Twitch's FUTURE: Explained - HEVC Testing, 1440p & 4K, Twitch Enhanced Beta Updates

[@vincentvega3093]

The day for av1 cant come soon enough

[@F33NIXcs]

When is this expected? And how do I get into the beta?

[@thegiovannimauro]

@@F33NIXcs not sure, I've been waiting for almost a year atp.

[@StingcatKnight]

It’s not coming

[@LuisNazario9]

@@StingcatKnight twitch is too stupid to make that move... don't wait for it to happen, it probably wont...

[@R4NIERI]

I think Twitch not only wants to improve quality for viewers, but also get rid of the "burden" of having to provide an on-the-fly encoder for everyone. We know that this is a high cost for them and perhaps in the past this would have made sense, but today with the technology we have they must feel obliged to link the streamer to the viewer only. In any case, for those of us who play video games and do live streaming, it is a significant improvement. However, we also know that not everyone will have the opportunity to upload more than one video stream to their streams.

[@EposVox]

More streamers transcoding for themselves = more resources to provide it for those who cant

[@pepin8277]

@@EposVox thats not how mega corperations work 😅😂 We'll see them be like... more money saved by me, sucks to suck for the poor!

[@DanVibesTV]

@@pepin8277 that might be true if Twitch was actually making money, but they don't.

[@Vim_Tim]

@@pepin8277it is entirely possible for the incentives of a for-profit company to align with what’s best for the consumers. It’s rare, but nice to recognize when it happens.

[@TonysHighAsf]

Just wait until they start charging you subscriptions to stream your max video quality. Pay to see haha

[@CoalitionGaming]

Hyped for AV1 but even more hyped for HEVC since a lot more people have that capability in their hardware than AV1. Glad to see some progress!

[@oCMSo]

av1 software rendering is pretty light on hardware actually, it's what firefox been doing

[@str8chillaxin]

no doubt

[@str8chillaxin]

@@oCMSo OP meant more available across multiple machines. AV1 encoding not available for most GPUs in the wild atm. Decoding def pretty available however

[@str8chillaxin]

@@oCMSo av1 CPU encoding not great in OBS atm. Not sure if you've tried it

[@CoalitionGaming]

@@oCMSo Since the video is about OBS Studio, which is primarily used for encoding things, my comment was more about HEVC encoding capable hardware being in more people's machines than AV1. Specifically encode. What Firefox is doing with AV1 is decoding, not encoding. If you're sending something out to a streaming service, you're encoding. AV1 decode capability, hardware or software, has definitely evolved faster than encoding, so that's nice. But my guess that's because encode support is probably more difficult to integrate than decode.

[@rodneyturnerphoto]

This is huge. Great explanation. Looking forward to watch in higher quality.

[@EposVox]

More to come!

[@rodneyturnerphoto]

@@EposVox If all this gets released before GTA 6, Twitch will be going crazy with streams.

[@JoschaRiedl]

FINALLYYYYYYY! Cant't wait for HEVC and AV1 support. This will be a gamechanger!

[@JackTDipper]

Gamechanger as costs for Twitch, not quality of the streams. Big chance the quality will stay at 1080p 60fps. AV1 and HEVC will lower the cost of streamer on Twitch. This will benefit Twitch as the streamer because as promised by Dan Clancy, they will see a slicht increase of income.

[@ChrysVT]

Awasome resumeeee 🥰 I hope every feature come early this year 🥰

[@malikkalayli]

The only person i am waiting to watch updates about OBS

[@EposVox]

Thank you!

[@Anco]

Great to hear an update about this, and even better to hear the progress so far

[@superjuddy]

One of the hidden leaders of youtube. Wish you got more publicity from the algorithm... In a perfect world we will have around 12 options for which algorithm concept to use in each media site, and potentially the chance to import our own.

[@tech360gamer]

HYPEE Thanks for keeping us updated. So cool.

[@AgentVincent]

Really exciting stuff for Twitch. Being able to just go live and not needing to worry about settings is a super wonderful thing.

[@CrashGame]

Thank you for the updates, you are the best!

[@TeaOS]

finally the days of "What are the best settings" questions where people tweak x264 flags for literally zero visible improvement are over

[@EposVox]

Yus

[@chiefjudge8456]

Being able to tweak stream settings for greater quality is a GOOD thing that you can use to set yourself apart. It being done automatically for everyone is an objectively bad thing that will lower the bar overall. You should still be able to change the settings, and if not OBS will die out and get forked into usable software where you can.

[@skiloscorner]

Thank you for all of this info and your other videos as well. Keep up the great work.

[@EposVox]

Thank you!

[@Lazarus007]

Any possible way that they could reduce the number of ads we need to run is going to be the best way to enhance viewer experience.

[@DaRealOMG]

Yes, when you’re partnered you’ll have different options

[@lavangfan]

As a Twitch Ambassador, I'm so glad others are getting to join the beta.

[@pantheis]

I love the experience streaming to Twitch much more than KZbin, but currently, KZbin is massively higher quality due to being able to send it 1440p HEVC. If I know I'm only going to be playing one game, I'll stream to KZbin for the higher quality. If I'm going to be switching games around mid-stream, I use Twitch. It is so much easier to change stream settings on the fly with Twitch, and getting a new stream going is one button press instead of the KZbin creating a stream, setting it live, then connecting to it process. I also appreciate the lower latency with Twitch. I cannot wait for 1440p HEVC to come to Twitch.

[@DamienCloud]

Didn't realise we were still using technology from 29 years ago.. crazy stuff considering it's been widely mainstream for a while, you would think that bitrate optimisation and reduction would be the absolute priority for a service like twitch and youtube, I wonder what netflix does on their side

[@lucasosucesso]

I hope in the future Twitch also supports HDR streaming such as KZbin specially on HLG gamma curve which is widely used on live sports broadcasting.

[@tiersei]

Can't wait for hevc myself. Glad to see twitch taking these steps forward on the tech end finally. Now if only yt would get back to improving their live experience instead of focusing on shorts so much...

[@jenks_TV]

Thank you thank you for this video, this answered so many questions for me. Seriously, you rock!

[@ZombieZ3R0]

This is all really awesome for the future of twitch streaming. what i'm really curious about is are they increasing the bitrate in general for people to use. most people are stuck at 6K with some using 8K. i feel like having a higher bitrate for all users is a big thing to focus on.

[@christenlanger]

Apparently my 7800 XT is still not supported according to OBS despite being on the latest drivers. Can't wait to try this eventually.

[@tvrrp]

MPEG TS is just a container, like MP4. It supports many codecs, but the problem is that it is difficult to demux. It also has a strict restriction of 188 bytes per packet, meaning Twitch servers would generate an enormous number of packets for just one stream.

[@tvrrp]

Ah yes, HLS does not support HEVC and AV1 on mpegts. And Twitch likely uses it for live streaming

[@SlushiiPls]

i was very excited to try out the new multitrack video option today, but had to unfortunately instantly turn off.. for some reason my Bitrate is getting capped at 6k bitrate and doesnt even reach my normal bitrate of 8k. I have tried both the auto function and setting it manualy to 10k bitrate. Both my stream aswell as my vod are capped at 6k bitrate. is there a reason why it will not give me above 8k? (i am streaming overwatch and the game has always looked bad with anything less than 10k, unfortunately twitch has so far only allowed to stream with a max bitrate of 8k, thats why i was excited for this setting..)

[@TheSkeleBen]

I have a question regarding the AV1 codec when using Aitum Multistream in OBS If I swap my main codec on obs over to AV1 will this also work for KZbin as well? Primary stream for me is twitch and then KZbin is the secondary

[@themotivator2587]

As Linux user with an Intel Arc GPU, I'll probably need extra patience for these features.

[@EposVox]

Indeed

[@xVertigo101]

This video explains why the stream was capped to 1080P on my 4090. Bandwidth used was 12Mbps, Bandwidth of my Internet is 2.5Gbps.

[@Smash_ter]

You dont want to send gigabits of data to twitch, especiall for live streams

[@chiefjudge8456]

@@Smash_ter Yes you do. That's the entire point of transcodes being offered. Being able to watch a stream in the highest quality possible is a significantly better experience. 1080p is garbage and there's no excuse for it in 2024, yet alone just 12mbps bitrate.

[@Smash_ter]

@@chiefjudge8456 No you don't because 1) storage costs (could reach tens of gigabytes of VOD data) 2) low bandwidth areas (not everyone has fiber) 3) 1080P is the standard, and not every single device has 4K displays, let alone 1440P displays. Your complaint isnt resolution, but image quality/artifacting

[@JimRichardHartmann]

The thing is that you cannot bypass the fact that the BITRATRE is the measurement on how much information you will see presented at the given resolution multiplied with the fps. Effective codecs is just optimized to use only the information you can percieve. The limit on Twitch is effectively a bitrate of 8K with 1080p, and that is barely enough to make descent stream, but ends up lowering the quality to match the rate of information being fed into the stream. It is a real pitty since3 so many streamers have nice profesional equipment, but the service provider rather go for cheap solutions rather than add bandwith capacity and uppgrade the old servers that could give the same results 15 year ago, when most people had 1080p displays anyway. But today that resolution is hardly aceptable since people watch on 1440p- beyond 4k resolution, and it is common to find 5k-8k resolution even. The PHONES have 4K screens and strong videocapability, neither android or apple is bad now, and bandwith is enough on our side!

[@ishimuro]

This Video got me so hyped again

[@XIMCentral]

Given how much money it costs to rent AWS streaming bandwidth (yes even if you are subsidized by your parent company Amazon) it only makes sense to push for better and more efficient codecs to reduce costs. And those costs are what Twitch is struggling with the most for quite a while now.

[@CrisURace]

Does enabling that raise the gpu usage?

[@MrPrezey]

I've been using the Enhanced twitch brodcasting for a couple days then recently I started getting errors saying the there was encoding overloads. Any idea what this could be. I have a 6950xt gpu and a ryzen 7 5800x cpu.

[@_longgaming]

Very cool and exciting. A lot of cool possibilities in the future. I currently multi-stream using Restream. I couldn't find much info searching online, but is there a way to use Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting with Restream in OBS?

[@EposVox]

Presently, you’d have to send a separate stream to restream using the Multi RTMP plugin

[@ICOnlyBlue]

I dont see much of talk about streamlabs obs tho. I've got my i9 9900k with 2080 ti strix as an affiliate and i am trully lost what i am supposed to set my settings on. My stream looks horrible.

[@mr.bigmangames]

Im only waiting for HEVC codec support...

[@abc17895]

11:13 how to get this type off data from youtube? i use newpipe sometimes to get kind of same but this one much detailed any one?

[@Dandy671]

Gonna give the test build a shot Thank for the news brother

[@EposVox]

Thanks for watching

[@MoChuang343]

Very cool progress update! If I were AMD I would be all over Twitch on this trying to help in any way possible. The possibility of streaming HEVC or AV1 to Twitch even at 1080p would almost entirely level the playing field for AMD as far as streaming goes. RTX and DLSS are still better for Nvidia, but I see so many gamers/streamers on Reddit ditch AMD bc they want to stream to Twitch and AMD is just so much worse at low bitrate H264 than Nvenc.

[@i3looi2]

That's AMAZIKNG NEWS. Really waiting for 1440p+ capabilities for 5y now. Been watching multi-stream streamers on youtube + twitch on games like Elden Ring and Wukong and the youtube-1440p is a whole new experience for fast-paced games. Too bad their livechat experience is awful.

[@blakey_wakey]

But this does mean you will need a beefy upload bandwidth to accommodate the transcodes right?

[@jordanymrgaming]

Epos bro I need your help. I need a microphone arm and all the arms come to be added to tables but my table is made of panels and it is very thick and none of the arms I have seen will work for me because they do not cover enough space. I want an arm that is mounted on the wall. I searched on the internet but I only found one and I didn't like it 😂 because I am looking for an Elgato style one, that is closed and the cable can be hidden. What do you recommend?

[@EposVox]

Are you able to screw a mount into the desk?

[@jordanymrgaming]

@@EposVox it can't be done

[@Tomista4433]

Amd user here, still hope that someday will be able to stream descently on twitch, like with av1.

[@necnotv1683]

I hope these changes improve the quality when a lot is happening in a game because that's usually when the streams become pixel soup and are unpleasant to watch.

[@ThekappaConvict]

Any chance you can see if there is another way to lower Latency for the keyframes other than Xaymar, he put it all behind a paywall??

[@SharpShooterGX]

Is there a way to use this feature for twitch broadcasting while multi streaming to youtube without putting extra stress on the encoder? or will it count as 2 different quality streams thus encoding it twice?

[@DviLGamesTV]

Awww hopefully Intel Arc gets on this soon!

[@FlockersDesign]

Yep all nice and well now all the need is ultrawide support

[@Sbranzo84]

Hi! Thanks for your amazing videos :D I left Twitch for a while and now I have this problem I can't figure out. I stream a 1920x1080 60fps downscaled to 720 at 4000 Kpbs, P5, highg quality, 2 pass, high, Connection 800mps download, 380mps upload, stable connection, nvenc h.264. This was perfect for me. I started streaming again after 3 months now (always a dynamic game), same settings, I changed nothing. Is ALL blurry as hell. I've seen your video "Free Quality UPGRADE & HDR Streaming is BACK", and I moved the downscale options from Video tab to Output tab (bicubic filter), leaving the Video tab at full res 1920x1080, leaving 60fps as only option in the Video tab. Same result: blurry. The strangest thing is that when the game moves, also my image in the webcam spot becomes blurry as hell too (and generally, looks really bad compared to months before). What can I do? Is a problem linked to this new Enhanced Broadcasting feature (which was turned off)? If so, why I can't have the same results as before without turning on this feature? Sorry for the long message and thanks in advance from Italy :D

[@flimermithrandir]

Stupid Question (i just start to Stream, am doing Lets plays on YT right now)... but i guess you can also use the Ryzen integrated IGPU to stream with their HW H265 Encoder? I can use it in Handbrake and or record Klonoa (yes bit old...) with it in H265 at least. But i dont know how good it is at "fast" encoding and towards Twitch and or if they even support it. Why one should do that? Just a random Idea that ppl could play with if they have older or not as strong Cards or they want the GPU to do a simultaneous Render/Export.

[@AustinDrew23]

Any recommendations on how to convert AV1 to be usable in Premiere Pro?

[@brickrhymes984]

installed and checked the box like you showed, OBS will now not run.. when it first fired up and i tried to do a test stream, it was showing like 27ms to encode. then it locked the entire pc up and will not run in enhanced mode.

[@StYfReX]

My question is. Can you select different types of stream encoders for the resolutions? for example leaving the intel qsv for 1080 or 1440 and use the nvidia card for the rest or something like that and also for example leave a source 1080p60 and another 108030 and so on

[@EposVox]

You do not manually choose anything

[@StYfReX]

@@EposVox :c

[@iamSamOfficial]

i just updated my obs to obs 30.2 and i have a AMD 6700XT, and i dont have the HEVC in stream option. Any idea why that could be? is my 6700XT not eligible for that format?

[@iFantomeN]

Sooo this is now out and i'm a little lost. Am i no longer able to stream at 936p if i have this enabled? My last vod shows 720p max. This seems more like a downgrade if anything as my stream now looks blurry.

[@EposVox]

936p is not a real format, not officially supported, and will not work with this, no.

[@iFantomeN]

@@EposVox Ohh i suppose that would make sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[@ToriksLV]

Damn, this is hype. SInce last year things have realy started to move after infinite stagnation.

[@Narutar]

the king has posted

[@EposVox]

YEAH

[@michaeltechroom]

that is a cool mp4 format

[@veganbadassTTV]

i signed in with youtube on OBS. I use a multi-stream plugin I wonder how I could use the enhanced broadcasting when I'm in signed in to youtube. I wish obs would let us sign in to both at the same time.

[@gruuli]

Nice updates lets gooo!

[@EposVox]

More to come!

[@taiiat0]

despite AV1 support being kinda early days, i'm still surprised 265 is happening at all considering how expensive it is to use for anything Commercial. also i'm not sure how Latency is supposed to improve, watching non-source as long as Low Latency is enabled already has the measured Latency being like, 1 Second. but i suppose i am in a developed region, and so i wouldn't be familiar if in less developed areas that Twitch is actually a lot 'slower' than that.

[@Haiburidu]

I have an RX 7900 XT, but can't seem to stream using the AV1 encoder... is there a reason? Or am I missing something in the build>?

[@MathNerdGamer]

12:03 An unexpected cameo! :)

[@izzyhope58]

are they still accepting people into the closed beta? (I just signed up). Would love to play around with AV1 (as I just ordered an RX 7800XT so I can finally do AV1 for local recordings) If not, I'm really looking forward to when the public beta can stream AV1 and/or HEVC

[@seeKrystalgo_]

i have RX7900XTX and i dont see that option on my obs? =[ what can i do?

[@B4JALT]

DF t-shirt 🔥

[@FaelonZ]

Not seeing this checkbox in the stream tab, is there something I'm missing? don't see any updates either. edit: nvm there is a beta option I must have missed.

[@CuervoVirtual]

GTX Nvidia generation Pascal work's with h265 codec in Twitch broadcast ??

[@CuervoVirtual]

Not works in this moment 😭

[@franciscomanuel7377]

Great video sir!!

[@TheDanimalHD]

What does this for transcoding for non-affiliates? Since I'm not an affiliate on Twitch, I can only stream the one output resolution that I set in OBS. Does this change that?

[@EposVox]

Yes

[@sl9dge]

How about streaming using Streamlabs ?

[@kensonplays]

How well would a 3070 Ti run the enhanced beta with being a single-rig system? Decently powerful games like Monster Hunter, etc.

[@toonnut1]

Great video thanks bro

[@EposVox]

No problem 👍

[@SparkTheFloof]

How does this affect gaming performance?

[@MylesFAEVoid]

I wish It was possible do it in the multi-rtmp thing instead of the main profile settings.

[@therealshadow99]

So if I get this right... You said I should be able to use the beta builds of 30.2 to try out the encoding myself...? Is there a more or less direct link to said beta build? Git hub confuses the hell out of me when I try to find a way to actually download anything from it...

[@dunste123]

I wonder what would happen if you sent all these streams to youtube (eg with a self-hosted RTMP forwarding server)

[@jonathanmills7994]

Would like to see some Intel QSV love for the HEVC and AV1 stuff from Twitch

[@EposVox]

It’ll come after AMD

[@hdrgaming6644]

I don't understand i see 10k bitrate on my obs but still see 6k bitrate on twitch.

[@CuervoVirtual]

X2

[@MrPrezey]

Twitch has a max bitrate of 6k

[@Kephren]

@@MrPrezey You can force 8000 .

[@premiereavenueph]

So you can't save the 4k streams as VODs? aww would've wanted to check out that quality. I'll wait for the next stream

[@EposVox]

VODs got fixed today so my stream tmw will save

[@premiereavenueph]

@@EposVox thanks man! Looking forward to it! Happy streaming! Love your work.

[@EposVox]

Thanks for watching!

[@CuervoVirtual]

Wait 🔥 Intel Arc support (hevc & av1) , and AMD hevc & av1 ) 1440p60 fps

[@TheXev]

I was excited to test this, however I'd prefer support on my Intel GPU if I'm forced to use H264 instead of my RX 6800 XT. Does this work with x264 at all?

[@Rockingchair_Gaming]

Does this mean we can push above 8K bit rate now without losing resolution options for our viewers?

[@EposVox]

No, that’s not what I said at all.

[@Rockingchair_Gaming]

What are the chances that would be an option in the future?

[@chiefjudge8456]

The ENTIRE point of local transcoding is so that 4k streaming becomes more accessible in that it will cost less for Twitch for to offer it to everyone since they are no longer bearing the brunt of the computational resources required for said transcodes. If 4k is not supported by the enhanced broastcasting pipeline that would be incredibly stupid on the behalf of Twitch. In other words, transcoding and especially high quality transcodes should no longer partner-gated.

[@EposVox]

That’s *not* the entire point, no. Transcodes are not partner-gated with enhanced. *That’s* the point. 4K is just a stretch goal.

[@DaRealOMG]

So the beta OBS is an open test? Does that mean I can go live with the beta to my viewers?

[@EposVox]

Yes

[@DaRealOMG]

@@EposVox okie one last question, you said for the encoder we have to choose the x264? Or do we leave it on NVENC? (I’ve clicked the enhanced broadcast already)

[@EposVox]

You don’t choose with enhanced. It chooses for you

[@pinnacleexpress420]

pretty sure that just adding HEVC is all the platform needs. isnt it kinda crazy that they dont have it yet? (semi-srs question)

[@Taii3D]

Hi! What nvidia i need to use this, i have a RTX 2070 and the codec but i dont have the encoder HEVC, so my stream is in 1080p

[@EposVox]

GTX 10 series and up can do 1080p. But higher than 1080p and HEVC are not available yet. As stated, I had exclusive access to test

[@Taii3D]

@@EposVox Thx!

[@Taii3D]

@@EposVox aaah thanks! but when i stream with the beta of OBS, mi bitrate is 6000 and I have activated the ignore recommendations

[@AJCoReTV]

assuming mac streamers are left out on this?

[@EposVox]

They want to get to all HW encoders, including Apple Silicon (Intel Apple users have nothing compatible) but that's likely lowest on the priority list, after Intel Arc. Apple's encoders are *ass*

[@AJCoReTV]

@@EposVoxyup makes sense… 4K X is in a very bad state with the current Mac OS. Hoping the M4 variants have better encoders.

[@kalifornia909]

What does it mean if you're trying to multicast to twitch and youtube

[@EposVox]

Complication for a while

[@kalifornia909]

@@EposVox well it's exciting to see these improvements coming either way.

[@limeasd]

the sad thing is if you use those new settings you cant use 8000 bitrate :/

[@EposVox]

Things are very much changing lol - my total package for my 4K HEVC stream was 22.5mbps

[@Cute_Nerdy]

​@@EposVox with enhanced beta you can use 10.000 bitrate and it works. so i wonder what the user mean that you reply

[@TeaOS]

@@Cute_Nerdy many people stream at 8k 1080p which is technically not supported, you can't do that with the Enhanced Beta currently as their max is 6k on the x264 1080p encode

[@Maxoverpower]

@@Cute_Nerdy The currently available 10000 kbps limit is the total bitrate across 5 quality levels, you don't get to go over 6000 kbps for a single rendition.

[@limeasd]

@@TeaOS literally this, if you want to stream 8k to twitch you dont want to enable this.

[@fearless_tr]

What about mac users ? which apple chips can support this ?

[@EposVox]

They’re looking into supporting Apple silicon down the line but they’re going 1 GPU vendor at a time and AMD is #2

[@jackwood6214]

Im sorry, I can not find the link to download the beta for the life of me. Can someone help me out?

[@jackwood6214]

Required upload for a 8k upload with downscaled encodes?

[@XDeadzX]

I believe the current automatic enhanced broadcast is a 12mbit cap, with a 6200kbps max for the 1080p60 stream top quality. The rest of the streams fit in the remaining 5.8mbps and their qualities/bitrate are set automatically. But we'll get more options in the future.

[@ItsBatsyy]

All these changes are cool but it would be great if twitch would fix the issue of their player just randomly freezing and having audio go out of sync when watching streams. Been happening for months on every platform they have apps and websites on.

[@EposVox]

Never heard of/had that issue personally

[@ItsBatsyy]

@@EposVox not everyone is getting it but its pretty wide spread. I can link literal clips of it happening during the sgf conferences where the streamers that were costreaming kept having the audio get delayed. From my experience all the issues started when twitch updated their app. One of the main culprits is the mini player if you disable it the issues happen less often but still happen. Has made watching twitch recently feel really bad.

[@DarqIsLive]

I see people streaming at 1440p, how? Is it for partners only?

[@kitnavadie1238]

ผมที่ยังคงรอh.265ของamdอยู่นะ😅😢

[@Pins33ker]

I have a Intel Arc GPU in my stream PC, hopefully they will include Intel eventually.

[@EposVox]

They will!

[@DarkP1]

what about Adreno GPUs that support AV1 encoding?

[@EposVox]

Those aren't even supported by OBS to begin with

[@Aquarius_Live]

I streamed with 936p and the 10000bits with my rtx4090, nvidia driver up to date. Somehow the picture doesn't look any better. If it matters I have affiliate status on Twitch. Best regards

[@EposVox]

Well 936p isn't supported by Twitch Enhanced since it's not a real format nor something they officially support, so it was probably sending 720p to Twitch.

[@gamespeaker]

Hmm, but doesn't this create more bandwidth usage on the streamer's network?