"EREBUS - The Aftermath" - Part Two

[@Queen-of-Swords]

A judge doing what a judge SHOULD do. RIP Mr Mahon.

[@Wesleyclarillos]

“Movie is a gem that has withstood the test of time” “Absolutely brilliant TV Docudrama” “Riveting” “Absolutely exceptional in all ways” Just a few of the reviews I am seeing as i briefly scroll through. A testament to how great this gem is and how much everyone enjoyed it. 10/10.

[@bexhill8777]

and the batte for truth? One Could Just Aswell Say The Same Of "gone with the wind"

[@htos1av]

RIP, your Honor! You performed your job magnificently. Your work honors the victims and families and your profession. You tower above the pettiness displayed. Never forgotten.

[@daapgaming]

Very well said

[@randomspurious1066]

Hear, hear!

[@paulringdahl4005]

What an incredible documentary. Total respect for Justice Peter Mahon RIP. I was at Christchurch airport the day this happened. I remember it well. The cover ups, the lies all expose. Awesome

[@maryannswanson3832]

That is so interesting. What an experience for you! 😃

[@andrewstinson3284]

This is an incredibly well-done film! I was was an off-duty Southwest Airlines flight attendant traveling around NZ, in 1985, and I stayed in a campground where I met Capt. Gordon Vette; a good friend of Capt. Collins. Capt. Vette wrote an excellent book about this incident and he gave me an autographed copy! I learned a great deal from Capt. Vette, during my stay, and have always considered him a great man for all he did to help exonorate Capt. Collins.

[@Parker6432]

Sadly former Air New Zealand Captain Gordon Vette has passed away. There are other programs on KZbin you can find relevant to the Erebus disaster that Gordon hosts.

[@bobgillis1137]

His son, Mark Vette, the famous kiwi dog handler, dedicated one of his books to him, in honour of him going to bat for the downed pilot.

[@musicmanfelipe]

Captain Vette also helped rescue a lost pilot over the Pacific the year before this. There was a TV movie about that as well. Sadly his flight engineer on that flight was also the engineer on 901.

[@aussiecbeer5644]

In 2008, Justice Mahon was posthumously awarded the Jim Collins Memorial Award by the New Zealand Airline Pilots Association for exceptional contributions to air safety, "in forever changing the general approach used in transport accidents investigations world wide. In 1999 Transport Minister Maurice Williamson tabled Mahon's findings in parliament. His report had not previously been officially accepted as the verdict on the Erebus tragedy. He was recognized too late. RIP

[@valinormons]

I don't want to seem to be thick, but when the findings were tabled, does that mean that they were accepted, or put aside for future consideration? Your comment was 2 years ago, and I'm asking 25 years after 1999.

[@nickv4073]

This movie is a gem that has withstood the test of time.

[@jtveg]

This was an absolutely brilliant TV docu-drama. Thanks for sharing.

[@sensiblename295]

UK citizen here,. Superb production. And some fantastic and insightful comments below.

[@Ebanatoyk]

Very well done. Ian Mune as Morrie Davis, the Air NZ chief executive is particularly good.

[@teenieneenie630]

There were actually 258 deaths attributed to this tragedy, Mr. Mahon died at the hands of the Gov't.

[@metroplex3k]

Pre Covid would not have given this idea much credence, but absolutely believe this was likely.

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

​@@metroplex3khe meant through stress not directly 🙄

[@MareShoop]

@@metroplex3kwhat does Covid have to do with this. Smh

[@venderstrat]

The actual Commissioner was brilliant, as was the actor who portrayed him.

[@rogershirley2857]

Ian Mine, brilliant as Morris Davis. Peter Mahonl never to be forgotten.

[@mrparlanejxtra]

Ian Mune. He was my grandfathers neighbour in Devonport AKL.

[@ajs41]

I swear that every important person in the 70s and 80s looked like he does in this documentary - (Morris Davis / Ian Mune).

[@constancewalsh3646]

I cannot get enough of this incredible true story. It is layered beyond reasoning. The atmosphere is so laden with tragedy, soul and mystery that were one to explore the invisible energies that determined the lives of so many, even more would be revealed. Judge Mahon is a great soul; how he must have suffered and yet remained true to himself and what he knew.

[@bsz]

I watched the series on Polish television, back in 1998 when I was 15 years old, and to this day it still doesn't let you get past the whole thing. I remember the last scene, when Mahon is walking through the stud and even before the voiceover read the last line, not knowing the story from any other source, I knew that Mahon would soon die. It was very depressing then, and still is after 24 years, even for someone from a distant part of the world.

[@MarkMcLT]

22:00 My first and only TV role, playing the audio lab technician in the white coat - actually standing in front of a magnetic tape drive attached to an HP1000 minicomputer in a lab on level 3 of the Electrical and Electronic Engineering Dept at Auckland University on Symonds St. The preceding shot showed them exiting from the Symonds St pedestrian underpass. I don't remember if i got paid but I got a free meal for my trouble. :)

[@JVsMusicalSoundscapes]

I smiled when I saw that mag tape drive 🙂. I think there was an actual reel-to-reel deck there as well.

[@gleaveinjapan]

This is a brilliant series created in the days when quality TV was more important than trivial distractions, today we are amusing ourselves to death with trivial news./ reality shows/ twitter comments by Presidents. A showcase of who's who of NZ and Australian actors and not only that but a nostalgic glimpse back in the archives of oblivion when people like Angela D'Aduney and Philip Sherry delivered the news in a very professional manner. Total respect for Justice Peter Mahon.

[@TheCarin12]

Incredible and commendable effort of Justice Mahon to see through all the BS and bring the truth to light.

[@rtadvocate1010]

the world needs more men like Judge Mahon

[@jamesparlane9289]

A few days ago the NZ prime minister gave a apology for this. She may not have been born when it happened. We still wait for an apology from Brian Herbert who is the person who changed the autopilot co-ordinates and did not bother to tell anybody. The airline staff knew that minutes after the crash. Then they set about Making a cover up including burgaling the pilots homes to get diaries.

[@Parker6432]

I believe Brian Hewett is now deceased.

[@mrparlanejxtra]

@@Parker6432 Thanks for that info. I will resist temptation and leave it at that rather than go on further if that is so.

[@darksideka]

Miss prime minister can go join him

[@ajs41]

Personally I don't think someone can apologise for something that they weren't responsible for themselves.

[@jamesparlane9289]

@@ajs41 Exactly

[@amt61]

I remember this and flying Air NZ to Hong Kong from Auckland and it was free drinks all the way…that was on 30 March 1980. Muldoon was a despicable human who I once accidentally pushed in front of to get into an elevator at the Beehive, when on a school trip!! We shut the doors on him!!

[@wearecity]

Thanks for the uploads. A disaster I've up until now, haven't really seen anything about. The judge, hits the nail on the head about Air New Zealand attempts to clearly cover up. Quite disgusting really, numerous heads needed to roll and the judge should have been backed fully after the trial. Instead despite the disgraceful attempts of cover up, he wasn't, clearly some more underhand going ons.

[@martintheiss743]

it was a severe matter for The Beehive and other entities. The bare mention that ANZ was structurally unable to control errors such as navigation mistakes and oversight of published safety errors would have been fatal to the reputation of NZ being an independent nation.

[@RF590KG84]

Its a pity Captain Keesing's testimony was not portrayed, as this appears to be the key testimony that destroyed Air NZs case. He was retired but was the Director of Flight Operations when the Antarctic flights were planned, he was mentioned in one of the newspaper reports of low flying, and he appeared at the Commission and totally denied any MSA restriction as claimed by Air New Zealand Execs, accepted that flights were permitted to go as low as McMurdo ATC cleared them to, and that he had been on such a flight and approved the low flying. The other issue not so well explained here was the optical illusion of sector white-out, a clear air phenomena that made the uniformly white terrain under a bright low overcast appear as an extended flat plain, and the fact the aircrew had an experienced Antarctic explorer on the flight deck apparently also fooled as to where they were and confirming the false position impression. Otherwise excellent.

[@sakethedpuganti5697]

Captain keesings testimony was included in the part one of the movie!

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

@@sakethedpuganti5697 It’s not. He’s referenced by name when they’re talking about the flight he sat on, but there’s no reproduction of his testimony

[@louisedavies7228]

Such a wonderfully, decent, honest and honourable man, treated so badly.Judge Mahon, deserves to be greatly respected ❤

[@Caprica-od6oc]

Is there such thing as JUSTICE! Not only the airline did their best to cover up but the Prime Minster's office as well the justice department though it was ok to make Mr Mahon a escape goat for all this mess

[@rossdavies-hooper3602]

Fantastic. All new to me. An amazing docudrama. Thank you for posting.

[@PhilCollier-eh1dd]

Great series well done judge

[@CJWahanui]

Feels like I’m watching an episode from “The Outer Limits” it’s that unbelievable!

[@charlesashurst1816]

Civilization is hard. And heartbreaking.

[@vincenzegreisingel2429]

First class performance by Finlay and the other actors. A brilliantly crafted work.

[@patriciamariemitchel]

"Where the instrument of thinking minds is joined to strength and malice, man's defence cannot avail to meet those powers combined." Nice words of defeat spoken by Justice Mahon. I say, But God... I say, Wait. God is not through yet.

[@Ralnon]

People that rely on god for justice are apt to wake up and find the camel missing.....

[@patriciamariemitchel]

@@Ralnon , then it's good that I don't have a 🐪.

[@Ralnon]

@@patriciamariemitchel(sigh) it’s a metaphor based on an extremely old religious comment on absolving yourself of moral responsibilities As in don’t be so lazy and presumptuous to know gods mind: we are supposed to have free will: and supposed to use it. I appreciate that’s wishing for the moon - but there you go

[@patriciamariemitchel]

@@Ralnon, thank you for that detailed explanation. I can see where you're coming from. I simply asserted that God is not through yet. Were it not for that fact, I would be of all men, most miserable. Good day to you.😎

[@captainsensiblejr.]

Former Archives New Zealand archivist here. I vividly remember being told PERSONALLY, in 2002, before I worked for our national archives, about Mount Erebus records being "disappeared". I was told by a person in charge of an appraisal and disposal project involving physical, paper Police Records, about the event that happened only TWO weeks before I spoke to them. This was about late July or early August in 2002, when there was an appraisal and listing project involving thousands of boxes of Police Records for a subsequent Retention and Disposition of those records for an accession of the archival value records into Archives New Zealand custody. This listing project of physical records was relatively normal at the time. It was absolutely necessary to list all the file parts in every file box to compare the records marked for retention or destruction against an official Police Records Retention and Disposal schedule. The Police records marked for retention were to be transferred into the custody of Archives New Zealand. The thousands of boxes of poorly listed records dated from a time when government departments in New Zealand were completely inadequately listed, as was too often typical of the time. They were inadequately stored in a rented garage behind a padlocked wooden garage door in Newtown, Wellington. During this appraisal and disposal project, on a Friday afternoon, the listing team came across two records boxes that were both PARTIALLY - not completely - filled with files labelled " Mount Erebus Air Crash" . Considering how important the Mount Erebus crash is in New Zealand history, this was reported to the New Zealand Police records manager, because they were outside the coverage by the Police Records retention and disposal schedule. The Mount Erebus files were found on a Friday afternoon, the listing stopped about four p.m., I believe. On Monday morning, the Mount Erebus files and ONLY those files, were found to be MISSING from the two boxes. The non- Erebus files were still there. The padlocked door was STILL PADLOCKED when the team arrived three days later. I remember the long pause as my informant looked into my eyes as we both considered the implications. Both of us had no doubt that either a senior member of the New Zealand Police or a member of our Security Intelligence Services, removed archives of one of the most significant historical events in our country's history from public view.

[@TheAwesomeTolga198]

Thank you so much for this insightful comment.

[@metroplex3k]

It is somewhat bewildering, that anz didn’t furnish the same primary flight crew for ALL the Antarctic flights - of course a secondary crew for normal contingency. Had captain Simpson flown the November 28 flight, we wouldn’t be discussing a tragedy today.

[@chloesdad1000]

Frank Finlay was born in Farnworth, Bolton which is around 5 miles from me. Coincidentally my second name is Farnworth, Not sure if I am missing something here but this reminds me of the infamous Grand Canyon disaster in the 50's where flights regularly made a 'tourist' pass over the famous landmark leading to a double-crash. I would have thought that twenty-years later this would have been frowned-on. So what am I missing, did Air New Zealand allow 'sight-seeing' flights at lower altitudes as part of their fares? Also, I considered when the pilot mentioned it being a little bit heavy, was he talking about possible snowfall, that would have explained why, on this occasion they were unable to see the mountain, especially at low altitude. Frank Finlay who acts superbly in this magnificant drama- documentary should have been awarded at least a BAFTA for his perfomance, indeed he was backed by superb stalwarts.

[@georgeeliot2012]

“Where the instrument of thinking mind is joined to strength and malice, men’s defence cannot avail to meet those powers combined.”

[@joannrizkowski5985]

Riveting documentary!! Luckily, the media in 1979 seemed to want to uncover the truth.

[@francescaruby1150]

Thanks for posting. Mesmerizing.

[@landoremick7422]

Lots of Human Element issues in this. And organisational factors that contributed to the screw up and the cover up. Organisations are often violently reactive when criticised

[@prac2]

It usually is

[@andrewmacdonald4833]

Frank Finlay was quite simply an exceptional actor..much missed.

[@dianevitale1214]

Excellent. Ty JP

[@deborahduthie4519]

It’s disgusting the behaviour that occurs, in the worst display of corruption to protects the few known to deceit.

[@MOV1983]

These court decisions seem to be typical of places such as New Zealand and Australia. Don't know why I was expecting a different outcome. In the US that would not have happened with NTSB investigating the case. I feel sorry for the families of the victims. To those who died, rest in peace.

[@TheAwesomeTolga198]

Thing is, if I remember correctly, New Zealand's closest equivalent of the NTSB, the OAAI, had already conducted an investigation. That was the Chippindale report. However, that report was seen as insufficient enough to warrant an independent public inquiry. And, at the end of the day, it would appear that it is the conclusions or Peter Mahon's investigative efforts that have been respected the most: his finding of the accident's probable cause was never set aside in the judicial review of the inquiry, the inquiry was given official status in the NZ parliament and the New Zealand Airline Pilots Assocoation posthumously recognised Mahon's contributions to air-accident investigations.

[@Ineedanewbrainwashagent1.]

Thanksfor uploading this , it was brilliant.

[@annawright4545]

Absolutelly exceptional - in all ways.

[@tiglu05]

His Honour did a brilliant job, exposing a trail of incompetence by Air New Zealand. An "orchestrated litany" of stupidity that lead to the loss of Captain jim Collins and his aircraft...

[@JulithaRyan]

Thanks so much, great to see this!

[@martintheiss7666]

Any logical legal system cant be seen as honest if an independently hired supreme court justice is being questioned in such an important matter for the community of New Zealand. I think the effect of inquiries on the honesty of what the United States has seen since 1790 as an independent tribunal of government servants is a serious matter. If there cant be an obvious explanation on why two senior pilots were lead on such a wild expedition including an investigation into ANZ's internal operations services to protect customers and employees I would be concerned as to the safety of the whole company.

[@rjlchristie]

and this documentary doesn't even mention a great deal of the malfeasance that occurred: the break in of Collin's home office and possible removal of relevant documents while his widow was attending his funeral; the "disappearance" of pages seemingly ripped out from the pilot's notebook that was recovered from the wreckage and much more. An orchestrated litany of lies was indeed the order of the day.

[@kev-the-windsurfer.]

This was an awful time for New Zealand in general, I can't imagine what it was like for the surviving family members, it seemed like it was headline news for years and years.......

[@nikwilson5599]

Rest in peace

[@Zickcermacity]

1:28:10 - Quite simply, senior staff at ANZ intended to put Collins' DC-10 on a collision course with the side of a mountain. For what purpose? That is between them and God alone. Heaven help them!

[@danielbrown1724]

I did not know the Flat Earth Society was around back then.....interesting!!

[@jtveg]

Apparently they were founded in 1956, although no modern flat earthers you find on KZbin are members or affiliated with them. The internet has given every village idiot a voice and a means for finding each other and spreading their nonsense.

[@Tritriumchannel]

@@jtveg Everyone already had a voice and means to spread their nonsense before the internet. You just never heard about it :-)

[@jtveg]

@@Tritriumchannel Of course every village had its idiot. The difference is that today they are able to find each other on the internet and congregate and congratulate each other on how clever they really but it's the rest of the world that are actually the stupid ones. The village idiots think they have figured it all out. Lol. I don't want to listen to village idiots or flerfs. It will only make you dumber.

[@PrimeInk-dn8lx]

On 28 November 1979, 237 passengers and 20 crew were killed when Air New Zealand Flight TE901 was hit by a SAM Missile launched from an automatic launch site in Antarctica in error and then crashed into Mt Erebus, Antarctica. MI5 initiated the cover up to hide the fact of this error and most importantly to MI5 was to cover up the reason the SAM missile installation's are in Antarctica in the first place and what it is they are protecting anyone from knowing about. One would only need to view pictures/video of the wreckage of Flight TE901 to see that Flight TE901 hit Mt Erebus as a burning wreck. A passengers photos developed after the recovery show hydraulic oil splashed onto the windows while Flight TE901 was still in flight.

[@jamesparlane9289]

At 24.30 enter Merv Smith with a fake USA accent. New Zealands best voice. He must be nearly 90 now.

[@martintheiss743]

where is he from?

[@jamesparlane9289]

Avondale, Auckland He passed away a few months ago.

[@Parker6432]

@@jamesparlane9289 - why are you "poking" at this video ? you seem to have a lot to say as comments? Were you actually born when this disaster happened?

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

45:37 This actually happened. He actually made that expression at the Commission. An otherwise tempestuous, loquacious CEO reduced to making a gesture befitting a 4th grader, as if to say “yes, but I’m not gonna.” After gently walking a tightrope of knowing how to placate the Air NZ board on one hand, and the media on the other, giving them contrary information (to the board: Collins was inexplicably considerably left of the intended flight plan; to the media, he was on the intended flight route but at the wrong altitude).

[@robinfautley8698]

The shrug by Morrie Davis to Mahon’s question about the 1 million leaflets that he had no knowledge of the contents has to have been precisely the arrogance NZers did not like about all the “old” ANZ executives. Was this shrug reproduced only in the document-drama as there have been extracts from evidence in the original film of the Royal Commission, especially that of Hewitts evidence and his explanation of the 164.48 and 166.48 typo. Unfortunately I cannot see it in the UKs KZbin screenings.

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

@@robinfautley8698 I could’ve sworn I saw the real footage of Morrie shrugging somewhere- I’ll take a look.

[@robinfautley8698]

@@mattthrun-nowicki8641 Please. In the UK we cannot get all the NZ papers videos.

[@lightningmcqueen181]

agree with the comments posted prior to mine. This was a brilliant way to tell a story.... I was aware of the accident some time prior to this but unaware of such a tragic cover up...

[@martintheiss743]

And for the most part the "litany of lies" report was officially stripped from the NZ Public Record. And the judge died a disgraced man.

[@icemachine79]

The narration was a little on-the-nose. But the production looked great and all the actors seemed very committed to their roles.

[@Zickcermacity]

32:18 - moment of impact, caught on film

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

A re-enactment, though. But a real version exists.

[@Zickcermacity]

@@mattthrun-nowicki8641 Even the handheld film sequence?

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

@@Zickcermacity Considering how much of a lock and key the actual CVR recording and other primary sources are kept, I find it extremely unlikely they’d use real passenger footage showing the moment of impact and people in the process of dying (or the real CVR recording in the scene where Mahon goes to Washington, for that matter) in a televised docudrama. Moreover, none of the people in that clip are recognizable in the actual released clips featuring people like Mr. Christmas, Melinda Arnold, etc. Not saying I’m 100% certain, but based on that, I’d say 95%,

[@alexkutt534]

the 257 people on board felt nothing there vision was like a light turning off 100x faster. the plane hit the mountain at 500kph

[@abe2571]

That chief pilot guy sounds like Morgan freeman.

[@Levin-ey1bu]

9:52...Bingo. Totally agree.

[@sonyastribling2600]

Air New Zealand’s actions were disgraceful they should have been charged with murder. The fact they all went into cover up how can someone live with themselves

[@jeroenjansen2709]

An accident is always the result of a series of events. Yes the coordinate was changed without informing the pilot but given the circumstances he should have checked and plotted that coordinate. The circumstances being the fact that you are going to fly extremely low next to mnt Erebus and other hills and mountains with potentially difficult visual conditions.

[@jeaniehorton5964]

Well stated!

[@alanbennetts3080]

Mahon's inquiry report is available online.

[@ajs41]

Does it include all the interviews he did during the inquiry?

[@Parker6432]

Why don't you just LOOK!

[@hisheroship]

Unfortunately this would mean that a world court would be less corrupt. Sadly, I don’t think that would be the case.

[@robertfindlay2325]

From the Royal Society Range to the west I could see clear air between the cloud-base at maybe 400 feet on Mt Erebus and the sea, although this was after the plane had been reported as missing. Photos taken over the right wing of the plane before the crash clearly showed Beaufort Island, and Peter Mulgrew was recorded in the cockpit recorder as saying that he thought that that island was Beaufort Island. If Beaufort Island is on your right side when flying south at that altitude in that part of the world there is only one thing that can happen, and it did. The crash had nothing to do with the aeroplane. Firstly the flight plan had been changed with the aircraft flying about 2 degrees to the east of the original flight plane when it left New Zealand. Second, the pilot was no doubt unfamiliar with white-out conditions and their disorienting effects, which have to be experienced to be believed. Third, clearly the pilot was clearly unfamiliar with the local geography. Fourth Peter Mulgrew should have screamed his head off when he recognised Beaufort Island on the right rather than being polite; but such is the problem of speaking to authority when that authority is the captain of a ship or aeroplane. And fifth, I recall being told by a former colleague that he was on a radio to the aircraft about maybe 20 minutes or was it 40 minutes before the crash telling the pilot that McMurdo Sound was clouded in and it would be better to fly over the Dry Valleys to the west, which were clear. It's now nearly 40 years ago; let the dead rest in peace.

[@timothyfidler2088]

Mulgrew was never reported as speaking of Beaufort Island on the official and therefore quickly searchable transcript. The only matches I get on Island are Ross Island but they are equally as bad - Ross Island is recorded as being on the right - but very close to the end of tape. It is possible a passenger recorder caught the Mulgrew comments and that came out in the hearing. Or you are confused. I know that passengers did take photos of Beaufort and those photos were recovered. Air Nz did Collins and Cassin a great disservice by having so many in the cockpit area.. It seems the flight was over manned and then Mulgrew was there too. Perhaps Mulgrew was unaware of the official flight plan as per maps handed out to all passengers, or perhaps he liked hearing the sound of his own voice and simply not thinking about what he was saying. The fact remains that if Collins had peace and quiet he may have been ticking off waypoints and or finding them unobservable and then Beaufort sticking up like a sore thumb on the SBD side of the aircraft would have been a huge flag that either the course in the INS was wrong or the INS had malfunctioned. But he had Mulgrew biting his ear the whole time.

[@stevenfarrington2361]

@taxid3rmy All the points in your statement have been debunked by the video itself, I'm stunned that you missed them. Collins descended to 1400ft because he believed he was flying over water. He had been briefed as such. The flight crew were unaware of the phenomenon of whiteout and probably thought they were travelling through cloud. Because of this they relied on their instruments to navigate but the instruments (we now know) were unable to determine mountain ice from sea ice. The result was fatal and not the crew's fault.

[@stevenfarrington2361]

@taxid3rmy While this is classed as a 'docudrama', it uses the court transcripts as the script for the courtroom scenes, the actors closely resemble their actual characters, this is a who's who of NZ's finest actors of the time and was made comtemporary to the incident before politically motivated fake news rewriting of history which is the current norm. I'm a 47yr old kiwi, I remember the incident and it's impact on society.

[@Parker6432]

There is (or was) one other very crappy American so-called doco about Erebus. It was a load of rubbish! Perhaps therefore it is no longer apparently available on KZbin (thank goodness!)

[@Parker6432]

Don't worry @Steven Farrington - there are always idiots out there. I have all relative correspondence and transcripts from the enquiry's - including photographs.

[@karyncremeens9376]

I still don’t understand why the coordinates were changed. 🤔

[@tonyduncan9852]

Our Great Filter.

[@factsoverfeelings1]

Isn't there a conflict of interest when the PM of NZ has personal financial interest in a company under investigation ????

[@michaeljohnbrown6367]

And justice Mahon family should be compensated

[@jdshemp]

Justice Mahon was a spiritual winner,God will Judge the rest......

[@alexkutt534]

scene 32:19 flight 901 hits Mt Erebus. scene 32:20 inflight footage camera get damaged showing no more inflight footage. RIP All 257

[@fedepetit]

What was the point of changing the coordinates?. Why AirNZ didn't tell the pilot?

[@cccc9911]

I feel bad for the pilots who can't speak for themselves.....however, I have to agree that the pilot needs to know where he is. If I were a pilot, there is no way I'd let the "company" get between me and my flight...no matter what. If I wasn't sure where I was, or become confused at a low altitude, I would have climbed and tried again. For cryin out loud, they had enough fuel to be up there for hours.

[@pirate3599]

Exactly. What happened to the principle of checking your ACTUAL POSITION against your terrain map , like we all do? Collins never did this, if he did he would have noticed a 14000 feet mountain directly in front of him!! FFS why was this? Very very UNPROFESSIONAL

[@Zickcermacity]

I'm confused: When ANZ(Air New Zealand) commenced these Antarctic tours in 1977, according to this Wikipedia entry: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus_disaster the approved flightpath included a segment flown at over FL160(over 16,000 feet) directly over the summit of Mount Erebus, near McMurdo Bay Antarctica. But due to a typographical error, the sight-seeing DC-10s had all been flying well to one side of Mt. Erebus, clearing it by several miles. This error was ostensibly spotted during a hearing earlier in November 1979, weeks before Captain Collin's flight. Early in the morning before Captain Collin's flight, the coordinates were corrected to, ??, the 1977 intended figures directly over Erebus?, but Collins and his crew were not informed. Becuse Collins thought they would fly over the sound when programming the autopilot at the airport, they programmed the lower altitudes they thought adequate for flying over a body of water. Am I reading this correctly that the November 9th ANZ meeting restored the sighteeing flight path back OVER Mt. Erebus? Help!!

[@slowpoke3102]

This is an excellent film the only disappointment with myself is trying to find out why the DC-10s computers were reprogrammed with askew data. This is extremely extraordinary circumstance. The result is only surface reflection of the facts without much probing.

[@JVsMusicalSoundscapes]

I agree with the judge's conclusion, but I do think there was pilot error involved in flying below 2,000 ft in whiteout conditions, regardless of lack of training, If you're flying blind or confused, you should pull up regardless of where you think that you are.

[@JVsMusicalSoundscapes]

I just finished watching Calling Out Mayday's detailed description of the flight. Collins did decide to ascend out of the situation (prior to the GPS warning): unfortunately, due to his belief that he was in the Sound, it was too late.

[@tiadaid]

Because of lack of training, they didn’t realize they were in whiteout conditions. They thought they were flying above flat ice.

[@davidbloxham6114]

Interesting! 😀Very tragic

[@prac2]

They left out the irritating stenographer

[@adamsmith275]

20:50 ...C'mon!... Who can identify the quote?... 1:12:04

[@arrivingone]

Thanks for sharing, do you have a copy for HD

[@granskare]

politics as usual

[@icemachine79]

32:51 *WHAT?!?*

[@michaeljohnbrown6367]

Corporate murder the blame still is with air new Zealand labour party said sorry to all new Zealanders admission of guilt those families now need compensation

[@simonm1447]

This prime minister reminds me at Donald Trump or Mr Bolsonaro - a guy with a very bad behavior, shabby and disgraceful.

[@JackOSUrulz]

More like a clueless idiot like joe biden. Or a buffoon such as bernie sanders. Or even chuckie schumer. Or any of a number of stupid ass liberal dipshits.

[@simonm1447]

@@JackOSUrulz Trump voter go home - you lost the election, and your former president killed a lot of people by ignoring Covid

[@JackOSUrulz]

@@simonm1447 LOL!! You sound pretty stupid, like someone who doesn’t know anything unless CNN sticks it in your head....don’t you have some Dr. Seuss books you should be burning?? Poor ol stupid liberals, you idiots are not unlike the last folks on the deck of the Titanic...scrambling around, believing the bullshit you are being told, yet not able to face the inevitable outcome....

[@JackOSUrulz]

@@simonm1447 by the way, if PRESIDENT TRUMP didn’t start the process, we would still be watching the numbers go up. So sad your liberal leaders had to weaponize a virus to further their political agenda....

[@simonm1447]

@@JackOSUrulz I'm not an American, and I don't live in America. If you vote for such people, it's your problem, not mine. He was never my leader, nor is Biden my leader. The only thing he started was the vaccine order - everything else was done by governors on state level.

[@jslasher1]

The grotty beards on a few of the men gives away the time-frame of this film. A clear majority of males were clean-shaven in the early 1980s, which is when the incident and subsequent investigations took place.

[@miragesmack007]

jslasher1 all the beards were correct, they replicated the men who wore them at the time. Or women, who knows at this point in society. If you watch the actual videos of the actual testimony, you'll see those same "grotty" beards.

[@DarkLight753]

The accident took place on November 28, 1979. The Chippindale investigation was made pretty much straight away. The Mahon inquiry started around June/July 1980.

[@nicholasjohnson6724]

Having a dig at biblical flat earth 🌎, GTFOH !!!!!

[@luispacheco6807]

Yankees always on the wrong way.

[@pirate3599]

Sadly, this crash was the pilots fault.once in the air, the buck stops with the PIC

[@cchris874]

That's only because we choose to look at it that way. There is no law that states this is the best way to look at the main causes of aviation accidents. The pilot was partly at fault, but the primary cause may well be the lack of pilot training in polar conditions.

[@pirate3599]

The track errors are just a red herring. The fact remains that the crew failed to confirm their actual position Before descending below MSA

[@tiadaid]

The crew's failure to confirm their actual position is just a red herring. The fact remains, they were briefed that they were supposed to fly down McMurdo Sound and that's where they believe they were, especially given the whiteout conditions that they weren't trained to expect.

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

Wrong. They confirmed where they THOUGHT they were, in keeping with VFR, attempting to identify visual references on the ground as such. They didn’t know a) their final waypoint coordinates were switched, b) that Lewis Bay contained geography that was freakishly similar to McMurdo Sound, with references appearing on identical azimuths, and c) about the sector whiteout deception. Track errors are not a red herring- they’re an inherent part of the crash.

[@pirate3599]

@@mattthrun-nowicki8641 how on earth does where THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE have anything to do with it? You must know your ACTUAL POSITION

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

@@pirate3599 Your inability to synthesize the discrepancy between where they thought they were and where they actually were is often justified in a aviation disasters…but not in this case. Consider: 1) The flight crew had their last waypoint changed the day of their flight without their knowledge (but every other one was normal). 2) They had input their flightplan into their CDU without error (but Air NZ Protocol at the time didn’t call for plotting lat/long coordinates) 3) McMurdo ATC’s flight plan for the flight had their final coordinates obscured, so not even the air traffic controllers knew they were off track. 4) There are clear freakish similarities between the entry into Lewis Bay and McMurdo Sound 5) Flight screws weren’t trained on white out 6) The NDB was reportedly taken offline in the weeks leading up to the crash 7) the ATC invited the plane to 1500 feet (thinking the flight plan lay through McMurdo Sound, which it had for nearly 2 years until hours before the flight) 8) Flight dispatch never gave them indications that they were flying into Lewis Bay. This list could go on and on. Do you want me to keep going? Or would you rather do your own homework before making ignorant comments?

[@pirate3599]

As a TRE myself, whenever conducting a flight test on fellow pilots, this basic rule, is one of the most important (confirm your actual position), sadly it's becoming a lost skill with younger guys because of their faith in GPS, but GPS will still take you to the accident site if you don't know where you are

[@user-clintredwood]

Realy makes me mad when government gets involved in the justice system. They shld always be seperate. Rip justice, you are a shining star to your calling and your loyalty to truth i stand in aww

[@johncongerton7046]

"Piggy" Muldoon, of unmourned passing

[@Zickcermacity]

I'm confused: When ANZ(Air New Zealand) commenced these Antarctic tours in 1977, according to this Wikipedia entry: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus_disaster the approved flightpath included a segment flown at over FL160(over 16,000 feet) directly over the summit of Mount Erebus, near McMurdo Bay Antarctica. But due to a typographical error, the sight-seeing DC-10s had all been flying well to one side of Mt. Erebus, clearing it by several miles. This error was ostensibly spotted during a hearing earlier in November 1979, weeks before Captain Collin's flight. Early in the morning before Captain Collin's flight, the coordinates were corrected to, ??, the 1977 intended figures directly over Erebus?, but Collins and his crew were not informed. Becuse Collins thought they would fly over the sound when programming the autopilot at the airport, they programmed the lower altitudes they thought adequate for flying over a body of water. Am I reading this correctly that the November 9th ANZ meeting restored the sighteeing flight path back OVER Mt, Erebus? Help!!

[@simonm1447]

According to this Video, they changed the route shortly before this last fatal flight took of, but didn't inform the crew kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqq6p4J_lLJ3Y7M

[@Zickcermacity]

Simon Maier: Yes, back to the original 1977 coordinates carrying the tours directly over the summit of Erebus. Yet they made the revision at two in the morning and did not notify Collins' crew. What would they gain by allowing expensive equipment and 257 innocent lives to be flown into the flank of a mountain??

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

They changed the coordinates hours before Collins’s flight. The question about “finding out” the coordinates were “wrong” is highly contentious. What happened was that Capt. Leslie Simpson (who had attended the same briefing as Collins and was under the impression his coordinates would lead him down McMurdo Sound) eyeballed the coordinates’ relative locations on a map and figured that the final waypoint would be around 10 nm from the TACAN. During his flight, he was shocked to see that it was actually 27 miles, and phoned up R. Johnson, one of the senior executive briefing pilots represented in this documentary, to inform him of his finding that it was 27 miles, so as to prevent subsequent crews from wasting time (remember, they had to conserve fuel because the flights were pushed to the limits of the DC-10’s fuel capacity) checking their AINS accuracy if they similarly thought the cross track distance was 10 miles. In the initial copies of Johnson’s write up of his conversation with Simpson, he says this, but later revised his statement numerous times to say something entirely different- that a line pilot had the gall to tell him that the final waypoint would be better placed at 166’ 58 (at the TACAN) than it’s present position. He denied Simpson told him about the cross track distance (despite his initial memo and Simpson’s consistent statements to this effect). Johnson then reportedly instructed the Nav department to look at the final waypoint, and they then adjusted it to the TACAN and had tried to expedite the change by manually updating the computer system, instead of waiting for the automatic update scheduled to happen the next week (as another Antarctica flight was scheduled to leave the next day). For unclear reasons, that didn’t happen (or else, under different weather circumstances, the discrepancy in waypoint coordinates may have been discovered by the crew that flew 901 a week before Collins), and the flight plan was automatically updated 6 hrs before Collins’s departure. Incredibly, the same navigation employees reported committing a parallel (but dinstinct) “error” that led to the flight plan printed out right before Collins’s flight to NOT print what’s called a “flash ops” message- the line that contains warnings of flight plan changes from that which the pilots saw at their briefing. So the pilots had NO indication that their flight plan was changed, despite the existence of a way this was usually communicated day-of-flight. It was just another “error” by Brian Hewitt. A final takeaway- in most instances, what initially looks suspicious or conspiratorial on a superficial viewing of an air disaster dissipates the closer one looks. In the case of Air NZ 901, it’s exactly the opposite…the closer you look, the MORE sinister the case becomes…Air NZ and (Civil Aviation) were lying through their teeth.