Episode 53: Hawaiiki-The Te Arawa Canoe (Part 2)

[@victornikora2857]

Great stuff! Take’s diligence to research all of this Thank you.

[@rn6045]

I don’t think Māori realise how groundbreaking this information is. It could literally change the way our history is told for years to come. Thank you for the great video.

[@gfreeman9843]

@justinsmith143 a lot of oral history must have been lost following colonisation.Key orators and tribal historians losing their lives. Same with aboriginal Australians. A real shame.

[@tommcg7564]

In Aotearoa, we are the tuakana. In Hawaiki, you are the tuakana. Thank you Te Arawa relatives for your humility.

[@keokikahumokukoa8832]

In Hawai'i our Mo'oku'auhau (genealogy) also connects to Aotearoa. We share many similar people in our genealogy, like Olopana (Koropanga) and Lu'ukua (Rukutia) who were both Hawaiians but because Olopana wanted more for himself, he left with his wife Lu'ukia to "Kahiki". The word or rather placename "Kahiki" in Hawaiian doesn't necessarily mean Tahiti, because Hawaiians knew of Polapola (Borabora) ect. as being seperate from Kahiki, which meant more of "distant land". Wahieloa (Wahieroa) and Kaha'i (Tawhaki) is also other names in Hawaiian genealogies as being born in Hawai'i. Aloha from Hawai'i🤙🏽

[@vajeye-nar6172]

Your example of different pronunciation but same name happens all the time. thinking ive come to a dead end in my search just to realise its always been right in my face but just a different variation of the same name Lols

[@Aaroniusnz]

Mahalo brother

[@jsamuel4576]

This has just blown me out of the water. I am nga puhi and te arawa. My great x2 were arranged. We have never been able to find our whakapapa

[@vajeye-nar6172]

Omg you just made me understand my lineage a little bit more. THANK YOU

[@lylepainting2256]

Awesome Mahi brother wife and i have watched all your videos but these ones about Hawaiiki are next level keep up the good work looking forward to the next episode Kia ora from the Far North

[@kiwicodger]

Glad you are enjoying the channel!

[@gfreeman9843]

The Tahitian that Cook took with him to Aotearoa could understand the Maori and acted as an interpreter I believe. ....

[@gfreeman9843]

@brakyosaurus no..Cook was a master navigator and knew where NZ was from Abel Tasmans records.

[@gfreeman9843]

@brakyosaurus Cook didn't need to have visited NZ before..he just needed the longitude and latitude.

[@gfreeman9843]

@brakyosaurus nah..

[@ricklaw7633]

Now this has really got my full attention ! Well done team.

[@kiwicodger]

Cheers Rick. Hope everything down there in level 2 is exceeding expectations!

[@ricklaw7633]

@@kiwicodger sure is just arrived in Oxford, remember when you both next down I owe you lunch :)

[@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa]

OMG this is blowing my mind!!! Thank you so much for your kōrero with Jean Pierre 🙏🌟👏🌟🙏

[@joeyclark3995]

Thank you Kiwi Codger, Justin, and. Jean Pier. This is Phenomenal. I've been buzzing & couldn't wait for episode 53 after watching episode 52. Absolutely fascinating! I knew after watching episode 52 that the island of Anaa would have strong connections with the Te Arawa canoe because of their traditions & reverance in regards to sharks. I remember the Te Arawa canoe was renamed in remembrance to the shark that guided them to NZ after the crew survived that great storm at sea caused by the Tohunga of the Canoe. After watching this I plan to visit our Tuakana in our ancient homeland. Oh yeah, Ruterangi what a spin out. That just blew my mind when heard that. Can't wait for the next episode.

[@kiwicodger]

Yeah, its fascinating stuff. Justin and Ngawai have done a great job. Ruterangi or bust!

[@melissaannmagee27]

Sharks lol thats bs lol

[@miriareu]

I am happy this came up on my youtube feed. 🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@fletmok3548]

Interesting to note in Rarotonga there is the village of ‘Ngatangiia’ which is also where the so called migration fleet departed to Aotearoa. My whakapapa is through Te Arawa, Mataatua, Tainui and Takitimu waka. I am aware of Te Arawa connection to Raiatea, Tainui connection to Aitutaki and the Mataatua connection to Mauke.

[@vainekeanguna7572]

Ngati Tangiia is also a tribe on the Island of Rarotonga, Tangiia was the ancestor who bought the waka Takitumu to Rarotonga Cook islands

[@markberghan2975]

This is all great korero. I believe it lends further credence to finally abandoning the notion of a "great fleet" approach to the settlement of Aotearoa. It lends itself more to a settlement that happened over multiple generations, from multiple departure points. That there is whakapapa of Polynesian people already being here when the tupuna on our more familiar named waka arrived is further evidence.

[@gfreeman9843]

That's fascinating to think there may have been groups of settlers over many generations, sometimes coming into conflict?? Probably knowing human nature almost certainly.

[@piribroughton]

Ka rawe hoki 💯...me mihi ka tika ki a koe e te pāpā mō ngā whakaaturanga nei. Miiiiharo! Mauri ora

[@originalclaymoreboy728]

There's also a tribe of people in south american and the caribeans called 'Ta Arawak' 'Arawak' or just 'Arawa'. Their could also be a connection there.

[@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa]

🤯

[@andrewwright9064]

They where ocean going people too 🤔. They had similar Vaka/Waka.

[@KanakaBae]

Yes, and place name "Haiti". They have Taino and Arawak Indigenous peoples. Something to think about

[@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa]

@@KanakaBae whaaaat.. Now that is amazing!!

[@KanakaBae]

@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa absolutely 💯 I read that the word comes from "Ayti"/"Ayiti" meaning "mountainous place" in Indigenous Taino dialect. I found this interesting after reading about a couple of Maori tribes having similar names. I'm fascinated by these common place names. Java in Indonesia used to be called "Hava Iti", and in Papua New Guinea, there is a place up in the Highlands (not Austronesian territory) called "Ava'iti" (Eastern Highlands). The locals there believe themselves to be descended from a serpent being and his human wife (sometimes can mean a foreign husband). There is a story of how their surviving son ran to his father crying "ara raku takutaku" after his siblings were murdered, thrown into a fire pit, and I swear it sounds nothing like their local dialect (a Papuan dialect) There is a place their ancestors drew water from and it is a hyphenated form of "Maui". There's a lot more to this, I know. But I'll have to ask the locals.

[@SEAQUEST-R]

Amazing to come across this discussion. Sacred Taputapu'otea connects so many in Polynesian Triangle! Blessings to Te Arawa Tuorangi of Rotorua (Kuru was a host when I was a grad intern there in the 80s).

[@OtaraCowboy685]

Awesome Mātauranga shared in this topic. I can also concur that it was much easier for me to converse with a Pa'umotu speaker as most of the sounds in Te Reo Maori already exist in the Pa'umotu dialects, compared to Tahitian and Cook Islands Maori, which is still possible to understand. Definitely needs more exploration. Great research done by Justin Smith

[@kiwicodger]

Thanks for sharing! Yes, you can't help feeling that there is a lot to learn from the Tuamotuan's!

[@irianscott1062]

Horouta=Takitimu. Same vessels according to early comments. The Uruao is one of the earliest migration waka/pahi, even before Kupe. Rakaihautu was the takata, and his son Te Rakihouia the navigator. Toi and Rauru also stem from these ancestors.

[@houseofkaine]

Kia Ora ehoa, Im from Manutuke and our Waka Horouta is buried in the swamp at Muriwat ten minutes up the road....it resurfaced during an earthquake in the early 50s, it's still there and the takitimu is buried in a cave down the south island...the Tohunga came other the Takitimu and none of their names are on the crew of the Horouta Waka...I have the names of the Horouta crew because we are from that lot. Just sharing our korero to you in Aroha 👍🏽❤️😁

[@dboy5273]

wow so awesome thank you for your hard work

[@kiwicodger]

My pleasure!

[@shariscanlon3937]

Ngā mihi Kia korua mo tou Mahi rangahau! Could you please answer this... Is Aotea Waka Te Araiteuru?

[@new.Creation.In.Christ]

Tuhourangi is our hapu here in the village of whakarewarewa and i want to know who's this chief of Rotorua he speaks of because as far as i know there is no one we consider our chief..

[@koobie83]

Wow that was amazing. Am I wrong, but did I actually hear them match their whakapapa to ancestors in Tahiti?

[@kiwicodger]

I think it was ancestors in the Tuamotu Island of Anaa, that whakapapa may have extended to Tahiti.

[@vainekeanguna7572]

The ancestor's of Rarotonga also migrated from the Tuamotus

[@vwxyz0002]

Fascinating stuff and quite conceivably a very important link in history. Hopefully, if it is not already the case, the historians in "the islands" will be stimulated by your conversations to create an indelible record of what is being revealed. Very interesting was the information on the creation of special groups whose sole function seemed to be waging war and who appear to have made a separate voyage, as a group, to New Zealand. This leads one to wonder if, in fact, your earlier posting about a "warrior gene" is correct and the "Spartan" group had warrior activities so embedded in their culture they could not leave their old ways behind them and played havoc with more peaceful tribes who simply wanted to get on with their family lives? Another great effort that leaves you sitting on the edge of your seat waiting for the next episode.

[@kiwicodger]

Cheers Onslow, more jigsaw parts have been added, where they fit...who knows. The reasons for coming to NZ was to escape the constant threat.

[@gfreeman9843]

​@@kiwicodgerand the reason to leave for the Chatham Islands...

[@Xtn1Insecticide]

Yes interesting after my comment on the first vid in this series that mata-atua and te arawa are the same double hull split when in Te Ika O Maui. Also very interesting how similar Te Atuamatua is to Mataatua

[@bradkamo6663]

Moriori large water vessels called Pahii too. Interesting korero

[@philliplambert769]

Ae the Parata Cult is a a religion based on the Parata Shark. There are many islands called Parata. Remember though the korero of Tainui and Te Arawa being sister waka and in some versions were lashed together. Itll be good if they had that korero. The Pahi korero is interesting the tohunga Ngatoroirangi of the Te Arawa Waka went back to Hawaiki to fight Manaia the son of Uenuku on a war expedition from Aotearoa on the waka Totorakaria. Te Arawa waka was not a Pahi but a Waka Hourua as descibed in its first name. Tuamotu also has a Taputapuatea. I have quaestions around their cosmology and esoteric knowledge. of the whare wananga. Irirangi Tialiwa qoutes a korero of the star directions of the 8 Hawaiki as given by the Paramount Chief of Ngati Pikiao in the late 1800s - Iwimokai. Itll be good to see if they have similar korero and if it lines up with the direction of the Tumotu Islands. Raimona Inia does an excellent job in bringing to light new korero on the Te Arawa waka in his book "E Oho"

[@kiwicodger]

Yes Tainui and Te Arawa have other stories around them. The one of who arrived first and the anchor ropes is interesting. The historical truth of things is difficult to determine. This episode just adds more pieces in a never ending puzzle.

[@hayzIsherwood]

Nga rakau e rua pumaatahi o Atuamatua

[@no1dqueen]

Great to hear the korero from the whanaunga o Ngā Tuamotu. I have never heard of a Ngati Tangihia iwi in Rotorua however. I wonder if he means the uri of Tangihia from Tuwharetoa?

[@kiwicodger]

You have a good point there, I need to research Ngati Tangiia in Rotorua and find out why that name is not unbiquitous..

[@truthjustice9840]

Mean brother done it again !

[@kiwicodger]

Fascinating eh!

[@korowheke8729]

Tangihia was the brother of Ngatoroirangi and also the name given to his son (first child born in NZ). Ngati Tangihia is an old hapu that became part of Ngati Rangitihi

[@reflectingtrees6173]

I am addicted to this korero My Dad's side: Father my koro = ko Takitimu, ko Moumoukai te maunga, ko Waikerepu te awa, ko te Manutai te whare kai, ko Tahaenui te whenua, ko Kaitamure te waahi tapu, ko Ngati Rakaaipaka te hapu, ko Ngati Kauaha te whanau, ko Ngati Kahungunu te iwi Nau mai karanga mai haere mai My Dad's: Mother side my Kuia Tamatekapua Kahumatamoemoe Uenukumairarotonga Whakaue Tutanekai Te Tupara Tehingawaka Maunga 👈 my kuia the best that ever lived.

[@reflectingtrees6173]

So many nga ingoa I miss out on my Kuia side, just too many to write.

[@PapaBaush]

@@reflectingtrees6173 I was going to help you with that by email but saw your second comment. Puritia tohou whakapapa ki tohou poho kia ita, kia tapu, tē raweketia

[@hayzIsherwood]

Na Tuwharetoa ka puta ko Tutanekai

[@KoIwiArts]

Tangihia, Ngāti tangihia belong to Ngātoroirangi whakapapa. But he may have settled or fueled up in Avana ki Rarotonga before moving on. A region there called Ngāti Tangiihia he has a pā site there. Do you have a email sir

[@kiwicodger]

Interesting...yes my email is [e-mail]

[@tommcg7564]

Tangihia was a son of Ngatoroirangi

[@KoIwiArts]

Aē

[@brycepardoe658]

The Parata could explain the Māori warrior culture & why old school Māori were much more militant than other Polynesians.

[@kiwicodger]

The Parata remind me of the Spartans, dedicated to a military way of life. We think of the Pacific Islands as a Utopia, that they were not. Human nature is a bugger of a thing... still its all we've got...

[@azzag2414]

I've been told all our dialactual differences can be found today in the Tuamotu islands

[@kiwicodger]

Some University needs to get interested. It would make a great doctorate study for someone. Might have to wait for Covid though.

[@ta_iiki_e5888]

@@kiwicodger with only facts would be nice... no made up stuff like in our past 200 years+

[@infusednaturally]

Te KoroKoro o te Parata

[@PapaBaush]

@@ta_iiki_e5888 hmmm…ok

[@ysnsteez]

Guys watch peter marshs documentary called skeletons under the carpet, it talks about ngati hotu and waitaha, i think it fits extremley well with these videos specifically if youre trying to figure out where each of our waka and iwi came from

[@ysnsteez]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfCmqF9hNqVe8ksi=7N__YtI-vDUmEoNx There is a part 1 and 2

[@Papawolf-i3b]

don't infect this program with rubbish

[@ysnsteez]

@Papawolf-i3b what exactly did I say thats rubbish?😂

[@hearteyhonkii]

I wonder if the missing canoe could have ended up in the chatham islands.. the moriori people could possibly be descendants of the missing canoe 🛶

[@LanceHaenga]

Divine intervention

[@jasonhohaia9631]

You have Maori and then theres Tangata whenua. both are not the same...Maori are here by way of migration, and Tangata whenua originate from Oneone.

[@kiwicodger]

I agree, Māori migrating canoes found people here, but they effectively colonised and absorbed them.

[@Kace6855]

@@kiwicodger I thought there was no credible evidence of pre-Māori settlement ??

[@fletmok3548]

Hapuoneone

[@gfreeman9843]

​@@Kace6855even with out evidence it still seems likely? The Maori still had ocean going capable catamarans when Cook made it to Aotearoa so I think the y still knew their way around the Pacific. Fascinating,they were probably still making long voyages away from Aotearoa.

[@chelsienapa4148]

There was over 200 vaka

[@FreePalestineAotearoa]

Tama Te Kapua was Ngati Ohomairangi 6 generations down from Ohomairangi

[@kiwionarope]

Has any DNA testing been done of these people? This would help immensely in connecting the dots.

[@kiwicodger]

Not sure if any DNA analysis has occured but agree that that would be fascinating!

[@kahurautao]

te parata

[@SCATTEROWNS-qj7fh]

I am te arawa 2 shah

[@melissaannmagee27]

Lol Tamatekapua is my great x grandfather your talking about! Direct blood here. Lol. There is so many liars...some of your facts are incorrect! Cheers for your story

[@larrydorset5883]

Ae,Kei te mihi, koianei he whakaaro no iho,ehara nei he whakaiti,he ahuatana i ki mai nei no tou tatau whanauna.ka nui te whakamana tena.Kia pai tou ra e te uri mareikura o Haumaitawhiti.kia tau te ranimarie.

[@piribroughton]

Lol.... what lies? Be specific! Or you are just being a hōhā...

[@MichaelCherrington]

@rn6045 nobody needs to know about your little things

[@cobsnyper]

Bro you better be speaking truth on our coulture not disrespecting it by sharing false info

[@kiwicodger]

Always happy to correct anything I got wrong,...which parts do you have trouble with?

[@hohepaparaone6567]

@Justin Smithyou pakeha love to think they know more it's your ahuatanga. we call you know-it-alls. you missed a lot when you were talking ova the bro from anna. if you knew our stories, as well as you know our origin you probably would have understood a lot more. go get a Maori who has some knowledge to awhi you. te korokoro o te Parata. is an important korero that most waka that arrived in Aotearoa brought with them. you totally missed it because of being a know-it-all. It was because of pakeha and colonization we no longer have this information. so to come across as the savior is a little off-putting. i love the korero and the awesome journey. but bro you need to remember why korero is lost. kia tau te Rangimarie

[@Aaroniusnz]

@Justin Smith ngā mihi nui e matua！ A lot of the information you’ve shared lines up perfectly with the info my Tupuna handed down. I’ve only recently discovered it so it’s very reassuring that it matches up with this. Arohanui!