Converge "Jane Doe"

[@lessthanthreemetal]

I always interpreted the fade out ending as a representation of the world passing you by despite all of the rage and sadness you still carry. It just leads nowhere.

[@joeyclemenza7339]

I love that ending.... it's almost like a dream... or waking up from a terrible nightmare, where the lasting sound of that nightmare lingers in your head far into your waking.

[@idontknow-re9dx]

Huh wow, I saw you on the comment section of a todd in the shadows video literally yesterday. It's a small world

[@presmasterflash7555]

It’s like falling asleep is exiting the nightmare that is this life. Truly a dream, as it’s not a reality. The nightmare never ends.

[@mycoachknowsthesheriff]

It's like the last sound of a brilliant album lingers in your head

[@HomoErectusOnUranus]

@@idontknow-re9dx No cap I've seen this dude somewhere too 🤣 I forgot where though

[@idontknow-re9dx]

@@HomoErectusOnUranus my Jane doe brother

[@walterworrall]

Some classic reggae right here!

[@ryleighs9575]

Pfft, check out this guy, doesn't even know what smooth jazz sounds like.

[@walterworrall]

@@ryleighs9575 Kenny G straight up stole from converge 😤

[@ryleighs9575]

@@walterworrall I keep telling people and they just look at me weird.

[@Heavypinkcore]

Lol imagine thinking Converge was metalcore

[@walterworrall]

@@Heavypinkcore yeah, there are some rubes out there.

[@randomavenger3048]

This song is just raw emotional expression, fantastic.

[@ricd2821]

The crushing titanic noise of the last few minutes is some of the most effective sound as yet recorded

[@MisfitOff-Road]

This song is the ending of a life. To feel the emotional range as one decides to finally end it. That’s what Jane Doe is. The death of one’s self. In its purest form.

[@ahah86]

Saw them live in Milan, didn't know them before. Jane Doe was the last song. During the ending Bannon was standing at the edge of the stage, arms opened, eyes closed, lights on him and a massive wall of sound. At the end of the song, I swear, there was absolute silence for a good 20 seconds. And I was crying like a fuckin baby.

[@PearLock]

Same thing happened to me when I witnessed the end of Deafheaven's Dream House live, because I was there with the love of my life, and I got her into the band. Heavy music can be so powerful.

[@Mikemikemike232]

Goosebumps man

[@blankavay4984]

Sure, what else. This song and that ending is beyond every possible words.

[@GreggMikulla]

I just saw them a year ago when they came with Meshuggah, but unfortunately they didn't play this. Their set was actually kind of mild.

[@pratikgurung4009]

8:57 I CAN DIE FOR THIS PIECE....THIS IS MY HEAVEN

[@hecksnek6158]

I normally really hate fade outs, but something about this one works really well.

[@Umbra-qk6ut]

For me, the fade out signals the complete loss of hope. There's this tone shift from the preceding climax of despair, where the pitch raises, making you think there may be a way out. But it is followed by a stoic, despondent response, and the fact it keeps repeating this back and forth between hope and despair while fading out shows this sense of excruciating loss is never going away. Such a tragic song that is all too relatable for anyone whoo has truly loved and lost, a group I now find myself apart of.

[@bigsalamimommy9346]

@@Umbra-qk6ut I see it as acceptance or someone learning to finally let go of the emotions that torment them and attempt to move on. Btw sorry for your loss.

[@Yeomannn]

@@Umbra-qk6ut I see it as being more positive

[@astraldirectrix]

@@Umbra-qk6ut I see it as the curtain closing on the narrator as he is left utterly, absolutely alone, succumbing to despair and madness over the loss of the girl he once loved. The song ends on a tense, rising crescendo with no resolution -- because there is none to be had. There is no catharsis, only ruin...

[@johnreedy9098]

A less poetic explanation than above could be that a good fade out changes the way the continuity of the song feels. It gives the impression that the song could go on forever and you're simply witnessing a small part of a bigger world.

[@undergroundmanfollowsChrist]

Thank you, gentlemen. You changed not only my taste in music but my perspective on art entirely. You grew me, and I will be grateful all of my days.

[@mayahastheknife]

remember listening to this album on the bus ride to school after it came out. changed my life. this and phoenix in flight are my favorites I think.

[@SonicWavePassengerMusic]

I was 17 and it changed my life too

[@Rll_2206]

This album has the concept of “how heavy and hard can a song be" and bring that concept to its absolute max potential. Phenomenal album.

[@frankvega66]

This album is such a masterpiece, one of the best Metal Album of all time, for me!

[@GLaYn]

The album that changed the whole landscape of extreme music.

[@vescara6911]

I like 50 cent and Kanye West

[@MatthaiosVaf]

@@vescara6911 Good for you!

[@LySergicDan]

@@vescara6911 I like turtles

[@coryleblanc]

*laughs in Neurosis - Through Silver In Blood*

[@ΞενοςΑγγελος]

Laughs in Godflesh, Meshuggah, Sunn o))), Earth, Ulver, Isis, Naked City, Boris and about a dozen hundred more before getting here.

[@heirophant1985]

7:05 Best moment of the entire album, and perhaps of the entire band's career.

[@SonicWavePassengerMusic]

have you heard the live version?

[@AFormerClarity1]

@@SonicWavePassengerMusic Live version is fucking incredible as is all of Converge's music.

[@bridgetventura]

perhaps the whole human history

[@james_the_animator]

I know. It gives me chills. I don’t think Dillinger has ever done that, as much as I love them.

[@fernandomilan8754]

this part makes me wish Converge was an instrumental band

[@EyeOfDarkness]

This is definitely the greatest metal, metalcore album or whatever you call it ever.

[@mr.martyr8573]

I have this band tattooed on my body. One of the smartest decisions I ever made. Lol

[@mikephillips7454]

Same

[@seanu6840]

You’re not known for making smarter decisions anyways

[@mr.martyr8573]

@@seanu6840 Well...Im 40 years old, own my own business, just bought a Mercedes Benz CLS 63 AMG, and have a pretty kick ass life so....cant say i agree with ya. Lol (The Converge tattoo still looks fantastic as well....just sayin..)

[@zvsixx]

Pure art.

[@JonEvolve]

Late af to this band but this song is mindblowing. Looking forward to diving into their music.

[@mschell8022]

Most painful song I've ever listened to

[@Umbra-qk6ut]

This track, anything off of Angels of Distress by Shape of Despair, and Pimea by Moonsorrow hold this "honor" for me.

[@YouShallNotPassGo]

Exhausted rage, pointless brutality, a longing for quiet and peace but your mind will give you none. It takes the rest of your life to die.

[@Umbra-qk6ut]

So well put. I am going through this now. I was once so proud and confident, even in the face of loss... now so dejected and numb to the pain, stripped of pride, resigned to my fate...

[@MeredithAvila]

This is it, the best description

[@bigsalamimommy9346]

One of the best hardcore songs ever

[@candideggplant1575]

Great stuff, and not because some hipster said so. This album from front to back is an experience without the pretense of "dude its like a concept album and like will like blow your mind and change your life" At first I didnt get it, it sounded like noise, then I sat down and something clicked, it all made sense and it was amazing and still is.

[@nobodytonobodysbusiness]

The songs themselves are beautifully written. Once you realize what he saying, it really clicks.

[@blahblah6787]

noise? hipster? what? where did you get that

[@stevenflores5988]

I just heard this album for the first time, and I'm blown away. It is just perfection.

[@HexOfTheRitual]

7:40 you can hear a drumstick being set down

[@takashimizutani1808]

The buildup from 7:05 and then the scream at 8:58 is like peak music stuff right there I mean tbh the whole album is a buildup for that moment but goddamn

[@nocturnes_dreaming_forever]

hi again takashi mizutani

[@takashimizutani1808]

@@nocturnes_dreaming_forever hi again 😂 sorry if you see me multiple times I don't comment a lot on youtube so you got good taste 🥰

[@nigelroy1769]

peak of the metalcore genre

[@quagtwo]

Sometimes a fade out can be disappointing, but in this case it was the most genius way to close the album

[@sparda_]

i.....want.....out..... goddamn i love this album, will listen to it until the day i die

[@jackisnotreal9275]

this will forever be my favorite song

[@JayBirdNJ.]

Saw these guys in NJ and they put on an amazing show. Can't wait until the government says that we can go to concerts again.

[@james_the_animator]

I am a long-time Dillinger Escape Plan loyalist, and I always had a hard time enjoying Converge. After listening to this album through again, I am willing to concede that this album is equal to Calculating Infinity in terms of songwriting craft.

[@meshuggah24]

I believe it's above calculating infinity... mostly due to the raw emotion of this album

[@nicpayne8258]

For me, it’s either this or We Are the Romans by Botch. Pioneers of early metalcore.

[@coryleblanc]

any love for Neurosis?

[@james_the_animator]

@@coryleblanc I enjoy their songs from Through Silver In Blood, but I haven’t listened to their other music. It’s very dense, and I have to be in the right headspace.

[@coryleblanc]

@@james_the_animator yes, that's their best album

[@imhendriyantonasution2511]

Jazz fusion metalcore. very rare sound not like another generic metalcore band. I'll give 10/10 for this band and album.

[@JamesMellberg]

Majestic and cathartic at the same time. It's beautiful.

[@mhturjo2357]

I just can't get enough of the ending

[@wispycirrus9907]

(My attempt at understanding the lyrics) We'll fall We'll fall forward All alone Now Prison Predicting the path We head Now You stand Your love fell apart Listen Now Listen Pretender We were in Love I want out I want out We'll serve We'll serve on the ground You walk Now Listen now We're risking Love for Now Search in me Where, still I Will suffer More We're at fault Pretender We accepted More I want out I want out I want out I want out Look in There's no Full love No more, more Look in There's no Full love No more, more There's nothing now We're done We're done So wrecked and Why? Why? We'll fall Back in To nothing More, more There's nothing left No more No more No more No more Left No So soon Closer than my Love for You Listen You fucked up Betrayed Me Should it fracture You loved me, now Why can't You? You're gone You left You're never coming back Never I want out I want out I want out I want out Listen Pretender I want More, more Listen Pretender I want More, more I just want more Listen Pretender I need Love, love Listen Pretender I need Love, love I just want love Lover Lover Lover Lover Why? Why? Why? Lost in her On Saturday nights It's into the streets Without your eyes [Unintelligible] Lost in me On Saturday nights It's into the streets Without your eyes [Unintelligible] Lost in you On Saturday nights It's into the streets Without your eyes [Unintelligible] Why? Why? Why? No

[@Lukewarm111]

I’m so bummed we still don’t know the actual lyrics. This album is too good to not know

[@Yeomannn]

@@Lukewarm111 Jacob himself doesn't know them

[@presmasterflash7555]

The last words spoken are “run”

[@liamnissanS2K]

I remember finding this band all the time In the early 00's and feeling like I should like them. But my mind just couldn't wrap around It.

[@christinarodriguez5149]

I just found this and I'm obsessed. Thanks Sirius Liquid Metal for turning me on to this.

[@medical-sama2090]

I bought their shirt in a thrift store with the songs name not long ago, beraly knowing anything about them, decided to listen to this and... Wow. Thank you for expanding my metal Playlist

[@stefanorossi8909]

Perfect album for a 45 min workout

[@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207]

unless if you inspect the model on the cover and you expose her name as audrey marnay she is european (french) and even looks like a mix of audrey fleurot christina ricci eva green and andrea riseborough though mate

[@vivianaboveitall6669]

why are the 10+ minute songs always the best ones I dont get it

[@takashimizutani1808]

more time for buildup so the crescendo is more rewarding

[@nestroit5010]

good things in life take time :D

[@billyjackoff]

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WAAAAAAAAANT OOOOOOOOOOOOOOUT

[@thistime1483]

I wish I paid more attention to this band back in the day. I was always more into death metal, but this is awesome. I'm glad I re-discovered it.

[@isaiahfreeman]

Amazing lyrics

[@santiagomartinez1127]

Amazing album and i Love that song

[@mikebrueggman6666]

in a weird way, this song (and by extension the album) are really calming

[@brennand933]

Greatest song ever

[@coryleblanc]

neurosis - purify

[@skippy8696]

Open - Godhead's Lament

[@JayM1989]

When you combine the strength of 1000 Gods and the century spanning momentum of 1000 beings being born, living full lives, and decaying into beautiful dust you can then, finally, imagine all that is C O N V E R G E

[@rohomaha1614]

Jane Doe has got to be one of the most overrated albums ever created. But then one shouldn't expect much from metalcore. I mean, this was like the 6th time I tried to give this album "a chance", but fuck if this round too wasn't but a waste of time. Shit's just weak and uninteresting - this last song is the only one I might considered an acceptable effort (most of the album just bores me - although especially the vocalist makes me giggle at times, somewhat easing the ennui this album tends to impart), but it's just one of oh so many pieces in the vast, endless churning seas of mediocrity. "I guess you had to be there" is the only way I can understand the popularity of this album, perhaps coupled with the "babby's first metal[core] album"-effect in the case of some. Glad for you if you enjoy it, but I think I'm finally done trying to give Converge an opportunity to prove themselves. They haven't, and they won't, and I'm just wasting my time listening to this rather than something more interesting, rewarding, or challenging.

[@luisxindria]

weak, uninsteresting, uninspired, etc. are some of the biggest buzzwords in music used when you don't have an actual point to shit on an album...

[@ryleighs9575]

​@@rohomaha1614 What's the actual criticism? You just basically said "they're bad cuz I don't like them". What's weak about the album specifically? I will say that when I read a sentence like "but it's just one of oh so many pieces in the vast, endless churning seas of mediocrity.", it tells me all I need to know about how you interact with music generally, and puts your little rant here into perspective. It's just an endless churning sea of mediocrity, nary a "challenging" or "interesting" band on the horizon for one so discerning. Thanks for giving us the bad news, I think me and the other people here will just go back to our pathetic ignorance in consuming all this mediocre garbage, and you can rove the internet searching forever fruitlessly for "good music". See? Other people can be wordy too, and I actually said shit.

[@nocturnes_dreaming_forever]

@@ryleighs9575 you knocked it out of the park lol

[@vsm1979]

Great Record still in 2020

[@oneoneoneoneoneoneoneone]

my throat hurts listening to this

[@LuisDominguez-mw9ly]

This wasn't made for casual listeners.

[@joeyclemenza7339]

it's funny, because jacob is actually a really soft spoken guy. no joke, I've met him and he's a really nice, calm, soft spoken guy.

[@Ypsiloe]

Zero dislikes, as it should be

[@Aliens2Exist]

GOOD ONE KNUCKLEHEAD

[@jtkappy7742]

7*

[@michaelcorrigan6577]

Um there are plenty of dislikes. Although I love this song and curse all who have disliked it and Damn them to an eternity of this song on repeat

[@christianjunegregorio3053]

This comment aged well

[@abcdefzhij]

@@michaelcorrigan6577 dang dude its almost like some time passed between their comment and yours

[@EscapeAfterlife1]

ny fav band ever

[@anothervvastedday]

Doctor: you have 11 minutes and 33 seconds left to live Me:

[@Vekturnus]

then this fade out in end sounds even better

[@theaquariuschannel666]

Who the hell dares to put 16 dislikes in this beautiful final track!?!

[@youwantmyname9208]

It's gone now, are you happy?

[@theaquariuschannel666]

@@youwantmyname9208 of course

[@noacog4u320]

@@theaquariuschannel666 it's still there we just can't see it

[@Lukewarm111]

Because it’s terrifying to people who aren’t used to it lol

[@JasonEllingsworth]

@@Lukewarm111 It isn't terrifying. It just isn't very good. Essentially it is just if you mixed Nirvana and Deftones. I can see why people like it, but it is certainly not gonna be for everyone.

[@Wolfiins]

I just wish the rest of the album was at this level!

[@SaturnineXTS]

whaddya mean, it's a classic album all the way through

[@Umbra-qk6ut]

@@SaturnineXTS Agreed, but good as the rest of the album is not one song holds a candle to the title track.

[@SaturnineXTS]

@@Umbra-qk6ut The ending of Thaw sure does, probably the best penultimate track ever

[@gavindalton2238]

Attempting to sustain this emotion and atmosphere for the entire albums runtime would be fruitless. This track would lose its potency and the record as a whole would be overbearingly melodramatic and unbalanced

[@presmasterflash7555]

It is. It’s the build up the leads to you to this desolate place. Your heart could never bring itself here. No one with a beating heart can.

[@cmloegcmluin]

how have I gone until today without trying this one at 2x speed?

[@seitan4943]

I know converge is pretty far from black or death metal in a lot of their songs, but if this song isn't true cult - idk what is. No typical blast beats or shredding, but those filthy vocals and piercing, 50 dollar amp sounding guitars in the first 6 and half minutes take me back to the lowest of lofi 80s black metal.

[@Hontonoki]

can you recommend some lofi 70s black metal bands?

[@nocturnes_dreaming_forever]

@@Hontonoki there aren't any LUL pretty sure they mean early 80s stuff when black metal was just getting its footing with early Bathory and what not

[@Lukewarm111]

The guitars sound really high def to me but I can see why you would say it sounds like black metal

[@Ajosee]

@@Hontonoki death ss

[@tekkahusk8042]

Will happily lose my hearing to this

[@egekara7145]

i feel terrible when i listen to this

[@sparklingabyss]

Masterpiece

[@chupiconverge6034]

Masterpiece!!!!!!

[@Andrew-ri5qo]

Pure free Jazz/Metal

[@JakeTheZig]

My favorite song on this album (though, Honewrecker hits hard) (f*ck it, the whole album hits!)

[@Lukewarm111]

The whole album is like one long song

[@tommasomedici8865]

7:04

[@ishtarious.]

One of my personal rage room favorites

[@postrockforthemind128]

The ending reminded me of the song Ghost Trail by Cult of Luna ❤

[@GhotiCan]

I've made a promise to myself that I will never again let a woman hold such power over me. I will be no one's toy.

[@benjaminwilson7668]

Ihad toskip an ad 6 minutes into the song

[@FlackBlag_34]

Immensi! XXX

[@claymaker66]

Rylo Huncho brought me here ... RIP 🙏

[@americannightmare2109]

I'm finally saved

[@noone4700]

2023 KZbin be like yeah good ad at 7:10

[@AEGIS-2317]

the end of jane doe sounds like the sun is swallowing the earth.

[@mikerophone235]

Goodbye Jane We'll be together again someday

[@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541]

When you have the lyrics of a song in your screen and still can't understand what the singer is saying, you know it's going to be either trash or incredible, this is the later

[@faust8569]

I WANT OUT.............

[@bbeznoski]

Fuck I love this record.

[@RiggerHippie]

Should this album and song be renamed? Audrey Marnay

[@lukex1337]

XD

[@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207]

ANYWAY, as a non-North American, she (Audrey Marnay) is one French witch who looks like Audrey Fleurot, Christina Ricci, Eva Green and Andrea Riseborough (some British actress) and only the last three played goths, Audrey Fleurot even looks like Eva Green while they share the same birthday (6 July though).

[@folkandyeyo6570]

At least in the dark where I'm searching for meaning When I'm just searching for something I want out

[@Nick-Stewbreeze]

"I want out"

[@RottenXoreRecords]

🔥🔥🔥

[@JohnDoeAintHere]

November Rain without the video.

[@quicksam9941]

this song is basically prog, fucking incredible

[@zakar98k]

Might have to relisten 😅. I also get the same experience listening to World's End Fruit Basket

[@dkremedy785]

Stevie T anyone? My pup had gas😅

[@Baxxter101]

So... What are the real lyrics?

[@DenjiHayakawa]

nothing. just screaming.

[@Baxxter101]

@@DenjiHayakawa I'm pretty sure I heard "FROSTSHOCK"

[@nestroit5010]

ruuuuuuuuuun

[@mine1689]

These floods of you are unforgiving Pushing past me spilling through the banks And I fall Faster than light and faster than time That's how memory works At least in the dark where I'm searching for meaning When I'm just searching for something I want out Out of every awkward day Out of every tongue tied loss I want out Out of the burdening night sweats Out of the rising seas of blood Lost in you like Saturday nights Searching the streets with bedroom eyes Just dying to be saved Run on girl Run on

[@xfogscapex]

I want out.

[@sebastiangomez8004]

Obra maestra

[@Aespapaning]

Terlintas seperti dua sisinya burgerkill

[@scaputa]

I. Want. Out.

[@ranelborja681]

Internet

[@zeeuwsvlaanderen1]

Eh.... the photo on the cover is placed without permission and 'stolen' from the French model Audrey Marnay, and not an original piece of 'work' as claimed by Converce member Jacob Bannon.. Take the right action to her, dear Jacob, be friendly and pay for it.. ;-)

[@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207]

By the way as I'm not North American, Marnay looks HOT while being Euro (French) as she even looks like a mix of Stella McCartney (Paul's daughter), Audrey Fleurot, Christina Ricci, Eva Green, Andrea Riseborough and as well Nicola Roberts (the pale one from Girls Aloud).

[@Mellowzz0]

and what is your source sir?

[@PearLock]

Ummm, he cleeearly collaged it, made a stencil, put his own flare into it, aaaand... yeah, I'd say it's his own piece. Artists use methods like this ALL the time. I was a fine arts major.

[@addibbaaj2]

@@PearLock yeah i don't get it why people is so mad about this

[@ayankabroad3239]

When the Alzheimers and dementia patients down at the ward have a talent show.

[@chicnnugit9086]

got em

[@siim605]

Is that all you comment on lmao? Just "Converge sucks" ad nauseam?

[@walterworrall]

hahahaha

[@flaminyt591]

I cant even understand a single thing bro 😂

[@ИисусХристосГосподьмой-ю2с]

Заберите у него виски

[@yoshiro2191]

Почему

[@ИисусХристосГосподьмой-ю2с]

@yoshiro2191 посмотри на что он стал похож. Прям баба какая то.

[@RoxanneUbaldo]

You guys have committed identity theft.

[@guacaholic9961]

Stole your face

[@megadave207]

Wow I absolutely abhor this, gigantic metalcore fan but Jesus way too much hype for never listening to it

[@ryleighs9575]

Nope, not enough hype. We just have different opinions about art, which is how it works. Architects or whatever is cool too, just too much hype IMO.

[@megadave207]

@@ryleighs9575 oh nah I meant I was putting too much hype into enjoying it lol just much different than what I expected, mostly referring to the whole album I never got the multiple single minute song thing lol, definitely need to get into architects though never tried them

[@ryleighs9575]

@@megadave207 That's fair, I appreciate the thoughtful response. If Converge doesn't do it for you, it is what it is, that's the subjective nature of music. Architects as I understand represent a pretty good example of modern metalcore, which is a different thing than old metalcore, and maybe will be more up your alley.

[@megadave207]

@@ryleighs9575 yeah I'm moreso into the djent influence as well stuff like veil of Maya, periphery and after the burial really do it for me

[@gnarxy]

I don't like to gatekeep genres and fight about definitions but if you abhor converge, botch, or dillinger escape plan there is an issue of you labeling metalcore incorrectly. These are the grandfathers. You saying you are a huge metalcore fan but hate this is like saying you love pizza but are disgusted by cheese, sauce, and bread.

[@collinsullivan4834]

this album bored me. nothing beats petitioning the empty sky. i'm that guy

[@AFormerClarity1]

That's a great album too.. Opening with the Saddest Day.. best opening song!

[@DenjiHayakawa]

@@AFormerClarity1 i love the saddest day i'm not a big fan of the rest of the album but it makes up for it honestly

[@coffeedude]

Just listened to the album because of thia comment and it's great tbh!

[@imyourgodmachine]

Most annoying vocals ever

[@faust8569]

Your point........

[@iananderson292]

its too late. this album has too much influence for your critique to have a difference

[@Zero_0ne]

so what?

[@dildodildoroody-roo1018]

Nah

[@ΞενοςΑγγελος]

Only if you haven't heard Silencer.

[@travissiegfried636]

Masterpiece