S2 E2: Māori: The First 500 Years | RNZ

When the Tahitian Navigator Tupaia arrived in Aotearoa with James Cook in 1769, Māori and Tahitians had been separated for at least 500 years, and in that time a lot had changed!
In this episode we look at:
How Māori arrived in Aotearoa.
How the first few generations seem to have lived.
Evidence of Aotearoa’s “first capital city” at Wairau Bar and the role it may have played in early Māori society.
How the extinction of megafauna and a cooling climate seem to have triggered major changes in Māori ways of life.
Why Māori had different lifestyles in different parts of Aotearoa.
How Māori traded re For more on this subject and settled disputes.
How the end of the “little ice age” seemed to trigger more changes in Māori ways of life.
For more on this subject:
Tangata Whenua: An Illustrated History by Atholl Anderson, Judith Binney and Aroha Harris
The Making of the Māori Middle Ages by Atholl Anderson, Journal of New Zealand Studies ojs.victoria.ac.nz/jnzs/artic...
Māori - Te Ara teara.govt.nz/en/maori/page-2

[@gordonbennett7980]

My family and I are really grateful to live in such a great country.Thanks to all the explorers where ever they came from

[@vanidge]

If only they had videos like these when i was at school, I was always really bored of NZ history when taught in a classroom, these videos are great!

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Thanks heaps. I guess we're never to old to lean more!

[@philipmairs3831]

How are Māori indigenous when they immigrated here too

[@eeeaten]

@@philipmairs3831 look up the definition of indigenous in anthropology

[@eeeaten]

@@philipmairs3831 google the definition of the word "indigenous"

[@neillewis785]

WELL They don't teach the truth anymore in schools ,thats for sure .PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ some of the books they have to read in the school libriaries Remember Jizzina was caught removing 300 books from the libraries {the truth} of NEW zealands history.

[@ahorrell]

Not sure you guys are correct about Tupaia... Banks brought him on board, not Cook. Cook wasn't super keen on having him. And Banks brought him on more as a curiousity as a navigator. Of course Tupaia soon showed his immense talents and became crucial to the journey. As for the reasoning, Banks wanted to learn from the scholar/navigator/priest, but Banks also wanted to keep almost as a pet when he was back in England. He said "I do not know why I may not keep him as a curiosity, as well as some of my neighbours do lions and tigers." It was very weird.

[@AperaRangatauaPai]

Where you there?

[@headswillroll5394]

@@AperaRangatauaPai were you ?

[@fergusbyett8088]

This is fantastic, thank you!

[@PaulLMF]

What a brilliant resource @Wim. Superb job. Like others have said, I wish it was around in my day and I've learned a lot. Look fwd to watching other eps. Btw, you'd look good in a Spad or Se5a. Take a Friday off one day and join us on flugpark :D

[@reuben1464]

Mean series... I'll definitely have my tamariki and whanau watch these. Kia kaha,Kia Maia, Kia Manawanui e Mani e te rangatira.

[@nadinemerilyn5629]

This is a fabulous series, thank you so much. I assume there is not funding for this, but it would be great if the closed captions were officially written rather than automatically generated, or if there was a link to the transcript. This would be particularly helpful for some of the names. Ngā mihi nui and keep up the fantastic mahi!

[@kjmax1068]

Thoroughly enjoying this history. Choking with laughter at some of your comments 😂 Makes history fun to learn

[@gregpember1680]

I listened to all the episodes on my earpods now im gona have to watch it all again on here lol thankyou guys. Really opened my eyes and now i want to learn more

[@ex_orpheus1166]

Had Cook and Tupaia not made contact, it most certainly would have been the French. Jean Francois D'Surville captaining the St Jean Baptiste was said to have come within close proximity of the Endeavour off the coast of Cape Reinga as the latter was rounding it, although both were unaware of each other at the time and he was unaware of the Endeavour voyage. Marion du Fresne might also have made it a couple of years later, although he did meet Cook in Mauritius before sailing on into the southern ocean. I think doing an episode on French contacts with Māori could be worth the effort, as both groups of French have the most detailed accounts of pā construction prior to the Musket Wars.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Yeah that's an interesting idea. The thinking is that Surville and Cook passed within 20-30 miles of each other without knowing each other were there. Surville's crew was struggling with scurvy and they didn't stay long, before heading east to South America, where Surville died. So he didn't get to tell his story. But yeah adding in Pompellier, Akaora settlement etc and the French influence would be interesting.

[@stephenlennon7369]

@Damon Manda The problem with your theory is that Maori were people orientated and you needed to develop a personal relationship with them like the British Missionaries did with Nga Puhi Chiefs during early contact the French didn't have that particular connection like the British established and the French first contact ended nefariously. When interpretation of history you need to put yourself in a nineteen century lense and remember NZ was all native trees how could the French or Dutch take ova this country without meeting the locals or any resistance?

[@korowheke8729]

My tupuna liked the french, thought they were very tasty - you can thank them for scary the French colonist awau too

[@tugreenaway9448]

China saw the explosion of tongariro....

[@user-rm6qx8zi6r]

this episode was one of my favs thanks

[@RavenMeer]

I am really enjoying your presentation and information. Good to learn more.

[@caindonovan5916]

Loved this episode! Looking forward to watching the rest ✌️ Liked and subscribed

[@elliedixon1160]

im so happy this media is coming out

[@grantmercer8708]

You overlooked the canabalism and the taking of slaves particularly after defeating an enemy Canabalism and slavery were rife in Māori history

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Hi Grant. We cover those topics in other episodes, especially the Musket Wars ep. "Rife" is a bit strong as a word to describe cannibalism but it was a feature. People were taken captive and held against their will, but slavery was very different from the sort of plantation slavery in the Americas and there's no record of trading humans as property.

[@mjanny6330]

@TheAotearoaHistoryShow "it's different when we do it" lol

[@user-oh4yd5uh4e]

When did they do the first ram raid?

[@AperaRangatauaPai]

@@user-oh4yd5uh4ewhen did the white man steal our land

[@AperaRangatauaPai]

Why does that make you feel better about your ancestors stealing our land

[@samthorn3727]

What animation software do you use? Love the mahi

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Cheers. Chris Maguren is the talented animator.

[@user-oh4yd5uh4e]

Aroha the mahi

[@Aritro77]

Well that was bloody good...

[@lousallik4496]

This is funny asf😂😂😂 Nga Puhi Nui Tonu!!!

[@geofflewis8599]

..Tupaia's comment to Cook and his companions ..''take care for yourselves, for these people are not your friends..'' Cook's diaries and those of his companions are available on-line, read the circumstances for yourself.

[@mjanny6330]

The massacre of able tasmans crew was still fresh in their cultural memories.

[@TheKalihiMan]

Tupaia wasn’t there to save Cook on his final voyage to the Hawaiian Islands. Even after all he had been through, he made the mistake of attempting to kidnap and ransom the aliʻi nui (the highest ranked ruler of the island) which ended in a fight and his eventual death.

[@geofflewis8599]

@@TheKalihiMan ..Cook was regarded as the fulfillment of a prophecy by the Hawaiians and treated as an atua. But he left and his ship was damaged in a storm, he returned for repairs. The Hawaiians could not understand how a God could be stopped by a storm, they had a change of mind and murdered him on the sea shore.

[@IsraelTangaroaBirch]

We've been here a lot longer than 500 years.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Hi there, I'm guessing you haven't watched the video? The episode is about Maori's first 500 years in Aoteroa, currently estimated to have been from around the late 1200s. The 500 years we're talking about runs until the arrival of the Endeavour.

[@mjanny6330]

No you haven't brother. There's no shame in it.

[@someotherfella5763]

Some evidence points towards nz having inhabitants before Christ

[@reflectingtrees6173]

Nice little story you got here. But the true story is a far superior story told. Tohunga, in the old ways pre te reo Māori, will tell you everything. Archipelago we all come from. The island of the nga Ariki. The island of the nga Toa The islands of the Tangata Wairua nui. Wisedom of the Universes.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

As I'm sure you know there are many origin stories. These are but some but come from thoroughly researched oral histories.

[@josiahforlong4963]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Hi, what exact credible verbal research evidence is there? Thanks

[@damnnative3188]

@@josiahforlong4963 Watch the video again 🙄

[@AperaRangatauaPai]

@@josiahforlong4963what’s ur evidence

[@brendanryan6740]

sooo good ...pai tēnā

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Thanks Brendan!

[@mikepau1593]

Polynesians have been in this whenua a lot longer than your research suggests. Maui, you, kiwa, to name a few, were all here way before those waka migrations, just declaring that.

[@eeeaten]

The earliest evidence of humans in aotearoa is 1250-1275AD.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

@@eeeaten Yep, those are the consensus dates at this time, though a few say first arrival could have been as late as the early 1300s.

[@eeeaten]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow I’m looking at bunbury’s dates from nov last year, with the north island settled 1250-1275 and the south 1280-1295. Do you have information asserting a later date of arrival?

[@mjanny6330]

@robintamihere4550 cool debunked theory from 1903 you got there lol. Copy paste articles from websites aren't exactly the best sources to base your opinions on lol.

[@TainuiaKid1973]

@robintamihere4550Kia ora, can you provide links to the webpages you found the information? Seems like interesting reading. Ngā mihi.

[@greenhawk6839]

This was really good. I had been thinking that it would be great if we had a show like Crash Course but for NZ History, and this is exactly that kind of thing. I would like to know what the source of the "Māori tools in Australia" claim is though. Seems like it could be liable to misinterpretation.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Hi and thanks for the question. One of our lovely consultant historians has an answer for you... Best source is Atholl Anderson's Tangata Whenua. In chapter three he covers this... I can't paste the screenshot in here but the text includes: "Norfolk Island settlers may have continued westward and perhaps fetched up in Australia, as several adzes of East Polynesian type have been recovered from the coast of NSW". Anderson is drawing from the work of W.W Thorpe: ‘Evidence of Polynesian Culture in Australia and Norfolk Island’, JPS, 38 (1929), pp.123-26. Hope that helps!

[@eeeaten]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow very interesting and seems likely to be true openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/60065/2/01_White_A_Norfolk_Island_basalt_adze_2014.pdf

[@annebatistich6438]

When I had Maori studies at Northcote College over the North Shore (many years ago now) I used to find it hard going as the teacher used to be uncomfortable which made me uncomfortable. The other students told me that he was uncomfortable and functioned better when I wasn't there. That was the only time I ever wagged school. There were very few Maori students there then in fact you could count them on one hand and still have some fingers left over. I loved school when I was at Otahuhu College but when we went to live over the Shore, it was different atmosphere and it was full on study even when I got home. When my friend said she was going to finish school in the fifth form when she and I were 15 y.o. I said "me too" My mother was very upset, but I refused to go back to school. She even went to the police to try to get me to go back, but I explained to him why. So you parents who move around, talk to your children, see how they are or going to handle it at 15 y o. My Mum could not pay for private tuition at that time..

[@simonromijn3655]

Adaptation to Aotearoa by eastern Polynesian colonists would have been challenging. The comments however about how animals species on tropical islands were faster breeding than animals in Aotearoa do not sound right in the context of the challenges involved. More critical issues would have been the lack of access to many of the plants that sustained life on tropical islands such as taro, breadfruit, yams, sugar cane and baking bananas. The kumara being the obvious exception. It is also curious that the colonists did not have chickens and pigs which provided nutrition in throughout tropical Polynesia.

[@mjanny6330]

Weird how the massacre of the crew of able tasmans ship is utterly ignored. It's an important reason as to why cooks crew was so on edge when they landed.

[@eeeaten]

4 dudes in a little boat were killed by maori - hardly a massacre of the crew?

[@tonycatman]

​@@eeeaten Actually, it is worth reading Cook's diaries of the interactions. There's nothing like a contemporary account.

[@eeeaten]

@@tonycatman cook’s diaries of when Abel Tasman came to visit?

[@tonycatman]

@@eeeaten No. Check the OP. "reason as to why cooks crew was so on edge" If you read the diaries, they give an explanation of why the crew was on edge, and what the interactions were like. I doubt that they were aware of Tasman's voyage. I do genuinely recommend reading them - they are interesting. They've also given me a taste for contemporary accounts of events. When people interpret events later, they invariably do so with a strong modern cultural bias, along with an attempt to mind-read, and usually some serious PC Bowdlerization. They tell modern audiences what they want to hear. This channel is a rare exception, btw. I'm very, very impressed by them.

[@eeeaten]

@@tonycatman aCtUaLlY I’ve read them

[@onecatmusician23432]

👍

[@noahfranks2892]

Kia ora. I love the show and Māori culture. Can you make an episode on hongi hika?

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Hey Noah, thanks for your comment. We talked about doing some bios in this season, but we decided to stick with broader topics. But he does feature in an upcoming episode on The Musket Wars. We've also done a whole Black Sheep episode on him, which you can listen to on any podcast app or here: www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/black-sheep/story/201822561/warrior-chief-the-story-of-hongi-hika

[@sushantasiwahang3860]

are we having a good day guys!

[@PaeataClark]

I need to be in touch re the period. Very specif.1828 and 1832.. thanks port jackson. It is important.if not i will Waukoto.thanks.

[@user-st9eo2ox7w]

1:30 You forget to mention the main thing Tupaia had noticed the Maori had adopted since they left the Pacific Islands , Kaitangata or Cannibalism. When Tupaia first come across it It shocked him so much that he froze and turned pale, he was utterly mortified. Alot of the Maori thought of Tupaia as a wus and the warriors used to tease him about his fear of them eating other people. They would do it on purpose in front of him then offer him certain body parts to eat whereupon Tupaia would get sick and throw up , then the warriors would laugh telling him his people were not as tough as the Maori because they did not eat man flesh

[@eeeaten]

why would you think maori would have adopted it since leaving hawaiki, rather than just continuing the practice? cannibalism was common in the pacific - fiji, marquesas, the solomons for example. tupaia probably knew of cannibalism where he was from.

[@user-st9eo2ox7w]

@@eeeaten oh you again , do you actually know Tupaias story and what he said about the issue ? obviously not and rather than trying to support your narrative and sanitising things to support it how about doing it the other way around and doing the research first then forming your narrative based on that. just for your info about cannibalism . yes at one time all polynesians practiced it but by about 1000 AD polynesian society had matured enough to realise this was wrong and forbade its practice it became Taboo. Solomons and fiji are melanesian less evolved culturally than the polynesians ,marquesans like the maori being outliers on the periphery of the polynesians cultural zone both regressed and lost a lot of the polynesian civilised traits that had been emerging in the core of polynesia cannibalism being one thing the ability to build double hulled ocean going vessals was another. .........Anei ra, Te kikokiko rekareka o aku hoariri, nga umu whakakia koopu ki te utu , anei nga tohu a tumatauenga.

[@eeeaten]

@@user-st9eo2ox7w you've just made up the 1000AD number. obviously tupaia didn't support cannibalism. some pacific people practiced it, some did not. it's pretty racist to say some cultures were regressed or less evolved or civilised, but yes stopping the practice was probably associated with more social stability and less conflict. polynesians didn't all decide at once to stop it, some retained it, some did not. likewise even in new zealand iwi maori were very different people with different customs. some lived in constant conflict, some had highly stratified hierarchical societies. you're judging people from centuries ago by modern standards.

[@tiotiwilliams8311]

Where's this information sources? I'm sure tupaia had seen cannibalism throughout the polynesian Islands. Where'd you think the maori got these practices from?

[@eeeaten]

@@tiotiwilliams8311 cook's diaries

[@user-oh4yd5uh4e]

I´m from France. As the Europeans arrived in New zealand were they impressed with the quality of the metals that the maori used in the making of their knives?

[@eeeaten]

There was no metal in Polynesia, Māori are Polynesian people.

[@user-st9eo2ox7w]

They were a stone age culture upon contact with the Europeans and had no knowledge of metalurgy.. The French sent a scientific expedition to new zealand in the very early years and took some very interesting samples back to museums in France one was the extinct 'Kawekaweau' which was a giant tree salamander with red spots on its back.

[@AperaRangatauaPai]

@@user-st9eo2ox7wsorry who are you and speak for Māori typical white person trying to tell our history

[@nicholaswaiariki4432]

Portuguese, Netherlands, British along with Tahitian

[@nicholaswaiariki4432]

There where no other Ships know before the Tahitian and British

[@nicholaswaiariki4432]

The Tahitian and British weren't here to visit, they were here to fight, the Tahitian were back up

[@TheJburt]

A lot of truths here but also a lot of simplistic opinion based historical stories mixed in to fill gaps- until New Zealand actually accept robust archeology based proof, it’s hard to tell our young people a genuine history for New Zealand.

[@eeeaten]

did you disagree with something in the video? vague criticism is worthless.

[@user-oh4yd5uh4e]

I would like to know when they did the first ram raid.

[@user-st9eo2ox7w]

@@eeeaten I thought what he said was very legit and smack on target. Were you trying to try and say something to him by your comment ? seems like it but you dont have the balls to say it so your vagueness to leaves you hipercritical

[@user-st9eo2ox7w]

@@user-oh4yd5uh4e That was actually kind of funny, ka pai ehoa .. The real one actually happened at my local dairy in Glendene a few years back

[@eeeaten]

@@user-st9eo2ox7w come on mate the comment was super vague. get a grip.

[@nicholaswaiariki4432]

Besides Portuguese and Netherlands

[@erina4586]

We have been here well over 1300 Years.

[@eeeaten]

Science says nope. The oldest dates for humans in nz are around 1250AD.

[@someotherfella5763]

Watch skeletons in the closet. Humans Probably been here a couple thousand years or more

[@eeeaten]

@@someotherfella5763 that video is made up nonsense from kooks and amateurs

[@michaelahthomas3273]

Cool video but it misses a lot of mātauranga that is a big part of māori history like the migration from our home in Hawaiki. Why did we come to Āotearoa? How we already discovered Āotearoa before we named it that, and have been going back and fourth NZ and Hawaiki untill the late 15th century. Or how we decend from the Lapita family, and melanesia. How our cultural beliefs and systems evolved from te Kāpu in Hawaiki to what it is now. Or how māori interacted with the real ideginous people of Āotearoa named the Hāmata Tribe, later the term "Moriori" was popularized. Or the Urukehu māori thats genetic traits connect to ngā patupaiarehe. How our people accurately navigated the seas. And were extremely civilised. These are the founding truths that make māori history and future. The people and culture and built on everything i just mentioned.

[@eeeaten]

that stuff about pre-maori peoples has been shown to be mythical. there were no people in aotearoa before the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori began arriving from around 1250AD. those stories are about mythical peoples and also probably a result of the fact that eastern polynesians did not all arrive at one time. obviously later arrivals found people already here. but those earlier people were also maori, or rather eastern polynesian.

[@ecnegilletni3537]

@eeeaten Not only New Zealand but every island in the pacific. Has history of their ancestors arriving to their island and people were already there.....Tonga,Hawaii,Tahiti,Samoa,Aotearoa so why do you not acknowledge their accounts of their history.

[@eeeaten]

@@ecnegilletni3537 some of these myths were picked up or brought to these islands from elsewhere, that's how storytelling works. there's no evidence for people in polynesia before the lapita ancestors of polynesians, there's no evidence of people in hawaii, tahiti, rapa nui or new zealand before polynesians arrived there. polynesians are the first people of polynesia.

[@ecnegilletni3537]

@eeeaten if the entire pacific ocean is saying the same thing then there's definitely truth in it. The people have nothing to gain by saying the islands were already inhabited so that gives more praise to it being truth. You believe maori came from Hawaiki yet there is no physical evidence or even verbal evidence of it's existence.

[@eeeaten]

@@ecnegilletni3537 evidence says no.

[@wnf4271]

We at Malay Archipelago....also fight back British/Holland Colonial....

[@raineenzaroha2651]

I would live to know how our ancestors survived the winters 🥶 and what type of clothing they wore. Did Moa become extinct so fast due Maori killing them for food and clothing from the skins.

[@user-oh4yd5uh4e]

Moa lives matter.

[@user-st9eo2ox7w]

They basically wore piu piu with no underpants both men and women used to wear nothing in there top half, missionaries made the women cover their boobs. Some of the folk with a bit of mana would have dogskined cloaks that they wore over their shoulders and some tribes wore reeds over their shoulders as well. Maori also used to lavish their bodies in thick whale oil this helped keep them warm. They survived the winters with Fires burning all the time in the villages also their Whares were built low to the ground so you couldnt stand up and walk around in them . they did this tohelp keep the warmth inside as they did not have to heat up a large spacious room.

[@nga7367]

Seal skins.

[@nicholaswaiariki4432]

Bet you didn't know used sea shells to cut and scrap

[@Frank-rx8ch]

Kia Ora e hoa ma. Am sure many tangata whenua from their own whenua continue to look to Maori for mana and encouragement to help them stand up for whenua,iwi, moana rights. Thankfully and hopefully to help trace their ancestry back to Aperehama in the OT.

[@eeeaten]

nah bro that aperehama of the ot is the white fella's atua

[@user-oh4yd5uh4e]

@@eeeaten Which aperehama is the hori fella's atua?

[@juliaschiero659]

We'll never know how maori culture would have continued to blossom without colonialization 😣

[@tonycatman]

We don't actually know that the culture would have blossomed at all. Most cultures go backwards, and others go extinct. Consider the Aztecs, the Capsian culture, or the inhabitants of Easter Island. Still, it would have been far better to find a genuine alternative to Western culture.

[@jmjm1920]

All from Tonga Lapita Origin Settlement 😊

[@torqingheads]

Upoke is the term for Maori slaves. They were about 80% of the population prior to the Europeans. They were the primary source of protein in what was a horrific degeneration of Polynesian society into rampart structural cannibalism - a period of horror that lasted some 500 years until they were rescued by the European. The Maori had come with the original Polynesian caste structure of royals and bonded commoners after being outcast and set adrift on rafts to end up stranded in NZ. Within a recorded period of about 8 generations this then degenerated into 9 different language groups ( no common language) and a horrific two tier ethnically and racially based caste structure. - Ariki / from the original royal elite - these were documented and painted or drawn as lighter to white skinned, wiry, smaller boned, fine featured, thin nose, thin lipped, straight hair, anxious, aggressive cannibalistic ruling class. Upoke / from the original bonded commoners (such bonding or serfdom broke down in NZ as land was unconstrained) and slaves. Upoke or poke was used in conjunction with Kuku or Kiko ie a Upoke Kiko was slave flesh - or else poke singular or pokes group). The Upoke slaves were the 'wealth' of the Maoris and raiding and capturing other clans and tribes Upoke was the primary industry of the Maoris. These Upoke were dark skinned, larger limbed, thick lipped, flat nosed, curly haired, easily fattened, low IQ and sedentary. The settlements of the Maoris (Pa's) were in valley passes where they could anticipate attack from the sea and run into the bush behind. A Pa's very design is as a cannibal storage camp of humans as slave eating flesh with perimeters controlling access and confining the slaves. Have a good look at the original designs of the Pa's and what their real purpose was. Upoke females were normally killed and eaten at birth but on arrival of the Europeans -( trade was for Upoke boiled male heads carved with European arabesques eg 'Maori Moko designs - all European) but with a shortage of that & the trade being policed - the Maori Ariki turned to selling young Upoke slave girls to the sailors and settlers for guns. Often as records show, the Ariki would line up the young Upoke on the beach or field and then tell the Europeans they would all be slaughtered and eaten unless the European met their demands. As such the European settlements were flooded with Upoke slaves, mainly young females being the demand. The Europeans bred with these slave females gave immunity to the mixed race offspring disease such as measles & flu that full blood Maori did not have. Again this is subject to much record (1880 onwards) about the 'revitalization' and out breeding of the Maori being their only path of survival / there was much concern the Maori would become extinct so all Europeans & Maori were much focused on such outbreeding to ensure that a trace of Maori may exist in the future.By 1903 there were no Ariki left and only 14 very old full blood Upoke. The last full blood died in 1944 - as reported by the minister of Maori affairs much later to the NZ parliament. The marked differences between the Ariki and the slave caste were much commented on, discussed and captured in paintings & portraits. Almost all Maori today would be offspring of Europeans & Upoke slaves - the filters of inter Maori fratricide between the Ariki clans & disease acted as an filter to remove both Ariki and full bloods. "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon' This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

[@ae_marika.9551]

What's a Upoke? 😂 Ka teka koe, e te tama hoe kōnukenuke. E pureihia ana te raho o tō tai e koe 😂😂😂 Translate that one 👍

[@AmuNolf]

Dragons?

[@grantthompson9131]

Rubbish

[@ZacClark-vb6io]

Omg so cewl so many facts on moari history

[@jameswaterhouse-brown6646]

Did Cooks men just open fire for no reason?

[@eeeaten]

They thought they were being threatened. They fired warning shots but Māori didn’t know what the sounds were. They then shot a person, Te Maro. The record suggests Te Maro was about to throw a spear, but we can’t know whether he was actually attacking or issuing a challenge. The British didn’t want to shoot, they were afraid, but at the same time they were the invaders.

[@mixmastermootree]

Tupaia....Cook woulda been lost without him

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

To be fair they were both very talented navigators.

[@mixmastermootree]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Cook undoubtedly woulda made it to Aotearoa, but the locals wouldn't have taken kindly to him had it not been for Tupaia

[@mixmastermootree]

@robintamihere4550 Tupaia died in Jakarta

[@mjanny6330]

@mixmastermootree like able tasmans crew.

[@mixmastermootree]

@@mjanny6330 abel

[@tekootianderson]

People comment about which coloniser would have been the evil better. Maori would have lost whichever foreign imperialist invaded but to what degree. And that Maori should be grateful the British arrived to save the savages. There's the benevolent BS 😂😆🤣

[@tekootianderson]

@@samdetroper9118 Yes the might of the British Empire. Yet, they didn't honour their treaty obligations. They who speak with fork tongue. They signed the bank cheque. Be accountable and honour it. For Maori, the cheque bounced.

[@mjanny6330]

@tekootitomanderson859 lol the cheque was blank and maori wrote in "everything" And it been cashed in every generation since.

[@tekootianderson]

@@mjanny6330 Correct. Read Article 2 of the Treaty. Article 2 was the insurance policy (guaranteed Maori their resources or assets) if the Crown reneged. Yeah, and renege they did.

[@tugreenaway9448]

Maori have the right to self determination

[@markreynolds7890]

lol recalling your descendants isnt quite the same as private property right / legal title

[@eeeaten]

cultural ignorance

[@damnnative3188]

Private property right and legal title? Sounds about white.

[@mjanny6330]

@damnnative3188 sounds about Assyrian actually lol. Nice try though.

[@tunite12]

Congratulations for telling a story with some academic grounding. Maori certainly left the Cook Islands and Tahiti, this is not in dispute if you listen to the accounts of both those Island groups who have a record of Maori leaving in the direction of Aotearoa. Also, the story of Tainui the tribe of the Kings tells of Maori arriving here and discovering that there were already people living here. There is no reason to doubt people recording that they were not the first inhabitants of a land that they would eventually come to completely dominate. Those pre Maori inhabitants of Aotearoa were the descendants of Kupe....our Polynesian cousins. Please make an episode explaining why Rapanui speak the same language as NZ Maori with a different dialect, and why Easter Islanders Tupuna are the exact same names as Maori Tupuna from the great migration. The World is obsessed with the Moai someone needs teach them that those Moa at the far tip of the Polynesian triangle are the same family of Polynesians who went the furthest south and settled Aotearoa. Those two stories are the greatest epic in the story of Polynesian migration, please do it justice with a show that links the two furthest points of Polynesia and explains how pre Aotearoa Maori were the explorers that discovered Rapanui and Aotearoa. The Rangatira of Rapanui say this is so. Rapanui Tupuna include names like Hotunui...Hoturoa...my direct ancestors kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZvZm3-gnpqJh5Ysi=0dHne8rFzWgj7fhb

[@eeeaten]

you are confused about what it means to be "pre-maori". the first people of new zealand are the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori. the ancestors did not all arrive at one time but via many (eastern polynesian) waka over many years, perhaps generations. obviously the later arrivals found (eastern polynesian) people already here, hence those stories. but that doesn't mean the earlier arrivals weren't the tupuna of maori. talk of "pre-maori" people in nz doesn't make sense, as those people are the same people you speak of, who settled the eastern pacific, hawaii and nz from around 1200AD.

[@tunite12]

@@eeeaten i agree with all your accounts and the wave of migrations rather than one point and time. Also I agree that the people Maori found here were related and not a separate people. I must have lost my way when using the word Maori to mean the later culture that evolved here. It is interesting to note in Nga Iwi O Tainui how they settled alongside people who had come before them, these people were said to have a darker complexion and different dialect, these people intermarried with Tainui and were seen as being distinct (not separate or of a different people, just different the words of the oratory.

[@eeeaten]

@@tunite12 great :) sorry i am wary of anyone suggesting there were pre-maori people in nz, as that us usually the realm of conspiracy nuts and racists seeking to undermine maori as tangata whenua. so just wanted to check on that point. as you say yes iwi maori certainly saw other iwi maori as different peoples, and no doubt there were differences in appearance and dialect, even though all of them were eastern polynesian.

[@ecnegilletni3537]

​@@eeeatenpre-maori would technically be any people here prior european arrival maori as an identity wasn't established until then. Also there are links not only with Eastern Asia but south America and Australia so to say maori are descendants of Eastern Asia alone is very wrong.

[@eeeaten]

@@ecnegilletni3537 there were definitely no genetic links with the Americas or Australia. The first people of nz were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori, their ancestors were Samoan/Tongan, and from the western pacific before that. You have it wrong.

[@ihimaera7424]

The narrative polynesians arrived in Nz around 1300 AD is a rough estimate. Particularly based on archeology reports the earliest evidence of human occupation is around that period. Not arrival at best they would estimate life span of the bones prior to death and estimate arrival that way. So in conclusion maori arrival is alot of estimates. You said when cook arrived the people occupying Aotearoa at the time didn't identify as maori. So alot of customs and cultures origions and histories of these people were considered a collective but we know this isn't the case at all. They have tribes and people in Nz claiming origin as far as easter island. And all over the entire pacific. All of these people didn't arrive in Nz by accident so obviously the polynesian ancestors had knowledge of Nz long before 1300AD.

[@eeeaten]

there is no evidence of people in new zealand before the thirteenth century AD. over 500 sites around the country have been carbon-dated, and the oldest of them shows the first evidence of humans in nz as between 1250AD and 1275AD. yes, maori did not see themselves as "maori" until after europeans arrived - they saw each different group or iwi as different people. genetic analysis shows maori ancestry is eastern polynesian, all from the triangle of rarotonga, tahiti and the society islands. not the entire pacific.

[@tugreenaway9448]

So we eat all the seal did we ?

[@eeeaten]

who is we?

[@unclejoe7958]

Therefore not indigenous. You forgot to mention why Cook’s men shot the Maori. The Maori went for Cook’s sword. And you never touch a white man’s sword 🗡️

[@eeeaten]

None of that is true

[@ZacClark-vb6io]

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@nicholaswaiariki4432]

The only way a Maori language can be changed is if another People have invaded, the British invade and tried to change our language, so

[@nztoma]

Only 500 years before Europeans arrived wow that’s not long at all

[@mjanny6330]

There's buildings older then that in Europe. Really puts it into perspective.

[@sidneylewis9964]

A point to be made is during that time Tribes were known as ''Hapu'' and not ''iwi'' or [ bones ]. At the start of the 21st century the Pakeha came up with the idea of ''iwi'' or [ bones ] a name for all the Maori tribes. Maori Kuia did not like ''iwi'' and quote, ''It was the Pakeha idea ''iwi'' ''iwi'' are bones and bones you will find in a cemetery, bones are dead.'' Maori Kuia objected to ''iwi'' and did not like the Pakeha idea at all. Maori Kuia said, ''we are Hapu.'' Protected in Article three of ''The Treaty of Waitangi 1840.'' Nga mihi Pomarie

[@tugreenaway9448]

Saying mapri moved on when resources were out is prof they are referring to white history. Maua went arund the woeld 3 times

[@eeeaten]

there's no evidence of maui going around the world, what you have there is a myth.

[@koradkw2981]

some of your wording are incorrect.

[@eeeaten]

vague criticism is worthless

[@koradkw2981]

@@eeeaten dido.

[@eeeaten]

@@koradkw2981 the ancient greek or the english singer?

[@enemyofthestate357]

😂🤣😂👍

[@hfhso37ndnks]

@@eeeaten lmao

[@hextoken]

The country is called New Zealand.

[@user-st9eo2ox7w]

Aotearoa was a made up word by Pember Reeves in 1899 so i don't know why everyone thinks it was the maori word for NZ and the word they use in the treaty is Nu Tirani. New Zealand is the name of this nation.

[@nzmeateater]

Still conveniently leaving out the part of NZ history showing the people here before Polynesians as usual, go watch Skeletons in the cupboard, to brush up on some facts.

[@eeeaten]

That “skeletons” video is made up nonsense from kooks and amateurs. Science shows the first people in nz were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori.

[@dane1056]

😂😂😂😂

[@wallis_sin-yu]

"They became slow breeders to avoid overpopulation." Wow, those are some clever animals!

[@JonTeriini]

Would be good to have a whakapapa Maori view from the many strands of whakapapa like from Toi or Awa. The 'Settler' narratives and the new found colonial fondness for their payed kupapa Tupaia give a renewed weight to racist Crown legal thefts and colonial academic careers. We don't go to Britain and write their ownership out of history. We know they wrote their own whakapapa away. Why help them do it here for funding?

[@eeeaten]

lolz your aim is to alienate your allies? do you disagree with something in the video? this knowledge belongs to everyone.

[@JonTeriini]

@@eeeaten it is not about 'lolz' for comfortable 'allyship', it's about authenticity. Like Dr Rangi Matamua's work on Matariki, which is authentic as it is completely derived from whakapapa Maori. There is some great work here but taking any direction from Crown narratives can only confuse things. A Colonial Crown is not an ally, it only seeks to abuse and overwrite with ownership claims of equal 'settlement' status. We are Tangata Whenua not 'Colonial Occupier Settlers'. There is whakapapa from before the 'great fleet migrations' line that is propped up by Crown narratives. Colonial Occupiers pull the same tricks around the world by writing over others with their legal terms.

[@eeeaten]

@@JonTeriini remaining in the past can only perpetuate victimhood. when pakeha teach dr matamua's knowledge in schools should our children shut their ears? the great fleet and the desperate dying people are narratives that have been identified and proven as false _by pakeha_ - sharing knowledge and respecting different perspectives gives us understanding. rejecting science out of suspicion and pride limits our access to the truth.

[@mjanny6330]

You absolutely do rewrite British history lol. Just look at how you speak about the settlers.

[@manuhamoa]

2:42 The word Maori does not mean ordinary. The origin of this word goes back to Western Polynesia. Starts from Samoa Maoí, then when they travel east to Tahiti becomes Maohi, north to Hawaii Maoli, Cook Island Maori and finally Aotearoa Maori. The word means indigenous.

[@eeeaten]

so wai maori is "indigenous water"? i think you're being unnecessarily offended by the word "ordinary". in reo maori "maori" doesn't mean plain as in unremarkable or boring, it means normal and natural.

[@manuhamoa]

@@eeeaten an appreciation of Polynesian etymology goes a long way in understanding, that Maori does not mean ordinary. Whakawhetai.

[@eeeaten]

@@manuhamoa it does in aotearoa.

[@manuhamoa]

@@eeeaten with respect, whether you are Tangata Whenua or Pakeha, even a mixture, an understanding of Te Reo would go a long way. Ma=pure, o=of, ri=Pleiades, hardly plain, ordinary or normal. Te reo tikanga should be embraced, embracing its' origins and its' deep meanings shouldn't be overlooked. While you're at it, look at why is Tokerau North and Tonga South? Mull it over. Whakawhetai.

[@eeeaten]

@@manuhamoa with respect, nope.

[@sheldonhkrw]

I’m not Māori I’m Ngati Kahungunu

[@eeeaten]

i'm not a mammal i'm a human. ??

[@sheldonhkrw]

@@eeeaten your a human bean 🫘 😂

[@eeeaten]

@@sheldonhkrw top shelf intellect here folks

[@salt1956]

Excellent video. Thank you. I'm learning a lot. I thought Maori just spent the whole time kicking the crap out of each other in what was an extremely violent culture🙂

[@perryanderson9103]

I dont hear of cannibalism and the people who where in new zealand before moari

[@eeeaten]

there were no people in nz before maori. that's a myth that was debunked a hundred years ago.

[@torqingheads]

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

[@grantthompson9131]

Obviously you know nothing of Maori.

[@BarHawa]

Are you available to discuss further regarding the Ali'i lines. I'm aware the term generally means chief or Master in most Polynesian languages. Ari'i- Tahiti Ali'i - Samoa and Hawaii Eiki- Tonga Ari'i- NZ I know Tahitians and Samoans subsequently brought the Ali'i system to Hawaii overthrowing the earlier Polynesian groups already there. Would you say these are all the same lines?

[@torqingheads]

@@BarHawa Yes the Maori Ariki were the original royals until the society broke down due to a desperate shortage of protein. The Ariki then evolved into the cannibalistic ruling class.

[@markbillington3535]

What rubbish.......can guess who wrote, directed that.........not helpful for new zealand

[@eeeaten]

did you disagree with something in the video?

[@ecnegilletni3537]

So much estimations and assumptions. 700 people leaving Rarotonga and Tahiti for New Zealand...why...all mass human migration is usually for a few different reasons survival being the main one...also over population,war or fame....but none of these seem to be the case. They want people to think they just decided one day to all migrate south. And why not all polynesians why do all the islands still have people on them after they left did they stay or migrate there after....so many unanswered questions

[@eeeaten]

they didn't all leave, and why would they? firstly, polynesians explore to gain new lands and resources, rather than out of desperation. secondly, exploration/navigation requires months/years of learning, skill acquisition, planning and preparation. again this is not the action of desperate people fleeing their homes because of war or famine. when new lands were found, especially the vast resources of new zealand, the explorers returned to hawaiki to show what they had found, and they would have returned with more people.

[@ecnegilletni3537]

@eeeaten Yes small groups would have searched for new lands. But a mass migration very rarely is made by choice. Your talking about people moving their entire families women and children from their home. What race of people left there home by choice.

[@eeeaten]

@@ecnegilletni3537 i'm not saying people moved their whole families, we don't know if that's true. many men and women came to new zealand from hawaiki, that much is true. europeans certainly brought their whole families from the other side of the world, why not polynesians?

[@ecnegilletni3537]

@eeeaten Hawaiki is mythological place. It isn't true they don't even know where it is. And yes entire families migrated men women and children why would anyone decide to travel thousands of miles away without their family. I'm sure some were left behind but majority went.

[@eeeaten]

@@ecnegilletni3537 hawaiki was obviously a real place, or rather a number of real places. The name represents the homeland of people who migrated. I don’t know why you think more people left than stayed, that’s just speculation

[@saiaw]

cap bro

[@hfhso37ndnks]

No this is all true.

[@HHiTTAR]

Maori have told me colonisation is what caused Maori molesting their kids and why father's were rapping their daughters and other whanau member's like uncle's and aunty's were touching their nephew's and nieces. They said pakeha bought alcohol here and Maori drunk it and that's when the molesting started. I don't believe that and tell them to stop blaming colonisation, alcohol for that disgusting behaviour, families need to address whats happened and start lifting the carpets to clean underneath instead of sweeping secrets under there while the victims suffer in silence!!

[@jackhaingaeawalker3730]

Australian aboriginals been on there country when time was begining.Aotearoa aborigines been here the same. read the signs of this land properly its been inhabited for thousands of years

[@hfhso37ndnks]

I would first suggest you properly learn spelling and grammar, but no it was not inhabited thousands of years ago but realistically around 1250 - 1300 CE.

[@mjanny6330]

Salty maori, upset he's not a mythical being lol.

[@tonywalker3113]

So Maori we’re immigrants just like the Europeans,came here in boats just like the Europeans, only difference being the Europeans didn’t kill and eat the peoples that were here before them !

[@manuhamoa]

they just killed them instead, that's all. Feel so much better now!

[@damnnative3188]

This is kind of basic comment I'd expect from someone that didn't complete school certificate 🙄

[@mjanny6330]

@manuhamoa the maori fired the first shots by the massacre of able tasmans crew.

[@mjanny6330]

@robintamihere4550 If it was so normal, why are the maori so upset? If anything they were treated better then most British subjects at the time.

[@peterware5173]

The truth is in te papa museum that the nz governments won't release till 2068.

[@eeeaten]

conspiracy nonsense. there is no embargo on information. don't believe everything you see on youtube.

[@che6630]

ok, while I acknowledge that this video is an improvement from previous ones, there're some mis-facts in your presentation which are as follows: 1. The term "Maori" was yet another convenient mechanism to unify the tribes in order to make dividing and conquering easier, because you cannot divide and conquer those who are already independent bodies. 2. "colonisation" in its legal context & general meaning is to be 'sent' from a 'political power' and remain subject to the mother-country, whereas the waves of migratory waka had no duty or obligation to any such aforesaid body in their former homeland, thus the word "colonisation" is not apt and does not technically apply. 3. Oral histories speak of much earlier migratory waves than 1200 AD, furthermore, the NZ Government know this & even use an ancient explorer's marker from circa 650 AD to stake NZ's claim over the Ross Dependency in Antarctica. NOTE: Old Imperial & Ecclesiastical powers based their legal claims to land on certain Papal Bulls that were active from the year 1189 & cannot lawfully make a claim to land evidenced as being settled by pagans before that date -- see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_immemorial 4. References to Ngai Tahu @4:09 and/or southern tribes relying entirely on hunting & fishing instead of plantations is not fact. Southern tribes were trading pounamu with Northern tribes for obsidian from Tuhua (aka Mayor Island, scoria rock) & other items & resources, of which many of these items were found in various spots in the South. Further to that, Southern tribes designed their own unique system of growing kumara in between rows of volcanic rock sourced from the north, & in 1642 at the arrival of Tasman it is now known that vege plantations were evident. So these tribes were NOT "relying entirely" on hunting & fishing. 5. @4:48 the term "sub-tribe" is a mis-description of a western' concept of the native structure, whereas the term 'hapu' is first, then secondly the 'whanau', then the 'iwi'. 6. @6:33 "when these food sources ran out, they simply moved on." - who writes this shit?! NOTE: I only got halfway thru the vid & may watch the rest at an other time.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Hi there. Thanks for paying such close attention. We're confident those things you're questioning are correct and certainly not 'misfacts'. For example, the use of the word 'colonisation' in terms of Maori social eras is what's used by the most reputable anthropologists at this time and the first arrival date of Polynesians in the late 1200s-early 1300s i certainly the consensus view of most historians currently. One of the historians advising this projects is Mike Stevens, who's an expert in Kai Tahu history, so we're confident in our stories involving that iwi.

[@thp8485]

Barely mis-facts - you're being pedantic over a 20 min educational video. 1. What's your point? The term Māori and māori was accurately described and it was also explained that "Māori" didn't refer to themselves that way. 2. Colonization comes from the word colony, or Latin "Colonus" which meant to settle, farm and cultivate. The term colonization also refers to the spread of one population to another area whilst maintaining links to the original population - which the earliest Polynesian settlers did. 3. Oral histories refer to earlier exploration which is different from settlement. 4. What are you on about? The point was being made that Southern iwi tended towards migration over farming compared to Northern iwi and Te Tauihu. It's a generalization, it's not meant to be an all encompassing statement. 5. This is the challenge with translation, it's a 20 minute video, not a PhD thesis. Just like how we understand what whānau means even though we can't translate it effectively. 6. This is a characterization. You're just being pedantic to be pedantic. Make your own 20 hour video if this one is so bad

[@che6630]

@Damon Manda Did the food even run out???

[@che6630]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Thank you for the reply. To the point on the word "colonisation"; whoever you're relying on would do well to seek specificity on the actual legal definition thereof, as it technically does not apply & validity can be easily found in any law dictionary. Dr Mike's propositions, and indeed anyone else's, are always subject to critique, as he's not the only learned adept on an island populated by numerous iwi other than just Kai Tahu - so again, I reassert the points raised hereinabove. Dr Mike would also be familiar with the works of Ian Barber of the Otago Department of Anthropology & Archaeology who evinces the presence of planting pits throughout the South, further supporting Point 4.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

@Damon Manda The point is they were hunting and gathering at that time, not planting crops or settling in one place. But that changed later. It's showing the evolution of the society.

[@nicholaswaiariki4432]

Bet you didn't know used sea shells to cut and scrap