GOLF: How To Rotate Your Chest To Improve Your Contact

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Eric Cogorno Golf

Eric Cogorno Golf

Күн бұрын

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@PeterFrahm
@PeterFrahm 5 жыл бұрын
Your combination of professionalism, scientific knowledge AND the funny and lovable tough love segments like from 12:54 to 13:30 is absolutely great. Please always keep this funny edge and these little tough love segments.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Peter! I appreciate that! Will keep that coming :)
@phildeeha
@phildeeha 4 жыл бұрын
Eric, you are by far the best teacher on KZbin with your in-depth explanations and attention to detail. No one else I've seen provides the quantity and quality of information that you do. Thank you for your hard work and dedication and for the positive impact you've had on my game!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the kind words, Phil! Thank you my friend...appreciate you being here with us!
@pzman3852
@pzman3852 Жыл бұрын
This is great! Totally helped me improve my low point impact. Making much better contact. I think we tend to focus too much with the hands and arms in the swing. This was very helpful! Thanks Eric!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf Жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Thank you!
@leewhittaker1532
@leewhittaker1532 3 жыл бұрын
Love the video Eric and love the enthusiasm
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lee!!
@WilliamWilsonEgoliGolf
@WilliamWilsonEgoliGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Mr. Cogorno! Yet another outstanding video. I've been checking out some footage of my swing and have noticed an almost complete 'stall' pre-impact resulting in - you guessed it - loss of shaft lean, early extension and flip. Today I played and brought out your ideas onto the golf course. The 'shirt button' image really works and I now have a more complete understanding of how rotation works not only in the backswing, but more importantly, its continuation throughout the transition and into follow-through... Thanks! William
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, William! Happy to hear that my friend!
@joshuazwilling34
@joshuazwilling34 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I love having check points to refer to. This video combined with the stop rushing from the top video is exactly what my game needs to get to the next level.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
:)
@arng9588
@arng9588 5 жыл бұрын
I have become a fan of your channel. Your video's are some of the best out there. Keep up the good work!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@jerrycoile3282
@jerrycoile3282 5 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation in a video I have ever seen bar none! I have wanted this explained to me as perfectly as you did ever since I started playing golf 25 years ago! I’ve always had a fear that I would not hit the ball if my chest was open 30 degrees at contact. I have been told that I have a beautiful swing so many times but, if they don’t know the fear I go through just that one millisecond before ball contact! It’s been like a big huge chain has been around my neck forever in trying to make that perfect ball contact. Some instructors talk about lag in your swing and I have felt so uncomfortable trying to create the right amount of lag. If I understand your instruction right , you said the club should be shallowed out, hips square, and chest turned 30 degrees at ball contact. It doesn’t take but a millisecond for everything to go to shit as you so aptly described the swing process. I will practice this and practice it some more! Thank you for this video! When it comes to irons, I have struggled with my 4,5, and 6 iron so much. It’s like the more the angle of the iron stands up I get nauseated when it comes time for shots that are 160 to 200 yards from the green.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that, Jerry! To clarify....hips open more than chest at impact...but chest catching up
@georgetinwick3450
@georgetinwick3450 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful explanation sure is a lot different than the crap we were shown 25 years ago where just turning the hips would turn the shoulders which would then pull the hands and club through. I even been a decent athlete playing hockey and football but have never been able to shoot under 100 in golf. And finally I know why holding the shoulders and arms back expecting the hips and stomach muscles to do everything was a pile of crap. Uggh. tks again for sharing your amazing understanding of how we should work the whole body and not just the hips
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
You got it, George! Hope it serves you well. you are free to open everything as much as you want SO LONG AS you got enough turn and depth in your backswing... AND.....your club face is square to closed/path from inside. So there are come caveats :)
@reineevensson934
@reineevensson934 5 жыл бұрын
I have been following Mark Crossfield for a long time, and allthough i think he is really good delivering instructions, i feel that it is time he passed on his old nickname "the golf guru" to you Eric.. you are simply THE best on youtube right now.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks, Reine! appreciate the support :)
@Rudy2053
@Rudy2053 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric....Another excellent lesson . As long as you shallow the shaft in the downswing (a must) it works like magic. You are very right.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yup...have to shallow club with this
@alteca800vintageaudiosyste3
@alteca800vintageaudiosyste3 4 жыл бұрын
So Great Tips -- So So much Thank you for your lesson , I am from South Korea~~~
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@danielbrooks8520
@danielbrooks8520 4 жыл бұрын
This is really good so could couple this idea up with basket and alignment stick behind to shallow club ??
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
100%
@jsilva3386
@jsilva3386 5 жыл бұрын
Obi Wan, again another unbelievably clear and concise video, thank you for your generosity of information!!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, my friend! My pleasure!
@markburk9732
@markburk9732 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the information. The video states that if your only 70 degrees of turn back the whole swing putter goes to ***** :) love the comment. Obviously we are not all body type robots to go 90 - 45 - 45 to complete follow thru finish
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, Mark!
@davecollins1998
@davecollins1998 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! Blew my mind! Always thought hips should be turning faster from club parallel (in backswing) to about 45 deg past impact, or there about.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps!
@jamesgansley8884
@jamesgansley8884 4 жыл бұрын
This video confirms what I was working on!!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@TheLastBabyBoomer
@TheLastBabyBoomer 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome...my 10 yr old is ~30 degrees closed at impact and I have not been able to get him to open his chest. I do believe this video gives me the tools to help him. You and George Gankas are the best on the net. Thanks.
@TheLastBabyBoomer
@TheLastBabyBoomer 5 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention Rotary Swing golf as well. The 3 of you guys together have helped me finally brake 80. Shot a 78 last week after living at 89-92 for years. Thanks a bunch.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Love it! That's great news! Appreciate the kind words and you being here!
@davidsiu18
@davidsiu18 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@Godsson-jf9uf
@Godsson-jf9uf 4 жыл бұрын
man this video has helped me sooo much. For years i could not figure out why i could not close the club face to my path and i have tried everything. now i know my chest lags behind and causes face to stay open and also caused me to early extend. Would you say its a safe "rule" to have that the hips start the DS to last parallel then allow chest rotation to take over through impact?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that! "Would you say its a safe "rule" to have that the hips start the DS to last parallel then allow chest rotation to take over through impact?" -I would say thats OK to think of it that way, yep.
@fairwayray
@fairwayray 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This tip is very helpful!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
MY pleasure, Raymond!
@claudiochisani4120
@claudiochisani4120 3 жыл бұрын
excellent stuff Eric, would you say that with driver, having the ball forward, chest has to point even more forward in front?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! No...less!
@ufukgoksu9851
@ufukgoksu9851 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, I believe this is one of your best videos. Thank you. Let say your club after impact is pointing to 4 a clock in downswing, will the head move forward or stay still more behind? Thank you.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It should move SLIGHTLY down and forward to start down until hands about hip high then stays there until arms parallel in follow through. Then releases up kzbin.info/www/bejne/in6wdISwaNOfo9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/npPWeat5aMd8rZY
@razakhan999
@razakhan999 5 жыл бұрын
GREAT CONTENT!!!!!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@rgmccarthy
@rgmccarthy 5 жыл бұрын
Another great job of sharing your incredible knowledge of the golf swing. Continued thanks.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it, my friend!
@leewhittaker1532
@leewhittaker1532 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, does it matter how fast you rotate through impact due to the centrifugal force during the release.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Some---bunch of micro factors involved
@roliver7773
@roliver7773 5 жыл бұрын
You have an attribute that all great coaches have. Precise clarification. You cut right through the ultra complicated theoretical BS and lay it right out there. Thanks.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that! My pleasure!
@jacobbelmontes4899
@jacobbelmontes4899 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, do you have a video that provides instructions on what the left (lead) hip, and left (lead) knee should be doing from P6 to impact? If yes, can you send me a KZbin link?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jacob here is some info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZC6iaWagdaVqZY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pounXqBrZ5tnj9U kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXyxiZJtqdCBa9E kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYfdfWCler55r6M
@swthomo
@swthomo 5 жыл бұрын
Finding letting my head rotate much like your doing in this video and like Dustin does with his wedges is really helping my wedge game. It is a bit disconcerting not keeping my head down but can't seem to replicate the pure strike without rotating my head!? Guess I just practice enough that i get the feeling of that rotation through the ball. My problem with different swings for wedges is the grey area where you say it's a wedge swing or a "normal" swing?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Stephen! Glad it helps! I would have to see your swing to say specifically "why" for you it would work...generally speaking rotating the eyes allows the neck and chest/ribcage to open more...which may fit your pattern. Wedges to normal swing usually happens for most when you go from 1/2-3/4 length...for me that's 60-75 yards
@ufukgoksu9851
@ufukgoksu9851 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, one question please. So this is what I try and work but would like to know what your opinion is. When I use my chest for downswing initiation and also swing through, I think my pelvis turns anyway. When I use my just left hip for turn in downswing, I do not know if it activates the entire body rotation. What do you think? Thank you.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Yes---agreed in general. Of course I would need to see your swing on video to confirm
@ufukgoksu9851
@ufukgoksu9851 3 жыл бұрын
Mille Grazie.
@tripleblckvette
@tripleblckvette 5 жыл бұрын
Great video...at impact, isn't one's head suppose to be behind the ball...seems when I rotate my chest to face a few inches ahead of the ball, my head is also in front of the ball at impact...which for me creates fat shots...I guess my question is...at impact ( other than driver ) where should the head be?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Hello my friend! Heres a video where I explain that specifically: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npPWeat5aMd8rZY The short answer is: right side bend.
@offthehoofbbq9653
@offthehoofbbq9653 3 жыл бұрын
"everything else goes to shit!" - EXACTLY! Love it!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
:)
@ChrisRumin
@ChrisRumin 5 жыл бұрын
I’m going to try this at the Range this weekend but I am wondering if I’m leading with my chest rotation will I also revert back to early extending, which I have been trying to not do. I’ve been really working on adding more right side bend but still have inconsistent fat/thin shots.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris! Yeah, not sure man. I would have to see your swing to say for sure specifically what you should or shouldn't do
@leewhittaker1532
@leewhittaker1532 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, been trying this but I suppose it's important to say that if your weight is on the back foot at impact, your sternum can be pointing Infront of the ball but actually situated behind the ball if you know what I mean. Great work as usual keep it up 👍
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
For sure....hips need to move forward! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqqzlqWLrc2qaaM
@jamesbrey1719
@jamesbrey1719 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video !!! 🙏
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, James!
@robertdremluk810
@robertdremluk810 5 жыл бұрын
Do you think adding right lateral bend on downswing allows the chest to open more easily?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@nohandledude
@nohandledude 4 жыл бұрын
Eric, I hope it would accurate to say that in the first half of the downswing the shoulders stay passive while the hips move back to square. This causes the difference between shoulder and hip rotation to remain at 45*. In addition, this also causes the arms to drop down naturally into the slot.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Thats correct....talk about that specifically here kzbin.info/www/bejne/mITGg5-VhJuIi9E kzbin.info/www/bejne/i33cZJqHqtxrbrM
@nohandledude
@nohandledude 4 жыл бұрын
@@CogornoGolf Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. I have watched each of these videos several times which have helped in making much better contact. I now love to hit my mid-irons.
@randydriver3189
@randydriver3189 Жыл бұрын
Eric, is this technique used for every full swing from driver to wedge?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf Жыл бұрын
Hey Randy! Yes, all clubs!
@samr1953
@samr1953 5 жыл бұрын
Eric, is it fair to say that from the start of the swing until club release after impact the sternum should always be closer to the target than the hands?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@UKBLUE1
@UKBLUE1 5 жыл бұрын
Eric, Good job explaining the "why" behind your instruction. Can't wait to work with that. Question? Can I combine the shallowing swing path drill with the chest drill?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes!
@sirtogii5216
@sirtogii5216 5 жыл бұрын
Love it
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@flipgentry3862
@flipgentry3862 4 жыл бұрын
Eric, this is a good video. Do I have this right: the chest has no moveable joints and can’t move on it’s own, so by thinking to rotate the chest, other muscles and joints have to move the chest into a rotation. My point is this,: by thinking of rotating the chest, you don’t have to think about your feet , hips, knees, etc, they just respond to what you are trying to do. All you have to think about is rotating your chest.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
I would agree with that! I also think you could say that for another body part.....like the shoulders....or pelvis.... ONE movement will effect other parts.....could also reverse engineer it.
@ChiCubsFan14
@ChiCubsFan14 5 жыл бұрын
Eric, Can this be incorporated with the reverse slice sequence training? I’m getting a small draw now but no distance. 9 - 7 all go about 125 yards. Thank you for your great instruction!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Yup. Fix face first Fix path second Then add rotation/pivot pieces
@marcussheldon339
@marcussheldon339 5 жыл бұрын
Love your videos Eric. By the way my Dad's name was Eric.😀 I live in Spain and love to come on one of your 3 day courses next year. We are looking around June / 2020 Thank you think your brilliant.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Marcus! Would love to have you! Hope to have the schedule for next year set within the next few months
@MegaBroony
@MegaBroony 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Ibizassini
@Ibizassini 5 жыл бұрын
Cool video, as always! Also nice shirt, what brand is it?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! I believe that one is matte grey
@paulchen2413
@paulchen2413 5 жыл бұрын
How does chest rotation rotation relate to releasing lag at impact? Only the hips slow down while chest and hands continue the rotation or do the hands and chest rotation slow also at lag release?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
More chest rotation--->able to maintain "lag" better
@paulchen2413
@paulchen2413 5 жыл бұрын
Eric Cogorno Golf how does chest rotation affect lag release, if there is an effect at all?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Hold a club in front of you in your golf posture Have the club head sitting on the ground Turn your chest toward the target see how the the handle moves forward? Now turn your chest away from the target Keep the club on the ground the whole time See how that takes shaft lean away? Thats why.
@paulchen2413
@paulchen2413 5 жыл бұрын
Eric Cogorno Golf so lag release will happen automatically as the chest continues to turn at roughly the same speed between downswing and follow through?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Theres much more to it...thats just one factor. Hope that helps.
@lindacrass7399
@lindacrass7399 5 жыл бұрын
I have too much of an arm swing and probably flip. Should I be thinking turn chest, don’t pull with your arms, after I shallow the club on the downswing?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Linda! I would have to see your swing to be able to offer specific advice for you!
@Puttermaster
@Puttermaster 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Will it be any different doing this with a driver?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Nope.
@jboy5744
@jboy5744 4 жыл бұрын
Where should chest be facing with driver swing?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Same ideas here with driver-but some minor differences we explain here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/invXqWCni7iajLc
@maryterwelp6117
@maryterwelp6117 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! How do I upload my swing to your facebook page so you can give me feedback? Thanks, been watching your videos for months, very informative!
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mary! 1. Join Cogornogolf.com as a premium member 2. Search "Cogorno Golf Community/Members Only" 3. Once you get approved you will see directions to upload and questions to answer
@mikebarry7387
@mikebarry7387 3 жыл бұрын
What about with the driver?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Barry! Here is more on how to turn chest/shoulders with driver: kzbin.info/www/bejne/invXqWCni7iajLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHu5d3l_fMZjnJY
@joshuagibson36
@joshuagibson36 3 жыл бұрын
So your chest turns and the club shallows out?
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Joshua.....its PART of it. Want shoulders 90* turned at top of backswing and still 45* closed by left arm parallel From there it opens more/faster than hips
@mirandaslaats1342
@mirandaslaats1342 3 жыл бұрын
👍 👍
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Hope it helps!
@eJunkee
@eJunkee 5 жыл бұрын
Another similar thing I do is see where my right shoulder is during the turn/swing.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
I like it!
@algid
@algid 5 жыл бұрын
Boy, does that impact gone to sh*t position and explanation look familiar. Rare instruction that hits home and at least hints at a way out, thanks.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! Hope it helps
@tonycanniffe2360
@tonycanniffe2360 5 жыл бұрын
🙏
@francocecchi3550
@francocecchi3550 5 жыл бұрын
I wrote from Italy I'm Franco.. You are super.. 7hcp but pls eric in this video chest.. Moving point chest toward to target.. I engined socket.. Pls how i contact u tks
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Franco! Not sure exactly what you're saying here my friend
@francocecchi3550
@francocecchi3550 5 жыл бұрын
@@CogornoGolf hi eric I followed your video chest.. (I m answering just for this video) short back swing and point the chest in front of ball.. Unfortunately I failed making a lot of shanks.. And I wish to know where exactly you are in states because sometime for work I go in NY.. Thank for your reply and compliments because you are very clear in your lessons. I am in Tuscany close to Florence if you come you re welcome ciao
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Gotcha! Yes-would have to see your swing to say for sure why that's happening. Check out Cogornogolf.com you can post your swings there as a member! We are in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania!
@francocecchi3550
@francocecchi3550 5 жыл бұрын
@@CogornoGolf tku very appreciated.. I will do in this week end.. Ciao Grazie
@nige99
@nige99 5 жыл бұрын
"Free your mind and your swing will follow
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Lol not quite that easy...
@pietervandervyver516
@pietervandervyver516 5 жыл бұрын
Prof Say: Shirt button back: shirt button through"" and also "If you don't turn yre chest through in the follow through..Everything turns to sh*t" Boom!! enough said p:)
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
:)
@rjswish
@rjswish Жыл бұрын
If you don’t turn your chest through, then everything else goes to 💩. Love it!
@robertmayer1497
@robertmayer1497 5 жыл бұрын
To everything "Turn Turn Turn"
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Yes :)
@jerrythegolfer
@jerrythegolfer Жыл бұрын
One of yourvideos you sayhold your chest back now you ard sayingthey start turning at the same time
@golf-and-surf
@golf-and-surf 4 жыл бұрын
All the degree are perfect in practice. But all sucks when real swing. Damn this golf 😭
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Hope you get it sorted :)
@1cleandude
@1cleandude 4 жыл бұрын
Guys this is an awesome lesson but the S-bomb is totally unnecessary! Edit please thanks.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@MikeJones-wk5kq
@MikeJones-wk5kq 5 жыл бұрын
Everything always goes to shit 💩 Great video EC ... Love when you advertise you on your own channel 😂 “WOW”
@nige99
@nige99 5 жыл бұрын
other instruction says keep your chest over the ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wtf
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Figure out what you are currently doing. Compare that to swing that are better than yours. Find the differences. Pick the most important. Fix them.
@wesbilly
@wesbilly 5 жыл бұрын
Good video. But golf instruction is like church. They both will take all the money you are willing to give in return for an unlimited supply of information irrespective of how useful it is.
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Lol Thanks?
@lucylogan685
@lucylogan685 5 жыл бұрын
Too long...
@danielmcintyre8328
@danielmcintyre8328 5 жыл бұрын
No one forced you to watch it. lol.
@clnorris82
@clnorris82 5 жыл бұрын
So is your comment.
@PeterFrahm
@PeterFrahm 5 жыл бұрын
Not too long
@CogornoGolf
@CogornoGolf 5 жыл бұрын
:)
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