A Dark Song Live Film Watch Party w/ Aaron Leitch & Marco Visconti - Academic and Occultist Analysis

The 2016 A Dark Song written and directed by Liam Gavin and starring Steve Oram and Catherine Walker is one of the stand-out occult films of recent years. Depicting a version of the famed Abramelin Ritual, ‪@TheEsotericaChannel‬ will be joined by experienced occultists and authors Aaron Leitch - ‪@kheph777‬ and Marco Visconti ‪@MarcoVisconti‬ as we watch and comment on the film live, providing both an academic and differing views of occult practitioners.
Feel free to start the film with us and watch along or watch later. This will be our rough schedule (all times in New York / Eastern time):
4:00pm - Go Live - Introductions
4:15pm - Start Film
5:15pm - c. 15 minute Intermission / Discussion (5 minutes each)
c. 5:30pm - Restart film
c. 6:20pm - Wrap Film, Discussion & Final Thoughts
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[@suzannesellers7383]

Love Marco’s comments about occultism and class divisions in the U.K. I don’t think that is an issue in US, as long as you have the money, you could be janitor or a CEO.

[@JohnnyKooter]

That was great. Thanks to all involved. Now I can't wait for Ninth Gate watch a long that is definitely going to happen 😎

[@YinYinBaker]

Yes! Please do the Ninth Gate!

[@jerrimenard3092]

I love The Ninth Gate. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. Depp to me is usually not sexy at all, but as this character, he turned me on. It's the mystery and the ritual that gets me going.

[@DonPeyote420]

back when Johnny Depp played in actually good movies

[@jeffreybarton1297]

Great to see this live viewing. That angel scene always makes me cry, too. That smile of the Angel.......

[@freeleonardpeltier4148]

I cried too!!!

[@jeffreybarton1297]

@@freeleonardpeltier4148 Such a great ending 👍

[@eduardoburato7632]

Oh, vou! That smile!

[@duantorruellas716]

Dark song was a great film in my book being an occultist myself. And even though the film wasn't abramelin accurate , I still loved this film . And even when I saw it I knew it wasn't accurate because it's a film. I've never done the ritual but yes you can see Solomon making up crap on the fly. And yes I think it's very good Aaron and Marco did do this video to share their invaluable knowledge with us on the ritual . Sure their are always gonna be people that believe what they see in films. I think they did a great job on this as it was well needed for those who don't know better .

[@MFLimited]

Absolutely. It was not an instructional film. It was a film about a heartbroken woman who wanted revenge hiring a very messed up individual to take her through a ritual. It was clear he was making a lot of it up as he went along.

[@cutandstickrubyv4691]

Absolutely amazing watch. Thank you Dr Sledge 🙏❤️ would have loved to hear more from Marco I felt he was often interrupted and cut off

[@falala888]

Totally agreed. He seems very knowledgable and had many interesting things to say.

[@Saffron-sugar]

Aarons comment about how everything manifested for him really struck me, so I had to come back and leave a comment. Previously, I always believed that when there are themes it was a normal part of life. For example, say you wake up and you were dreaming of the song, “When the Red Red Robin Comes Bob Bob Bobbin' Along”. You are singing it in the shower and when getting dressed you turn on KZbin and the nature show you usually watch, begins with British birds, starting with the Robin. You go to your car there’s a robin sitting on it. You get to work and tell a coworker about your Robin themed morning. A few hours later the same coworker hands you an invitation for an after work party, which is taking place at The Rockin’ Robin. You go to the party and go home that night and tell your family about it. They ask about your friend, Robin. Your childhood friend. But you don’t reach out to her, because you want this robin thing to end, so you pray for her. Are coincidences like that not normal? Usually it just comes in threes. When I was working as a paramedic, it happened constantly. That happened to a lot of paramedics, particularly female, constantly. A non-human example was early. I helped my child get a reindeer costume on for school play practice. Then driving the ambulance. There was a baby deer stuck in the road. A freaking autumn born fawn. It couldn’t get up because it was icy and it kept slipping so I turned the ambulance sideways and put on the lights to stop traffic and picked up the deer and put it with its mother on the bank . The next morning when I woke up, there was a herd of deer outside of my window, in the city. I think that, for many people these things are a natural experience of being. either that, or I have not been taking these things seriously enough. Which is certainly possible.

[@BlkRoseGold87]

Ahh I wished I had caught the live stream but I'm so happy this is here.

[@martinacannon1984]

SAME MilaRosa! Life happened and missed the live but glad they recorded

[@ieatlolz]

Wouldve loved to hear more from Marco! An interview at some point would be much loved :)

[@MarcoVisconti]

Cheers :)

[@freeleonardpeltier4148]

If only Aaron would have let him speak.

[@mysticdeanna6620]

I missed the live, so I watched the movie 1st to get my own opinion, then watched your replay. That was great. I hope you do more of these.

[@applewagon253]

The angel scene in this film made me cry.

[@Myperfectshell]

It was incredible I loved it.

[@MFLimited]

It was moving

[@Beskitte75]

I know, he was amazingly beautiful

[@greggharmston8992]

I kinda had the same thing, it’s presence was so warm and beautiful that it made me quite emotional in this way I totally wasn’t expecting at all. It really stuck with me for a while after the film and I still randomly think about it sometimes.

[@freeleonardpeltier4148]

Same. It was PROFOUND

[@John_7775]

I really enjoyed this! I felt as if Mr. Leitch got most of the speaking time and would have liked to hear more from the other 2. Especially as to the reported effects of the Abramelin ritual. Is it worth the trouble?

[@MarcoVisconti]

I think it's definitely worth the trouble if your goal is spiritual evolution.

[@kheph777]

Yeah I tend to run off at the mouth. I'm fairly used to being alone during interviews, so this was a fairly new format and experience for me. Gotta learn to sit back and say less.

[@kheph777]

But, yes, it is ABSOLUTELY worth all the effort and devotion you have to put into it. It changed my life, I can affirm that much. :)

[@niccoloaurelius1587]

@@kheph777 Hi Aaron, you mentioned a police officer and that he got "crowned" - I wonder what that means? Something different than K+C with HGA? Thanks!

[@AbsolutelyNobody1111]

@@niccoloaurelius1587 I can’t speak for Aaron, but in his work he often draws parallels between the Ocha crowning ceremonies and the Abramelin Ritual.

[@khailand316]

That was fun to listen to during the movie. Excited for the possibility of the Craft being next!

[@FraterRC]

Great fun to watch the film again, with you all...thanks for doing this. Can't wait for The Craft, saw that three times in cinema during my wiccan coven days ('94-'98). lvx crvcis

[@BenedictaXValentina]

ESOTERICA This was a very thought provoking, intriguing, and entertaining discussion on the film “A Dark Song” viewed through the lens of academia X 🤗🥰😌👍🏻✨✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻✨❤❤❤

[@duantorruellas716]

Thx Justin, another great video , brilliant having these guys on. And yes Aaron and Marco , I agree synchronicity is something we have to be mindful of .

[@mysticdeanna6620]

You asked about sepsis. Once the infection sets in, it can kill you within 24 hours.

[@MFLimited]

Yes and can be 12 hours. Even less time until septic shock sets in. The source and type of infection has a good deal to do with it.

[@yamabushido6238]

Think theyre missing the point about the toxicity, if we're going by Justin's theory, Solomon was that killer. He would be that toxic. Only a pity that this theory wasnt suggested more or hinted at a little more in the movie. As others have suggested below Aaron did a fair old bit of interrupting here. It would have been much more interesting to hear more form both Justin and Marco in many parts of the commentary here. The pe-ing on the floor bit, by the way, is likely drawn straight in from Robert M Pirsig's relating of his (non-Abramelin) spiritual experiences.

[@MarcoVisconti]

Where can I read more about that?

[@yamabushido6238]

@@MarcoVisconti it was written up in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance chapter 30. It was essentially during an extended meditation crisis, where letting go was taken to limits - of fear, shame, etc. Quoted that section in the other comment.

[@yamabushido6238]

@@MarcoVisconti He begins to discard things, encumbrances that he has carried with him all his life. He tells his wife to leave with the children, to consider themselves separated. Fear of loathsomeness and shame disappear when his urine flows not deliberately but naturally on the floor of the room. Fear of pain, the pain of the martyrs is overcome when cigarettes burn not deliberately but naturally down into his fingers until they are extinguished by blisters formed by their own heat. His wife sees his injured hands and the urine on the floor and calls for help. 406 But before help comes, slowly, imperceptibly at first, the entire consciousness of Phædrus begins to come apart -- to dissolve and fade away. Then gradually he no longer wonders what will happen next. He knows what will happen next, and tears flow for his family and for himself and for this world. A fragment comes and lingers from an old Christian hymn, ``You've got to cross that lonesome valley.'' It carries him forward. ``You've got to cross it by yourse

[@FaoladhTV]

Aaron keeps going on about how "if you think occultism is like this, walk away", but then he also says that starting when the demons start appearing to the end is more or less what it's like on some level. I think when people say "it's like this", they mean that same thing Aaron says he thinks is accurate. Focusing on the specifics of particular characters in a particular story isn't what people mean when they say that, I think.

[@nabbalight1]

MOVIE: 'The Wicker Man' - Director's Cut. TOPIC: Esoteric Christianity & Paganism- Eternal Conflict or Resolve 😇😈💥🙏

[@Xeper616]

You gotta bring Occult Film Review back

[@MFLimited]

IMHO, I never felt that A Dark Song was an accurate depiction of Abramelin any more than a film about a priest, who abused his students would be an accurate depiction of a Catholic catechism. It’s not an instructional film and the practitioner is clearly corrupt. Although I knew little to nothing about Abramelin, it was clear that he was making it up as he went along, and combining it with random Satanic and demonic rituals. I think he was her sons killer. I believe that her will, and belief was what brought her guardian angel to her, regardless of the flawed ritual. I think what she wanted in the end, was for him to suffer and die, and then to be able to forgive him and move on. That’s what happened

[@6Haunted-Days]

So how exactly did she KNOW how to find his killer but the cops didn’t? I don’t think that was the films intent at all….don’t know where and why people act like it’s a given…..makes zero sense in any way.

[@johngagon]

It was amazing to see you all together. I've known about each of you separately so I didn't know about the collaboration. I am intrigued to watch this film now. I have yet to do the extreme cleanliness, fasting for a month and all the virgin/handmade-new instrument making but if anyone's game....

[@StephenStaple]

Great show. Enjoyed Aaron Leitch and Dr Sledge sharing their understanding of this.

[@LuxYbex4347]

I really enjoyed watching this along with the film, really informative and so much fun! Looking forward to seeing more of this 💫

[@dawnredman3645]

Love this, Ya'll are awesome, so interesting fun :)) Thanks for sharing !!!

[@jay-ov6vh]

Great viewing, would love to see more of these. Good to meet the rest of the guys as well!

[@DonPeyote420]

A Dark Song is actually the movie through which I have discovered your channel because I was looking through the reviews of that movie and came across your review of it, so I'm glad I watched it again with your and been a part of it coming full circle.

[@diginoalessio]

Great video, enjoyed it a lot. Thanks guys

[@jeffphisher3801]

Great video, love hearing from some contemporary experts on the ritual

[@thebanished87]

One thing I loved about the movie, the guy wore a Melechesh t-shirt. I saw those guys live and they ROCK!

[@Beskitte75]

I loved that movie. Being a thelemite this movie rocked, and the visuals were amazing.

[@missvikkianne2011]

I’m also experiencing balancing my dark shadow side. Angels intelligently intuitively give me green lights and my gut gives me the red light when discernment comes into play. Cain or Seth’s. I’m just going to read “ The Genesis 6 Conspiracy “ I’m a force for good not evil and that’s my reassurance from God to have blind faith in my heart 💜🙏🏻

[@areiorum]

Just like musicians dislike Whiplash, occultists feel about this film. Both pictures are great!

[@sashamilovanova949]

I watched this film recently and today I though how cool it would be to hear you thoughts on it. Then youtube recommended me this video. Sometimes the youtube algorithm does something right.

[@fearElohim34]

Thanks for the commentary on a great film, guys. I appreciate the knowledge you all share. Watching a movie and getting the "expert" view is always exciting. Similarly, I love listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson discuss Sci-Fi movies like Interstellar. Hey Aaron, I'm with you on how being a practitioner tends to cause us to focus on the discrepancies, but it is art imitating life. Don't be too harsh :)

[@alanomalley3413]

@41:30 Aaron says that "people watched this,and come away thinking they've watched the Abramelin"...if anyone quotes this movie as a portrayal of the Abramelin I would suspect they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a grimoire.Its a film about the Occult first and foremost,however inaccurate it is, and if that piques anyones interest in the subject,thats a good thing,no?Also at the end of the day,its only a film.

[@MFLimited]

To be honest, there are no films about exorcisms that are accurate to the actions of the Roman Catholic Church. Nobody with half a brain thinks that A Dark Song is an instructional video. The man in the film was clearly a mess and not a decent practitioner of anything.

[@tireoghain82]

Three Pillars Of Occult Wisdom right here.

[@YinYinBaker]

Thanks!

[@seankerr9158]

I used to dream of doing Abramelin when I was young, but now I think the best way of contacting your HGA is just this: request your HGA (aloud or mentally) to facilitate your reception of the Valentinian “Nymphōn sacrament”, or mystery of the bridal chamber (the marriage sacrament of the Valentinians, representing marriage of the soul and HGA). Your HGA will drop down and fuse with you immediately, simultaneous with your reception of the initiation (over next 1-2 hrs). No need for a long complicated ritual. (Or even the other sacraments.) Help revive this ancient simple method the Gnostics gave 🍀

[@Miles757]

How to contact your Guardian Angel: 1. Write down your name on a peice of paper. 2. Now, copy it in reverse. 3. Hold it next to a mirror and speak what you see aloud. Congratulations! You've just made contact with your Guardian Angel. Please do not abuse this privilege ;)

[@seankerr9158]

Not sure what you’re suggesting my friend but the valentinian “mystery of the bridal chamber” sacrament is quite legit. “Ask and you shall receive” about covers the improbable mechanism. You seem to have your own authority in these matters though, so by all means speak to that if you feel moved to.

[@kheph777]

@Sean Kerr - Yeah I'm going to have to push back on ya, there, brother. Not on your reference to the Valentinian mysteries of the Divine Marriage - because you're spot on with that one! But to suggest you can just take a brief moment to make a request, at which point your HGA will just suddenly manifest, etc, etc - no, it simply does not work that way. Jesus taught his followers to go into their bedroom and pray, and to STAY there praying until they got their result, no matter how long it took! When his followers tried it, they had success in 9 days. I'll admit 9 days is still a very very short time for this kind of spiritual work. However, if Jesus himself says that it will take an undetermined period of regular prayer/fasting/etc to achieve this result, rather than it being instantaneous on-demand, then I'm going to have to side with him on that one. And Abramelin is nothing if not _exactly_ what Jesus was instructing us to do.

[@seankerr9158]

Aaron 😍 It does seem to work though. The sacraments are esoteric initiations before they are rituals. The angel is the initiator. He (/she) has access to all the initiations and can facilitate reception of any of them. We can’t get the rituals nowadays, but we can very much obtain the initiations, by requesting our angel to facilitate our reception of them. The request should be precise (in this case the Valentinian “nymphōn”sacrament) and we have to have the angel’s ear (perhaps it takes some work to get its attention initially, not sure... Direct address as “John Smith’s Guardian Angel”, for example, substituting ones own name, is enough to get its attention, I think) - and, I’m sure, one’s subtle bodies have to be sufficiently developed to withstand the powerful influx of angelic energy. Maybe that takes time. The nymphōn sacrament initiation causes the angel to drop down into (and fuse with) one’s own energy field. It’s the most powerful initiation for increasing connection with the angel I’ve found. The whole Valentinian tradition, as I understand it, was centered around it. (And why not?) I’ve no beef with the Abramelin (other than the demonic elements). But the bridal chamber sacrament is the most direct and transformative thing I’ve come across. Even already having a connection with the angel, this increases it. And “the proof is in the pudding” is the final scripture :P It was your video of preparing Solomonic holy water that showed me that a direct request like “Lord, god of all life and light, deign to bless this water so it may be used in your workings” could be enough. That’s the main, and most efficacious part (IMO). It was you who showed me that. 🙏💛

[@kheph777]

@@seankerr9158 - I would suggest that making a simple request is enough, but only after you've reached a point where the entities have a reason to know who you are and respect you. Take, for example, the Jewish exoricists who attempted to command Legion - but the spirit(s) simply said, "...but how are you?" and violently chased the men from the house. Jesus, on the other hand, walked up and politely asked the spirits to leave - and they obeyed. It is necessary to do the Work before enjoying the benefits. :)

[@bellewood9521]

I wonder, though I don't think anyone touched on it--is there something already in the house before they start the rite? Just after the scene in the carpark of the grocery store, we see Solomon in the house alone, printing off some literature. Someone walks in front of the camera and at first I assumed it was her, but it isn't--she's having lunch with her friend. It seems to suggest that something is already there, waiting. Or that it has followed one of them. This is at about 15:36ish.

[@DaughtersofOrion]

I absolutely think your theory is correct in this. It’s the only logical way the loose ends are tied, imo! ❤ great work ! I’m so glad you guys did this!

[@FaoladhTV]

Another film you might consider looking at in this format some time is _Simon, King of the Witches_

[@Knowledge11111]

I would like to hear your reviews of the movie John Constantine by Keanu Reeves😉

[@MFLimited]

I think you mean, starring Keanu Reeves

[@dastree5149]

this will be GOOD!!!!

[@frankjimenez4601]

I like the movie, but as the host and his guests, the ending was the most liked

[@thelemite935]

Great film!

[@TheDVM]

Missed the live but I'm so excited to watch this particular discussion. Absolutely LOVED this movie and it's in my top 5 of all time favorite movies. Thank you for making this content!

[@yamabushido6238]

Do we have info regarding this new recension of the Abramelin texts? Publisher?

[@Fr.O.G.]

Wanted to catch this live, but other stuff happened today. Ah, well.

[@Fr.O.G.]

The symptoms of being possessed by a dybbuk are the same as a man in black.

[@kh491]

I wish I was able to attend

[@vincenocito1675]

does anyone know of a book published in the 1970's or 80's that was a personal account of performing the Abramelin operation? I came across it once and have never been able to find it again. In the book, the author rented a house in the mountains of Morocco.

[@kheph777]

I don't recall if it was set in Morocco - but I think you're looking for "The Sacred Magician" by William Bloom.

[@M-CH_]

When I was watching the movie, I've got the impression that she didn't know it was he who was responsible for the death of her child, but he does.

[@MFLimited]

I think she thought it was possible, but I don’t think she knew for sure

[@eduardoburato7632]

I love this movie for all the wrong reasons! lol

[@jmp01a24]

AC was supposed to say that having the book (the 3rd part) lying around open would set in motion events that were often of ill nature. Perhaps superstition or maybe the old man had respect for the book and its content.

[@franko2886]

Great little Irish movie. Despite its narrative and occult and supernatural content, at the very end of the film with the appearence of the angel we are left with the very Christian concept of forgiveness ...and redemption... and divine grace... the things that saves us and makes us better people and individuals. It's not a bad message I suppose. I say that as a one time atheist... agnostic now.

[@MFLimited]

You know, I never thought of it as an Irish movie. It begins in England and most of it takes place in Wales and, although one of the actors is Irish, she works with a southern English accent. IFC midnight is a New York company, and it was released at the Galway film festival at the same time as another film festival in London. But, yes, it was filmed mostly in Ireland and the director is part Irish part Welsh.

[@DaughtersofOrion]

One more thought : what if it’s his authoritarian energy , and misinterpretation of occult workings, that links him , in her mind, on an energetic level, with people who took her son, in her mind. Killer or not, it’d be the very “psychological bollocks” he so arrogantly, and gravely, minimized at the beginning of the film, that winds up taking him out. Her GA shows up to protect her from the very energy he embodies, & he becomes collateral damage. Just a thought. Anyway cheers, again haha 🥂

[@MarcoVisconti]

I like this interpretation!

[@MFLimited]

That makes sense. The man is beyond toxic and he is clearly making a lot up as he goes along. The ritual killed him.

[@happyclam1266]

I really like this read. I didn't think that Solomon was a child murderer himself, but he had destructive energy that he had never dealt with.

[@crancourt1789]

I have NO idea what's going on at 58:00 but the BAD TOUCH instantly made me think of a dude in the Vegas occult scene my friends refer to as "Quantum Bad Touch Man" who made his living off of stealing Australian aboriginal practices and repackaging them for New Agey types. He also has a bit of a reputation as a narcissist and all around handsy douchebag. 😅

[@milosarsic2924]

Do The Devil Rides Out

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Already did an episode on it

[@KnjazNazrath]

Marian Dora does occultism better, but A Dark Song was a fun watch all the same. The whole angle of "erry occultist is gonna hate an occult film" is as obvious as sayin' "erry occultist is gonna have deep mystical knowledge of the universe than no other occultist can comprehend even though he works as a carpet cleaner" tbh. If you're not havin' fun, what's the point?

[@frateroz]

Interesting. Kinda surprised to see you guys hanging out. 93 fellas.

[@MarcoVisconti]

Why surprising?

[@frateroz]

@@MarcoVisconti I haven't been subscribed long and had no Idea he had connections in the Thelemic community. I stumbled across the channel only recently.

[@chancebullington2507]

I looked at it as everything with the Solomon character was a representation of charlatans/bad actors. Everything he did was not actually magic in the logic of the film. That's why it just kept dragging on with no result. Nothing he did had any power. He was toxic/unclean and unable to perform the ritual. I don't think the character even understood what he was trying to do. I think that was by design of the writer as a critique of those kind of "occultists". I also think the only part of the movie that actually had the ritual was after Solomon dies. Essentially, when everything gets ratcheted up to 11. It wasn't until after he is gone and she is alone that she can even perform the ritual. And the reason she couldn't leave was because she needed to finish it to be able to move on from her trauma/demons both spiritually and mentally.

[@applewagon253]

Interesting take! I like that idea.

[@Athanatos743]

Absolutely agree.

[@DemainIronfalcon]

Aaron you need to be aware of others when they speak, i understand the enthusiasm can make peopke nit realise.

[@An_Egregore]

🤩

[@An_Egregore]

All Three!

[@alanomalley3413]

Did you goes use a "child" as a skryer in the ritual?

[@kheph777]

Nope. The original does not mention a child skryer - that was added into the French recension.

[@alanomalley3413]

@@kheph777 Thanks for the reply Aaron.I wasn't aware of that!Suffice to say the Macgregor Mathers translation is not the "goto" version..(I think you mentioned that in the watchalong(?))...again thanks for clarifying.

[@kazn53]

Did the ritual manifest for both authors when performed?

[@MarcoVisconti]

What do you mean by “manifest”?

[@kazn53]

@@MarcoVisconti I guess a better question is what happened at the end of the ritual for you?

[@jay-ov6vh]

@@kazn53 This wasnt the actual ritual and a lot of it was played up for hollywood

[@kazn53]

@jay I understand that. I meant for Marco and Khem777 as they both said they completed the actual abramelin in 1999 and 1997 respectively

[@MarcoVisconti]

@@kazn53 what happened to me was something more or less identical to what’s portrayed in the movie - and that’s why I still love it despite sll the flaws we highlighted. By the end of it, I emerged with a set of certainties that were almost at the polar opposite of what I expected to gain when I started. I also had an absolute certainty about them: no doubts and no fear about going forward, knowing I had established contact with an intelligence vastly superior than mine that was there to guide me. As the years refined this contact into conversation, I keep getting gnosis - i.e. unfettered knowledge - from it.

[@gregoiremasset488]

Hey nice and kind of a creepy surprise for me to get to listen to this in this actual moment of my path. I did enjoy that movie thoroughly when it came out. I hadn't "gone native" at that time. I... Do think I can say that, because of all the stuff it makes me want to talk about but which i'll now refrain slightly from letting out. Just because I'm trying to be in a -respectful- "connivence" mode, while being a closeted competitive asshole, I'm gonna say my piece regarding that funny remark about your guardian angel not guarding your tenth finger from accidental mishap in the climb. Well, I have come to adhere to a certain corpus of explanation concerning that matter, and I gleaned it from the knowledge freely and mercifully dispensed in the videos of this channel's host and author. (From his first video the google tube decided to give me access to, after the formal introduction, I said to myself "oh boy i'm gonna get SLEDGED. This fast became a pavlovian response. Any. POST.) Anyway, regarding the (personnally assigned) guardian angel making you count your blessings at the finish line... I didn't do an abramelin. I didn't know it until having some other nice channel giving me a very respectable vulgate on it. But I can, as you esteemed knowledgeable individuals seem to admit quite freely, and assume that magic and rites take on a myriad of forms, but converge in their finalities. Right...(?) I simply could NOT spare you my shitty image. I am of a rather primitive mold, and images stick in my pan. So, all in all here it is: I think it's like ACDC. Alternative current. As old as the reign of malkuth, like day and night. king of anthropologically and etologically speaking. That finger was (would have been) lost to the night. You know where I'm at. This is kabbala. And tao and other stuff. Gnosticism. Alchemy. And bardo. But yeah. Among the infinity of lessons that can be learned, there's that one that seems relevant that your guardian angel may not be able to guard you anytime. Like a kind of... Shared custody. Maybe even determined by some astral book-keeping. Aberrations aside. Tao says "one long, one short". Yi-King says "line and interruption". Lovecraft says summer and winter. Steiner says huh.. Something about thresholds, I could circle like that a bit longer but I'm being vain. Oh yeah and facebook all of a sudden suggests you a metric peta-ton of occult content and changes its content highlighting behavior drastically and towards the more... Opaque. Anyway, I don't assume I'm done with that peculiar lesson, less and less even. So now I go back to my cage. It was a good show, and I can somewhat relate to Aaron's criticism of the solomon character, being myself just a slightly more seasoned sucker. Cheers.

[@gregoiremasset488]

Ha. To make my point shorter, the only thing a guradian angel can't help you against is yourself. Which can become abysmal if you think about it.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

"These thing are highly unstable". Meh, you expect different. Magick in mysticism is less about tradition than what works. So if I write a manuscript, im telling you what works for me. The other thing, if I'm esoteric, i might just throw in something cryotic so you would need to know someone who could unlock it to make it work. But since im a leftie, such devices have no particular meaning.

[@DanyAshby]

Loved the discussion! Thanks to all of y'all for pointing out the ritual inaccuracies and the bristling arsenal of red flags! While I liked the ending, in that it was aesthetically beautiful and viscerally satisfying that the sexual predator died slowly and horribly (pun intended), I can't help but feel like the fact that it worked out in the end sort of justifies or retroactively condones the behaviors during the ritual, which feels very socially irresponsible of the filmmakers, to me. Yes, it punishes the vile man for his obvious vileness, but it also inexplicably rewards her for *extraordinarily* poor decision making, needlessly endangering herself in countless ways, and subjecting herself to psychological, physical, and sexual torture... just so she can... learn to forgive? Is that a good lesson? I'm not saying she needed to be punished, but the beautiful ending kinda validated the horrific ritual in a way that doesn't sit right with me. The angel should have said, "DO NOT BE AFRAID, HOWEVER... THE RITUAL DID NOT SUMMON ME. ACTUALLY... NONE OF THAT WAS NECESSARY. THIS IS A DIVINE INTERVENTION... PLEASE GO TO THERAPY AND NEVER LISTEN TO MEN LIKE THAT AGAIN... GOD, GIVE *ME* THE POWER TO FORGIVE *HER* FOR MAKING *MY* JOB AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE, OH MY LORD OF LORDS...", but the vibration sound effect was pretty cool... And while I liked the look of the angel, especially it's androgyny, as a professional SPFX artist and an amateur angelologist, I thought it needed waaaaaaay more eyes. Like, A LOT more eyes. They should have hired you guys to consult and write, and me to sculpt and do the makeup! ^_~

[@KnjazNazrath]

Can't help imagine the ending cutting to the music video of Frontier Psychiatrist now.

[@6Haunted-Days]

Yea not sure why you’re commenting when you clearly don’t understand anything about the occult or what or HOW anything is gained….I mean really…..you serious with inane comment? Good grief.

[@DanyAshby]

@6Haunted-Days You talking to me, or KnjazNazrath? I didn't quite understand their comment, but either way, I don't much appreciate your elitism. Gatekeeping comments on KZbin is far more inane to me than their somewhat mundane comment about a music video, which, while I don't get the reference, nor why it was posted as a reply to my comment and not as it's own comment, really, but it's still a valid response to the video. I would have preferred a reply that was more directed at, or related to what I wrote, but it's the internet. It's fine. A bit beside the points I was making, but fine. What's not fine, to me, is condescending gatekeeping. You have no idea how much either of us know about the occult, not that that matters when it comes to who can comment here... the purpose of the channel is to learn more. If either of us know little of the occult, this is the perfect place for us, and it's hella presumptuous and arrogant for you to assume to know our minds, or think you have the right to police comments based on their perceived occult knowledge.

[@antixemily]

Love Esoterica. Love Dr. Sledge. I've never commented before, but I just wanted to throw it out there that saying someone has "gone native" iiiiiis offensive.

[@kheph777]

I think you might be confusing the word "native" with terms like "Native American." The word "native" simply means "that which is indigenous to an area." It has nothing to do with pre-colonial tribal culture. You are a "native" of the place you were born. (You might notice the word "native" shares the same root as "natal" - i.e. "where/when you were born.") Someone who has "gone native" is someone who moved to a foreign area and adopted the "native" culture. The word does not punch downward on anyone, nor does it have any colonialist connotations.

[@antixemily]

@@kheph777 Yeah I hear that. And I hear that it wasn't your intention to use it in an offensive way. I was just referring to, despite the fact that the word "native" existed before the colonization of the Americas, the phrase "going native" or "gone native" has still been used as a perjurative against Indigenous Americans, and their cultures, (and other indigenous peoples around the world) for hundreds of years. It is possible for a word, phrase, or symbol, with a historically neutral meaning or connotation, to be used in such a violent way that it changes the overall meaning, forever. Genocide is generally considered one of those violent uses. I didn't make this comment to imply that you are a bad person for saying it. I made this comment to help educate people who might care if they use a phrase that is offensive towards indigenous peoples.

[@kheph777]

@@antixemily - Please provide me a single example of the phrase "gone native" being used as pejorative against Indigenous Americans. :)

[@6Haunted-Days]

@@antixemilyonly offensive in YOUR OPINON, not like it’s FACT.

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

I bet they would lose their shit if authentic arcane manifestations occurred midviewing. Exulting in vindicating rapture, it might give them a heart attack. They'd die with satisfaction I'm thinking.

[@hunterfite4251]

93 Just found Esoterica and I have been pouring through his works. Keep up the good work and the Great Work! 93 93/93 AnimusFreigeist

[@OutLawStargazer899]

are there ANY good occult movies?

[@MarcoVisconti]

I think this one remains a very good one. Check out also "Darkness", a Spanish film from the early 2000s

[@OutLawStargazer899]

@@MarcoVisconti I will. This one and The Ninth Gate are the only ones I find enjoyable so far. Honorary mention to Hereditary. Yet, still my quest for a movie that "gets it" continues

[@6Haunted-Days]

@@OutLawStargazer899Christ YOU WONT, cuz it’s a MOVIE….it’s meant to be entertaining…..no one wants to watch how boring a real occult movie would be …..

[@OutLawStargazer899]

@@6Haunted-Days nothing is boring if well written enough.

[@iceblinkmender]

thought this film was dogs hit. I appreciate that this was made on like a budget of $20 but the acting and script was awkward and unnatural as hell. don't get the hype one bit.