Episode 4: Concrete pour on ICF room | Building a Barndominium from start to finish

[@joemeyer6876]

You should give props to Jason and his company for his patience and staying til the jobs done.

[@superrdddego]

I mean he's getting paid no matter what so yeah lol

[@robertevans6481]

I agree...

[@drewt9829]

The concrete, the pump, and the labor should be paid for by the concrete company and an apology should be forthcoming along with the name of the person who is replacing Kevin. I hope there is a competitor watching this who would like to share this video as a marketing tool to increase their business at the expense of Chisolm concrete.

[@kenwhitney9146]

Good luck getting a concrete company to pay for anything. Like dealing with the mob

[@fredericrike5974]

@@kenwhitney9146 From a retired "big city" sub contractor; sometimes there is no "like" to it!

[@kenwhitney9146]

@@fredericrike5974 from a mid size retired suburban city sub, same thing. The situation that happened in this video happened to me only on a much larger pour. Several short and hot loads, but we were pouring a form system that was very accurate in dimension so hard for a mud company to fight. Hence, after some fight with the company and no support from govt agencies we prevailed and I live to tell the story! LOL

[@fredericrike5974]

@@kenwhitney9146 Part of what gets me is that there really is a very good living even in small job contracting, doing the jobs well and honoring your warrantee, first by doing the quality work you sold and then backing your work. Yes, I lost money on a few jobs- usually to idiots like Chisum, or buying materials with out doing enough homework on the seller. Glad you are still with us!

[@WallStreetBeggar]

We had a company like there around here. I had 2 trucks and a clean up, 30min spacing. 2nd truck came 40min late, clean up came 2 hours late. So I ended with a cold joint, I had to pay all this extra hours for my finishers, and pumper. The problem is I had to explain to my clients why we had a cold joint, and had to clarify to the engineer why we had a cold joint. When we finished and they called me for payment, I just told them to eat a dick. Never paid them. Even then I had to eat the cost since clients were not thrilled about the pour even though it was getting cover...I mean completely understood. It's suppose to be new and it looked like shit. I would've been even more pissed if the Engineer was going to be a dick and said the concrete was structural and they didn't want a cold joint there, would've had to eat the demo cost. The company probably overextended themselves. Cause our clean up was the same driver as truck 2. So literally the reason why it was 2 hours late was my 2nd truck had to go back to the plant, drive through traffic, get loaded, then get stuck in traffic again to come back. This wasn't even a last minute, I need a small clean up truck type of deal. It was ordered as 2+, so they knew I needed 3 trucks that day.

[@praiseyethelord7121]

Talk about a violation of a contract! It is discussing how some companies just don't care. The owners have no respect for the business if they allow this type of customer service. If there is a problem beyond there control, then they have the obligation to tell the customers. Congratulations on getting the pour done! I never saw a safe room done. Thank you for the video.🤗

[@txcombatmedic]

Pump company “Who’s supplying the mud? Oh its Chisholm? Nah, we don’t have pumps available that day”

[@samt5663]

quality quote here!😀

[@DevinHeaps]

A cautionary tale about working with inexperienced or incompetent material suppliers. When they supplied crushed stone instead of pea gravel and more water instead of superplastisizer, they violated their agreement of the installers. Luckily, it seems like the installers were competent enough to work around the concrete supplier’s foolishness. Hopefully, they didn’t screw the mix design up too much.

[@dmadere1]

Lol that is one of the reasons I am no longer a GC, dealing with idiots everyday takes a toll!! Good recovery Erik!!

[@daddyg5654]

It's the same reason I'm no longer in IT...it seems the idiots are grossly out numbering those with common sense and decency.

[@dustinmeier9753]

@@daddyg5654 That's why I'm going for Cyber Sec. Lock me in a room somewhere and don't let people speak to me... Perfect career.

[@FloridaManConstruction]

21 years in and praying to be done in four more. I remember when this shit was fun...

[@BigBlockSpence]

Thanks for protecting people from crappy suppliers. Glad you called them out.

[@jaystell314]

Preseverence...-you made that work! That kind of incompetence would test the patience of Jobe!

[@joeholland4144]

Erik, thanks for posting the good, the bad, and the ugly about this job. I learned a lot. As for payment to Chisholm Concrete, pay them 66% and tell them you intend to file a small claims action with the evidence you have. It may take a couple days, but they’ll clear your invoice, especially when they know you’re well represented!

[@gungadinn]

Somehow when the bill from Chisholm came in, I'd lose that sucker for a long time. In your defense, since you were using a 6 inch ICF, it's easy to prove that you didn't receive 10 yards of concrete, didn't get the pea gravel and it wasn't delivered anywhere close to the contracted time. Find out who the owner or big wheels of Chisholm Concrete is, and make sure to send them a link to the video. They might have enough complaints against Kevin, to allow him the to look for employment elsewhere.

[@fredericrike5974]

Sadly, their reputation is likely already in the weeds and they don't care- the business sells water, sand and a few chemicals at a fraction of what they actually cost- companies go out of business often enough to pick up late model, low hour cement trucks at less than half new cost. Just send Chisum a bill for all the "wait time" labor they added to the job- they won't pay it, but send it by way of a billboard on the road to their plant. A little expensive for a one load job, but Ken Whitney (above) got it more than half right! Erik, for you it sounds like an investment opportunity- a company that could bid and do high level concrete work, concrete included!

[@benhillman4691]

In 1930s my Grandpa Edsel dealership went broke...he built a 50x30 shop from concrete blocks and made each one by hand...that shop still stands 90 years later.

[@stuartholden2652]

Kudos to Jason and the rest of his crew for sticking with you and getting the job done. The concrete company doesn't deserve to stay in business if that is the type of service and product they deliver. If I was the owner of that place I'd fire everyone and start from scratch.

[@richardbowles7690]

Great video. Has it all: drama, nature, practical instruction and more drama.

[@joeschlotthauer840]

Sue, the video documents everything....

[@louellen7271]

Wow! I can't imagine staying that nice after that fiasco! My hat is off to you.

[@MichaelLloyd]

Wow... I'm impressed that you were able to finish this part in spite of the concrete company.

[@BuntMeister66]

Wow, the hellish days of contracting, and small towns with minimal supply coverage makes building at their mercy... and it looks like that cement company needs to make a few changes. I've been building in SoKal(Commiefornia) for over 35 yrs, getting out soon.. Thanks for publishing this video, it's going to make me consider more things when I get building in another state...

[@fredericrike5974]

After Cali, contracting in most states is a breeze- get a permit, get your inspection, fix it as needed and move on. It's almost that simple- and most of the "paid inspectors" are housed with three hots and a cot.

[@kendavis8046]

As a retired guy with an actual economics degree, I personally approve of the "supply" and "demand" description that you used, then corrected! :-) EDIT: My late mother was actually born in Leakey! Small world indeed!

[@PlainStraightShooter]

I will be passing the word on Chism and it will travel like it will with you. Nice set up on this ICF deal

[@pacificdynamicbuilders4380]

Batch plants are the same all over the world I think! "wheres the truck?" batch plant "coming"!

[@butopiatoo]

lol you worry about your job?.... man now that's customer service. Great little example ICF project. Thanks for posting all of this. You have a ton of patience. (and he vibrated it... I bet it was stiffer than 7 slump). Wow Eric, man you are calm for having to deal with all this. Props!

[@niveknospmoht8743]

Wow talk about a challenging day

[@MrKevins39]

My name is Kevin I've been in concrete for 21 years. What that other Kevin did was despicable, that company should pay for any overages for the delays. Unreal disgraceful Good job in the end for the on site crew. Sucks they had to be there all day

[@Robbievigil]

What a day, hopefully you went home and enjoyed the rest of the evening.

[@REDMISTINTHEAIR]

if everyone was as awesome as you are the world would be a better place.

[@BoBo-SpackleMunkey]

Erik- I've been following you guys all year now in preparation for some projects we have coming up. Your vids have been a tremendous help in getting up to speed and being informed on the whole process from start to finish. When you started this ICF build this is exactly what we are wanting to do with the Barndominium / shops / Hangers we plan on building here in Central Texas. We are going above and beyond on the construction specs and energy efficiency. We are hoping to be able to team with you or some other top shelf contractors that know how to do all this the right way with no short cuts or excuses. Look forward to talking with you in the near future. Keep up the great work!

[@lonestarbuildblock6434]

Erik gray job on the video. Enjoyed working this project with you. You all are a top notch organization. Look forward to more.

[@LilYeshua]

HRWR. Concrete truck drivers love it. Concrete companies always take more orders than they have trucks for especially when they're extremely busy. Hench the wait. Same thing happens in the Charlotte NC region. Concrete truck drivers hate that because they have to run long hours and extremely busy without any time to eat lunch,no breaks,no time to catch their breath,much less use the restroom and have barely enough time to rest at home. Concrete dispatchers. :O Looks like you got hot concrete.

[@vansage2691]

The struggle bus ran you over backed up and then took off on that poor. Glad you showed the struggles and I know it took a lot before voicing your opinion.

[@TexasBarndominiums]

😂

[@lbarney56]

That's one heck of a cement company! Unreal! Glad you and Jason could do something with what was delivered. God Bless You All!

[@jerryebner7582]

BBB and you got a video with proof of this workmanship of that company.

[@robertroth1042]

Patient man my friend ! 🙏🏻

[@ricbailey170]

Contractor nightmares. Gezzzzzzzzzzzz

[@robertshemory3541]

Free advertising can't beat that.

[@jonny555ive]

Even bad publicity is good publicity.

[@ronalddean4834]

Great job Eric all professions have companies like this. It's ashamed to one can ruin it for everyone. Thanks for sharing

[@dekebell3307]

It's sounds like Chisum isn't worth a damn, I'd have been pissed. Kudos to you for keeping your cool sir!

[@exanhighlander6236]

Hope the inadequate material won't cause any issue in the future. Great job to you guys for handling each "unnecessary challenges" with a cool head and huge amount of patience.

[@bvfdfire1]

we have that short load problem all time also. i realize that you usually need 2 extra for the pump to prime, but you should have had that covered.....it could be that a small portion of it could be explained by the limestone rock, different density rock has different weights, and they may not catch it at at the plant with their feeder calibrations, and from what difficulties you had, that could be a big part, but its easy to sit here and armchair preach, and you did make the best of a bad situation. my hats off to you sir!! stay safe......

[@buildingenergywise5336]

SCIPs (Structural Concrete Insulated Panels) on require 1" to 1-1/2" of concrete on each side of Polystyrene core. Less than half the concrete and can also support a concrete roof. Totally insulated concrete Box. Then add a roof!

[@michiganengineer8621]

Go over the billing for Chisum, if they bill you for 10yds, with the plasticizer and pea gravel I'd be tempted to take them to small claims court over the discrepancy.

[@jameskotsch8271]

sorry you had to go through that, wow I could never use a company ever that cares so little about quality and the customer

[@Mcfryguy5555]

Looks good, I think that special mix thru them off...

[@kpatrickolivier2705]

I was a GC for 30 years and about 11 years ago we did a test to see if there were shortages on concrete trucks and here were the results - we formed up two 3'x3'x15' forms with no type of reinforcement inside and ordered 10 yards of 4500# concrete. When all was poured out, one box was full and the other one was about 9-10" from the top. So we figured they came up about a yard or so short of their order. When we brought the company rep. out and checked things out his answer was (Get This) That there is a nationwide shortage allowance that the concrete companies get. Well after a few short min. of really nasty words and threats they only charged us for 7 yards. I called it 3 yards of hush concrete.

[@TexasBarndominiums]

“Hush concrete”. That’s funny.

[@jamesc7383]

What a nightmare.....Why wasn't the concrete truck sent back once it was determined the wrong mix was delivered? Did the ICF guy not check the mix when it arrived?

[@jonny555ive]

That's what I was wondering also, Because when I do a pour the mix IS THE FRIST THING YOU CHECK. Seems like a BIG ball was dropped on this whole job. What a nightmare is right.

[@michaelbrennan7148]

Thank you for posting. Erik you got the job done. Nice work

[@matthewhelton1725]

Wow, talk about leaving you to swing in the wind. Glad it worked out in the end... but it made for a very long day.

[@michaellambie8427]

Crazy times

[@MrMrm1994]

I’ve always wondered myself, am I getting the full 10 yards that I paid for? Concrete trucks should have a flow meter installed that monitors this. These have been used in other applications.

[@luemn7691]

Crazy how those boards on the foam are strong enough to hold the lid pour.

[@briarus1000]

makes for a long day. sucks when folks either don't know how to do their jobs or don't care to do them right. hope the new concrete guys will be sharp and hungry.

[@chadanddyson6200]

I highly recommend Whitley Dozers!!!

[@joeparker7508]

Nice salvage off the job

[@holysmokeDC]

Say eh! Nothing like "Free Advertising for Larry's Concrete Co".

[@Adam_Gray]

Thanks for getting Jason to include the concrete mix design used in this placement application. The HRWR super plasticizer 3000-4000psi along with the pea gravel aggregate will ensure this placement goes smoothly without compromising the integrity of the project. Thanks for "Non Impressive" review of Larry Chisum construction/concrete services, which if under any type of contract, would result in hefty back-charge for delay cost regardless of the size of the project. Big Tom Callahan said it best: "Of Course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butchers word for it." **I'd be willing to bet Chisum's scales, gauges and hoppers at his plant aren't calibrated or certified if the yield shortages are that great.**

[@jasongreene89]

Being that they poured the entire wall which calculated to approximately 6.5 yards (without door) and managed to get enough off the truck to finish the job (9x9 cap @ 4" is 1 yard) I would speculate that the supplier had a bigger job going that had demanded the entire fleet and had ordered a load (8yards) to much. That would explain the hot load of the wrong mix more so than the scales being off by some 20%.

[@Adam_Gray]

@@jasongreene89 Lol yeah, you think? and I bet the drums on his trucks has caked-on concrete inside them too.

[@shephusted2714]

boom that is all done - you will have the place done in a week but it is going to be rock solid - the safe room is really overkill - a good look at the process - now you know what to expect the next build will go so much faster - i would have tied in the roof a bit more but it is fine - conduit for all the elec is nice - you have to post your impression after the next stage on this build #icf

[@joanward6306]

That is so so nice.

[@chasereid4109]

good man these kinda people deserve to be named and shamed will maybe teach them some accountability

[@martyplunkett7011]

I agree! You should post their name and a warning every day for a month!! Great job anyway Eric, God bless you ❤️

[@mikkelraakjaer]

holy smoke, being in the trade my self (mason) i know how frustrating it is to getting delayed... You kept your cool way more then i would and agree 100% dont ever use those guys again, full of excuses and cant even deliver

[@easyricer]

I've been to Leakey hundreds of times. Wife has been bugging me to move down there (I'm in Mineral Wells right now). One of the biggest issues I've had down there were some of the larger business' owners crude attitudes. It's a shame; such a beautiful little town, corrupted by the few...

[@tiah3180]

Oh wow! I totally understand that , we had that trouble with a locate concrete company where I live. About 3 yrs ago, oh excuses is an understatement. The guy wasn’t happy. But we finally got it. That was north driving, they tried on second driveway on the south side, but that one was way larger then the other. But they got done in by that evening. I had to leave next day really early to go to my sisters house for thanksgiving early that weekend instead of on thanksgiving day. I had told one of my coworkers to just come over and remove the boards. They did that at least while gone. The same guy who did the first one did second and he set the second one up, instead. Probably why had better. There two companies and they had worked us in the schedule because of all the highway work around our area. Crazy!

[@wilkinsoncarpentry6278]

What a day , I had anxiety watching, god knows how you got through the day, I agree with shaming the company as you first went to sort the problem with no success, you have a great contractor there with Jason and what a bloke hey, he kept his cool (on camera anyway ) haha .....

[@pebkacz]

Name & Shame is about the best you can hope for from such dodgy suppliers. It’s a big call Eric but the only call given your uncalled for act by the supplier. Greeting from a wet Australia 🇦🇺

[@sailorddg9877]

Dang, that was a nail biter. I was all tense from this side, I can imagine how you felt out there. Your Professionalism stands out.

[@AusJackal]

Erik... you have a lot more patience than me... 🥊

[@tomscott4723]

Just another day at the office for Eric, my hero! No concrete company employees were hurt while filming this segment, I don't think? haha

[@steel7302]

i remember doing a block job that we had to fill tubes in the walls with rebar and concrete with pea gravel. we mixed it on site so one guy on the ground mixing dumping in a 100 gallon steel trough and setting it up on the scaffolding and me and another guy running (yes running) with 5 gallon buckets of concrete to fill these tubes with a chute setting over the tubes in the block work. that was a ass beating that day

[@4philipp]

That seems to be my problem too. Every time I need a professional, I get lousy work/service/knowledge. So frustrating

[@armanieric1]

You guy's should look up the Perfect Block ICCF concrete blocks. Way better than and easier to use than foam blocks. you guy's should make a barndominium with IFC

[@freebird7284]

no wonder you been away so long, incompetence is hard to deal with.

[@bettymaverick1098]

Sorry you had to go through that experience. It reminded of most of the service men and construction done on my houses. I was feelin the pain. I hope the limestone doesn't weaken the structure. The owner may be wanting it redone if he thinks it does.

[@cntslesfabrication]

I have never seen you put a company on blast but you had every right to do it. That's absolute bullshit they will learn when no one will do business with them anymore.

[@georgedeedsnotwords2162]

Let all the little people stand up and let their voices be heard , hope that business feels the cost of treating one costumer bad . For he knows thousands and brothers stand united . I wouldn't use that company if their is a branch in Michigan .

[@6-4fab53]

How can any company operate like that?!? WTH!!! I'm sure you have helped a few people in that area avoid a disaster! In my opinion... UNBELIEVABLE!!! Keep up the awesome work Eric! You are quite the problem solver! As a business owner is! Great job! I always enjoy watching your videos! Stay safe down there! Dan @6-4_Fab Glen Rock, PA.

[@oscarjr2679]

😂 huffy puffy kevin

[@tr3slech3s]

Square footage of living room/ kitchen?

[@romaniniguez329]

Only a concrete guy can understand eric at this moment I here you eric

[@mjones3305]

I think that mixer driver dropped some of his load at a friend's house, or a regular customer greased his palm for those 3+ yards. Then, because of the crushed limestone and the "detour", his mud got hot on him and he dumped some water in get the slump right just before he got to the job. You can't get lost for 3 hours and magically show up with the right slump, especially in Texas heat.

[@whskywolf]

Definitely no way to do business, but I worked for many years for company that sold controls to Ready Mix and Central Mix plants and many of the older plants was held together with bailing wire and always having issues and they would be critical of our product if something was not working right, but we corrected the issue the best we could to compensate for their plant equipment.

[@jonathantalley9754]

Man, that's frustrating. I've been there. Regular folks have no idea what goes into construction.

[@atozrecovery518]

So with all the bad concrete is it still rated at 250+?

[@robertevans6481]

That company "Sucks" when he told you" you worry about your job" that is the nail in the coffin....later hope you are ready for the backlash...i would have been pissed. When time comes to pour the other,get the new company's driver to pass by them and blow the horns. But props to the guys for sticking around.

[@opendstudio7141]

How many days notice did Chisholm Concrete have available to gather the necessary materials? I would venture to say that 30mm pea gravel is a pretty rare bulk item in that part of the country.

[@PoteetStrawberryville]

04/30/22 👋🏼🍓👍🏼 Excellent, Except the Cement Company, Thanks for sharing again!

[@larrystaas1940]

Make sure to report them to the Better Business Bureau.

[@markroper9269]

Great video! But WOW!!! It was a shorty load by a lot, they used crushed gravel instead of pea gravel, didn't have enough water on the truck, they were three hours late, and hung up on Erik(one of the nicer contractors I have seen). Boooo. Way to hang in there guys!!! Hopefully nobody looses money on this pour! Great video!

[@joeparker7508]

The walls get what grade cement, vibrator, watch out,

[@18twilliams]

That concrete Co. needs put out of business, no way to treat a paying customer! That's how it works! You do a shitty job you are out! Good on you for having the balls to call them out! Might have saved someone a real heartache in the future!

[@barrylitchfield250]

Thanks for the heads up about the concrete supplier from hell. Almost like they planned to screw up your job from the get go.

[@waleedismail8023]

Can you build a house housing ICF

[@harolddouglas4057]

Definitely!

[@mikestevens3247]

Yes. Check out "Pure Life for Living" you tube channel.. They used it for their foundation.. As far as using it fully for walls, i'm sure it's just for foundations

[@harolddouglas4057]

@@mikestevens3247, ICFs are not just for foundations.

[@jedigoof1548]

It can be used for walls, foundations and floors/ceilings. Talk to your subcontractors first though, it’s much more difficult to do your lighting and plumbing and might cost significantly more than a wood or metal structure.

[@chris2956]

Yes. Matt Risinger spotlighted a home in AZ with the outside walls made of ICF. It was a really big one too.

[@gmathis4829]

What are the Dimensions of the Safe Room, once it's completed?

[@henryD9363]

If I understood right, it's the concrete company that has to follow the orders for the mixing. Like pea gravel, the amount of water and other materials. If they're so ignorant and don't-give-a- damn about finding out where a truck is, I don't trust they would provide the proper mixture in the first place.

[@henryD9363]

Damn! I wrote my comment halfway through the video. Now find out there wasn't enough water and didn't have pea gravel in it. I wonder if they put the other chemical in there to help it flow. What a bunch of fuck-ups. I'm glad they got the free advertising they deserve.

[@joeparker7508]

Will cement comp.pay for pump truck

[@TexasBarndominiums]

No

[@BlenderRookie]

Yo Larry, "come on man"......

[@lazylizard6532]

ICF walls, but a plywood roof? Seems like a huge difference in insulation. Why no foam for the roof... unless yer spraying it on later?

[@joanward6306]

Dont put by any power towels.

[@ciprodriguez]

what do you think something like this would cost to ship to North Pole Alaska and could this be winterized? ITS THE LAST FRONTIER BABY

[@chevy0771]

That concrete company is the worst then. I wouldn’t never use them at all. There terrible.

[@MrBest-mr2my]

Questions Will the crushed limestone effect the strength Also You said just adding water wasn’t good but sounds like they added a lot of water on site is that gonna effect the strength or anything

[@jaredjunek1944]

I see that the number of Google Reviews for Chisum have increased tremendously since this video was uploaded. 🤣

[@Bear-Ur2ez]

I would show this video to every social media i could think of and report the concrete company to BBB and any other reporting agencies i could come up with. Apparently they are making there money crookedly or they wouldn't be able to stay in business . And you must of paid extra for the crews over time and pump truck. So the concrete company would be in court paying for that time along with breach of contract. Being over 3 hours late / forcing you to except crushed limestone instead of pea gravel you ordered and paid for.