Eps 380: Barrel Harmonics Myth plus Your Favorite Rifles & More

[@jaydunbar7538]

Barrel harmonics absolutely are real, the issue that confuses people when discussing the topic is what most people call barrel harmonics are actually small sample size variations. On a good barrel with minimal material stress the harmonics should play very little part if the true dispersion of the rifle is actually tested.

[@ben_tang]

They are real -but the difference is casual driver vs drag cars. Hunters and plinkers take up 95% or the shooing just like the casual drivers go to work in factory built cars, the other 5% that shoot bench rest and fclass understand logic

[@thenauticalhunter7388]

Ron… thank you for being my mentor and grandfather figure (respectfully) for the past several years… your dedication, integrity, storytelling, ethics, consistency, soft spoken yet firm convictions, and wisdom have served me in ways that I couldn’t put into words… I didn’t have this older experienced figure growing up and men like you are needed and appreciated now more than ever… I pray to meet you 1 day to give you a warm greeting and say thank you in person. God Bless you Ron, and may he use you to reach other lost youth so they may learn to “Hunt honest & Shoot straight”.. -Mike (29 year old from South FL)

[@DM-w5o]

I don’t have a tuner on any of my rifles. However, I do use Quick Load, in conjunction with the Optimum Barrel Time (OBT) chart for my starting load. I adjust the powder and seating depth until I get as close as possible to a OBT node on the chart, for my barrel length. These loads have been incredibly accurate. From there, I may adjust powder up and down .2g for testing, then same for seating depth. Saves a lot of ammo as compared to OCW.

[@Sagebrush_10025]

#1 Savage Long-Range Hunter .300WinMag | #2 Savage 110 Storm Stainless 6.5 x 284 Norma | #3 Tikka T3 .243 Winchester. ...If .22 LR needed, I'd use open sight Winchester Model 62 pump action. If shotgun needed, Remington 1100 12ga improved cylinder or comparable. ...Other favs: Savage 110 Muddy Girl compact 7mm-08 20" barrel (ladder stand) and Ruger M77 .260 Remington.

[@longridgearchery]

My three I would pick out of my safe. Savage 93 22Mag Remington 700 7mm-08 Browning A-Bolt 338 Win Mag They cover everything I need in western Wyoming. Cottontail to moose.

[@brianosborn7285]

Hey Ron, you and I have a South Dakota connection, though I'm not from Mitchell. I am originally from Lead and that is where my dad sparked my interest in the outdoors. My first Hills deer was with a Smith and Wesson Bolt action chambered in .243 Winchester. That was the same rifle my younger brothers harvested their first deer. I eventually graduated to a Ruger M77 chambered in .270 Win where I have harvested pronghorn, deer, and a cow elk in Montana where I have currently resided for the past 39 years. Thank you for all the information you pass on to us. I know I use it to better my knowledge of guns, gear and ballistics.

[@MichaelBell-ju3iq]

About the arken scopes I have both the sh4 gen 2 and ep5, those two scopes are very impressive, I recently picked up a vortex venom in 5 x 25 x 56 and can tell you that for 50 dollars more the arken ep5 blows that scope out of the water, do not shy away from arken optics especially their ep5

[@Deuceblank]

100% faith in my colt m2012. It fits me perfect, stacks 168s and 175s inside half moa. I know it's a 308 but inside 300yd I'm happy with it😂

[@nohillforahighstepper]

17HMR - Savage 93 243 Win - Winchester 70 7mm Rem Mag - Remington 700 ADL

[@linkbond08]

30-06 is best girl A 100gr plinker with 3 to 5 gains of 700-x for squirrels, rabbits, & the like. A 150gr full power Rem core-lok, Fed fusion, Hor Interlocks for anything up to about 200lbs. And a 175gr TTSX or 220gr of your favorite flavor for anything bigger or tougher.

[@45-70Guy]

I have had rifles not need to be completely cleaned to bare metal when switching to copper and lead core bullets. Though I make it a practice to do it regardless as it eliminates a variable that could potentially be a problem on another.

[@markchester7584]

The boxes look fabulous. I’ll wager the prices are such that they won’t appear on his website.

[@troger63]

Arken scopes are Awesome! Bang for the Buck they are Hard to beat . They are on the heavy side . All my long range rifles have Arken scopes . I have had zero issues and the glass is very good maybe not the best but very good .

[@mikehobbs7421]

3 rifle battery for Ontario Canada would have to be for me out of what I own already: Cz 457 American 22lr Tikka t3x 243win Winchester model 70 300wsm That covers me from squirrels up to moose. But boy am I glad I don’t have to make this decision because I have a firearm for every hunting application and or situation. I don’t really want to choose just 3 lol! Cheers from a Canadian hunter/riflemen/ bushmen 🍻🇨🇦👍🏻

[@chadmorrison5094]

3 guns to is hard to choose when you want 1 of all of them! But, my 3 favorite are Ruger 10/22 suppressed, Remington model 7 7mm-08 with 120 gr. Bullets for lighter game 140 gr. Cx for medium/ large game and 338 win magnum shooting 200 gr CX or Barnes TTSX for big game.

[@michaelwilson9986]

I wish the 65 guy the Best of Luck n Really hope to hear an a Update later on ie After Action Report.

[@timbjork2098]

hornady pod cast had a guy on about barrels boy the amount of knolage was mind numbing but insainly indepth it was like a 4hr episode.

[@jeffreyjadav9493]

This was a comment! Cool thanks for responding!

[@kcv5716]

As for James (wanting to hunt). There's websites to find hunting buddies. Especially in dangerous game areas don't go it alone.

[@jasonjohnson6255]

Actually, I believe the best choice would be a Thompson Center Encore with a barrel in . 410 bore, which is great for small game, turkeys, and even up to white tails with proper slugs and still is technically a rifle caliber, 308 Winchester, which has a huge array of bullets available for an incredible variety of hunting situations, and finally a barrel in 458 Winchester Mag, for anything you feel requires the ballistic equivalent of a sledge hammer to take down. The Encore platform itself can be tremendously accurate and is very versatile despite being a single shot. Follow up shots can be done quickly with a little practice, but are rarely needed with such an accurate tool. Slapping the barrels is not a cumbersome task and be done quickly and with optics mounted directly to the barrels sighting stays true.

[@markantal8591]

My three rifles: 22LR, 222, 300 H&H

[@troger63]

I run a EC tuner brake . I would highly recommend to anybody. The design of this brake allows you to dial in increased accuracy (Harmonics) and reduces muzzle reaction. It’s a win win . I can’t run a suppressive system so I have no idea about the effect on Harmonics with these .

[@mollybug9325]

Remington 597 in 22LR, rem 700 my build 30-06, Ruger M77 mark ll all weather in 338 Wm.

[@brodiewright7962]

Almost Heaven- West Virginia, blue ridge mountains, Shenandoah river…

[@brodiewright7962]

36:17 Cortina shows it and I get it too about litz but it’s like very obvious the tuner works

[@outdoorsman812]

12 gauge for birds and rabbits 25-06 for coyotes and deer 300 win mag for everything else!!

[@troger63]

All my rifles have EC Tuner brakes . I can turn it shot after shot and see significant changes in groupings !

[@jasonrottlaender1721]

The problem with engineers is there is never enough data to please them . All that matters is what happens on the target. Same thing with tuning a race car an engineer would wear out an engine when all that really matters is the time slip.

[@liambeatty3080]

Great video and even better looking shirt

[@kylejohnson4340]

Cz 457 jaguar-22lr Cz 527-7.62x39 Cz 550 fs-9.3x62

[@scottstruif3939]

The main concern with neck tension is consistent internal ballistics, not coal change due to recoil in the magazine.

[@scottlamp3097]

I have a few Arken scopes. the build quality is excellent. The glass is pretty good, not the best. IMO they are worth the price.

[@Alfs_Armory]

Almost heaven…West Virginia…Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River.

[@olcoach1]

(.17 WSM) RUGER 77-17 (.25-06) REMINGTON 700 CDL (.300 WIN MAG) TC ENCORE PRO HUNTER

[@mikepaul2485]

My three I would pick would be Savage b-mag in 17 Winchester super Magnum Sauer 100 classic xt in 6.5x55 Weatherby vanguard in 300 win mag

[@lorenzotelleria1858]

22 long rifle, 7 mm rem mag, 375 Ruger

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

ive heard of goats in harsh terrain, and a taper crimp makes for a more even neck tension

[@gabriellindig]

Get some Alpine or Toggenberg goats and you can pack pretty well with them

[@michaelwilson9986]

Ammo cost 280AI 7Mag Because the companies are pushing the Hypemoor. PRCs which I bet are lower cost than either (7PRC) There are other sometimes valid reasons.. like limited runs. But no reason 360 buck hammer should be Half to 2/3 what the rate is for 35 Rem .

[@petersquatch]

Tikka t3x in 223, christensen arms mesa fft in 6.8 western, and a weatherby mark v apex in 338 Weatherby RPM. I wish I had a different 6.8 but it is what it is

[@tolesy00]

Really interested in that 338 rpm!

[@JustinGneiting-gs1gi]

Are barrel tuners for barrels that aren’t great maybe or for store bought ammo? If you reload you can minimize unwanted results and essentially tune your system. Or maybe a tuner is actually just a micro tuner in the instance of a gun that is already shooting great? and at that point are you just chasing perfection which is difficult as no shooter is perfect. Or maybe it’s really for long range and below 600 yards or 1000? Which people are using barrel tuners? Lots of questions I know but my only knowledge of them is a reoccurring conversation on the vortex podcast.

[@CharizardFan_og]

About the Gun for the Job segment: If you live in America, except for certain states, why would you limit yourself to only 3 guns? I understand that the rest of the world might be restricted like that, I know South Africa is...

[@Helfirearms]

22LR, 6.5 or 7 PRC and 375 Ruger or H&H

[@MSHunts]

My 3 favorites are my ruger 10/22, ruger M77 .30-06, and Weatherby Mark V deluxe .270 wtby mag. If I had to sub, I’d sub my .22 to .223/5.56

[@BillStamps-h9u]

I have an Arken scope. It was really good, but it was really heavy. It weighed 36 ounces. Had to take it off my rifle because it was just too heavy.

[@MaxwellMeade]

If i had to pick three, i would say 22lr needs to stay. Then taking into consideration that i don't believe in myself enough for any shot over 300 yards. ( Frankly, anything over 150 yards And i start to sweat.) But i think in my limits my 1903 Springfield in 30-06 is perfectly fine( if i would say a replacement... Perhaps a 348 AI model 71 .) and for my large/ dangerous game rifle I'll have to be different and pick a 475 turnbull ( or something similar to that such as a 460/500 s&w in a lever action.)

[@Jeremy-r2c]

Hmm my for my single shot 204 ruger ruger#1 270 win ruger#1 35 whelen ruger #1 For my bolt action 3 would be Bergara B-14 in a 22-250 Winchester model 70 in a 280 AI Remington 700 CDL in a 35 whelen

[@rodneyfleshman242]

Marlin 25n 22lr, marlin 444 in 444 and ruger mkll in 30-06

[@michaelwilson9986]

Hey should be a gooden. Cool Ammo Boxes

[@TheXaelem]

My 3 rifles would be 22lr, though I prefer an airrifle, a good old 308 and a 416 rigby. Should suffice fir abything from a houuse sparrow to an elephant, all of which we have here in my home country South Africa

[@timsretired8675]

338 RUM , 6.5-284, 22LR

[@larrywilliams9139]

If you are depending on small game for significant nutrition hitting the ribs can give you more calories than a head shot. Brains will keep you alive whereas pure lean meat will not. Shot placement is admittedly more important than for a head shot as you can lose shoulder(s) or bust the gut. I really like brains and did this with squirrels and cottontails. Racoons I headshot for pelt value and picked the fragments out.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Squirrel brains may harbor a form of mad cow disease prions. Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Rare, but some 350 cases in U.S. annually. Be cautious.

[@larrywilliams9139]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Wow never heard of this in squirrels. I knew brains and eyes were more likely to have prions but did not knew squirrels could have a prion disease. Thanks.

[@approachingtarget.4503]

Only a little into the live. The heading is why I am here. Harmonics are different in older rifles compared to new. Why? What has changed.

[@TheXaelem]

Metalurgy for one. Engineering principles for another

[@danielc.2042]

Fresh Tracks has the llamas on their show.

[@matthewklaus9970]

Now we need pack chickens, that way you get eggs for breakfast every morning

[@TonyYork-KB9RAO]

Almost heaven = West Virginia according to John Denver

[@rodneypackard8423]

25/06 for everything in the lower 48 states.

[@kcv5716]

You would think a goat is too noisy.

[@DougJohnson-g5f]

Lol I was talking to the guy about 3 days ago I can't remember his name

[@damham5689]

Im no expert by any means but from the slow motion videos I've seen on barrel harmonics the barrel wobbles after the bullet passes through. So I would imagine harmonics would hurt rapid fire accuracy most. Just my completely uninformed opinion on harmonics.

[@scottstruif3939]

A 58 grain 243 varmint bullet is fine for whitetail and mule deer?

[@jaydunbar7538]

With placement right in the boiler room it’s devastating, but it requires you to do your job and not hit any major bones so the bullet makes it to where it needs to be. Personally I’d rather use a bonded or monolithic for the margin of error it provides in the field.

[@Deuceblank]

I'm just going to LOL, if your a surgeon with that rifle, you will be fine😂

[@elkhuntr2816]

I do think we are learning that we are not shooting enough shots to determine what the rifle will actually do, especially on rifle reviews. Hornady has done lots of testing in this area and have come to the conclusion you really need something like 10 three shot groups all overlapped and lined up with the original point of aim to accurately determine extreme group size along with point of impact shift. They also came to the conclusion that tuners didn't have a significant impact on group size with a large enough sample size. This also means that 3 shot ladder tests don't really show much either unless the 3 shot group is too large. If 3 shots are smaller than the previous rung in the ladder, that doesn't mean much. Shots disperse randomly and even a 2 MOA gun can randomly place 3 shots within 0.5 inches. But with enough shots, you are more able to see the trend.

[@michaelcollins5287]

Whoteewho loves arken and has a code for 25% off Burris is 100% American made and no questions asked warranty and Jim over at backfire loves them and did a tour on his channel of the factory

[@brianwood1726]

280 \mark 5 im 300 nm

[@scottstruif3939]

270 and 300 WM pretty much equivalent?

[@jaydunbar7538]

At 50 yards nothing in North America will notice the difference :P

[@jfess1911]

Recall that Ron was looking for a large spread of capability. He said "300 Win Mag, yeah, you can do everything with that. I dunno, I would make.a little bigger jump from the 270 to say, a 338 or 35 or something... because the 270 and 300 Win mag...not ALL that much difference" . He did not say they were "equivalent." Others were choosing things like 375 magnums when their middle cartridge was something as capable as the 270. The jump from .17 HMR and 270 is very large, from 270 to 300 WM, much smaller. The 270 with modern bullets is arguably a big game cartridge. Then again, if the small cartridge is a 22, and the "mid" cartridge a short action like a 243 (or even *gasp* 6.5 Creedmoor), the 300 WM is a bigger difference: at least a couple jumps in bullet diameter and a couple in case capacity.

[@scottstruif3939]

@@jfess1911 He thinks they’re comparable because he doesn’t take into account that people use the 300WM to shoot bullets over 200 grains.

[@jfess1911]

@@scottstruif3939 Watch Ron's "300 Winchester Magnum Roars Again" where he spends a fair amount of time discussing the performance of a 212 grain load. In a video about the 300 WM vs PRC, he goes over the data of 220 grain bullets in both. It seems that Mr. Spomer is quite familiar with 200+ grain loads in this cartridge.

[@scottstruif3939]

@@jfess1911 I’m sure he’s aware of the capabilities of the 300WM. But he often uses a 165 grain bullet in his spreadsheets, because he thinks it’s the most popular weight used by 300WM owners. That allows him to argue that the 7mm is as capable, while ignoring that the 300WM is handicapped by the poor BC of a bullet less than 200 grains. Even the 308 and 30-06 are capable of shooting bullets heavier than 200 grains in 11 or 12 twist barrels. That’s where the 30 cal shines. Ron frequently ignores that fact, resulting in apples to oranges comparisons.

[@boygirlandadad5814]

I cannot waste an hour to watch Ron read peoples letters and I've wasted too much time already today with Ron. But about barrel harmonics, vibrations etc. Back in the day Browning came out with the BOSS system and offered all dealers one BOSS A-Bolt II at 40% off.M of wholesale. I got me a 300 WM. I called my boy at Browning told him this was my Elk gun, what ammo should I buy and wherr should i set the BOSS. A 300 WM shooting sub MOA outta the box. Turn that BOSS 1/4 turn either way and the group would open up. Crank it a full turn and it was not good at all. Now I've watched about as many slow motion vids as there are with barrels being shot and read as much as I could find and I cannot disagree with the experts opinions that free floated barrels do their movement after the bullet has left. But how does that explain what the BOSS does?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

That is a great point, sir. Perhaps someone can answer it.

[@DannyRunion]

How he go to shot show 2024

[@galactic-goat]

I was told when I got my double rifle regulated it must have both barrels loaded when they are regulated and hunted with due to harmonics. It will not shoot accurately with only one barrel loaded.

[@45-70Guy]

So is it only accurate on the first shot? Second shot just for fun

[@galactic-goat]

@45-70Guy No when they are regulated after the first shot is fired the empty shell must remain in the gum. At over $5.00 a shell I just follow the instructions given. It's sighted at 200 yards and works well, but I don't take it out target practiceing. Cost $600 to regulate it to the ammo I use. Bought 8 boxes so the ammo is from the same lot#. The gun is awesome but they are not cheap and they are real finicky.

[@45-70Guy]

@@galactic-goatI hear you there. Course these days $5.00 a shot is about average for those calibers that are not as available with our preferences. Nosler partitions and equivalents being almost $2 each for just the projectile, let alone .80 to $1 per case and a primer and powder charge. I figured it would be like you said with being regulated with a brass case empty or not inside the chamber .

[@CB-68-westcreations]

22lr. 22mag, 6.5 creed, 30-06 and 7PRC COVERS EVERYTHING

[@brianwood1726]

broke put m1 [n 3o8 cmp

[@scottstruif3939]

Bryan Litz has tested tuners and found no correlation with precision.

[@jaydunbar7538]

How I understand it from the big tests performed by manufacturers and governments is it shouldn’t matter much on a quality barrel, older barrels that may have had voids, higher levels of internal stress, or bore that’s inconsistent may see some gains from barrel tuners. It’s a “it might help in rare cases” type of deal, problem is by the time you do all the testing and everything it would have been cheaper to just rebarrel it and fix the underlying issue.

[@scottstruif3939]

@@jaydunbar7538 Load development based on the myth of barrel harmonics is a waste of time. Reducing trigger weight, honing locking lugs, glass bedding actions . . . not to mention proper shooting technique, not allowing a rifle to bounce around free recoiling . . . will yield better results than chasing “nodes.”

[@nealremy6635]

Is the stock market actually getting better or is this the Election time manipulation to entice new investors, I'm currently sitting on an inheritance of 300k and i'm wondering do I invest in stocks or Gold?

[@alberickmendes6472]

Didn’t know the Ron had pass in 2020. Rip 🪦

[@troger63]

Arken scopes are Awesome! Bang for the Buck they are Hard to beat . They are on the heavy side . All my long range rifles have Arken scopes . I have had zero issues and the glass is very good maybe not the best but very good .