Episode 124 - Lt. Col Dave Grossman

Lt. Col Grossman began his career in the Army as a sergeant in the 82nd Airborne Division, then as a platoon leader in the 9th Infantry Division, a general staff officer, a company commander in the 7th (Light) Infantry Division as well as a paratrooper and graduate of Ranger School. He went on to become a professor of psychology at West Point. In February 1998, Grossman retired from the military as a professor of military science at Arkansas State University.
He is the author of "On Killing," an analysis of the psychological processes involved with killing another human being, and "On Combat," an extension of his first book intended to provide coping strategies for dealing with the physiological and psychological effects of violence for people forced to kill in their line of work.
Since his retirement from the US Army, he has been on the road almost 300 days a year, for over 19 years, as one of our nation’s leading trainers for military, law enforcement, mental health providers, and school safety organizations.
Today Col. Grossman is the director of the Killology Research Group (www.killology.com). In the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks he has written and spoken extensively on the terrorist threat, with articles published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Civil Policy and many leading law enforcement journals, and he has been inducted as a "Life Diplomate" by the American Board for Certification in Homeland Security, and a "Life Member" of the American College of Forensic Examiners Institute.

[@adamwagner4029]

I’m here because of the recent podcast with The Team House

[@srsmedic8285]

Me too!

[@liamjoy1369]

Same, wanted to see why he didn’t like this😂

[@johnrecaptcha4504]

speaking of PTSD, my great uncle was a WW2 combat vet, saw a good amount of action in France, Belgium, and Germany. He told me that when he got back, he was stressed out, irritable and all that stuff. He also said it took him about a year to decompress, and get past it. He also told me that a big reason for his relatively quick readjustment was his parents. They sat him down and told him that they saved all his pay, we got a room here for you, we don't want you to worry about finding a job right away, we just want you to relax. Take as much time as you need, travel, stay home, do whatever you like, just stay out of trouble. His parents, being Russian immigrants and having seen dark times were no stranger to human hardship. He said, after a year of not doing much of anything, he took a vacation in Mexico, came back after a month and decided to get on with life. He died in his sleep about 8 years ago. He was one hell of a role model for fathers and grandfathers. Awesome dude. My father, grandfather, and I have tremendous respect for him.

[@silverstar4289]

Tony Hillerman, author of Navajo Tribal detective stories was a WW 2 combat infantryman. He mentioned attending an Navajo "Healing Way" after coming home. It is a ceremony for those returning from battle. An ancient and effective practice.

[@fuckyou1p8r487p93q47]

He sounds like an extremely calm Ted Nugent.

[@jmich54]

i agree - he sounds like a old man from a bygone time that should remain in the past. outdated points of view, baseless opinions and severely biased to the point he immediately rejects any opposing view or nuanced view.

[@ForthcomingTruth]

I was about to say, when did Ted Nuge make Lt. Col. As soon as he said "Bow" it clicked

[@LFreeouf]

Id love to see Lt col Grossman and Jordan Peterson have a conversation

[@ericarmel5584]

He has some good points and I keep listening maybe I shouldn’t comment until the Podcast is done but God damn it’s hard

[@robertrodriguez4879]

I thought the exact same thing. A little David Lee Roth too

[@shawlaqua5282]

Poor Andy. He had to be sitting there thinking WTF have I got myself into.

[@jmich54]

was thinking this the whole time - i like how he touched on a couple things got a retarded answer and completely shifted. leave this old man in his kitchen to polish his guns in one hand, polish trumps/ the nra's knob in the other.

[@thekeystone7963]

Interesting POV. Given the length of the podcast I would think different. I'll give it a go tho.

[@paulperez1928]

This old man is senile, he just diverts every question given to him and brings up something else. He sounds like all his info came from the early 90s..

[@Teddy_______]

And ties look like dicks

[@rockylindgren5885]

​@@paulperez1928that's because it did because Grossman is a pseudoscientist who literally is completely detached from reality

[@KnightsoftheApex]

This felt like watching a chess champion interview a checkers champion. The checkers champion isn't necessarily wrong. He just has a very simplistic view of the world that is largely anecdotal.

[@brettgomsrud3719]

I get it every time someone mentions God or faith instant hate comes there way

[@CaptainObvio]

@Es1911sumware unless he’s interviewing a large enough sample size that’s literally the definition of anecdotal

[@NoEdits704]

Fantastic stuff here. Cleared hot and mike drop are two of the best podcasts out right now. Thanks guys.

[@xprettylightsx]

What are your favorite Mike drop podcasts ?

[@timhuberd25]

Thank you Andy and Col Dave Grossman....I got more out of this podcast than any number of podcasts I can remember ...Thank you Andy for letting him speak, I am enjoying Cleared Hot the more I watch/listen to it!

[@jf5315]

Fascinating listen, thanks Andy.

[@pellmannswife2]

I think there’s more pressure on kids to do everything. There’s higher expectations for young kids, less physical activity during the school day, more academic testing, join a club, take a leadership position, hold a job, volunteer, if you want to join a sport and play on the team during the season, you need to join a private gym and a club team during the off season...it’s at a point where they have to choose academics or sports. I know kids that don’t have ADD but take Adderral so they can stay up until 3:00am to finish a school project. Some kids don’t have a loving, supportive family or even a home to go to. All that stress and they don’t have the tools to deal with it. Many adults don’t have the tools to deal with stress in a healthy manner. Hence why many binge watch Netflix, drink, do drugs etc. They need tools to manage their stress and an outlet for their anger and anxiety. That’s just a few more things to consider when we ask ,”Why is this happening?” My two cents.

[@myrandomlife30]

Awesome to hear you speak sir.

[@jpm7596]

As a police officer since 1999, MANY assaults whether aggravated with weapons or not never get reported at all! The only thing keeping major crimes down is the fear of real criminals that citizens or cops will use whatever force necessary to stop it. (Weapons) It is just an opinion from a street cop...I work in N.C. Keep up the great podcast!

[@jacobelliott9936]

John D good view. I don’t have quite as many years as you (just into 12 years). I have worked in two states in variety of capacities from street to narcs to violent crimes detective and back to the street and have seen laws change. The definition of “agg assault” from state to state is different along with the severity. I wonder what he defines as agg assault?In Iowa it is a misdemeanor with caveats for enhancements to felony. In Illinois it is felony anyway you slice it. It also has drastically different definitions of what meets the agg assault guidelines. I have seen willful injury change to an agg assault defined with certain injuries as well (cracked orbital being lowered as example). Just throwing the term “agg assault” leaves me to wonder what the defined goal is he looking at. Just a thought, great man and I aline with several of his theories but as I get older I push back from some. Stay safe

[@bipslone8880]

No one has done more damage to policing in America than the Pseudo-Scientist Dave Grossman.

[@ZenWarrior5]

Before watching it... I know this one is gonna be fire

[@justinjohnson3324]

Good Job listening and talking with this guy.

[@johnysmoth4208]

Perfect way to start off a Monday

[@danielmarshall4587]

Thank you again Mr Stumpf, and to Lt. Col Grossman another fantastic podcast.

[@LFreeouf]

Great interview! Lets add at 40 mins, that alcohol also disrupts sleep as well which contributes further to sleep loss.

[@jajaarcenio4473]

Impressive guest's insight, this could be archive to re visit to listen.

[@abdullahshahbaz4745]

what about the podcast with mike glover

[@JM-wg9vz]

Don't get my hopes up

[@abdullahshahbaz4745]

@@JM-wg9vz mike glover said this in his video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foS4l4qLi5J2p5I That he just got done with andy stumpf on his cleared hot podcast so i assumed that he would have been on the next video.

[@abdullahshahbaz4745]

@@JM-wg9vz BTW do have a pc so we can play games together [STEAM] judging by the comment we both have very similar interests.

[@JM-wg9vz]

@@abdullahshahbaz4745 unfortunately I'm a PS4 player only.

[@abdullahshahbaz4745]

@@JM-wg9vz k no problem

[@concola3c]

i appreciate your honest interaction with Lt. Col Grossman keep it up

[@GhostHayd3n]

Love this podcast! I wouldn’t be able to push myself to the limits if it weren’t for these podcasts.

[@zap7378]

Kudos to Andy's interviewing skills on this one, I would have been pretty frustrated after the 3rd "golly gee book sold 500000 copies" when asked where he was getting his statistics from. Some good points were made though, sleep especially.

[@JohnSmith-ei6sc]

Lmao at the fact you use the word “kudos” are you a female boomer middle school teacher? You’re certainly a fucking dork that’s for sure.

[@vkov0]

This is absolutely awesome!

[@bretthorrell6185]

Wow this was one of the most informative podcasts I’ve ever listened to. Sleep deprivation is no joke, especially with the whole video game and cellphone addition dynamic.This was outstanding.

[@bipslone8880]

No one has done more damage to policing in America than the Pseudo-Scientist Dave Grossman.

[@strawdawgs78]

Saw him speak when he visited our base in Twentynine Palms circa '06 or '07. Got both "On Killing" and "On Combat."

[@patrickkelly7100]

That was '07. My unit was going through Mojave Viper at the time and went to see him speak at the theater.

[@CaptainObvio]

1:40:45 What' your savings account look like? ... damn that got to me! I knew the podcase would be worth listening to. Thanks Andy!!!!

[@jordanaraujo2579]

This is severely underrated.

[@stephen8612]

Is there an explanation on the intro? Would love to hear the story behind that.

[@theconstitutionalistrto8807]

When will the podcast with Mike Glover come out? Great episode none the less awesomesauce man.

[@Chris-fk1kr]

4x4x4x4 Breathing has stuck with me every since I read that great book on the table. Is it 4x4x4 in the book? either way I read this book in my mid twenties and it changed my life. Very practical breathing technique that needs to be deeply ingrained in everybody's subconscious. Their was something else super powerful in that book. it had something to do with...Damn it's been like ten years.... It was something about impressing on your own subconscious how you will react when you are in that black zone. Something about I will never give up no matter what. that's not it. I'm rereading this great book.

[@richardcastellon7100]

Excellent, Lt Col Grossman, very informative and gave me several things to think about. Great job Mr. Andy Stumpf. Keep making them and I will keep listening.

[@firedad7341]

Awesome...

[@MrTudenom]

You think video games are bad? Just wait until you hear about this new "rock and roll" music the kids are listening to these days, it's the source of all our problems. Seriously though, this guy has a lot of interesting things to talk about, but I assure you that 99.99% of video game playing adults can pull themselves away from the screen in time to avoid shitting their pants. I feel like he's trying to scapegoat all of his personal pet peeves as the source of all modern life problems, but most of what he talks about are symptoms rather than causes. Excessive video game playing, alcohol abuse, and opioid abuse aren't the source of life problems, they are what people do to avoid their life problems.

[@silverstar4289]

Actually he cites several studies and examples to back up his position. He has a degree in psychology also. I don’t know what background you have to support your comment. It is well known, movies, television, culture changes affect violence. Since you mention Rock and Roll as an example of having no influence, I point out that no young people wanted to take the polio vaccine. Elvis Presley took his vaccination publicly just prior to appearing on Ed Sullivan. Youth vaccination rose from five percent, to eighty. That is an example of influence and music. It was a positive influence, but demonstrates influence is present. If you have case studies to counter the influence of media and video games, bring them up.

[@scottwilliams4963]

Not every interview is about eating sand. This is two generations communicating. However...if I had to spend time listening to this woo woo in heaven, I know where I’d rather be.

[@palmersteven0]

59:30, sipping on a bang as I listen 😂

[@sleavitt5135]

Great interview I came out of this with many things to read and investigate. Thank you

[@thefinalgrind]

Ive liked Grossman for a long fucking time. Like the deep psychology behind him.

[@nickmullins2266]

I remember reading on killing before joining the army, but the colonel has gone full boomer

[@censorshipbites7545]

Lt. Col Grossman is truly worth listening to. A presentation he gave several years back explained lack of sleep and its effects; it persuaded me that naps for less than 30 min are worthless (make it an hour or longer, or don't bother). He's got other interesting knowledge to offer.

[@Bredaxe]

Worked in sleep medicine for years and the effects of sleep deprivation are devastating to the body.

[@censorshipbites7545]

@@Bredaxe Studied sleep briefly before dropping premed and experienced sleep loss in the military. I knew sleep loss affected mental function but Grossman's presentation highlighted the speed and severity of the effects of sleep loss and just how soon the body enters a nasty spiral as a result of sleep deprivation.

[@Bredaxe]

@@censorshipbites7545 Also the physical effects. Thinks like weight gain, heart disease and strokes. 70% of all people who have had a stroke have also been diagnosed with sleep issues like sleep apnea, that was left untreated. I'd love to get time with the Lt. and discuss sleep.

[@lerabq]

Please note this comment comes from a person who has read and re-read the Lt. Col.'s books, attended his lectures, and listened/watched many of his interviews. The world is a decidedly better place because of the Lt. Col. That said, I am glad that you pushed back on some of his inconsistent and in-congruent positions. How the Lt. Col. does not see that there is a logical problem with advocating self-reliance (Second Amendment issues) and the "Nanny State" (government control over the video game industry) is disappointing.

[@legolasgrof]

On killing was a revolutionary book. What a man. I believe that it should be mandatory reading for highschool.

[@randallpink5153]

Lt Col Grossman spoke before my Battalion in 2005 before our Iraq deployment . Pretty interesting and intelligent person. However the best advise I ever received before that deployment came from a salty E-4 that had just returned which was " Don't get out of your truck". Much like CPT Willards advice, " Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you were goin' all the way. Kurtz got off the boat. He split from the whole f***in' program."

[@number1squib488]

Certainly some good info, butttt my boy Andy seemed like he wanted to hit the door. Much respect to the Lt. Col. but just wasn’t feeling this one. Keep going!

[@arighteousname5882]

That's cuz Andy smelled the bullshit.

[@steveo518]

One of your best Andy! This podcast with LtCol. Grossman is full of great information!

[@rockylindgren5885]

Lunatic pseudoscientist who hasn't been right on one damn thing

[@wunerwaffles]

This guy sounds EXACTLY like Ted Nugent.

[@eivoilaittaaverotukseen6426]

Where did Andy grab the intro from? The radio chatter I mean? Is it a recording from a real operation or created just for this podcast?

[@Oldjun]

It's real. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5e6pn6pmpd_ras

[@Kymberlee_W]

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[@eivoilaittaaverotukseen6426]

@@Oldjun Thank you!

[@eivoilaittaaverotukseen6426]

@@Kymberlee_W Thank you!

[@xprettylightsx]

@@eivoilaittaaverotukseen6426 did you ever get an Answer to your question?

[@Osvath97]

Damn this guy does a lot of correlation and tries to make it look like causation without any further exploration.

[@jupiterjunk]

@Cleared Hot Podcast Regarding drone operators and PTSD: There was a time where a drone operator had to be a member of Air Force Intelligence. (and could not smoke in the pod) Then the Air Force decided they didn't a AFI in every drone pod, and axed a s-load of the AFI drone operators, in favor for 1 AFI overseeing multiple pods of "vanilla" airmen Given the standards of mental prowess to get into Air Force Intelligence, they (read AFI) were better armored against PTSD. Had the Air Force not changed the requirements to be a drone operator, we would not have as many drone opearators experiencing PTSD, and the pods wouldn't smell like an old ashtray.

[@jeremysmith7374]

Cleared Hot to release Glover episode :)))

[@veritas6466]

"On Paintball Killing", the latest book by LTC, Pseudo Martial Artist. Perfect example of those with no actual experience spewing words.

[@Teddy_______]

I listened to this while playing modern warfare and not killing people in real life.

[@Teddy_______]

2:22:01 Freud would have a field day with this convo 😂

[@Michael_aka_Outsida92]

If a proactive approach was taken more often than a reactive approach, a lot of things could be cutoff before they happen.

[@M0rn1n6St4r]

As I listened, I kept thinking, "It sounds like the Lt. Col. is conflating correlation and causation." Just as I am about to write this comment, Mr Stumpf (finally) says what I've been thinking. One of the segments in the documentary (film), Freakonomics: in the 1990s, correlation between "new" law enforcement tactics and crime reduction obscures the ACTUAL causation. Legalized abortion reduced the number of unwanted childbirths in the 1970s, reducing the (likely) pool of NEW criminals in the 1990s (i.e. many of the next generation of criminals... as well as some victims... were never born). When humans colonize Mars, Lt. Col. Grossman will say, "There's a population EXPLOSION on Mars! I've got the data. Look at the percentage change since 2020. The percentage is a number greater than the number of atoms in the UNIVERSE! It's approaching INFINITY!" :-)

[@NaruIchiLuffy]

Do you not see the irony of following up the correlation does not mean causation cliche with a claim from a film that says legalization of baby murder LiKeLy led to less criminals being born and therefore less crime? Even if the propaganda were true (which it isn't), the ends (reduction in crime) do not justify the means (murdering babies because they might turn out to be potential criminals down the line). In fact, you'd just be creating more heinous criminals (baby murderers and those complicit) and hiding it under the rug through language manipulation (lies). Crime hasn't decreased, communities aren't safer now than they were when everyone knew their neighbors and kept their front doors open without lock. Even after 66 million+ lives were taken through the grandiose solution of legalizing baby murder.

[@M0rn1n6St4r]

​@@NaruIchiLuffy - _Baby murderers???_ Well... I guess if a baby commits murder, the State of Texas will be _the first_ to sentence it to death. After all... competence to stand trial _begins at conception._ If abortion is murder, then miscarriages should require a medical examiner and a police investigation. What was _the cause of death?_ Was it _wrongful?_ Was it an abortion _disguised as a miscarriage?_ Or, even, was it _self-inflicted?_ We need those investigations. I suspect that _fetal suicide_ is far more common than anyone realizes. American taxpayers should _fund a study._ Put our money where our mouth is. Obviously, we have a _duty to God_ to set up a taxpayer-funded program --- for prenatal psychiatric care. Let's get those _fetuses_ the _psychiatric help_ they need! Beware. Today, _abortion is murder._ Tomorrow, _meat is murder._ I shall miss those pork chops. I'm already struggling to find fresh _baby back ribs_ at my favorite... um... "pizza" restaurant. Read your Old Testament (your Torah): 1. Prohibits pork 2. Prohibits mixing meat and diary Babies? No prohibitions. Mmm... sacrilicious. 🍕👶😋

[@averymay2388]

@@NaruIchiLuffy Freakonomics isn’t just a film it’s a widely respected book with peer reviewed data. I’d love to see you back up your assertions with the same level of sources.

[@alek9411]

he is saying hooah unironically

[@wpgraham]

I consume copious amounts of caffeine and don't sleep all that much. I'm in the best place personally and professionally I've ever been.

[@strawdawgs78]

Dude are you still haunted by your encounter with Hannibal Lector?

[@danielk9409]

Wow, How beautiful the contrast between the different opinions of the sheep dog analogy from a believer vs a non believer

[@sharonmarsh3514]

Hi Andy!

[@OneKindWord]

Andy, the 2020 Census claims a total population of 331,000,000 people. Your figure of 360 million was probably a guess before the Census results were released. I believe it’s more than 331 million but I don’t think they undercounted by 29 million.

[@allenjohnson4224]

Yes!!! Well done sir!!!

[@Teddy_______]

43:05 because they feel amazing

[@XRLostCause]

Put a piece of heavy tape over the LED on your fire alarm.

[@fnulnu942]

Guy is a legend .. wrote the Bible on killing and combat

[@viachaslav]

Andy, you exercised an extraordinary degree of patience which also highlights the respect you showed as a guest in his home though he was a guest on your podcast, That said, GOD DAMN. This man knows better, or should. Hell, he must have felt the need to promote all his books he has written and the presidents he has briefed, but that tells me he has rarely been challenged on any of these "serious problems" and his ability to identify both problem and solution. It's obvious he hasn't been put in the any situation where people have questioned him. But the murder rate bull crap he tried to identify does not reflect our country in a dire situation. And apparently the rest of our problems are due to sleep deprivation. It was just sad to see him focus on these issues that he claimed the data shows, but no one has ewve heard of except himI applaud you brother. He was unable to address anything I experienced in 6 tours in Iraq but I am glad you respectfully challenged his intentionally spreading viruses theory and his effort to paint our future in a dreadful light. Kudos to you Andy, now more Tactical A__hole episodes :)

[@Syd-Arthur333]

Calling it now.... this guy is a Tactical Tom Hanks

[@jojoscoot1]

Mr.Rogers with a sidearm?

[@MrVaher]

This was a difficult watch at times. I've seen this play plenty of times. You have someone who rises through the ranks due to being highly agreeable, then once they hit the senior leadership bracket they forget that their opinion=/=fact, and anecdotes=/=sources. You can tell the guy means well in his message, but I can't help but feel like his opinions are largely influenced by some stances better left on the other side of the millennium.

[@JP-bx1qm]

Gosh golly! I didn't realize you could contract PTSD Hopefully I don't contract fecal matter

[@th2273]

Ok I could sit in that room for hours!

[@notthestatusquo7683]

Violent video games already, for the most part, are not available to minors. All games are rated by the ESRB and retailers don't sell M rated games to kids. It's not legally enforced, per se, but that doesn't mean it's the wild west out there.

[@nopenope2184]

Off topic. What happened with Chris Kyle and Jesse Ventura? Is that something that the seal community thought was something, or is it just 2 guys that hated each other?

[@buckkidd2736]

@Es1911sumware SEAL JP Dinnell testified that he saw Kyle punch Ventura.

[@nathanjones7080]

Not to knock Lt. Col too much (I think his point about murders going down through medical intervention is really good. Something I certainly hadn't thought of before.)but, there are also 160 million more people in the country since 1970. This could also account for a significant increase in violent acts simply by having more people to potentially commit a violent act.

[@Ommel195]

The crimerates are almost allways per capita.

[@saisr1]

Read the first book. He discusses how population density plays into murder rates. More people equals more density.

[@OneKindWord]

For a radio show, Grossman sure came prepared with show and tell graphics and copies of his books for sale. LOL 😆

[@blainpritcher6670]

There's a chance this guy thinks folks don't get enough sleep

[@sherlock6848]

Wow, there is a khukuri on the wall.

[@ghostscantkill]

Great interview 👍 Name one reason you would or would not interview Richard Marcinko. And go! Oh yeah I forget. You don't read comments.

[@brettgomsrud3719]

Anytime someone mentions God or faith they get so much hate,thank u for the podcast fellas

[@dylanbuckley6583]

Green shirt for 4/20 haha

[@erikharaldsson6068]

There are a whole lot of comments here saying a lot of shit about Dave Grossman. I've read almost every book he's written and a few of them multiple times. I've heard him speak several times as well. Anybody saying he doesn't know what he's talking about or that he's fear-mongering hasn't had their eyes opened to the real world and what humans really are. "The genius always looks like a lunatic from the eyes of the fool."

[@arighteousname5882]

The majority of the folks that are saying Grossman dosent know what he's talking about have actually killed people in combat. Grossman has never killed a human.

[@erikharaldsson6068]

@@arighteousname5882 There are also huge numbers of people who have killed people in combat who agree with grossman. He's been a soldier and he's a scientist now, not a prophet. Science is a jagged guide not a flawless manual. Produce the data to counter his and we'll talk about the validity of your material. Until then, it doesn't much matter what you're saying. One might also accurately say that if you agree with the "majority" you would be wise to rethink your stance on more things than not.

[@arighteousname5882]

@Erik Haraldsson his Stats used in is book are very skewd and or vague at best. Alot of the data he's collected for his book is also anecdotal hence why he's getting challenged by Andy. Alot of what's in his books reads like some chessey Soldier of fortune magazine. Many vets who have been in combat are critical of his books. That's my data sir.

[@erikharaldsson6068]

@@arighteousname5882 That's a cool story. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I know more than you. I get what you're saying but I still disagree. I doubt you'll be disappointed when I say I'm just going to step away from it at that.

[@arighteousname5882]

@Erik Haraldsson yeah that's what I thought. This podcast just proved it to be one of many reasons why Grossman is somewhat of a crack pot when it comes to writing about killing and combat. He may be a "scientist" on paper but he is not even a "researcher" in the academic sense whatsoever .

[@patcavanaugh4941]

Other than his own books, I don't recall hearing the colonel giving more than one or two vague sources for his data. You got the goods, share them so interested people can look it up. The sources and purposes of the studies are important, and I would like to look into this further.

[@Albertalorian]

Andy, absolutely love your podcast, and love every podcast you've been on. I was really disappointed to see Lt. Col Grossman on here, the very definition of "logical fallacy" in all varieties. I have had to deal with his video game blaming rhetoric for 20 years now, while the real issues causing bullying and violence in youth; are overlooked for hysteria and spectacle. Good job on holding the line, but hopefully you can avoid such individuals in the future.

[@jacobwynn9555]

But there have been studies that show the relation to violent video games/movies and violent crime. They cheapen human life and when someone is killed in a game there are no consequences and they begin to feel that way in real life.

[@dawnkeener9836]

@@jacobwynn9555 If you have parents that teach you right from wrong and that its just that a game and not real life...then your children don't grow up being killers because of games.

[@maestrosmmastudy6495]

@@jacobwynn9555 If you are going to cite studies, link them. Plenty of studies show all kinds of correlations that aren't informative.

[@joshw7974]

@@jacobwynn9555 Everybody plays video games now, or has. So how do you show a rise in violent crime from video games, when violent crime as a whole has been steadily declining?

[@sw96]

​@@jacobwynn9555 Those studies exist solely to paint violent games/movies as an easy scapegoat in the wake of tragedy, for every single one of those "studies" you can find dozens of others that refute them with ease.

[@jram6042]

Interesting perspective and I appreciate you not making your podcast an echo chamber by bringing in other views that may not align with the circles you normally run in. I do wonder akin to his argument on medical technology suppressing the "actual murder rate" if we would have as many violent acts with people understanding that those acts would/could have a more severe consequence. So to flip it has medical technology increased our propensity to violence because we "assume" the victim can just go to the doctor and get sorted out, no big deal.

[@Law9652]

This is in 480p. Really.?

[@Law9652]

@Maryland_Patriot410 If I am watching it, it is.

[@Law9652]

@Maryland_Patriot410 So first off it's all about the words; but now the video quality becomes relevant. Stop flapping ya gums.

[@jacobelliott9936]

I maybe reading into this a little deep but looking at Andy’s body language and his reactions to the Lt. Col. speaking, he appears uncomfortable. Andy’s is keeping and open mind but I feel he disagrees with most statements made. Past practice to judge future predications, agree 100% but what lens you look at the world makes up how that view is judge.

[@arighteousname5882]

That's because Andy has been in combat and taken lives. He knows when people are bullshiting like Grossman is. I sure the Col. Means well but he's way off in his booner logic.

[@SebT00]

"It's a dick" - Lt. Col Dave Grossman

[@dawnkeener9836]

Andy I gotta give you props on this...keeping your cool. Every time you start to make a point he cuts you off and dont let you finish. I found myself telling this guy(out loud) " let him Finnish!! This dude would be ok if he would realise others my have a different point of view than him...when someone may go to a different POV he interrupts and goes back to his POV.

[@dong4176]

This guy is a bit of a fear monger ... glad Andy is checking him

[@chuckjack2168]

Grossman is way overrated. This is what it looks like when an actual combat vet challenges a theoretical warrior.

[@dong4176]

26:00. “ If 20 to 30 people slap on a tourniquet will cut murder in half in this country” Lt. C Grossman...... you don’t need to be scholar to see the bullshit in that statement ...that’s why Andy ask for the study or the data and all the retired colonel does is manipulate data to fit his narrative

[@50TNCSA]

Grossman I think I may still have his book though it's full of misinformation based on the Marshall studies

[@southbound141]

I don’t want to take a single thing away from The LT and I will not. How can someone who’s never actually been under that type of stress and has never taken a life, truly know and understand it? The stress of a super bowl seems very different to me then to be fighting for ones own very life. I’m curious in what people have to say about this. Not to be a comment of hate or of bashing, merely curiosity.

[@zachfabian1886]

secrets of mental marksmanship is $80 or $263 on Amazon lol. must be good secrets

[@What_is_the_truth]

Interesting, I never seen that side of Grossman…when he is pressed on the studies he seems to get a little defensive and grandiose as to say, “I am an expert listen to me because I am the expert.” Very interesting.

[@shawlaqua5282]

This is a man fueled entirely on his our exhaust.

[@randysearle2702]

Hahahaha i laughed

[@StoneXue]

This guys numbers are off. He is either misunderstanding them or misrepresenting them. The murder RATE is not up, raw numbers are. Raw numbers will always go up. Its directly relational to population growth. He is an odd duck. He makes many mistakes that anti gun people make when talking statistics but he tries to come to a different conclusion with the same mistakes than the anti gun people do.

[@coachkota1774]

Andy has never lost a game of bullshit

[@dailyswithdave]

Ok... you mentioned this in a FDF episode as being a difficult podcast for you to get through. I'm like 5 mins in and this guy said the stress of playing a sport (making millions) is equal to the stress of combat. I've never been to combat but I've played plenty of sports (and at the time the most important games of my life)... I'd venture to guess that the butterflies before the game started (the ones that go away and it turns into excitement, laughs and smiles) are NOT the same as if I were going into combat. Just a guess. That statement was laughable.

[@ericarmel5584]

POK I’m done I can’t listen anymore

[@dylanbuckley6583]

Just put this one down to experience and move on Andy. I assumed he wouldn't have been as crazy as well, based on his books at least.

[@jamesstewart8258]

Uncommon Intensity is not equivalent to insanity.

[@jm-jx8xt]

This guy, who l read his book On Killing, is speaking as if he was at the Hanoi Hilton for ten years in solitary and Andy was his first chance to let it out. I like Andy's commentary. I tuned in to this guy to try to glean insight about On Killing. My friend Bill is a 1966 combat vet from Vietnam. He was very critical of aspects of this book. Yet, the book was referred to me by a Devgru Silver Squadron member. So, I wanted to hear him. Sorry, its not on point to anything. And NOT Andys fault. Col Grossman: brevity is the soul of wit

[@davidbutler1857]

Had interactions with Grossman many many years ago when his books started coming out. Same old sheot. Censorship and bullshit.

[@kingedwardtitus7624]

Dude, not a myth, everyone of the shooters were on psychotropic drugs, there are areas where I will never trust psychologists or psychiatrists. Drug junkies. Dad gave me a .22 rifle when I was 11. NRA class, Boy Scouts and gun safety classes and lots of camping and some range time. No psychiatric drugs.

[@nickswenson4845]

This dude really said only 1 school shooter was on heavy prescription drugs. It's scary that people like this reach so a position of authority in our military.

[@nickswenson4845]

@Maryland_Patriot410 yeah I understand that, he still got to high leadership positions in his career. The lens in which he views the world hasn't changed much in his life.

[@SHINYxCHROME]

Can we get Epstein on next?