-14 days to not "freak out" and cytokine storm (a phenomenaon known as "intensification" not "here" as Herx means "flu like symptoms post 48 hours of antibiotics for Lyme/tick borne illness). This way although you still have biotoxin in (breathing in moldy air, endotoxin from sewer gas or Actinobacteria), but at least start biotoxin out (CSM/Welchol) by grabbing the biotoxin laden bile and taking it to the toilet.

[@holylabs]

@@thevitalityhour1371 This is great news for me. I have been waiting until I could get into a mold free place but it has been sooo hard for me to work on anything. My energy is at a negative 7. So thank you. I will prep with fish oils before I start. Can you please explain the bio toxin pathways in the way you would describe to your patients. I would absolutely love to see a video on this even if just a short one.

[@thevitalityhour1371]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJKQoqpvrbh_g7s Mold Illness - Overview of the Biotoxin Pathway with Dr Eric Dorninger@@holylabs

[@annaburns5382]

I have been diagnosed with dangerously thin blood, so I have to be very careful with anything that is blood thinning, such as fish oil.

[@thevitalityhour1371]

If you have CIRS make sure you check Von Willebrands with your provider...acquired Von Willebrands is where CIRS can turn on the inability to form clots.... You're provider can consider resveratrol over fish oil for your unique situation to get the anti-inflammatory effects...do everything under your doctor's supervision...

[@betterhealthtoday]

Around 12:30 the discussion is about fish oil and tolerance. I don't know that I have CIRS but I do have Chronic Inflammation. I did some labwork and one was ANA test and I have a low amount of antibodies. If I eat fat from any source, my body goes into a chronic inflammatory state. I was working with Judy Cho and she had me start with high doses of omega 3. I got severe vertigo and violently vomited. What happens when I consume fat? First things: fatigue, tinnitus, sinus congestion and pressure, nasal stuffiness, shortness of breath shortly after consuming. If I continue to eat fat, what I mentioned continues, also I will get stiffness in my knees to severe pain, gout, constipation, overall weakness, muscle loss, tightness in muscles all over, teeth sensitivity and cavities, hair loss, prostate problems, ED, wheezing (asthma), body fat gain. I've tried many things related to fat digestion, parasite, fungi, yeast and bacterial imbalances but so far nothing has helped. I have to eat a very low fat diet. Carbs cause issues to so I can't eat to high amount of carbs.

[@thevitalityhour1371]

I think it's time to see a doctor who deep dives into underlying causes of diagnosis. When seeing patients with your symptom picture in the past, there is always a Liver/Gall Bladder story as adequate bile ejection (the waste from the gall bladder that breaks down ingested fat) is critical to not have these symptoms from fat ingestion. Time to get to a clinic that deep dives and knows CIRS and fat metabolism

[@sherylpokorny]

Dr Dorninger I think I heard you mention Pyroles on one of your videos. I deal with Pyroluria and was wondering how you recomment addressing that along with CIRS

[@thevitalityhour1371]

Kp's and CIRS are two separate underlying causes with some symptom overlap...strict accordance of the Shoemaker protocol for CIRS....We do B-Complex with augmented B6, zinc and manganese for kp's; both require doctor supervision. We treat to Carl Pfeiffer PhD, MD and Bill Walsch PhD lab levels for serum zinc (110-120 on labcorp serum zinc...NOT RBC zinc) for kp's

[@ElisabethDonati]

I have been in and out of mold, at least two times in my life and just recently had the Great Plains mycotoxin test come back clean for the first time, but I still have a lot of symptoms. I know that you’re usually dealing with mold with these videos which I find fascinating, I’m just trying to ascertain whether the same thing works for Lyme, coinfections, other viruses and bacteria. If the Lyme stuff actually even exists as many calling a rabbit hole. I have many of the clusters, so obviously something is going on in terms of infection

[@thevitalityhour1371]

Sounds like you may have CIRS from the Clusters but this is just a screening...Find a Doctor that is in the strict accordance of the Shoemaker protocol (survivingmold.com) ; urinary mycotoxins do not diagnose mold illness or CIRS and healthy people pee out urinary mycotoxins too. When working with a doc ask there clinic if they are in the strict accordance of the Shoemaker protocol (no bait and switch, fudging or corner cutting); ask if they understand how to support you with clean building.

[@maryr7593]

What about ppl who have mcas (scentitive to all natural and chemical odors as well as gut issues when eating) but have no gallbladder as drs took it out 20+ yrs earlier when it was full of stones. (MCAS pre-covid and pre-vaccine era.)

[@bg5760]

Do you have a mold free Airbnb available near your office? If not let’s get one before July 24th🤔

[@coya4321]

CAn one just do Tudca for the gallbladder?

[@oumed73118]

Appreciate the discussion on how to get the gallbladder functioning but how about those of us that don't have a gallbladder? Is it helpful or counterproductive to take enzyme supplements that contain ox bile?

[@Carol-vx8ru]

Hi I got CAC score of nearly 800. I’ve lost 35kg ,no body fat ,cholesterol is nearly perfect ,good blood pressure ,seen your podcast on waterpicks and buying one tomorrow ,Doc wants me to go on the rosuvet composite pack 10mg +5mg to stabilize the soft plaque ,what’s yours thoughts on supplements like Vit K 2 Natto Cod liver oil Pomegranate juice Aged garlic Thanks Karl from Australia

[@thevitalityhour1371]

you've hit most of our list...we do overnight oximetry to ensure no apnea (and address it if there is) Vitamin D3 to correction (70-100 on US labs) and get 3D Cone Beam CT to ensure no dental issues (failed Root Canal, hidden tooth abscess), etc. The studies on AGE (Aged Garlic Extract) are 600 mg with a meal twice a day. We 3000 mg EPA+DHA per day unless arrythmia and then talk to your provider, but I don't do more than 2000 mg EPA/DHA per day for those with arrythmia. You most likely have apnea or dental with a CAC of 800. Twice brushing, once floor and a water pick essential. Love Auzzie!!

[@Carol-vx8ru]

Thanks for the info ,I’ve done an oats test with tests coming back saying fungi /mould. Had a couple of mercury fillings removed

[@Carol-vx8ru]

Actually what I would like to know from you guys is the best way to stabilise the plaque ,thank you

[@eternity8811]

​@@thevitalityhour1371what is CAC score and how do I assess mine?

[@thevitalityhour1371]

@@eternity8811 Episode 3 goes through Coronary Arterial Calcium (arteriosclerosis) Scoring....get a heart scan (Also discuss on Episode 3) and a carotid U/S...also KZbin the widowmaker for the story of heartscans and how we got so lost in how to identify, prevent and treat heart disease kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYCuo5qVftGNl9E "The Widowmaker Movie 2015"

[@Carol-vx8ru]

So would cod liver oil still work

[@thevitalityhour1371]

absolutely, JUST GET TO 4200 MG OF EPA/DHA...higher quality CLO will show the EPA / DHA levels and if it takes too much CLO relative to Vitamin D levels you can do some plain fish oil.

[@Carol-vx8ru]

Jigsaw brand ?

[@thevitalityhour1371]

@@Carol-vx8ru Any that is 3rd party tested for purity (no heavy metals, dioxins, PCB's etc) and potency...1000 mg EPA is actually EPA...then paying for Concentration....the more EPA+DHA you can pack in a capsule the less you'll hav to take and the more it will cost. MSC - Marine Stewardship Counsel is also nice as this is only harvesting enough fish so the fish populations sustain

[@Silentchatterbox]

What do you use for your patients to get the 4200 mg EPA/DHA?

[@holylabs]

He has said previously Apex or Nordic Naturals. I just ordered the sports Nordic one that has 2,000 per serving. Its has the measurements he recommends as well.

[@Silentchatterbox]

@@holylabs which measurements are you talking about other than the 4200 mg EPA/DHA?

[@Silentchatterbox]

@@holylabs is it the Apex Omega CO3?

[@holylabs]

@@Silentchatterbox I am not sure which Apex one he recommended only the brand. The Nordic Natural is the one I went with. The sports one because it has over 2,000mg. Should ask him though, he seems very responsive on here.

[@holylabs]

@@Silentchatterbox not sure what you are trying to ask me but I think you’re asking what else am I taking for CIRS. I will be starting Welchol next week since that would be my 2 week mark on fish oils for my prep.