Episode 37 - Narcissism

The myth of Narcissus constitutes the archetypal root of the character structure of narcissism. Aspects of narcissism run from the healthy developmental narcissism of a child to the toxic narcissism of the psychopath, but all have in common a lack of empathy, whether momentary or chronic. We offer some thoughts on how to tell if you are in a relationship with a narcissist and what to do about it.
The Dream:
My ex-wife moves back in together, and then she starts belittling (me) like she used to when we were together, which I don’t like. After she does it a few times, I determinedly tell her to move out, and then I remember that she moved into my house, not the other way around-I don’t have to allow her to stay.

[@klightlightmusic]

Narcissus becomes “enraptured” (captured by) his image - the image is in the water, which is constantly moved by the elements, so that the image is always coming in and out of reach, of clarity, and there lies the curse. “As long as he does not know himself” - no relating -

[@KellenAdair]

4 years old and unbelievably few comments for such a popular topic the last several years. That's unfortunate!

[@NickBatinaComposer]

That being said, ive noticed that it comes from both over-caring and under-caring. They construct the false self, in the case of under-caring, to perform the same emotional validation.

[@c.s.102]

I actually think it's both and the way of care and genetically predisposition. 2 of my sister's (7 in total are to me narcs)

[@ntobekososibo2042]

LOL at the one dislike being quite possibly the narcissist who thought their invisibility cloak was impenetrable. I've had so many moments listening to these podcasts where I looked up in pause wondering if I were listening to agent who'd read a file on me from a time no one could possibly know about. The satisfaction has mostly come from receiving some type of confirmation that I wasn't crazy or "wrong". This is further elevated by the ensuing advices given by you guys that help to respond/react more appropriately in the future. Thank you so much for the contact and I'm hoping to be able to contribute to your cause in the future as thanks.

[@edgreen8140]

Sense of self should be internal as we intrigrate the + and- in the ego w/o splitting.

[@karlpoppe7192]

Thanks for the interesting conversation!

[@michaelhason5310]

Definitions of narcissism are all over the place. Confusion with many other things. “It depends on how you define it,” from the video captures the pitfalls of the term. Of course there may be a few persons who fit the bill. “A profound lack” of...

[@edgreen8140]

Conversational vulnerable narcissist may show a puer style. Or puella style. Empty shell and deficient in many ego functions. They take to little responsibility in life and if antisocial features will steal, cheat on anyone. They deserve because their entitled. But their entitlement is a defense against their defense their dependency on others. Very often imposters.

[@col.hanslanda2013]

shut up. narcissist is narcissist they dont have like hundred different types.

[@edgreen8140]

@@col.hanslanda2013 when you study it you learn the intricacies.

[@edgreen8140]

Study more than jungian method.

[@edgreen8140]

Only able to see themselves as o.k. through the eyes of others f60.81. . they do have aspects of dependent personality and extremely codependent as they need others to view themselves as o.k. When the rage their shadow is seen and how they expoit others. Has a facade of sweetness but exhibits a lot of entitlement. Bpo kernberg, Masterson. Interpersonally exploitative.

[@Dischordian]

57:15 escape from the childhood of narcissistic parenting 1:00:00 role of dreams 1:00:23 Time scale of real life in dreams

[@GodspromisesRyes]

My question is can the same person have a sway back and forth between moments where the narcissist with hurt those around them like objects to break with no care for them and other times or times of life where they seem their best and act with empathy?

[@thisjungianlife]

If the person is malignantly narcissistic the change of behavior could be attributed to the shift of value in the other person. If those around the narcissist can be used as part of the "narcissistic supply" they will temporarily get attention. If the narcissist is in a less pathologic range their ego can shift away from the narcissist complex and be better related at times. Thanks for your question ~ Joseph

[@NickBatinaComposer]

As a kid of narc parents, yeah, they can sway, from our perspective certainly. It’s not a sway though, it’s calculated months and years in advance, but manifests in an instinctual way, which seems spur-of-the-moment. If you were to give a child the masses of intelligence that comes with age, what would happen? They would certainly use their childish emotional structure to maximize their adult needs, and their adult emotional structure to maximize their child healing. It’s a messed up situation, and I’m assuming that if you’re even thinking about this at all, it is absolutely happening in that problematic person. It’s really over-prevalent. The stats about it are off, narcissism itself is far higher than diagnosis rates, good luck getting one into therapy unless they’re rather mild lol.

[@c.s.102]

They have people supply on the shelf for different kinds of supply (read hurt) . If you are in the sphere/realm of a narc be aware you are one of the shelf in that area of supply. It be basically means your not special at all (sorry) to a narc. They are sooo beyond. special. Get out ASAP

[@edgreen8140]

Mahler wouldn't be happy w the parent making the child become x because the parent wanted to be x and failed at it.

[@wendyrussell4191]

The dangled carrot gets all the attention too, like a narc

[@c.s.102]

There is no carrot only the stick

[@larsltz1326]

What if you have a malignant narcissist as a parent, especially as a mother?

[@Alex-kk8is]

I was waiting for them to say parent, but nope. A whole other ball game

[@c.s.102]

Go no contact

[@edgreen8140]

Superficial charm.

[@KellenAdair]

Petty and shallow. Callous and sadistic. Stupid and selfish. Criminal psychopaths, sometimes.

[@peterdegrandis4630]

Fifteen minutes into a parent-child distorted emotional relationship, and the word emotion hasn’t been mentioned once --an unusually superficial discussion for a Jungian intellectuals

[@TheRedBeard82]

Could I speak with anyone

[@NickBatinaComposer]

It’d be possible, assuming you can speak out loud. Maybe not with the folks in this vid lol. But people in general? Yah sure, I think u could!

[@kaylaschroeder1]

@@NickBatinaComposer (😂)

[@banzobeans]

13:33

[@Healing_Oaks]

So distracted by that clicking sound in the background unfortunately