Eskro v Amery: Congratulations! Council Cancels Chief Citing Comments

[@justinjohnson5752]

If this chief was willing to potentially ruin his career over some perceived disrespect on a Facebook post, imagine what he'd do if someone actually disrespected him. Seems like a liability.

[@JohnGrohman]

Anyone Who Works For The Public Has To Understand The Fact that He is Going to Hear and See Disparaging, Decrying, Depreciating, and Belittling Comments From The Public! They Also May Not Allow Their FEELINGS To Get Involved!! The Swore an Oath To Serve All The People in The State They Are Licensed In!!!

[@carlgriffith4660]

But how is it possible to disrespect someone who has no standing to receive ANY respect in the first place? This guy is a douche and deserves NO respect.

[@nickgagliardo6360]

In his mind there was no chance he would be held accountable since he believes he is above the law.

[@dsprg]

​@@nickgagliardo6360he NEEDED that paperwork signed 🙄

[@lindiehammond7921]

If you haven’t watched the entirety of videos where her attorney cross examines the Chief, you have too. There’s so much more at play with how the Chief terminated her position and why and it leaves the Chief and therefore the public he serves, vulnerable to all future crime and criminal proceedings due to Constitutional Laws too. The fact the city wants to still retain him is pretty wild in my opinion. The city watcher FB group is to make the public aware of city government and its decisions and possible underhanded decisions. Because the Chief, without any substantial proof, believes Ms Escrow to be part of the group or leading it, he’s biased and unable to remain separated from whatever the groups agenda is. If he was a Chief with time, education and experience under his belt he wouldn’t have made the many poor choices he did which led to him interrogating her and would’ve avoided all of this all together but he doesn’t and this video of their interaction proves as much. If this one thing was an isolated incident I’d probably opine that the Chief needs some continued education and training for conflict and resolution and more but there seems to be a collective of mistakes or things that he is associated with or leads that reflect whether he should continue to be the leader of a city police department. Would training help reduce it from reoccurring, who knows but basic common sense should’ve stepped up in his mind as he committed all of this that he was cashing checks before they were dropped in to his checking account. You cannot enter in to human resource issues and investigate wrongdoings where you’re the primary target and run the show. Police are governed by specific standards and policies and he didn’t even follow any of them. He had so many resources to handle this matter and what did he do? Used his position, authority and emotions to take charge and he should’ve been excluded from all of it. A real police chief in his position would’ve taken the proper channels for all of this and I’m not even sure any Police Chief would’ve dove in to such murky waters.

[@tracyeaves1084]

The chief needs to be fired from his position because he is a liability for the citizens

[@johnenglish8773]

These council people are spineless! The chief was flat out wrong!

[@robertmcnearny9222]

? They returned her to her position. Seems the coucil wasn't spineless.

[@CowToes]

Yup. They're all sheep. They're the people we say, "Back the Blue until it happens to you." to. Totally losers.

[@vivianking4563]

Not all of them. That girl and the old guy next to her seem decent. That guy that voted no to reinstate Bethany must be a corrupt pos. Why did they even hire this guy? He has no idea what he is doing. None of them know what they are doing it seems.

[@Juamo-tn8we]

“Can we do something so they can work together?” Says one of the council member. It’s waaaay too late for that.

[@1776Angry]

​@JDog-tn8we Someone should have said yes there is. The Cheif can put his big boy pants on for starters.

[@zanepetty3193]

Please fire this chief. This is unreal.

[@PA_Transparency]

They also need to fire their AV tech because this audio is horrible!!!

[@jchar2347]

Right. The council is scared to even talk. They know they are screwed. They are trying to save their asses. So funny

[@jchar2347]

Lol they just voted to search for a new chief

[@lyric2439]

@@PA_Transparency😂

[@mrkremko1]

The Chief resigned. Complete cry-baby narcissist.

[@strider8933]

I hope she sues the HELL out of the Chief in both his personal and professional capacities. If not, this kind of crap will only get worse.

[@RichardMcGrath]

My strong suspicion is the board only brought her back because they were afraid of litigation.

[@KPLawNews]

That chief can not be trusted.

[@henrizzays]

The cheif should be terminated. The lawyer done a great job holding him responsible. His almost childish responses when pressed on actual facts and not his opinion says a lot about his character.

[@albertfife7452]

This chief has an emotional problem. If this is how he treats his employees I could just imagine the arrest that he’s made when someone questions his authority for being unlawful. This man should not be in office at all.

[@jgclark45]

he does have a problem. He sure gets butt hurt easily and retaliates based on that.

[@charlesd9483]

And all his cases scrutinized

[@AmusedChild]

So let me get this straight - she distributed public information to someone who was subsequently critical of the city, and she was terminated? Without HR or a representative for her being there? How utterly ridiculous.

[@RevWarRev]

The police chief ASSUMED she shared the information. NO hard proof, just the 'totality' of his assumptions.

[@balla2172]

That is correct every single thing. The chief said was based on absolutely nothing but speculation not one shred of evidence and he was trying to hold a her accountable for what other people may. Or may not have done with publicly available information.

[@marshalljones3341]

At will employment states should be boycotted. To throw good people away because your feelings got hurt should be criminal.

[@jonahtaivalkoski322]

@@marshalljones3341there really aren’t “at will” public service jobs. Government employers are state actors, and thus subject to the bill of rights.

[@sing2me]

This chief wanted to destroy this woman's life over 'disparaging' Amery by sharing a meeting announcement for the less than 3K pop town but his wife has Behemoth demonology on her social media. He tore into Ms. Eskrow like a demon... incompetent, unjustifiably and in clear violation of her God given civil rights. God be with Ms. Eskrow. Heinzl is already a proven liar.

[@chrisg5894]

Wait, that chief TERMINATED the woman he interrogated without anyone else in the room? What a LIABILITY he is to the taxpayers

[@lennychorn147]

Actually he terminated her after the interrogation was over with. He told her to return to her duties. She then decided to leave the office. When confronted about leaving, she told the chief that she was leaving and he'd hear from her attorney. That's when he immediately terminated her. Though it seems apparent from the interrogation video and the subsequent public hearing that was held by the city council, that this chief was intending to fire her over personal reasons.

[@irvy78]

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding absolutely

[@charliepiland3285]

He did that in his capacity as near employer and her capacity as his employee. So, to an official LEO action. But yeah, not a good look to be armed and to conduct the (perfunctory!) interview in private. He should have had either the HR Rep or the City Attorney attend.

[@charliepiland3285]

@@lennychorn147…you seem to be omitting the fact that, per BWC timestamps, within 30 seconds of the conclusion of the interview he went to his office & collected the already completed termination documents. That sorta disproves he only fired her for her stated intent to depart her workspace - which she didn’t actually do…

[@lennychorn147]

@@charliepiland3285 You mentioning him being armed is absolutely ridiculous.

[@Freddieduda]

That council member that voted to uphold the termination is worth the watching.

[@jacodabrown1807]

It was public information. What do these people not understand? The council needs to be removed along with the chief.

[@Doreana48501]

I believe you are right. Either those counselors haven't got a clue what's going on here or they are scared shitless of losing their jobs. Either way the whole lot of them needs go to school to learn their jobs.

[@nunya2954]

and people like this go to the polls and vote

[@mattrodriquez271]

Omg. I've never seen a counsel so unorganized like this one. Seems like they want to punish the person that got fired for leaving but not the chief for bringing her in a room alone and interrogating her the way he did. I hope there is more litigation going to happen for the officer's actions.

[@Mypretty2]

They didn’t even know what they could and couldn’t do. I would sue their pants off. The younger woman on council was amazing. Amery is very lucky to have her.

[@suzannaj3834]

IKR It was a train wreck with a positive outcome. Half the committee were sucking their thumbs as they spoke. Couldn’t wait to flag her file before her job was even reinstated. She was still being judged harshly by leaving early to speak to her attorney. PC should have given her the rest of the day off with pay after his interrogation and while investigation was ongoing. I would have left too under these circumstances -but- i would have probably said I need to leave because I’m too upset to work. You do what you gotta do…

[@ckennedy109637]

yes only her actions is being considered when his wrongdoing led to her actions and caused her actions... was what he did that casued her response right or wrong? did he lie about what happened? did he break any laws? clearly she didnt break any laws or rules ... she actually stood by the right of the ppl to know whats going on with our government... so his actions should be the actions considered here... but ultimately they came to the right conclusion to give her job back,now hes gonna need to be watched a lil closer cause clearly hes got it out for her ...hes gonna cost this city some money and taxes and fees will go up in this city to cover the tab... my prediction for the future of this city .... hes going to get sued and the city will have to pay and make sacrifices to pay this future bill

[@jonahtaivalkoski322]

@@gradeawork2242agreed. It’s actually a fairly well run city council. No one speaking out of order, and they managed to hold a proper hearing like a court.

[@CowToes]

That's exactly what they wanted to do. It is so plainly obvious that they feel the title of "cop" means that person is above all is peons.

[@joycemarie9702]

Ms. Eskro NEEDS to sue the Police Chief as well as the idiots on the “Council”…. Everyone should be held accountable for what they have put her through…..listening to the woman talking about “consequences “ that Ms. Eskro will have to suffer ….. I hope the big channels get a hold of all these videos….cop watcher , auditors….get the word out….blast and share these videos!!!

[@golumfrog7840]

Absolutely all of them are CORRUPT. They ALL have dirty little secrets

[@healthy2202]

The youngest member (lady just left of center) sounded the most qualified to be on the board. I don't think this is over. The cop is off balance and needs to be relieved of his weapons for a bit. I bet the lady that was questioned could run for mayor or governor and win with a land slide. She is cool under pressure and sliced him up like a Samari. He was too stupid to see his head was cut off during that meeting.

[@dan7102]

As a retired chief, the council obviously did not take into consideration some basic requirements or education and experience for a chief. He should have had at least a bachelors degree in some management aspect, as well as supervisory experience and at a minimum executive leadership training (FBI Academy, Northwestern Staff/Command, WI Public Management). He would have at least known how to properly handle personnel issues correctly. After that disastrous interrogation, he should have told her to take the rest of the day off. She can’t possibly do her job effectively after that.

[@ogiejii7885]

.....and government work is a total different animal than private sector. A department head should have some basic understanding of the steps it takes to terminate a government employee. There are very, very few instances for on the spot termination. Chief should have been on the phone with HR and maybe city attorney before he ever approached her. Chief made a very bad choice.

[@DeeRodriguez_BallerinaFaLife]

You’re all corrupt. I’m sure your hands are not clean either.

[@balla2172]

Clearly he can't even do his own job effectively let alone manage other people's interpersonal relationships like that I cannot believe that they even allowed that chief. To stay in his seat after that.not only that. If you want to talk about people making your town look Bad how about achieve that Fire Somebody Over someone else's actions with absolutely not on shred of evidence? Outside of taking a picture of a public document in descemunated it to the public there was not a shred of evidence she did anything wrong

[@marshalljones3341]

​@@balla2172 If asked for that information, she's bound by law to have it and give it freely to everyone. It's not like she has a choice in the matter. Public records are exactly that.

[@jonahtaivalkoski322]

@@marshalljones3341not necessarily, unless she was the designated public information officer. However, it would be a first amendment violation to punish her for distributing it people the chief doesn’t like.

[@dwayners13]

The last thing any police department needs is an officer (let alone a chief) who allows matters in their personal life, along with their personal feelings and emotions to interfere with their decisions. He saw himself as the victim, yet used his authority to be the investigator and judge.

[@jgclark45]

he is the chief of the feelings police

[@Privat2840]

They allude in the other videos to the fact the Chief is unhappy about publicity his wife's soft porn site got. Does he believe that this employess is the only one in the world who knew about this or would know about this. Any employess can not be wrong in distributing public information to anyone.

[@fredperry523]

Hired the wrong guy - he's not a capable police chief at all !

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Hopefully they have given him enough rope that he will, eventually, hang himself and get booted. IMO, he can't hang with the responsibilities of what this job entails.

[@jgclark45]

he is not qualified to work the mail room in the police department

[@GovilGirl]

Not a qualified chief, nor would he be able to manage a McDonald's. Also bad cop.

[@TheREALDJFruitLoops]

Bethany is a TRUE worker for the citizens...glad to have people like her

[@VioletWings1353]

She needs to sue the pants off the department and city. The chief of police needs to go. Thank goodness that the council did the right thing.

[@debbiekuether4518]

I hope she does. I am going to keep watching. But, I will add that this council should take some corrective action to restore the damage that Eskro suffered because of this retaliatory/discrimination AND ensure this chief understands that this type of management of a police department is completely unacceptable (and creates huge liability for the taxpayers).

[@edwardpoe7323]

@@debbiekuether4518 aaa

[@richardbutkis]

They are they ones that voted and swore the chief in. They're just as liable for his actions.

[@jesseerickson662]

The council barely made the right decision, it should have been a lot easier for them. Especially that lady on the left, I don't think she should make any decisions other than what's for lunch.

[@bobberguy1]

The council is attempting to avoid the lawsuit you mention. It is Eskro's decision if she wants to continue in the position. Seems she wants to. I would accept the position, work a two week notice and file suit.

[@Milania717]

The council members are completely ignorant!!! The chief had no business even investigating any of the accusations!!! It was all public information!!! The chief clearly retaliated because he had to close his IG page where him and his wife made money off of!!!! There’s absolutely NOTHING for this copper to have had to investigate- the council members are so ignorant they can’t see this and didn’t even bring this up!! The chief was the cause and effect of this!!! If he didn’t retaliate against her- and the manner in which he interrogated her- accused her without any victim with all public information!!!! None of this would of happened!!! The council members have a conflict of interest and bias - they’re for some reason on the chiefs side!!! And continue to allow him to move forward with the job- when he’s the one who committed violations against an employee- lied- was deliberate and with motive!! And caused this!!! He’s not to be trusted!!! He said he would sign the document to fire her based on his suspicion without any evidence- AND SHE DID NOTHING WRONG- everything posted was public information!!! This is a display of bias and ignorance-from the council who are clearly uneducated with laws!!! And continue to let this guy keep his job!!! He cost the city where he came from thousands from lawsuits against him!!! Yet they ignored that and the council member in the middle was the one who suggested he’d become chief-showing there is a relationship there that’ is a conflict of interest to the people of the city!! How many lives has this chief ruined and or innocent people jailed because of his actions!!!!

[@conscientiousobserver8772]

Especially that guy who says she threatened the chief by mentioning a lawyer. We all know there are unwritten blue-line rules that the chief felt weren't adhered to but nothing on paper that he could really prove.

[@CowToes]

@conscientiousobserver8772 yeah, that was so ridiculous. Just a bunch of useless nepotistic small town tyrants.

[@jwalkinshaw]

Because generally most people are bootlickers/sheep. Supporting the corrupt police is what is wrong with most police departments.

[@Liverpoolboy01]

The Council members are a disgrace. Sweep it clean!!

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

💯

[@honor4thoseb471]

Wow! I’ve heard more coherent and articulated speech in my HOA meetings. I’m glad she was reinstated, but wtf kinda city council is this…they acted like “well we can’t really speak our minds because we might offend this TYRANT chief, so lets all just say there were a lot of emotions involved…”. I would be very apprehensive to live in a town/city with a chief that doesn’t understand or protect the very rights granted in the Constitution. What a piece of work.

[@kokoriffic929]

Yes, exactly. They fear his unprofessional retaliations will extend to them. But if this was their own daughter or son they’d be screaming for justice. These people are cowards.

[@CowToes]

They're cowards. Simple as. They all deserve each other and I hope all the lawsuits bankrupt that shithole.

[@florenceiams5622]

Absolutely those cowards need to go... The whole bunch need to pull their collective heads from the "cop's" backside and get some spine and education...

[@steves9303]

Welcome to Wisconsin!! They’re the same way where I live in wisconsin too!

[@gordonhaire9206]

The fact that the council members struggled over this decision. Cities should be open. The chief should have been fired.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

It was painful. In the end, they still didn’t “get it”.

[@edwardpoe7323]

Heinzel was clearly retaliating against this employee, when I saw the interrogation videos I didn't know about the Instagram situation so I was asking myself what it was about, but the mention here clarified. Get rid of this clown chief before he costs you a pile of money because whatever else he is he's not any kind of competent investigator

[@dwayners13]

I was thinking the same thing. The last thing a police department needs is an officer (let alone a chief) who allows his personal feelings/emotions to drive his decisions. There was no substantial evidence that this young woman did anything wrong. Simply put, he saw himself as the victim, and used his position to both act as both the investigator & the judgment.

[@konamanstan]

@@dwayners13 It is a strong possibility that his behavior was exactly the same as he acted when he was previously working a different police force. I would pull his records to determine what problems or lack of emotional control has been a reoccurring theme before he becomes a determite to the people in this town.

[@RichardMcGrath]

They should have done that before he was hired. @@konamanstan

[@debbiekuether4518]

The only emotional person was this capricious chief. I don’t know how this city can have ANY confidence in this chief. He is in far too of an influential position and he cannot be trusted to follow the law.

[@TheEguarin]

Dumbest council members ever....still get the verdict almost right. Chief should have been fired for CLEAR retaliation. Why else have dismissal papers ready to go?

[@XJWill1]

The problem is the typical CYA behavior of the politicians. They hired the guy, so they are afraid to fire him since his incompetence will reflect on them. So they pretend that he is not at fault here.

[@ForTheLoveOfMike]

The Chief is showing you who he is. I'd love to see an update with her and a fantastic Attorney 🙂

[@jgclark45]

when they show you who they are, believe them.

[@ALusby100]

The disciplinary action that needs to take place is not on the victim but upon the chief for performing a shoddy investigation and basing his case upon assumptions rather than facts. He is most definitely Brady List material.

[@rcpilot179]

And when the List was mentioned to him, he acted like it meant nothing. Disgusting POS. He says he supposes courts in the future can disqualify him, no problem. It's up to them.

[@charlesd9483]

"basing his case upon assumptions"...THERE WAS NO CASE, what she did, if she it, was give a photo to someone of a PUBLIC POSTING!!!???

[@leximarie3808]

50 bucks that at least 5 of those council members have no clue what Brady means.

[@wannabemedontu]

Im not sure what was "tough" for the counsel members in there time deliberating the FACTS they heard. Only their emotions could have caused that. The facts were clear, chief lied, retaliated, and violated clear constitutional protections. But some board members still seemed a little lost on those points. This chief is a HUGE liability to this city

[@randy-tzu1624]

These people are more about feelings than they are about the law, they need the Constitution shoved so far up their hind quarters they can taste it.

[@PTRRanger951]

You don’t have constitutional rights when it’s an employee and a supervisor. Same as you getting called into your bosses office and asked about things. They can make the determination to fire you based of what was said. This wasn’t a criminal investigation where she could have got arrested based on what was said.

[@wannabemedontu]

Nope...I'll go with what the constitutional attorney said, but thanks for playing.

[@PTRRanger951]

@@wannabemedontu doesn’t matter what an attorney says. Rights are clear. Tell me what right was violated? Just because an attorney asks a question or trying to make it a point, doesn’t me the right even covers it.

[@wannabemedontu]

@PTRRanger951 I stopped listening at "You don't have constitutional rights when it's an employee and a supervisor" that's nonsense. Constitutional rights don't evaporate like that. That is some MAGA reasoning.

[@muttimutti6513]

Sounds like most of the council is up the chief’s behind. Typical city politics. I would sue sue sue for the way things went

[@CowToes]

They're literally copsplaining to the victim of the chief.

[@bigdisme5622]

He violated her rights there's no way they can work together and a lawsuit should ensue

[@Mark-jb9hx]

Seemed like a hostile work environment to me.

[@dewaynemetcalfe6907]

If I was her I would not want to work for corrupt people like this

[@lennychorn147]

The only bad apple is the unqualified chief of police, who allowed personnel feelings about public accountability to influence his decisions.

[@AcmeRacing]

It's FAR easier to find a job when you're already working. Being reinstated gives her a current employer without a gap for her resume. I'd move on soon, but she's been vindicated.

[@lennychorn147]

@@AcmeRacing Or remain to be the change needed. This all started over her making an ethical complaint, which was a bona-fide complaint. Which is why she had such support from the community and even officers from the department.

[@AcmeRacing]

@@lennychorn147 If she can bring about change, more power to her.

[@charliepiland3285]

You don’t have much choice but to go back to work…hoping the Buffoon Chief might be on his way out very soon. Because she needs a job. And city jobs have good benefits. And if she refused - any civil litigation is NOT guaranteed to be resolved in her favor. And she may not received any meaningful settlement. In other words, it’s complicated.

[@carlgriffith4660]

For Gawd sake people, FIRE THE CHIEF! He is unprofessional and will end up costing the city a lot of money. He is clearly unfit for the job.

[@tirkentube]

i think he's only interim chief, so his days are numbered anyway.

[@TheUnspokensin]

@@tirkentubeUnfortunately no, he is the actual Chief. The previous Interim that held the position until he was hired is now an Lt. and actually seemed to support Ms. Eskro.

[@XJWill1]

The problem is the typical CYA behavior of the politicians. They hired the guy, so they are afraid to fire him since his incompetence will reflect on them. So they pretend that he is not at fault here.

[@charlesd9483]

@@TheUnspokensin At least someone was paying attention. We all watch the exact same actions portrayed, yet many baffle me with their take of it. I just commented that the spineless council could have hired the Lt. and fired this problem clown.

[@DV-id6di]

He got removed

[@OttoByOgraffey]

I think they should have an explanation behind their vote. That guy that voted no, needs to be voted out.

[@florenceiams5622]

My personal opinion is that whole backside smooching council needs to go... Two working brain cells between all of them .. She needs to sue them also, enabling that ignorant bullyboi

[@happycanayjian1582]

Mr. Striped Shirt probably doesn’t like women in general. He sounds like a miserable tw@t.

[@nunya2954]

yes, because he clearly doesn't understand the law. however, all of them missed the illegal issue that caused all of this. they are all denser than dirt

[@kennethsonia5350]

Are these City Council members for real?? Un-F'n-Believable. What the Chief did is very wrong. He needs to be fired ASAP.

[@ruthlys]

The key factor the chief should have recognized as a supervisor- one canNOT investigate your own issues! He knew he had a dog in the fight, yet insisted on pretending to be an unbiased investigator. That was vastly unprofessional/unethical.

[@gayledrewry3727]

I am amazed at this whole bunch in my opinion her only choice was an attorney she was fired by a petty tyrant

[@Rob89139]

If I were her I would return to work, keep daily notes of everything and sue for backpay if they didn't make that part of the ruling. Also, The chief has a credibility problem moving forward just as her attorney pointed out in the initial hearing. If I were a lawyer in that town I would make sure anyone who was arrested by him knew it

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Yes. I hope that credibility problem stays with him until he finally does get the boot.

[@AB-et1ug]

I would also encourage her to get a mini bodycam to wear at work especially around the chief.

[@marcopalazzo9349]

No need to let the lawyers know, it will have to be declared or it would become a Brady violation about a Brady violation 😂😂😂 you just can't make this up.

[@benjibumble]

That chief had made a laughing stock of that city. He needs to be let go

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

💯

[@LaceyR_FreeEricBrandt]

The People of Amery are going to regret hiring Chief Heinzl. He showed everyone who he is and gave us all a glimpse into the future. We should now understand why our government is staffed as it is. If you have "at will" employees, you should NEVER give cause for termination unless you want to be sued. In contrast, it at least gives those fired some recourse.

[@mrmotofy]

But they have policies they have to follow

[@LaceyR_FreeEricBrandt]

@@mrmotofy - they'll be broke by the time they figure out their policies are unconstitutional

[@GypsyDreams81]

FACTS OVER FEELINGS!! That whole council and its town could b subject to this mans ego and emotions. I guess they will have to suffer at his hands again to see.

[@paulvillere2321]

The incompetence of police chief is only overshadowed by the incompetence of the council

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

🎯

[@phobos258]

what happened here is a absolute abuse of power by the chief. The fact that this department has turned off Facebook comments and is still putting up posts trying to boost the chiefs appearance is showing of how little they care about what happened here.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

I believe they are still answering the phone. [phone]. Please be civil and please remember they have an important job they are supposed to be doing.

[@phobos258]

@@deliberateindifferencewi "supposed to be doing" 😂

[@Rowgue51]

If they've disabled facebook comments then they have opened themselves up to legal liability. It's settled law at this point that government agencies social media pages are public forums and members of the public cannot be restricted from accessing or commenting on them.

[@CowToes]

​@@deliberateindifferencewirevenue collection to pay for their fat pensions is hardly important.

[@M1Swagg72]

@@Rowgue51 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the findings have been that you cannot block or restrict individuals from posting/commenting if they allow public comments. By turning off the comments (which I believe is wrong and shows there is something to hide), it would just no longer be considered a public forum.

[@andreacollins6306]

I can't stop laughing at the thought if how many incoming lawsuits are being started..

[@rockyv180]

If the council member was going to recuse himself, he should have left the room and not taken part in any discussion.

[@pamcroft844]

What are these folks saying? A hard decision? He had the termination papers ready! Foolish and spineless. And his "interrogation " was PROFESSIONAL??? Wth?

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

Still doesn’t make sense.

[@donforeman9051]

I think some are overlooking the fact it was 12:00, she did pack up her lunch and say she was leaving, only she knows her true intentions but maybe going to eat lunch elsewhere to get away from psycho chief.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Agreed. It was lunch time. And, you can't fire someone for what you 'thought' they were going to do. He already had those termination papers ready and had every intention of firing her after his 'interrogation'. She saw him with it too and I'd be pissed as well. Like, why did he go through all that bullying when he was intending to fire her anyway?

[@AB-et1ug]

Exactly - she had every right to go to lunch & escape that odious clown chief. She has every right to phone a lawyer during her lunch break - she obviously would not make that phone call at her office desk. The chief has a huge issue with making 20 assumptions due to his own inadequacies & paranoia over his lack of any qualifications or understanding of the job he currently holds.

[@RichardMcGrath]

Because he was on power trip, what is called in the Military a "Robo Cop."@@KimberlyLetsGo

[@mattwoolford6305]

Fantastic work and I hope Bethany still has her employment.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

She was reinstated and is currently working in Amery.

[@RichardMcGrath]

Good for her, I wish her the very best. @@deliberateindifferencewi

[@user-bkljiqw]

Mike Manor and this lousy chief both need to hit the road. No one has a fair chance with their retaliatory nature.

[@happycanayjian1582]

Mike hasn’t left the 50s, when “women were real women, who never left the kitchen, and most importantly, never disagreed with a man.”

[@jocarmo]

Interesting to see unpolished politicians, try and lie and cover for themselves. It is obvious to anyone the chief is a bully and just didn't like being criticized, and was trying to get the name of someone, assumably for retaliation, just as he retaliated against the officer. Absolutely disgusting people, even though they were forced to countermand the order of the chief because of sentiment from people.

[@XJWill1]

The woman just to the left of center was the only decent person of the 7 of them. One guy voted no to her reinstatement, and the woman on the right wanted to put some disparaging remark in the woman's record if she was reinstated.

[@JaniceJemison-o1e]

That council is spineless and should be voted out or fired! Chief is not qualified for the position! Fire him.

[@Richard-me2pq]

I am so thrilled for Bethany Esko! Justice has been served. A great shoutout to her excellent lawyer who brought down an evil tyrant.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

BHC says thank you for your support!

[@dessaarnold7540]

I think these folks need to go to school.

[@MCuniverseLA]

It’s an easy decision, fire the pig, we don’t need ppl like that having authority over others, he’s dangerous.

[@danieldavis2537]

The police chief should have never had a discussion with an employee without considering input from HR. Usually government agencies abide by the Weingarten Rule. Whenever a manager or supervisor questions an employee which could possibly lead to any adverse actions, disciplinary or termination, the employee should be allowed to have representation. As a government employee, a supervisor should opt to have a representative present to avoid any misunderstandings especially since the only recording was the chief's body camera. If this is an At-Will state, the chief has to abide by any rules found in Employee Handbook which most government agencies have to ensure appropriate policies and procedures are followed. Thus the importance of an employee representative and the Human Resources Department's participation avoiding any emotional involvement in influencing managerial decisions involving employees resulting in possible litigation.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

Very well stated! Excellent points and thank you for watching and commenting.

[@theresafrancesceppnati1659]

Are you kidding me! Those councel members should be investigated! Did they not hear how abusive he was to her! Completely stomped on her rights and tried to intimadate her! Tried. Stay strong Ms. Eskro💪

[@Jsee66]

It is very interesting that the council member, Mike Manor comments that it was unprofessional of Ms. Eskro to leave early yet mentions nothing about the unprofessionalism of the police chief in the way he handled the investigation - which came across less as an unbiased workplace investigation and more like a hostile and confrontational interrogation with a forgone conclusion. The chief should not have been the one doing an investigation - he made assumptions without actual proof and was trying to bully her into making admissions he had no right to - this isn't supposed to be a criminal interrogation. If the proof would have been more concrete and the investigation handled in a different way - I can see there potentially being a reason for termination (or at the very least some kind of acknowledgement in her file) based on employment policies that it appears were already in place -- but the proof was lacking here.

[@user-bkljiqw]

I was thinking the same thing! Mike Manor thinks this Chief has no responsibility when he is the one that violated Eskro's rights. When someone's civil rights are violated, they tend to feel unsafe and may retreat. Eskro actually de-escalated a very illegal situation and acted with more professionalism than this Council can even comprehend.

[@lennychorn147]

​​@@user-bkljiqwan you please explain what civil Rights were violated? And what illegality took place?

[@irvy78]

You know what they say about assuming??? It'll make an ass out of you

[@wesleyriley750]

​@@lennychorn147 I would say deformation or slander is the most aggregious issue. I don't know that civil rights were violated person but I believe the liability he presents is clear. He confronted her about providing public info which is deplorable. Also if he lied on his application I believe that he should be terminated anyways because that would happen at any other job regardless of what that position was and the fact that she spoke to other people their words have no bearing on her actions so him making a private attack a personal attack I should say against somebody for them exercising their civil rights is quite disgusting period I think that city needs to get another police chief before they get sued for insane amounts of money and if hes willing to Try to attack somebody's civil rights the way he did then what's gonna stop him from doing that with anybody else that he feels stands in opposition to his opinions

[@lennychorn147]

@@wesleyriley750 He didn't lie on his application, he was originally a Milwaukee cop I believe. He joined this department as a police officer. After the former chief left, he was first named interim chief. While still interim chief, he was supposed to start classes to fulfill the requirements of the position. Then the council approved him as the chief, before even starting the clases. That is one of the issues she was accused of publicly disclosing, by him. Bottom line, the guy needs to step down immediately and his buddy the head of the city council needs replacing.

[@donna626]

Get some 1st Amendment auditors to that place. Pronto!! Let's see how they react to people's rights in general.

[@RightsCrispy]

WORD!

[@cowbdave99]

Long Island audit go get them Sean

[@imyourhuckleberry8961]

1st Amendment auditors would make him all kinds of mad. *_2nd Amendment auditors_* would no doubt have him in a blind rage. I hope he has to face both... repeatedly.

[@rcpilot179]

​@RightsCrispy, big fan of your work, brother. Please, keep trying to keep the swine in line.

[@RightsCrispy]

@@rcpilot179 thanks

[@standback5806]

the chief should have never been the one to interrogate, question, interview her to begin with.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

His credibility is very questionable -not the a good trait for a chief.

[@markkernen322]

This police chief lied and allowed personal feelings to override logical decision making. He is incapable of running a police department. This council is dithering and still blaming the employee for the chief's shortcomings. He should never have been hired.

[@birdybinski1196]

I would’ve walked out too if my boss, a chief of police interrogated & intimidated me while violating my rights. He treated her like she was a criminal. Anyone would’ve walked out in her position. It bothers me that no one on that council had a problem with that.

[@MelissaPorshia]

Why are they assuming Eskro even wants her job back???? I’d walk out and calmly drive to my attorney and make an example out of this entire ridiculous town council. And that chief…hope he enjoyed his moment of tyranny because it’s all getting ready to crash down on him. What a reprehensible excuse for a chief of police. Pathetic.

[@TheUnspokensin]

This whole reinstatement process was started due to her decision to appeal her wrongful termination. So they weren’t really assuming. Given her previous ethics complaint on the hiring of this “Chief” and her actions so far, it seems she is trying to actually affect change in that city and more specifically department. I truly hope she is able to do just that. Seems like a smart, brave woman. It also seems very likely, from everything that her attorney said and the course of events, that a lawsuit is still coming. They just had to see this through first. I may be wrong though!

[@CowToes]

​@@TheUnspokensinI would lawsuit the shit out of this pile of nepotism and negligence.

[@iamjustgreg]

Hear hear 👏🏿

[@lindac6416]

Omg the City Council wants her to work with that. Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible manchild.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

Yes. And they “support” this chief. Sad and true.

[@iamjustgreg]

Hear hear! 👏🏿

[@nunya2954]

LOL permission to leave work? they are nuts, because no place of business can hold you against your will.

[@tuesdaypatience]

I would have threatened with legal action as well. You can tell how the “business owners” view employees. Somehow it was all on Ms. Eskro to be the bigger person rather than the freaking CHIEF.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

gofund.me/6bf1e1ae

[@tallchap8070]

The police chief went to such lengths to hide that he was unqualified for the job, then proved he was unqualified, and the world now knows. Great job there, chief!

[@knightd12]

Some members on this council as well as the mayor is just as bad as the chief!

[@RichardMcGrath]

Up above in the comments someone said the chief retired and the mayor resigned. Hope it's true for the sake of that town.

[@seattlegirl2077]

Wow that chief is one insecure guy. She has every right to produce a public document for anyone who asks for it and if she repeated something he said, I don't see unless again it was private city information how she is responsible for the opinions of someone else.

[@samstanford3301]

Keep lady fire the chief.

[@jonahzablow2132]

It most certainly IS the duty of city council to hire (and fire, if necessary) the police chief. The councilman who said it’s not their job to terminate the chief is mistaken.

[@jamesfrederick99]

In a small town I lived in many years ago it was the Mayor’s job to appoint the police chief. Many city council members did not agree with his appointment of a certain chief. Funny thing is, the council members’ judgement was warranted. This chief ended up costing the city a lot of money. He sexually harassed female officers and was inappropriate with females who had been arrested. There were rumors that it went beyond being inappropriate. He was DUI in the chiefs’ car on several occasions, but subordinate officers would not stop him drinking and driving.

[@ionskull13]

Why wasn't the Chief fired?

[@DanOKC]

Bozo Amery Police Cheif submitted his RETIREMENT RESIGNATION Ltr. on 3 July 2023 (5 months on the job) and on July 5, 2023, the City Council voted to seek a NEW Cheif of Police

[@parisachilles2682]

This chief, and board, are a testament that inbreeding resulting in crossed eyes and mental incapacity remains firmly entrenched in these communities.

[@Bruce4lmighty]

This council have clearly demonstrated they are more ignorant and incompetent than the Chief! Given his actions, that is some achievement… SMFH

[@XJWill1]

The problem is the typical CYA behavior of the politicians. They hired the guy, so they are afraid to fire him since his incompetence will reflect on them. So they pretend that he is not at fault here.

[@bonkerss2073]

I mean look at them….the majority looks like they have special needs

[@voiceofjeff]

Seeing this police chief's "interrogation video" of Ms. Eskro, I think you should part ways with him right after you restore her to her position. He made a mountain out of a molehill and used his position of authority to intimidate her. He accused her of disseminating information that was clearly public information as if she'd broken some law. She knew he was going to fire her and that's why she left. A minute later, he proved his intention when he had all the paperwork ready to go to terminate her. This Heinzl is trouble with a capital T. You really should put out the call for a more qualified, experienced person to act as Chief of the Police.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

Well stated.

[@charlesd9483]

They don't need to put out a call, they already had someone better suited...the Lt. who was the interim chief before.

[@gayledrewry3727]

She isn’t the one you have to worry about,you have a huge lawsuit potential in backing that police chief,his whole way of handling the situation was wrong and he should have had a third party to help him handle the situation,or a big pacifier

[@cherylgraves7382]

…or a big pacifier. Lol lol ! Great comment!

[@sprky777]

Simple, rehire her, fire the chief

[@linearrecords12]

I went through a similar situation and all I got to say is "facts matter" and the chief had none

[@magickone138]

Her lawyer is people’s champ. Amazing work.

[@dashoneconner]

They all Sound like they're scared of retaliation or saving face with the chief unless he stays I office

[@flamingswordoftruth7847]

The police chief basically made it clear he was going to fire her during the interrogation. And she never said she was going to leave for the day and of course she will bring up hiring an attorney after the Chief was violating her constitutional rights.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

That’s how it went down! 💯

[@RichardMcGrath]

Are there any updates on this case? Did she sue the city? @@deliberateindifferencewi

[@philliplopez8745]

Ms Eskro is more qualified to manage the police department then the sitting chief

[@healthy2202]

Give me a break??? It was a really tough decision??? This isn't a pie tasting contest. That cop is in charge of putting away bad guys with EVIDENCE. Don't have a guy in charge that goes by his feelings. The world is watching. I read a post from some guy in Australia.

[@irvy78]

I'm watching from Bonnie Scotland, and Im amazed that you can be a chief and be so dumb immature and we'll crooked, better than that soaps on tv 😂😂😂

[@Dennis-nm1jm]

I still don't understand how the chief lost money?

[@davidcarlson9050]

The most bizarre deliberation by a city council I have ever seen. This must be a city with a population of 200 people or less.

[@charlesd9483]

@davidcarlson9050 Funny you should mention that. Started watching a channel called, "What the Hales" and it turns out the town has 100 people and a corrupt council until this storage locker buyer exposed them and they now have a mayor who is making everything transparent to the townsfolk.

[@rayboucher479]

Of course it is your job to override this POS in his job if he has just been hired and showed his complete lack of judgement and failure let alone is a liar. He says he does not care he lost money and did not even remember it or consider it when he fired her yet already testified he had previously pounded his fists the table saying he lost the thousands of dollars. This is the chief who was willing to sign the termination papers that he himself had lied on after being confronted with his lies and admitted it but still was willing to sign. This is who you want to be your chief. It is one thing to make a mistake and not know but when he is confronted in front of everyone and they all know he was wrong yet still thinks he did the right thing . Good luck to you all as youWILL be back again !

[@charliepiland3285]

Around 17 min mark: several ladies are adamant that in the event that the firing is reversed, there needs to be some punitive notation added to her employment file - despite the fact that Ms. Eskro’s utterance was only that she was ‘leaving’…not ‘quitting’ …and she didn’t actually leave from her work area until after being fired (!)…mere seconds after she stepped out of the locked interrogation room(!) after enduring the absurd questioning by the buffoon Chief - is ridiculous. The only question should be: if we do reverse her wrongful termination what then do we do to discipline our Chief for his action(s)!

[@StaceyMiklosh]

Just recently ran across this site This isn’t about their emotions !!! It’s about right and wrong

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

We have a saying that principals and pupils are not equal victims.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

And come for the cross examination stay for the process due.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

We agree.

[@johnarellano7724]

The moron who accused her of threatening legal action is stupid. That was obviously not a threat. She brought legal action and won.

[@joeyd631]

I don't think this council really understands Employment law. The chief was Cleary operating from a stand point of damaged ego

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

We know they don’t understand employment law-otherwise they would not publicly say what they are saying out-loud.

[@tonypegler9080]

Mike Manor - Steve already had the paperwork done to fire her. Even if she had done all that you suggested she was still going to be fired. He went into that meeting with that intention.

[@dpjpkp1]

Why are people on councils, so scared of doing the right thing

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

We wonder about this a lot.

[@oldcop18]

A lot of the fault lies with the seven people who hired a police chief that had ZERO management experience to run their PD. If there’s a dumber way to make a critical hiring decision I don’t know what it is.

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

Excellent point. These critical decisions need to be made by individuals with some foundational knowledge.

[@RichardMcGrath]

Allegedly they picked a random name out of the phonebook.

[@oldcop18]

@@RichardMcGrathIf that’s true it’s even worse. I retired as the patrol division commander, captain, and handled these situations many times. We always got our city attorney involved and included city HR in any significant disciplinary action. This police chief was in way over his head.

[@jessewoodsonjames6669]

Everyone on a government payroll must be held accountable for the oath they all take to the Constitution, Its time WE THE PEOPLE get involved in our towns and cities to weed out and hold accountable any and all who violate their Constitutional Oaths that they swore when they were hired. This Police Chief can not be trusted and should be Fired immediately! Anyone who opposes the Firing that also has the authority to do the right thing,Including the Mayor should also be terminated and held accountable. We The People have the power to right the wrongs in our country and it is time to take action.This happens in every city and town in America and God will show us the light. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[@kansascitybob2430]

This is clearly a totally inept city council, basing decisions on feelings and not facts or proper procedures, could possibly, and likely will cost the taxpayers they represent in the future.

[@siegessaule]

I agree. They screwed up but can't blame the chief because they just hired him. He fucked up massively right off the bat and now they look bad. They can't blame him, so they blame it on emotions lol.

[@petero2693]

Legal action is not a treat..its accountability.

[@BeamieYT]

It brings up the line from Jaws where Roy Scheider says to Richard Dreyfus "I can do anything I want... I'm the chief of police..." 😆

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

Classic reference.

[@richardaquino439]

The problem lies with the lack of leadership within the city council

[@deliberateindifferencewi]

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