ESL RECRUITERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Besties, please don’t let recruiters get away with disrespecting you. They are WILD these days. Cut ties if you have to. ❤

[@amekotomine374]

Hi Nomfundo. I would like to message you privately. Can I email you? I have some questions.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

@@amekotomine374 if you want to ask about things I haven't addressed on my channel already, then sure.

[@SbahleMkhize]

Omg yes! Please put them on blast!! They are the ghetto!! Great video sis. New subbie ❤️

[@NomfundoMbatha]

They are one of the worst! Thank you for joining the fam. I appreciate it. ♥

[@nomfunekonojiwa8253]

Very informative indeed... Hey SBA, still love you big time.

[@iambloopy]

Thank you for this ❤️ I was researching this company because I received an offer but after this I will reject their offer. Thank you for the good advice.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

You're welcome. 😊

[@iambloopy]

@@NomfundoMbatha do you mind linking the video where you spoke of finding schools in China 🙏🏿

[@NomfundoMbatha]

@@iambloopy Please go through the ESL section on my channel. Videos are titled in a way that should make it easy for you to find what you're looking for.

[@senzelokuhlenkabini6004]

They offered me 15K rmb in 2020 whilst other companies were offering close to 20K. I think EF banks on the fact that they offer to pay for your airfare (which is very expensive), 2 weeks free hotel stay and a 12K rmb loan. The contract ended up being canceled due to the emergence of COVID-19. They DEFINITELY know that South Africans are desperate due to our high unemployment rates among graduates.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

You're 100% spot on. They bank on those enticing tactics. Other schools and companies do offer loans too, btw. The most interesting thing is they offered you 15 000 almost 3 years ago yet they're offering people way less now. This is upsetting!

[@phill3308]

I'm glad u finally address this.. people do not talk about it that's why u find them sour... The fact that you're consided a native and u have qualifications u have a value so don't allow cheap salary.. 18k is the minimum for someone with no experience doesn't matter which city unless it's big u can go 20k minimum coz you'll feel bad finding your "colleagues" earning 25+ after u accepted 16k..youll have a looong year

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Had to say something. 😊

[@hide904]

Kinda in the same boat as some commentators but also,I'm not from one of the Big 7 recognised countries (an edge that South Africans have). I signed up contract for 14K RMB but it's not so bad as there is housing, flight reimbursement, insurance, lunch, monthly trips for groceries and transport to and from work.

[@davidfrank5227]

Yeah I just got jerked around by a recruiter and EF. Recruiters have now started to just tell teachers there's a school interested and when you ask what the name of the school is, they just say you'll find out when you interview. Recruiter initially messaged me saying it met above my salary expectation of 20K. Turns out the secret school was EF. They offered 13K base with some COVID package of 4K per month and 667 per month flight pay back totaling 8K. So essentially combined was under 18K. I don't count the COVID package because that could end anytime. So essentially 13700 or so per month...........with no housing and no housing stipend. Ridiculous. I mean c'mon, 13K base - 6K housing - 2K food - 2K living expenses, you're left with 3K for one of the biggest international cities in the world which is about 500 USD. WTF.................what social life or traveling opportunities. They'll get a shit ton of work out of you only to leave you with nothing to do at the end of the month except treat yourself to a once a week treat.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Gosh! they're so dodgy. It should be a crime at this point. The sad thing is many people are taking these offers. Imagine barely having money while working in one of the biggest cities in the world!

[@davidfrank5227]

@@NomfundoMbatha Most recently today just got a message from them asking if my last name was Frank, as if there's a problem with that? Have yet to see what the response that is.

[@davidfrank5227]

Just got an e mail from EF stating they did not want to move forward with my application. Made me laugh because out of all of the reviews and searching I have done, there isn't a single positive thing I could find about that company except for that you'll get overworked and gain experience quick but at a high cost and for low returns/pay. As to how they are still in business is quite a mystery. Anyone in this industry with any semblance of an idea of what value they hold or what first time positions would offer should avoid this company like the plague.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

@@davidfrank5227 thought they’d made you an offer already?

[@davidfrank5227]

@@NomfundoMbatha Nah they just did the interview and said they'd get back. Good news though is that I have an offer in the city I want and am getting documents finalized. Backup is in Hangzhou. All moving forward nicely.

[@lebohangqumza6356]

English First also offered me a contract of 13 000 RMB just last week I was considering signing it but my gut just told me not to sign it because they didn't offer any apartment or rent allowance and I did a bit of research on the housing and just knew they are reaping me off

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Yeap, they’re doing the most these days.

[@khumisothelmamolefe1024]

Sure thanx..thats a good advice

[@NomfundoMbatha]

You're welcome.

[@wandilewawa]

Common advise from you guys in China already is that people must never accept anything less than 15k esp depending on the tier city 👏👏👏 I really wish as many people would see this information. Mthiya🙌

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Life can get very expensive even here. Anything less than 15K in 2023 is SHADY. Ps. you're welcome to share the vids with your mates. 😉

[@richforever9246]

15k including the housing allowance?

[@NomfundoMbatha]

@@richforever9246 you didn't watch the whole video...

[@karinajames4367]

My esl recruiter canceled my contract and it's been a nightmare with them

[@karinajames4367]

You're doing the Lord's work

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Thank you. 😊

[@anelenxumalo8568]

Hi Nomfundo just came across your channel,thank you for these videos they so informative ❤️

[@NomfundoMbatha]

You're welcome. 😊

[@SAL-b1g]

I sent you an email a few week back😅. With regards to the EF recruiters. Thank you for this video

[@NomfundoMbatha]

😊♥️

[@jessehorstman]

Thanks for keeping everyone informed. In the major cities pay should be well above 20k rmb. If we're taking 15k then what are we saving? If we undercut one another the race to the bottom will hurt everyone. Confidently refuse lowball offers.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

I completely agree with you but realistically speaking? Schools rarely wanna pay new teachers that much, especially if they’re black, African and female. There’s that.

[@jessehorstman]

@@NomfundoMbatha I can't really speak to your experience as a female with darker skin, but our financial needs are no different. If we accept hand to mouth wages then we will live hand to mouth. That doesn't make sense when there is a shortage of english teachers. I think you hit the nail on the head, recruiters have found some desparation among the S. African recruits and so they are trying to exploit it. I have discovered that getting my documents legalized and obtaining a visa is both time consuming and expensive. If we cannot find a job in China which will pay a proper wage then I suspect we can earn a comfortable income in our home countries by coaching and assisting would be teachers. I wonder if we should even form a TEFL teachers' union. I'm not here to argue with you. As I said earlier, talking openly about living expenses and long term planning benefits all of us. Thank you. Personally, I was also offered some low offers 16-20k and I flatly refused them. 25k could be workable in many cities, but in Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. I think the offer should begin at around 32k.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

@@jessehorstman valid points and I agree. I just wish everybody was privileged enough to refuse low salary packages.

[@jessehorstman]

@@NomfundoMbatha As do I. Consider the consequences of selling ourselves short and encouraging others to do the same. If we drive the prices down then we will live in poverty for a lifetime and our children will suffer. On the other hand, if we hold out for proper wages then we may need to endure poverty for a few months or years, but if our service has value then the employer will eventually agree to pay and we can enjoy prosperity rather than simply working for nothing. People in war can live with very little. We can also live with very little, but it isn't a goal to shoot for. We are not moving away from our families and support networks to a foreign land to live in poverty. Our risks should be rewarded and they can be. The market has supported higher wages in the past so we know it can still do it in the present. I don't think we can afford not to turn down low offers. We are not slaves. We are free people with degrees in higher education. If the employers don't value us then we should not work for them and we should discourage anyone from doing so in our stead. Those people are taking food from the mouths of our children and they will find themselves in an impoverished state when the reality of their situation catches up to their poor planning.

[@chairaminabekkaye4491]

I was offered a contract with a salary of 12k RMB and 1500 RMB for rent, health insurance, and no flight reimbursement, I'll be teaching KG age level children, from 8 am till 6 pm

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Congratulations!

[@sarahmouhoub3419]

Thank you so much for making these videos. Thanks for being honest.. I have a question.. do you know of a school called "Encourage International English School" in lanzhou? I was offered a job as an English teacher there and I am trying to do some research about the school before actually accepting the offer. Thank you so much. Stay safe ❤

[@NomfundoMbatha]

You're so welcome. 😊 I don't really know anything about your school. Have you tried asking to talk to one of their employees? That works too. Congratulations on the job offer btw.

[@thandekankosi462]

I've heard this from someone that had experienced this. But they are perfect on paper. I have seen some of their vlogs and they look that good. They keep all your documents.

[@therollinstones4941]

Love this video.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

♥

[@suparnasaha8831]

How to find a English teaching job in China. My husband got a job in Chengdu and we will be moving in June. I have PhD in English literature. How to find a recruiter? Or shall I just email directly to schools?

[@MbaliMhlophe_Mathabela]

😔😔🥺I already signed the 13000rmb offer that they gave me and we are in the process of getting my documents ready. I knew it was less for a T1 city but I didn't have enough advice to not go on with it. Do you think it'll give me bad reputation if I drop the whole thing for when I try to get another job with better offers? 💔

[@NomfundoMbatha]

I'm not sure, but I don't think you'll have a bad reputation. This country is huge... Good luck. ♥

[@MbaliMhlophe_Mathabela]

Hi Indigo Moon, I have not communicated anything with them since. I just stopped replying to their emails. However, I have not received any job offers from any other companies yet so I might just have to reply.

[@kholo_moriti]

I'm in the same boat as you Mbali, since I haven't gotten offers yet, I just thought I'd continue with them and just after I get that side I'll look for a better offer

[@refilloe]

@@kholo_moriti Hi Kholofelo,you're not alone. I was also offered a contract and I already signed it. Which city did they offer you?

[@MbaliMhlophe_Mathabela]

Hi Kholofelo, I have decided to not continue with them. No new job offers yet but I am still hopeful. I just stopped replying to their emails. I had only signed the offer letter, hadn't sent them most of the documents they requested. The bad reviews are too much to handle at this point and I don't want to be on the wrong side of the Chinese government seeing that it's a center and it's kind of illegal for it to continue operating. All the best!

[@LaToya54]

I recently signed a contract and now want out. Will there be any ramifications if I tell them I no longer want the position?

[@NomfundoMbatha]

I don't think so.

[@tracey-leepetersen132]

Hi, can you please forward legit recruiters. I had two recruiters that expected me to pay a fee. Which I declined.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIPdq4OgitlobdU

[@karinajames4367]

Hadida tried to offer me 12k rmb 😒 IN A TIER 1 CITY

[@NomfundoMbatha]

That’s insane. Upsetting, actually. 12 K in a tier 1 city would cover your living expenses only…

[@karinajames4367]

Hi, I signed a contract with an agency but another company gave me a better offer. Would i be able to turn down the 1st offer even though i already signed?

[@NomfundoMbatha]

I think you can. Not unless they're already in the process of sorting out your paperwork.

[@karinajames4367]

@@NomfundoMbatha ok thanks for this

[@busiluthando451]

Hi dear. Apologies for asking a question not relevant to this video. I have a Degree, PGCE, SACE and TEFL. Is SACE recognized in China for teaching jobs. Do i need to notorize it and take it to high court like my TEFL?

[@NomfundoMbatha]

It's a teaching license, so it's recognised. I don't know about authenticating it.

[@MathaboSeoke-sy1jk]

Hi Nomfundo I'm also interested in coming to china. I found this IEC (intercultural education) recruitment agency, can I ask have you heard about them? If so are they legit?

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Hello. No, I know nothing about that agency and many other agencies.

[@MathaboSeoke-sy1jk]

@@NomfundoMbatha oh ok thank you.

[@shamelessbeauty9658]

@@MathaboSeoke-sy1jk I'm in the same boat as you, I'm also trying to find out more information about them but nothing so far

[@MathaboSeoke-sy1jk]

@@shamelessbeauty9658 if you do please share because I find it quite weird that there is not much information about them.

[@shamelessbeauty9658]

@@MathaboSeoke-sy1jk I sent the CV and their video application. Then I was called for an interview which was via WhatsApp video call. The interview was basic questions about who you are and your educational background. Then they explain their program. Then you get a chance to ask questions. But I was rejected. I interviewed on the 2nd of May and got rejected on the 4th of May. I asked why they rejected me so I'm still waiting for a response.

[@r.m6094]

Would you recommend teachers to come to China right now? Are you afraid of lockdown? I'm interested in Teaching in China ( kindergarten) in August this year. Thank you for making such informative videos.

[@NomfundoMbatha]

Hi, I don't know what the future holds. For that reason, I can't comment on that. If it helps, things are currently okay.

[@LaToya54]

Can you recommend good companies?

[@NomfundoMbatha]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6nQZJdvnqegrdk

[@yvvettemnisi2130]

Halo Nomfundo can you please share legit recruiters in China

[@NomfundoMbatha]

I might have shared a few here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIPdq4OgitlobdU

[@bluesky1685]

A recruiter said I need two years of experience to teach there

[@NomfundoMbatha]

@@bluesky1685 that’s not true. Schools hire people fresh from university here. Misleading recruiter.

[@bookproduction1417]

I want you to link me to fine recruiter. If I may respectfully get your email