Eric Clapton Signature Stratocaster Review | Miami Guitar Lessons | 7864573687

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Dyce Kimura

Dyce Kimura

Күн бұрын

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@DavidBrown-qx6ni
@DavidBrown-qx6ni 9 жыл бұрын
This guitar player rules. This is the most helpful and honest review of this strat I have found on all of youtube. Keep up the good work man.
@888jimm
@888jimm 3 жыл бұрын
I have a White one coming this Friday!! Excited Thanks for the great demo 😎
@riffdigger2133
@riffdigger2133 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I learned so much a week after buying my EC Blackie Strat. You really articulated the Woman Tone idea and played it with the Ibanez Tube Screamer. I really labored over the color before ordering mine, which is black. I am agreeing with you on the white, with a tidge of buyers remorse. You make a good point. If I could have compared both in a shop, I might have chosen white. Our shops here had none at all, so I read guitar forums. And what might look great (like the white) on KZbin may not be so, when you see it personally. Nice that your student lent you the white one so you could evaluate. Blackie is still a great choice, but yes the white... Yes, the V neck totally threw me as well, and I found it hard to play. I was hoping it was a D. But you encourage me to *keep at it* so my depression is lifting. Thank you. Yes, you would be and are- a fine guitar instructor and your students are fortunate to have you in their local area. Cheers! And thank you.
@davecell3923
@davecell3923 8 жыл бұрын
Best Clapton sig review I've seen. Very helpful to a perspective purchaser, thank you.
@vanillebudding
@vanillebudding 10 жыл бұрын
Also, the thing you called the mid-boost is actually the tbx-tone control which adds bass or treble (how you used it, it adds treble). The knob below it is the mid-boost, which adds 25db. And the signature amp he uses is not the tremolux but the twinolux.
@Ashcraft60
@Ashcraft60 9 жыл бұрын
I just received my Olympic White Eric Clapton Stratocaster. Took it out of it's case and tuned it, then played for about 10 minutes...I have another ash body Strat with Texas Specials, James Burton Signature Tele and a BAJA Tele. This Clapton Strat just may end up being my favorite guitar. The neck is perfect and I have gotten used to the vintage frets since playing the JB Tele. Right now the Baja Tele is #1, but I love this new Strat!
@aubs1100
@aubs1100 10 жыл бұрын
Hi Dyce, just got myself a "Blackie", love it ...... and picked up some cool tips just from watching this video!! Pretty awesome your playing style and review!
@jubjub905
@jubjub905 10 жыл бұрын
the middle knob is the tbx not the mid boost, the "db" boost is the mid boost. the tbx is just an active tone control
@releshred1272
@releshred1272 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is old but you must not own one because you’re wrong.
@michaelwiley5427
@michaelwiley5427 4 жыл бұрын
Rele Shred! Actually he is correct, it’s called TBX, it has a center detention, and rotated it cuts or boosts lower or upper frequencies. And it is actually a passive tone control. The other gain pot for the 25db boost amplifier board. Don’t care for small frets too much string chatter. Most folks agree the Gold Lace sensor pickups used in earlier models were better sounding than the new noiseless fender pickups.
@curtisslow
@curtisslow 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelwiley5427 tbx means treble/bass expander. That is the middle knob. The bottom knob is the mdx knob a 20db mid boost.
@Chrishagen
@Chrishagen 3 жыл бұрын
@@curtisslow 25db
@b-sideplank
@b-sideplank 10 жыл бұрын
Wow!! So glad to have found this channel. Such amazing playing!!
@niceguy91320
@niceguy91320 5 жыл бұрын
Great review & Great playing. I just ordered this in Black & am really excited. Thank you for your time going in depth on this guitar.
@andresmasteraybar
@andresmasteraybar 9 жыл бұрын
Great Demo! One of the best i have heard about the EC strat and the midboost! Nice solos as well! Thanks Pal!
@trevorgwelch7412
@trevorgwelch7412 5 жыл бұрын
I bought this guitar it’s the Best Stratocaster I have ever had !!!! I also bought a 1965 Fender Deluxe Reverb Amp
@ondy71
@ondy71 9 жыл бұрын
good review. probably the only review i didn't end early.
@hectorfuenmayor1
@hectorfuenmayor1 8 жыл бұрын
Since a review will depend on the player's tone, appart from being thorough, I have nothing but praise for your vídeo my friend!!!
@IronDave1985
@IronDave1985 10 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a in-depth review on this guitar for quite some time...glad I came across this. Great job, Dyce!
@craigmckinnon242
@craigmckinnon242 Жыл бұрын
Hey man great video. Because of your video. I went out and bought one of those guitars and it freaking kicks ass. Better than a custom shop. Great neck and fretboard very comfortable.
@maurovalenciamusic
@maurovalenciamusic Жыл бұрын
I've been playing this Strat for 12 years and it gets better and better
@davidwalter2282
@davidwalter2282 6 жыл бұрын
I have been considering an EC strat, so I really appreciate your honest evaluation, including the cons. So many people just say the pros.
@michaeltitus7821
@michaeltitus7821 9 жыл бұрын
Really nice review! I bought the 2014 Clapton for all the reasons your mentioned here and have no regrets. By the way great chops.
@gfdonatelli
@gfdonatelli 11 жыл бұрын
Beautifully done Dyce - thanks very informative and great playing!
@benoitnezan
@benoitnezan 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agreee, the fretts are ridiculously small and can be an issue for bending the strings as expected when playing the blues. For many years now, Clapton's strats are built with Dunlop 6105 fret model.
@michaelgentry3360
@michaelgentry3360 9 жыл бұрын
Great review. I have been looking at the American DLX V neck with the S1 pickups. Played the EC Signature too. A very difficult choice.I really love Maple Necks.....again Great Review/Demo
@LaVozStudios
@LaVozStudios 10 жыл бұрын
Clapton does NOT uses 012. He uses 010-046. He uses 012 on his Martin Western.
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 9 жыл бұрын
WalkinBlues yes I stand corrected
@OldRunt
@OldRunt 4 ай бұрын
You go girl!
@Marclarband
@Marclarband 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome review, perfectly done. I'm getting one tomorrow, i'm kinda worried about the v-neck now but after hearing you say that its not a deal breaker i'm gonna give it a go. Thanks again!
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 8 жыл бұрын
great thanks!
@danielabarr6648
@danielabarr6648 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent review! Best review of this guitar I've seen.
@larsgardberg3861
@larsgardberg3861 5 жыл бұрын
The midboost is the third knob, not the second. The second knob, which you said is the midboost, is the TBX-control
@MarcosJ-mq4lk
@MarcosJ-mq4lk 10 жыл бұрын
Beautiful piece!....welldone on the purchase!
@laurarosas5899
@laurarosas5899 Жыл бұрын
I happen to realize that this video is 9 yrs old but no pedals? Awesome video, awesome playing.
@theinvadersband
@theinvadersband 10 жыл бұрын
Good video. I bought a used EC Blackie about 4 yrs ago. During the course of playing gigs I've been thru LP's, PRS's, Music Man ... guitars. At one point I think Blackie stayed in the case for almost 2 years as I was searching for a heavier tone, but every time I played it a set or two, I always asked myself "why do I even bother to try other guitars?" The V neck had not real effect on my playing. I have small hands too. This is the most comfortable guitar to play, as are most Strats, and the DB boost adds a little, but I usually don't go past about 4 or 5 so as not to muddy it up and still use my OCD or TubeS. You can't go wrong with this guitar, Hey, if it's good enough for Eric . . . Rock on!
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
thx for the input!
@kamikazegirl88
@kamikazegirl88 11 жыл бұрын
"Lots of spank on this guitar!" LOVE IT!! A very fun review, I learned a lot. Thank you!
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 11 жыл бұрын
lol thx Theresa!
@2309612
@2309612 Жыл бұрын
So knowledgeable and great player. great demo and review
@terryshrk
@terryshrk 7 жыл бұрын
Great playing,..great,great review! Wondering if you think a tube amp would bring out more character in the guitar?
@KauchiHotPicker
@KauchiHotPicker 10 жыл бұрын
Really sweet sound and very nice ax work! I like that guiter very much!
@lynnmorgan3283
@lynnmorgan3283 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. I am looking at one of these and also the Eric Johnson
@droverboy1
@droverboy1 10 жыл бұрын
Hi Dyce, I play slide guitar with only a little bit of fingering do you think this guitar would work for me? Your an amazing man..I like this one rather then the American standard cause of the boost and some of the other features.
@blues4ever
@blues4ever 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a thorough, comprehensive review. Not to forget honesty and strive for objectivity. Enjoyed watching - all the way. Kinda put me against the wall...might get one... Wonder, if you´ve come across any issues on quality fluctuations )between individuals) on this guitar? Not that I would have; actually haven´t tried one. Just interested. Thank you! P.S. You play very well.
@mickgrupp3925
@mickgrupp3925 9 жыл бұрын
Dyce that was the best guitar review I have seen on the web ever honestly I can't believe I sat through the entire thing ( your playing didn't hurt either) I am a Middle Class Father of 2 so for me spending $1,000 on a guitar is a luxury not often available to me. However having decided to sell my 2002 SG Standard I now find myself in need of replacing my go-to #1 guitar and it is down to a 2014 White EC Strat in MINT cond. He wants 1,100 and a 2012 Gibson Mid-Town Custom He wants 950 . I know if I play that Strat I'll take it home I need to try a Mid-Town 1st... Seriously kick ass review!!!
@deldia
@deldia 10 жыл бұрын
Weirdly good player. You've achieved a very high standard.
@danthedem
@danthedem 3 жыл бұрын
Did you ever buy one? I have a Blackie version, but my other strats are Claptonized (have the EC 25dB kits, V-necks). After that, I have never gone back to the passive strats.
@rick00770
@rick00770 2 жыл бұрын
Super good demo. Loved it. I got a Mexican strat with a humbucker thrown in. Just getting used to it.
@LevonsWound
@LevonsWound 4 жыл бұрын
great review of EC's guitar, in your opinion how do you like the "v" shape neck? Thank you
@melcantell7479
@melcantell7479 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Dyce ! I am from Mumbai, India. Really loved your playing and review. I was happy you also spoke bravely and honestly about the negative side. I will try out this guitar when I visit the store, I will worry about my small hands, and comfort with the fretboard. I have shortlisted the Eric Johnson, and Jeff Beck model too. will compare the three for tone, versatality and comfort. Wishing you all the best Dyce. tc
@phenixreturns
@phenixreturns 10 жыл бұрын
great player ! do you think this guitar is the best compared to a hss deluxe because of the boost? can we play heavy metal with harmonics in the bridge position too? or must i play with a seymour jb jr instead of the vintage noiseless?
@ryanlorenzo4921
@ryanlorenzo4921 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best review of EC strat, thank you sir
@nickycharlesworth
@nickycharlesworth 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this - I was seriously considering buying one online but was a bit worried about the neck as I have a bit of arthritis in my hands and wasn't sure about the neck. I think I'll wait until I can try one as I suspect I won't get on with the neck.
@sepulveda67
@sepulveda67 5 жыл бұрын
Great review, great playing, I'm wondering after 5 years if your are still playing the EC Strat or if you made any mods. The electronics are a good option since yes, the bridge pick up can an ice pick at times.
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 5 жыл бұрын
Yes Im playing the DG20 emg setup in my strats these days-never bought the EC only borrowed it from a student
@jacttanna
@jacttanna 6 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean about the difference in sound, but, to me it isn't sterile. I think a better description is "contemporary" sounding, as opposed to more "vintage" sounding passive pickups. I agree with you about the bridge pickup sounding best. Last interview I read with Clapton he said he uses 10's. Good video though. Very nice playing. I'm now your newest subscriber.
@waterhead001
@waterhead001 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the guitar would sound like when used witha Treble booster pedal and the Mid boost and TBX control on? Great playing too!
@vanillebudding
@vanillebudding 10 жыл бұрын
Nice review! But the pickups aren't active, the mid-boost is. And also, the boost is never off. Even if you set it to 0, it's still on. But at zero it gives more of a treble boost than a mid-boost. Also, Clapton uses 0.10, I'm absolutely sure of that.
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
thx!
@toneydavis9802
@toneydavis9802 5 жыл бұрын
WOW Dyce. You may find you are working a little harder to squeeze the juice out of this guitar but man is the payoff ever in the ear of the listener! Great playing. Would love to hear you at church.
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 5 жыл бұрын
thanks so much Toney!
@StephenOshea
@StephenOshea 3 ай бұрын
yes these are the best strat guitars i have ever played and recorded with, i own a black one
@panzerpanzerpanzer1
@panzerpanzerpanzer1 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent work....Quality review.
@theinvadersband
@theinvadersband 10 жыл бұрын
I just saw the disagreements about Eric's gauge - think 10 is what I've read too. Somebody correct me please, but I think I read Stevie Ray used 13's!! Talk about some sore fingers!
@olavhyster2267
@olavhyster2267 8 жыл бұрын
Very good guitar got mine back in the 1990`s,perfect star!!!
@dougjones243
@dougjones243 2 жыл бұрын
At first you act like it's the greatest guitar you've ever played but later in the video you become critical of it. Fantastic playing.
@troybagby4902
@troybagby4902 3 жыл бұрын
OK since I own a Clapton model myself let me correct you want something my friend. The first tone number is called the TBX tone control. That’s not a med boost. The mid boost is the second tone control The TV ask tone control stands for trouble and base expander. From 0 to 5 is your average garden variety ordinary Stratocaster and from five all the way up to 10 is if you had extras. And there is a notch in the middle of the knob separating the two. And that’s a 25 decimal med boost that you use.
@Taogunner
@Taogunner 6 жыл бұрын
Which amp are you using? Thinking of buy Fender Mustang gt40 for home practicing ..... can they work comparable sound with your VDO
@annabatarowicz
@annabatarowicz 10 жыл бұрын
your a great guitar player
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
thx!!
@mrlozano
@mrlozano 5 жыл бұрын
how efficient is it getting the thumb over the top at the open position for say a "F" chord (c shape with your fingers, w/ the thumb fretting at fret 1, do you have easy clearance w/ a soft v?) , as opposed to playing it on a modern c neck profile (assuming nut width of 1.650 on both profiles). I have a MIM strat that has a modern C, and to my dismay, none of the up to date american strats have modern C necks (or 1.650 nut widths, i always see 1.685) and I don't have access to try out any of those guitars. My only chance is to go to fender . com and use their "mod shop" and specify a modern c neck, but the only one they have goes from modern c at the nut, to a D at the heel. And im hoping that the neck profile they have that starts with a modern c at the nut may hopefully have a 1.650 nut width, because on my MIM i can just barely pull off 1st fret thumb over top F chords. (its easier in the middle portion of the neck) So I mean if i had to give up even a centimeter in nutwidth or neck depth, it will matter to a point where i may no longer be able to play an open F chord w/ my thumb over the top. But i mean if it's overall easier to do thumb over style playing w/ a soft V, i suppose I could chance it and try a soft V neck. Is a soft V "chunkier" than a modern c? or do they feel the same just about? It's not only frustrating not having access to guitars i can hold in my hand, but i try and find comparison videos on the internet and I find NOTHING! I would think this would be a big deal for strat players! Thanks many any advice you can offer me, I appreciate it.
@swordfish1120
@swordfish1120 10 жыл бұрын
Nice review. You get a real nice tone from that guitar. So did you ever pick up that EC model on Ebay?
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
i borrowed it from a student!
@bluesdog88
@bluesdog88 9 жыл бұрын
Great review!! I just bought my second lol
@MarcosGomes-wg6ou
@MarcosGomes-wg6ou 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing review and play!!!
@GiannisKontakis
@GiannisKontakis 3 жыл бұрын
Your fingers are enormous!!!! (and your guitar playing great!)
@thermality
@thermality 3 жыл бұрын
A couple of inaccuracies aside, excellent demo and insightful observations.
@glennevans5824
@glennevans5824 8 жыл бұрын
My opinion it's the perfect stratocaster
@Amandapatden
@Amandapatden 9 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! What amp did you use in this video?
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 9 жыл бұрын
Amandapatden custom amp from Billm!
@jamesjohnston6026
@jamesjohnston6026 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant demo thanks a lot
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 11 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@CountryHitsUSA
@CountryHitsUSA 7 жыл бұрын
Great Demo! Fender should send you one! You've helped them sale a bunch I'm sure!
@jlr022159
@jlr022159 7 жыл бұрын
Nice review thanks! ...but I'm pretty sure that Eric uses 10-46 gauge strings on his Strats.
@skippy3840
@skippy3840 10 жыл бұрын
Right from Uberproaudio web site: Ernie Ball 10-46 gauge Regular Slinky strings (for electric)
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
thx I stand corrected
@victorteran559
@victorteran559 9 жыл бұрын
just out of curiosity, can you get a clean dark jazzy tone? because if you can this is "the" guitar to buy
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 9 жыл бұрын
victor teran yes
@DigitalSacalait
@DigitalSacalait 5 жыл бұрын
Love the sparkle but the bottom end is a bit mushy. Probably the amp. Nice demo.
@jacobkincaid123
@jacobkincaid123 2 жыл бұрын
Is this USA made?
@richardsonstrat3963
@richardsonstrat3963 10 жыл бұрын
damn thats some nice playing you got there
@wesmatron
@wesmatron 10 жыл бұрын
Sweet playing, man.
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
thx!
@SimpleManGuitars1973
@SimpleManGuitars1973 8 жыл бұрын
I played one of these about 15 or 16 years ago and thought it was phenomenal. Unfortunately, I'm poor though. LOL!
@jdwdiamonds1
@jdwdiamonds1 8 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks!
@MarkFromHawaii
@MarkFromHawaii 9 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised how quiet it is turning down the guitar volume with all that gain.
@MarshallAmpMan
@MarshallAmpMan 5 жыл бұрын
Yes Dyce! nice dem!!
@mrc2662
@mrc2662 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome player, great review, subscribed. Done.
@jp0blues04
@jp0blues04 Жыл бұрын
The amp in question when u saw ec was a high power twin....original. 57
@niteriderband4713
@niteriderband4713 10 жыл бұрын
Please elaborate, what other guitar or pickups would you rather have instead of this guitar?
@niteriderband4713
@niteriderband4713 10 жыл бұрын
When you stated that the 25 db boost didn't cut it during a gig, what did you do to compensate?
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
NiteRider Band use boost pedal
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
passive is my preference these days
@iFacTzZ
@iFacTzZ 10 жыл бұрын
Get a mexican strat, a boost pedal, an overdrive pedal and a marshall amp to get that vintage rock tone
@seags937
@seags937 10 жыл бұрын
AH HAH another guitarist with his watch on his right hand! One of us!
@canadianrushfan12
@canadianrushfan12 3 жыл бұрын
I just got a 2020 Blackie
@Chrishagen
@Chrishagen 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds great! I have a grey one 🙂
@TheParisthething
@TheParisthething 9 ай бұрын
Man that guitar can really sing
@MrMichaelhall1991
@MrMichaelhall1991 9 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if there is a MIM eric clapton strat? I have been offered an Eric Clapton sig. Mexican strat for about $500, but i can't seem to find anything about a mexican run of this signature. any help would be greatly appreciated!
@JgHaverty
@JgHaverty 9 жыл бұрын
michael hall Bit late, but no theres no MiM clapton strat. It was probably a mexican strat with eric clapton mods done to it. 350 tops for a used mexi strat generally speaking.
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 9 жыл бұрын
michael hall no only usa
@gazzaad
@gazzaad 9 жыл бұрын
They did a ltd run Mexican fender fsr hss tbx boost player with noiseless pickups and atomic humbucker that was probably the guitar they was offering
@destinjohnny007
@destinjohnny007 11 жыл бұрын
man great playing >>>
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 11 жыл бұрын
thx John!
@MedmanMr
@MedmanMr 8 жыл бұрын
Really perfect
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 8 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@LetThereBeLoud
@LetThereBeLoud 10 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@jimsteele2072
@jimsteele2072 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds Great!
@KRAZEEIZATION
@KRAZEEIZATION 9 жыл бұрын
I never got this signature guitar malarkey. Having an axe signed by a major player makes me cringe. I don't know why, it's a marketing ploy surely to get extra bucks from fans of big star players. Anyway why would you even want to sound like another player? He's already nailed his style and tone and millions want to copy it! Why not sound like yourself? I am influenced by lots if famous players and I love guitars for the sake of guitars but signature series is a modern thing by guitar companies that started in the 80s I think. The guys in the 60s that innovated had only the good ol' stock axes to grind away on and now you can buy a slice of it. And aged or distressed guitars, don't get me started, as Zappa said "shut up and play your guitar"!!!!
@tomthx5804
@tomthx5804 8 жыл бұрын
In this case, it is not just that Clapton put his name on it. He had his tech install a mid boost circuit that gives a 25db boost, so it sounds unlike other fenders. Furthermore, some players want to sound like Clapton sounded in certain situations.
@jaypalmer9183
@jaypalmer9183 7 жыл бұрын
Yawn. Lighten up.
@brandonterzic
@brandonterzic 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. It's lame---unless it is just a really great axe and you scratch the name off you know?
@shawnglass108
@shawnglass108 6 жыл бұрын
Funny..People sure seemed to be able to get a lot of their own personal styles and tones using Les Paul’s signature guitar. This Clapton Strat is extremely versatile. 80% of someone’s tone comes from their hands anyway.
@classicraceruk1337
@classicraceruk1337 4 жыл бұрын
One day I hope to play Little Wing it’s a great song
@richardsonstrat3963
@richardsonstrat3963 10 жыл бұрын
so awesome
@patricktraylor6152
@patricktraylor6152 10 жыл бұрын
pretty impressive
@twlowe19
@twlowe19 7 жыл бұрын
I got a custom shop model, and I would have to agree with you. Wonderful instrument...but kinda ...sterile. I kind of like my American Standard a little better. Yes, still a great instrument.
@jp0blues04
@jp0blues04 Жыл бұрын
It really is simple.......it is mostly the brownie strat molded. That guitar was used on all the early solo stuff....thin sounding ......like on motherless children ....it was what all the guys were playing tone wise at that time.
@sixstringsensei6673
@sixstringsensei6673 8 жыл бұрын
Clapton uses 12 s? never knew that, I always thought he used nines
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 8 жыл бұрын
+Sean Carroll actually he is currently using 10's. He used 12s in the 80s my mistake sorry
@gonnabefamousreal9586
@gonnabefamousreal9586 9 жыл бұрын
damm you are a amazing guitar player !
@jackboyle9934
@jackboyle9934 10 жыл бұрын
I'm not hating on your playing or anything of that nature, your a good player. This review is simply ridiculously down playing one of the best guitars out there. The versatility of this guitar lets you play in pretty much any style. This guitar also has a nasty rude sound with the proper settings and amplification. To say any strat of the wall or those bullshit custom strats compare is ludicrous. Simply one of the best guitars out there and who cares what size strings clapton plays kids these days.
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 10 жыл бұрын
lol then you must play this guitar! However this is not the most popular strat fender makes. The people have voted with their feet!
@DyceKimura12
@DyceKimura12 9 жыл бұрын
7000ironman obviously the American Deluxe has the most sales. Personally I like the 65 RI
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