ESME IS JUST LIKE BELLA! (And How Edward Followed In Daddy’s Footsteps!)

[@celinacalderon6036]

Well, Stephanie Meyer is mormon so....the whole "subservient wife" thing tracks

[@TheCornDavis]

As an ex Mormon.... yes lol very much tracks

[@happymittens92]

As an ex Mormon yes it's amazing how many similarities there actually are.

[@deamea5098]

I will say in the defense of Esme she wasn't born in modern times like Bella so the modern sensibilities that Bella grew up with weren't a thing for Esme. Esme was born and raised in a time where it was a women's job to be dutiful. Regardless of being free spirted. I think this is why she couldn't be a dutiiful wife to her first husband was because she didn't love him. That is why this behaviour is less shocking for Esme and comes across more stifling when seen in Bella. As well we have to keep in mind there wasn't a dating process back then. It was more of Hi, so you're going to be my future husband. Nice to meet you. Next week there married and being enamored or liking your partner was starting a marriage on the right foot. Esme got that with Carlisle and not with her first husband. So in short everything was much easier with Carlisle even becoming a Vampire. As well Esme's Vampire ability is supposed to be her inhanced caring motherly nature. I do think this is lacking in the books. Where as we see more of this portrayed by the actress, I like that we get a look of shock and horror when Carlisle is killed in the vision in breaking dawn or how she is visibly taken back when Leah scarfices herself in the battle for Esme. That is the true mark of good actor in my opinion someone who can not only read the lines but embody the character. It's not the actress's fault all of Stephanie Myers female characters all share the same glaring problem. They are shells of what well written female characters would be like. As they are written by an author who is a part of patriarchy forward clut where women are second class citizens and that is deeply ingrained in all of them. Like the famous words say Keep Sweet and Obey. So all the female characters are version of this perfect wife stero type to there more fleshed out male counterparts who are aloud to struggle and be "human" but the women are not.

[@rachelstanford9784]

I agree with everything but the part where you said women in Esme's time were taught to be dutiful. Esme was around to see the women's suffrage movement come to fruition through the 19th Amendment in the 1920s. There were several landmark feminist victories throughout the US, such as the passing of AOC laws. So, it's kind of this weird nebulous place, where you're right, women weren't as free as we are now, but they were definitely giving patriarchy a lot of push-back. I think it's also worth noting that there are several personal accounts of women throughout history stating how much they despise their roles as subservient wives and wanting so much more. So, idk, history's not a monolith, in my opinion.

[@erika_gore]

I always thought that vampires in Twilight had mates and that it worked similar to the imprints the wolves had. Like when they had a mate, there's really not much they wouldn't do for them or to be with them. Victoria wanting to avenge James, Irina holding a grudge against the Cullens bc they're friendly with the wolves who killed Laurent even though he literally was about to kill Bella, Marcus wanting to leave the Volturi with his mate, Chelsea basically manipulating the Volturi into keeping her mate with her even though his powers aren't interesting enough for them. I recently re-read the series and the way Bella always talked about Edward and being with him, for me it seemed like a stronger power than just being in love, but more like "this is meant to be and it was chosen by a higher power". If that's the case for all vampire mates, I wouldn't wonder why Esme would follow Carlisle without asking questions. The wolves who imprinted really weren't much different with their imprints.

[@NelliePlaysSkyrim]

I agree 100% and to add to your comment there's a part in the books where Rosalie saves Emmett from a bear attack and carries him back to Carlisle while holding her breath and then literally begs him to save Emmett for her❤ And they work so well- Emmett doesn't try to 'fix' her... they accept eachother for who they are, meant to be 😁

[@littlewitch5414]

Exactly. But we both read the books. Like many others did. And many didn't. It just sounds like the woman in the video only watched the movies. Because saying that Bella blindly does anything Edward tells her to do, sounds like a person who didn't read the books and doesn't realize that the entire plot of the books is sometimes based upon or only moved further, because Bella once again DOESN'T do what Edward told her to do. The only thing that surprises me it's that it's 2024 and people still want to debate and debase Twilight like it's a current phenomenon, WITHOUT having read and understood the books.

[@madamefluffy4788]

@@NelliePlaysSkyrim Didn't Rosalie fall in love with Emmet becaus his eyes reminding her of her mortal bestie's baby boy? That absolute squicky reason aside, didn't Rosalie also have a major problem with being turned into a vampire without her consent? (Carlisle turned her to be Edward's bride - and he ended up rejecting her; giving her even more of a reason to be the bitter biatch she is). So her grabbing a wounded/dying Emmett and begging Carlise to turn Emmett into her would be husband without his consent makes her a rather huge hypocrite.

[@happyhatice8253]

Honestly I like esmes story better than bellas. Esme jumping off a cliff because she lost her baby after running away from an abusive husband justifies the suicidal intentions more than your high school vampire bf breaking up with you suddenly. Bella is just dramatic and annoying esme has real baggage. Yeah it can be argued that's its crazy that she doesn't want to marry after meeting Carlisle once, she still moved on with her life. She lived a life

[@futurelane3377]

I agree. That’s y I was mad when they cut some backstory from the movie from everybody cuz no lie Bella’s is boring. Alice, Carlisle, Emmett backstory was cut.

[@madamefluffy4788]

Bella's last bit of humanity died the moment she relented to Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. After that, it was all about Edward. Seriously, shortly after being distracted from ending Jacob (via one of his wolf buddies getting in the way and taking a blow meant for him, snapping Bella out of her justifiable rage), Bella was whisked off to see the wedding gift the family gave her and Edward - a house of their own to bang to their undead hearts' content. After that, Bella had no concerns over Jacob's creepy attachment to her baby.

[@roscoroxgaming]

It's a shame the movies never really touched upon the backstories of some of the Cullens, namely Emmet, Alice, and Esme. I really wanted to know their stories too before they turned into vampires. Maybe the books cover it and I should actually start reading them.

[@louisepeens7006]

The books are basically exactly like the movie no more extra backstory

[@AndrewRalte-t2z]

Alice has a back story video here on KZbin. Emmett 1915-1935, mauled by a black bear in Tennessee.

[@medicenkaki1488]

​@@louisepeens7006 if I remember correctly there's some of Emmett's story in Midnight Sun

[@yeszigv]

​@@louisepeens7006that's not quite true, Alice's backstory is in Twilight. And I don't remember in which book it's mentioned some of Emmett's, Rosalie tells her story in Eclipse. Edward tells Bella about Carlisle's. What do you mean there is no extra backstory?

[@louisepeens7006]

Meant more in depth detail about their backstories, there's no more than what was in the books..... The Original Twilight movies only featured exactly what was written in the books The books , the first ones about just Twilight saga didn't go into very much indepth story about their past lives

[@jessimarim_m9387]

Its almost like siring a vampire has some power inherent in there. ALMOST like the vampire who makes you, can essentially tell you what to do for a certain amount of time... so its real weird that an established vampire sires his own wife, but how else do people who've learned not to easily trust others, ensure that their marriage remains loyal and trust worthy, she cant betray you if you tell her not to... and she has to ultimately do what you say 😂 I really liked when TVD explored the dangerous implications of the sire bond especially in romantic relationships. Its seems like SM was lightly touching on it and comparing it to the traditional values of a marriage, to love and obey.

[@Raindropsundropgumdrop]

Whats tvd?

[@airari24]

@@Raindropsundropgumdrop the vampire diaries (a tv show)

[@Raindropsundropgumdrop]

@@airari24 ah, ty!

[@NinJaFREAK17]

It's the vampire charm, it's always been a natural ability for vampires. Some use it intentionally others it's portrayed as just something that happens, and the part they just "follow the leader" is because they were SIRED by them, another natural ability for vampires, the ones that turn them are their sires and they have some permanent link between eachother, some it's unconditional loyalty & obedience.

[@snskb]

The 1st Twilight is the best of Esme’s outlook which is younger looking & more vivacious..why would they changed her hair to be darker brunette to look more matronly in next series of Twilight is a wonder..which makes her looks older..why would she need to be more motherly bcoz she’s after all a vampire & they never aged regardless of which centuries they originated..

[@BlaecOleander]

I've never seen any of these movies, and I've never wanted to, but this video was engaging and fascinating, and gave me a lot to think about 😂 Deeply enjoyed it

[@corinnieeeee]

@@BlaecOleander what a wonderful compliment! thank you! 🥹💕

[@littlewitch5414]

Read the books. The books are funny. Waaaaay funnier than the movies ever were and if this creator keeps making videos about it and it's the only ones you ever saw: trust me you're not getting the correct version of the story. Just read the comments in this comment section or look for other videos on Twilight and read comments about the people who have read the books.

[@dixiewinxeqandmore356]

🤯🤯🤯. This is the analysis I needed.

[@littlewitch5414]

It just sounds like the woman in the video only watched the movies. Because saying that Bella blindly does anything Edward tells her to do, sounds like a person who didn't read the books and doesn't realize that the entire plot of the books is sometimes based upon or only moved further, because Bella once again DOESN'T do what Edward told her to do. The only thing that surprises me it's that it's 2024 and people still want to debate and debase Twilight like it's a current phenomenon, WITHOUT having read and understood the books. the whole video is a bit: something happened to me in my personal life and now I'm gonna vent about it using these books as my medium.

[@corinnieeeee]

@@littlewitch5414 friend, i have been making twilight content across multiple platforms for years. my analysis is based not on the movies, but the books. thank you for the laugh & have a good one! 💕

[@lunaskye621]

I honestly remember reading Twilight because it was popular but never liking the series. I just didn’t understand how a teenage girl could pine over a guy so badly. I think Stephanie Meyer has some very messed up ideals and in retrospect, it just makes me feel disturbed by the books even more. There’s this weird air of grooming going on. I also remember Robert calling Stephanie crazy because he said she believes she’s Bella and that just makes the books even weirder. The books gloss over abuse and trauma instead of exploring the impact. I honestly think it does add to this air or inhumane vampires living among humans but it also feels like lazy writing.

[@mollyryan5381]

I remember not being able to relate to bella at all fter turning which was jarring bc i really related to her before that. In the books anyway movies not as much

[@Flowgoblin]

Video about Carlisle's weird motives for who he picks to turn?

[@eline8087]

From what I remember, Esmé was honestly just a background character and was given very little attention other than her mother role.

[@cierraevans144]

I think Esme has attached to Edward because her baby and Edward passed in similar ways. He died of a fever before he turned and her baby passed of a fever. Theyre selfish, so i dont doubt that she would want him around and to see her as a mother for her own selfish feelings of ownership. Explains why Carlisle would trun him at all. He doesnt really feel pity for the people he takes. Hes feeding his own needs and one of them is to keep Esme happy for his own peace.

[@danaegore3815]

My theory: It’s the vampire allure. It changes a person because they’re not meant to survive it. Once one turns it on you, you’re done. You were meant to be a meal. It’s why those who don’t have the allure directed at them are uncomfortable around them. They sense something isn’t right!

[@toqa6735]

May these twilight deep discussions never end ☕️🫖 Edit , Bella is from a modern age so she should have acted differently much more than Esme.

[@tracyb9144]

After reading the books i soon realised that it was bella that held all the power in their relationship and edward was just a big simp by the end. Kinda went team jacob after that realisation.

[@BubblyBrainiac]

But this has intereting implications. Twilight functions as an earthly fantasy vision of the LDS afterlife. My understanding of the endowment ceremony is that women are dependent on their husbands. The loss of personality in women (as exhibited by Esme and Bella) or a purified rebirth, means that men maintain their authority and sense of self while women, who are dependent in their husbands for purpose and identity. Women are dependent on men for religious salvation. This is an incomplete theory. I will keep turning it in my head.

[@Lara-em9lq]

Don't.

[@Sasalovesmoney]

All women in twilight only care about marriage and/or babies. Except maybe, Alice MAYBE

[@chuuu4610]

Alice our GOAT

[@lilitharam44]

No, Alice lives for her mate too. She's never without him.

[@anh884life]

😂😂 it’s one of the reasons why Robert Pattison hates twilight with a passion. The author was so obsessed with him. He also did not like the twilight fans. He will never talk about it ever from what I remember it he said twilight gave him opportunities, but also ruined his life fans were terrible and the only reason he interacted him is because he said when he was having bad days he would just take a random fan that was outside his hotel room have dinner with her and then leave her there.

[@chaosspy6723]

my excuse is that I was 12 and under. Stephanie Meyer is weird.

[@Spidermonkey43]

I do like twilight but I have to say, SM is not a good author (the books are not well written from a literary standpoint) and kinda weird. Robert Pattinson mentions thats she super into this fantasy world of hers she’s created and I think that means it’s the life SM wished she could have. (She has a husband and kids so its honestly kinda weird, again I still love twilight but SM is an interesting person who created Bella as a self-insert for herself)

[@_nails__4__life_477]

Stephenie wasn’t and isn’t obsessed with Robert she is however obsessed with Edward and she wanted 3 other men to play Edward over Robert and has a twilight website with posters she created with one of the other guys she wanted as Edward still posted to this day and she threatened to have him recasted all throughout the movies being made because he kept playing Edward too harshly and he kept trying to change the script to things he felt were better sited for the scenes than what were written

[@yesthatmousyiris4887]

I don't blame him for not liking twilight and the role.

[@izabelabrasil7730]

@@Spidermonkey43 I agree with a lot, but I think she grew as an author, have you read The Host? The movie sucks but the book is very interesting.

[@yonkokaidokingofbeasts2553]

Agreed the story is flawed but i still love it 😅

[@MoistMage69]

Where did that ever get mentioned that Esme met Carlisle when she was a child? I remember that her child died and she was so distraught that she threw herself off a cliff and broke her legs and was close to death that Carlisle offered her a way to live with him

[@AlongBella]

About to ask the same thing. Which book has mention about Esme's childhood?

[@adeline8282]

she fell from a tree when she was 16 and broke her foot I am not sure whether it's book information or the Illustrated Guide's info, but Carlisle's kindness left an impression on Esme and she was reminiscing it through the rest of her human life (which lasted for 10 more years - where she married an abuser, had a child, worked as a teacher to get away from her husband, watched her baby die, sewercided bc of depression -> when she wakes up, she sees the doctor who healed her 10 years ago) Midnight Sun info: Carlisle didn't think of being with Esme when he saved her, he just thought it was a shame the girl he healed 10 years ago had such an awful life she threw herself off the cliff, gave her a second chance. Edward was the one who noticed Esme's infatuation with Carlisle, warned him. Carlisle realized he can return the feelings.

[@Artemis-athena]

Twilight is romanticized predatory behavior. And a lousy female lead.

[@NinaGothMambaNegra]

This is such an awesome analysis, all the similarities and loops, and the cult dynamics (because mormonism). I'll reference the video in the reviews I'm making about neo vampires having "modern" family systems, like this saga and WWDITS).

[@beatrizjardim8308]

Why do people always love to criticize twilight? Its a ficctional tale about vampires and werewolves! Esme is a good character and she was born in a different time period where people had a different education, they had different ideas unlike the modern times thinking. Trying to shove modern thinking into everything is bad.

[@fungi5350]

It’s fun and they’re fictional lol. We criticize tons of things that aren’t real. The story, books, and movies however ARE real and there’s nothing wrong with having opinions on art. That’s kind of the reason people make art.

[@spacegirl6590]

I’d also like to know, is the fandom wiki (where this person got all of this info) written with Stephanie’s insight, or is it just fan fiction? Lol Editing to add: I looked into it and no, none of this info comes from Stephanie, this is all fan fiction 😅

[@beatrizjardim8308]

@@spacegirl6590 Yeah. Lately all people do is criticize. Everything is bad or wrong and most of the time... they don't even KNOW what they are criticizing.

[@corinnieeeee]

@@spacegirl6590you’re incorrect. this comes directly from stephenie meyer in the books & the official illustrated guide. I promise im not making any of this up lol

[@mynameisreallycool1]

You must be fun at parties. People are allowed to have opinions about fiction.

[@miss.dannitiger]

Omg omg 😮 this blows my mind

[@NinaGothMambaNegra]

Once in a cult, one writes cultish stuff. Great spot!

[@raninhagabi]

I don't think it's strange that Esme fell in love with Carlile after they met once. She was very young and lived in a strict family. And considering that she couldn't choose her fiancé, it's not surprising that she took a stand against marriage after meeting a handsome, charming man who probably gave her all the attention in the world when they first met. And after all the terrible things she's been through, all the abuse, pain and repression that led her to jump off a cliff, that prince charming she met appears to "save" her and give her a second chance at living a happy life. He's kind and treats her well, and since she probably feels like she owes him her life, she dedicates herself to doing everything he wants to make him happy and pay off that debt. something like when people who grew up in abusive families fall in love with the first person who treats them with the slightest respect and dignity, and then they idolize that person because they are the best person in the world, kind, wonderful and flawless. If the person is beautiful then... it's like Bella seeing Edward as a god in human form and feeling lucky that he chose someone as "average" as her.

[@silvermoon-Jk]

I read all the novels, I wonder how I missed out these parts, it has been a LONG time, were these details mentioned there?

[@KyoSui1]

there is a book about some characters that have details and backround on them

[@silvermoon-Jk]

@@KyoSui1 oh! thanks for telling me!

[@prowlandsasuke]

I would be more mad that my parents named me esme

[@tasiaalex9169]

Please tell me you do more of these Twilight videos 🫶🏾

[@Mila.9]

She jumped off a cliff because she lost her baby full of pain. And to be alive again should be traumatizing and the pain of her baby still be there...but everything is ok because she sees a hot doctor she saw once ten years ago 😂

[@dancehallqueenie777]

Is rennesme human like she would die like a human? When they say she’s not immortal is that what it means

[@purestlight]

renesme would stop aging at 18, and become immortal (ie. live forever) but she could survive on both a human diet (regular food) and vampire diet (blood).

[@aboxofpaint]

Well said!

[@elysiana8889]

funny you call jacob a human connection... he's a wolf.

[@cora.ann.s]

Can you give me your sources, please? It's not in the books ...

[@corinnieeeee]

@@cora.ann.s it is in the books and in the official illustrated guide.

[@vanessavicente3933]

Which of the books?

[@StrangerThings_YT]

2:57 i can tell you not all brunettes

[@Outlawgirl1297]

Hey I’m a brunette , being nice has nothing to do with your hair color.

[@evanjuleen]

Bro Ethan Klein said that Edward does this whole thing w teenage girls all the time, bellas not the first, every graduation cap is a new girl... and at first I laughed but there's so much to it. Edward does fit common troupes for serial abusers who skip to the next town and tell that girl she's the first.... Now you point out Carlisle and Edward's similarities...

[@toqa6735]

Yeaaaaaaaaiiikeess

[@leshi97]

Except Edward's whole thing is literally that he hasn't been with someone else. If you've read the books, that's mentioned a lot. Everyone else in his family was paired up but he was alone

[@spacegirl6590]

Are you aware that all of your info is from sources that are fan fiction? 😂

[@corinnieeeee]

@@spacegirl6590 absolutely not! all this information is 100% canon from the books & the official illustrated guide by stephenie meyer herself. thanks though! 💕

[@SpicedTeac]

Ikr. Esme lost a baby and attempted to unalive, then Carlisle found her and changed her. Her garble is not canon at all.

[@corinnieeeee]

@@SpicedTeac friend i mentioned all that 😭 watch the video again. everything i said is 100% canon from the books & the official illustrated guide, which was written by the author!

[@Ariadne147]

Where are you getting this back story? I don't remember this being in the book. Are you making this up? Is this fan fiction?

[@SpicedTeac]

It has to be fanfic. It certainly is not in the books. She probably spreads false info as ragebait for views and comments for the algorithm.

[@corinnieeeee]

@@Ariadne147 it is all from the books and the official illustrated guide. esme’s backstory is in twilight though, there is more detailed information in the guide. i promise you this is not fanfiction lol

[@corinnieeeee]

@@SpicedTeac you are 100% incorrect and thank you for the engagement! 💕

[@Outlawgirl1297]

I wish she could have a job .

[@Markus2E5I6]

The youtuber?

[@mikilacunningham6259]

Dude he build a child a bride... Girls/wm always lose themselves.... Dude I love u right now cause as my nice made me watch all the series we them.... The art of the entire series is beautiful the visual are romantic, but really think on it.... The girls loses themselves & their Identities.... Not only that he's literally a thousand & something yrs old right & he meet @16yo & groomed her until she was what 18yo.....

[@Ariadne147]

One thing that people never talk about with Jacob is that if Bella had chosen him is that he could imprint on someone and Bella would have been left alone and heartbroken. This video is complete fiction. You're projecting your BS onto this book.

[@ashleigh411elizabeth]

Bella had no ambitions other than her relationship with Edward wanting to become a teacher is false

[@corinnieeeee]

@@ashleigh411elizabeth it’s 100% true ashleigh. check midnight sun. (or the illustrated guide)