OSB vs Plywood: Is there even a debate?

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[@jameshalliday412]

I had a house built in 2006 and had osb flooring. It was exposed to weather for about 2 months before it was dried in. The second floor (where the water pooled during rain for a couple months) had the worst floor ever. I even put my foot through it during the construction phase with ease so they had to replace quite a few sections. For the 10 years i owned that house it had the spongiest floor I ever walked on. When we built our house in 2019 I insisted on plywood floors. Night and day. So much better. Even built the kids tree house with plywood floors. We built the deck and sheeted it in the fall, left it for six/seven months through the fall (rain) winter (snow) and spring (more rain) and then built the rest the following summer. No delaminating at all. Plywood is the best. Keep up the great work. Market share indicates cost, not quality. Most builders are out to maximize profit, not product. Since almost nobody buying a house knows the difference anymore, they take what they’re given. The general public is not knowledgeable about these things and just accept whatever the builders say as truth.

[@orangetuono38]

You're very generous in your comments. When i hear "OSB is the market leader" to imply "quality", I'm very disappointed. This video is loaded with assumption and speculation, all seemingly pointing to this as little more than a Weyerhaeuser OSB commercial. Great production quality on the video.

[@gdahlm]

Your OSB in 2006 was probably not 'Exposure 1' rated, while your plywood, in 2019 obviously was. 'Exposure 1' OSB/Ply can be exposed to weather during construction, while unrated cannot. Your builder was using the wrong panels or sheathing in 2006, It is a user/installer error of using the wrong product and not a technology advantage. Leaving non-exposure rated OSB/Ply exposed to the weather is just a failure to exercise appropriate care.

[@aidanivesdavis]

You said you let the water POOL for TWO MONTHS. What did you expect?? It's wood, my guy. The best materials cannot compensate for a careless builder.

[@aidanivesdavis]

You said you let the water POOL for TWO MONTHS. What did you expect?? It's wood, my guy. The best materials cannot compensate for a careless builder.

[@aidanivesdavis]

You said you let the water POOL for TWO MONTHS. What did you expect?? It's wood, my guy. The best materials cannot compensate for a careless builder.

[@steamfan7147]

In my area, the houses that have stood the test of time, weathered a 100+ years of floods and Hurricanes all have one thing in common. Diagonal plank sheathing.

[@charlesparr1611]

Can you imagine what it would cost to build a house like that today? I mean I love the 20 foot long Douglas fir 2x12 floor joists in my house as well, but just a single one of those joists is worth around ten thousand dollars in Canadian dollars to craftsmen who need old growth straight grained clear fir for things with higher profit margin than holding up a floor.

[@stickshaker101]

And even those guys would have used OSB if it was around at the time.

[@ajleuty2387]

I am an electrician by trade. On the hotel project. I’m working on the framers used all OSB subfloor. It obviously got soaking wet during construction, and now that the plumbers are bringing cast-iron tubs through on dollies they are breaking through the subfloor. You can literally tell where all the joists are because the OSB sags. I’m guessing Weyerhaeuser has a ton of hoops you have to jump through to claim their warranty

[@rickrudd]

I'll take the bait. I have little reason to have confidence in the long term longevity of OSB. If advesives deteriorates and plywood delaminates, you still have multiple plies providing strength. If, in 100 years, all the OSB we use deteriorates, our houses are going to implode. Why arent boat builders using Advantech for boat stringers and floors?

[@HondoTrailside]

In fairness, it is not structured for those loads. These new materials are very specific. Plywood mainly doesn't delaminate. I build boats, and have scraps holding up masts for 20 years in the yard, lots of exposed edges, no finish, ground contact. It takes 10 of 20 years to finally pack it in.

[@Dimythios]

Your house. Your choice. 38 years doing turnkey work repairing income investment property. I've seen damage to both plywood and OSB. I will take plywood every single time. This is by experience. This is by my own testing on exposing plywood and OSB to the elements. It started off as a meh accident and then went into testing for 20 years. So you can take all of your data and I'll stay with mine.

[@trailrunner156]

I’ve been in excavation for 20 years and have demolished dozens of buildings including: houses, shops, barns, sheds, commercial buildings etc, and the debate over strength between the two isn’t even close. Plywood wins with a huge margin of victory. Buildings built with osb almost fall over by themselves when attack with an excavator. And yes, I’ve demolished newer buildings with the newest versions of osb, and while they have improved over time, they are still no match for plywood.

[@markbroad119]

I can believe it. They sell more OSB because it's cheaper. No such thing as Marine grade OSB

[@dannysmith9217]

CDX baby!!!

[@IBryanValko]

I know it! I’m a carpenter, you can punch a hole in it with your hammer claw fresh outta the stack. But It’s not designed with perpendicular force in mind, it’s designed with lateral force in mind. And it’s got 2X the shear value of CDX. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@chadsichello1066]

This comment is proof that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t force him to drink.

[@stevehall9256]

Absolutely

[@bondking501]

I loved the last part about building a house by yourself. When y'all started the dirt work on the spec house I started the dirt work on a 540 square foot addition to my old farmhouse. As of today, I am only to the point of hanging the drywall. I have done all the work myself. It is slow going, but satisfying.

[@ShrimpCracka]

how long has it been since you started?

[@aychingao]

​@@ShrimpCrackamaybe since the universal deluge

[@bondking501]

@@ShrimpCracka I started the dirt work with my tractor in October 2018. I started framing the floor in June 2019.

[@jpvill4th]

Talking about floor stability, I grew up in a home that was built in 1920. In addition, it was a Sears home. The sub-floor is full dimension lumber, 1X8 shiplap installed at 45 degrees to the perimeter joists. Then there was a layer of lapped greenish colored paper covered by 1 inch X 3 inch white oak tongue and groove planks. Cut nails were used to attach the oak flooring through the tongue so the nails were not visible. The floors on the first and second floor never had any give in them, even when jumping on the middle of the floors in the rooms. The first floor was over a basement. All of the joists were on 16 inch centers. All of the lumber that was seen during remodeling was old growth, full dimensions and Douglas fir. The original cedar lap siding came from Washington State and was 5 inch exposure with boards of 20 feet maximum length. Many of these details were discovered when I did an enclosure remodel of a side porch that was the full width of the house. The one major mistake we found was that the cedar siding was never primed on the back side. If it had been primed it is likely the exterior coats of paint would not have blistered. Today, a rain screen will help to prevent paint blistering and will allow the siding to breathe. The rain screen will also eliminate the need to caulk all the joints between the trim and the siding.

[@CJINW]

I am milling some cedar siding. What thickness do you recommend?

[@hibiki54]

Thats a framing crew I can respect. Working in the rain is no joke. A popular joke in commercial construction is to draw a 12 inch circle and if you get more than 5 drops its time to roll up.

[@joeidaho5938]

Working in the rain is absolutely normal in warmer climates....and especially in areas where rain is common. When I framed in the Lower Mainland of Briitish Columbia, we would only stop for a while if it actually was really pouring down. Other than that, it was always work as usual. You can always have a covered area for cutting. These days, with cordless tools, there is really so little risk of electrical shorting out in the rain.

[@ripvansparky]

I hate the rain ruining my chalk lines dammit!

[@libertarian1637]

OSB is the market leader because it’s CHEAPER. I’ve been in the trades for over 3 decades and have experience with both plywood and OSB and while OSB has gotten better over the years OSB doesn’t age nearly as well as plywood nor is OSB as strong as plywood. OSB also doesn’t do as well, structurally, in a fire compared to plywood as the glues break down with heat.

[@TomRaneyMaker]

That sums it up.

[@Ichabod_Jericho]

Always leave it to a trades guy to end up a libertarian

[@ripvansparky]

Osb shear strength is twice of plywood, less compressive and tensile strength, but shear is what really counts in building. If you build properly you wont need to worry about water exposure, so build properly folks.

[@justinhafner12383]

@@Ichabod_Jerichowhat does being a libertarian have to do with anything?

[@Ichabod_Jericho]

@@justinhafner12383 did you read his username?

[@joeidaho5938]

There isn't any real debate about laying it on the floor. There is certainly a debate about using it for wall sheathing. I did enough work in British Columbia, in regard to water damage. OSB used on walls is horrible if it gets wet repeatedly. It completely turns to dust....completely crumbled. It has zero real structure if it goes through a number of wet and dry cycles. Ya...the manufacturer can say what they like.....but experience shows it to be very different. It has always been the cheaper alternative. People used to use it on roofs....and then most developers went back to plywood, as a pretty constant rule. And yes, it does swell when left wet for long periods during construction......and is especially pronounced with pre-fab walls. Made it very very hard to get real precision when connecting walls at corners. The swelling would clearly be pronounced. I'm not talking several days. I'm talking about numerous weeks of exposure to water....before a roof finally goes on a building. I only use it for limited purposes. This video comes across as a bit of corporate shilling....as if everything one of these large corporations say...is the truth...lol. How often do building codes change...because of information that was perceived in a certain way...and turned out to be questionable??

[@Spencer_Knight]

Yeah, I found if you’re building some thing outside where the wood is going to be exposed to weather OSB disintegrates or at least the glue that holds it together.

[@skoomasteve6144]

Idaho is rad

[@OntarioBearHunter]

was going to say similar, as a wall sheathing it needs to be properly wrapped and protected. Watching how new houses get wrapped around here in Ontario, most won't last 50 years because of moisture.

[@kevocos]

Plywwod and OSB have their respective strengths but I can certainly counter your experience of OSB. I built a temporary onsite toilet cubicle sheeted in OSB and left it exposed to the elements for 18 months and it didn't deteriorate to any notable degree. And this is in Ireland where the rain generally falls horizontally, we even had a harsh winter over those 18 months.

[@joeidaho5938]

@@kevocos It probably did fine in open air. The issue with OSB is what when it gets wet...in tight spaces...it can take a very long time to dry out...resulting in significant degradation over time. It absorbs much more water than plywood. Wood always does better when completely exposed to open air, as the wet and dry cycles happen very fast. They are not prolonged. In BC, the leaky condo fiasco happened because of significant exposure to moisture/rain...hidden behind stucco and building wrap/tar paper, with moisture barrier on the inside of the buildings. I came across so many incidents of completely structureless crumbled OSB, that I can't even count the incidents, when working in the wet BC coastal climate.

[@jeffcourtney8101]

For subfloor, I recommend Advantech. I've yet to see anything perform as good. Yes, it's more expensive but IMO it's worth it. Having subs who take pride in their work and refuse to cut corners to save time/money is worth everything. Especially on a custom homes.

[@leozmaxwelljilliumz3360]

Advantech has a proprietary adhesive which is why it's the best on the market. Regukar osb is still crap

[@jeffrippe6559]

I think Advantech is technically an oriented strand board. It’s the waterproofing that makes it best IMHO.

[@Whipple1]

@@jeffrippe6559 I agree with both Jeffs. I used Advantech on my latest shop build with the recommendation of my contractor whose opinion I value. At first I fought him tooth and nail over plywood, but in the end, the OSB product was far superior to plywood. I have some larger wood working equipment that can generate a lot of vibration. Haven’t noticed any real issues with Advantech. Now, all that said, my experience is just that, my own experience. Others may have applications where Advantech does not work for them. Cheers! Whipple

[@dustina6261]

There is no such thing as a custom home

[@pwnsolo443]

@@dustina6261 What is a 1 of a kind home then?

[@chrishayden3854]

I took two sections of I-beam that have advantech webbing and I have been using them for a very simple boat ramp for the last 5 years. I don't even take them out of the lake during the winter when the ice wraps everything up. They are still very solid and working as designed. This is underwater OSB that never dries out unless the lake level goes down

[@stevenslater2669]

You should send an “Unsolicited Testimonial” to the manufacturer of your OSB product -along with a photo or two. Your ramps have performed way beyond the call of duty. Good on ya!

[@pwnsolo443]

Advantech is an amazing product but it is not OSB. If those webs were actually OSB, they would start to flake after getting wet a couple times. Advantech is designed for floors that get wet during the framing process. If you use OSB as flooring and it gets wet, you will be sanding all the swelled flakes and seams.

[@Materials-for-house]

14:36 Is it acceptable to insert wedges in this way? looks very unstable

[@remodz6385]

Definitely not, that is some VERY shoddy work. Especially sitting on shims with no full bearing. And there is no uplift mitigation.

[@disqusrubbish5467]

Yeah, what's that all about?

[@IBryanValko]

Love hearing you doing more narration Nate. I enjoy your commentary just as much as your pops. Think you might have picked up his way of speaking. You guys have a gift in the way you share stories and Information. Thank you for sharing!!!

[@spudpud-T67]

Nate you're great, but listening to your dad is like listening to a mentor.

[@mikem5231]

Theres no comparison. Use what you think is best and what we’ll help you sleep at night. Only remember when i was a young framer and a bundle of osb and a bundle of plywood was delivered, it rained overnight and the osb blew up like a sponge. The ol timer on site says “it lasts 30 years or 1 day” Things you never forget!

[@AndyGneiss]

Great footage! It's nice seeing the house's frame coming together in this format of a video.

[@kevinlj3497]

I can sympathize with the comment about how the size and layout of a house feels during different phases construction. That said; when building a barn it feels as if there's going to be so much room for activities once its done. Then realizing its never going to be big enough. hahaha Managing expectations is sometimes difficult; even on personal projects.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

It's amazing how every shop build I've been around it's starts out "plenty big" and before you know it it should have been bigger lol

[@rpproductions31013]

Looks great…., nice beams going in…. Love every video ever made on EC…. such a joy to relax and watch on the big screen.

[@tomalealso]

I have been building for 45 years and I have no doubt that it is used more but that does not mean it is better, I have seen way too much OSB that has gotten wet and it swole all up, I replaced the OSB siding on a huge house that failed. not only did it swell up but it did not dry out and mold grew in the cracks. We used it for some sheer walls on another project and it oiled canned. not only did it swell up, but it warped so bad that I had to replace it all. I have seen the same thing happen to OSB decking too. at this point the cost between Plywood and OSB is so close that using OSB for anything is not a good idea. you can't butt it up tight against another piece because of it swelling properties, that alone ought say something. sure plywood will swell up too but not so drastically and one it does as long as it it not completely saturated with water it will dry out again. in my mind that makes it a better product for decking. especially in the west side of the Cascade mountains were it is not unusual to have more than 40 inches of annual rain. I have done jobs in the middle of august and it poured rain. I did one job that I rained everyday for 5 months. my nail bags never did dry out.

[@chrisparmenter9582]

Oregon is not the place for OSB! Too much moisture. Only benefit I would see is for sub floor because it doesn’t delaminate but I would still use 3/4 t&g ply. Not worth it to me.

[@AWSmith1955]

I have done siding replacement repairs on homes with OSB wall sheathing. My major complaint is it poor nail holding . I did a short video where i used only my hands to pull on the nail hem to pop the nails out. The only ones i needed a claw or flat bar where the nails that hit studs . So far I have only used douglas fir plywood on my jobs. To the exclusion of southern yellow pine or OSB. Who remember Aspenite? That was the sheathing product that i first saw appear here in the northeast in the late seventies. I believe that was before they used vibratory tables or lines to orient the strands in the long sheet direction. It has been since the late eighties since I framed any entire homes. At 68 I miss it but still do remodeling with frame work.

[@justenjohansen7796]

You guys have the best build content on youtube. Thank you for all the solid advice over the years!

[@gernblanston6979]

The edgegold you’re using for your floor is much different than standard osb. I recommend a product like this over plywood for subfloor but never over standard osb. I prefer osb for the walls over plywood and plywood for the roof, or better yet zip sheathing for both the walls and the roof

[@sparksmcgee6641]

Ummmm that means you do like OSB on the roof.

[@benchoflemons398]

Zip is osb

[@mickey533]

Good video. My son and I just made our first staircase. Much mathematics... We used LSL for the stair stringers and I was surprised how much engineering has gone into the strand products. Thanks for the content

[@mike-n-texaswoodturning9481]

From reading most of the below comments, yes there is a debate. I've only used 3/8 OSB on the inside walls of my wife's she shed in place of sheet rock, it did not do well with screws , especially near the seams it would just crumble away, but that was probably because it was so thin. I can't believe the cost of plywood these days.

[@ifell3]

Would be good to see a screw retention test between this and plywood.

[@johannes.f.r.]

Probably pretty similar. But screw retention isn't all that important when you screw it down onto framing.

[@ifell3]

@@johannes.f.r. yeah I'm thinking for other usages like flooring on a van where you have to screw items to the flooring 😉

[@halsnyder296]

In my limited experience (farm), I have noted no difference between the two in screw retention. This is all other things equal, obviously a 1" plywood holds screws better than 1/2" OSB -- and vice versa.

[@DavidNelson42]

I'd think fastener/pull-through would matter more for walls than sub-floor because typically the sub-floor is also glued down. in that case the screws are really just clamping it down until the glue dries/sets.

[@ifell3]

@@DavidNelson42 please see previous reply

[@Grhb778]

Nice to see these framing carpenters taking their time and favouring quality of work over speed. Definitely not something you see a whole lot of for the most part 👍

[@IAMSatisfied]

I subcontracted finish carpentry under a residential GC in Washington who had eleven projects going at a time, each in a different stage of completion. Conditions were so rushed that the framers would install crooked studs, the 'rockers would install over those crooked studs, and once the house was "completed", he had a small crew that would go in and surgically remove the drywall & discordant studs, replace them & patch & paint. I hated trying to work with other contractors crawling all over the place... not my cup-o-tea.

[@mbmurphy777]

Doesn’t OSB off gas VOCs for long time

[@24revealer]

@@IAMSatisfied The main contractor is not doing his job checking these things as it is being built. I have been on jobs like this. They had an engineer on the job to ok things that were not okay. As the finish carpenter I was expected to hide all the problems. There were many windows out of plumb (3/4") and I had to cut the window extensions to fit all this horrendous work. It was a terrible subdivision to work in. On another condo job the supervisor came to me and asked me why I was putting the wrong size doors in. I did not have a door schedule and the openings had been framed the wrong sizes. The framers left nasty comments when they had to come back and fix their mess.

[@markmcgahey8385]

Awesome infomercial.

[@sevenheadedweasel]

Is any part of this video product placement? There's a lot of specific shots of products and brand names thrown around. Hope not, but would be disappointing if this is the way the channel is going.

[@MAGAMAN]

He used marketing material for his research, or he would have know that there is still a huge debate between OSB and plywood.

[@disqusrubbish5467]

How many times did he say Weyerhaeuser?

[@BD-xz6te]

My previous home had OSB floors. We came home from a few days out of state. My wife had to go to the bathroom so she set down her suitcase and hurried off to take care of business while I continued to carry things in. Just as I stepped out the door I heard a blood curdling scream. Unbeknownst to us, the water line connecting to our bathroom faucet had developed a small leak. Water was slowly trickling down the back of the water line and onto the floor under the cabinet. It was going under the vinyl flooring and soaking the floor. When my wife walked into the bathroom she fell through the floor up to her waist. Her legs and thighs were scraped up terribly. If it hadn't been for a heat duct running underneath she'd have fallen all the way through. That floor went from solid to mush in under a week. Ultimately I had to replace the entire bathroom floor, and a few weeks later the adjacent bedroom floor began to fail as well. That garbage was the same stuff the local building supply store kept a sample of sitting in a tub of water to demonstrate how water resistant it was. Of course they refused to honor the warranty. There may be good OSB but sadly you really can't know what any of it will be like long term. I honestly don't believe it's worth the risk if you're using it in your own home. I recently began building an upstairs workshop in my barn. I used southern yellow pine and plywood. I probably paid more than I needed to but at least I know I won't fall through it if the roof developed a small leak.

[@wlipman]

This entire video is absolute heresay and unsubstantiated nonsense. Truly high-end builders won't touch OSB, because it is, has been, and will always be garbage.

[@joeidaho5938]

Honestly...OSB has not changed at all, in regard to water retention....except on end grain, where it is now coated. In this situation, you would have ended up with the same end result these days. The actual technology of how the product is created...is still the same. It's basically scrap strands of wood...held together by glue....which deteriorates badly with significant water exposure, especially if it's holding a load. It's hard to believe how many people on this video have bought into what is essentially propaganda by the narrator of this video. Ya...in a perfect situation, OSB works, but there is no such thing as a perfect situation in construction of a home.

[@jwatson181]

​@Joe Idaho not Advantech

[@jwatson181]

​@Joe Idaho I have left the stuff outside in the rain and used it later. It is superior to plywood

[@joeidaho5938]

@@jwatson181 If you're talking about OSB, that's a bunch of crap. Basic common sense would tell you that. One has structure...and the other lacks it completely, once the glue starts to degrade. I've been in the construction industry far too long, to ever believe that claim. I've fixed far too many problems in sheathing, created by water leaks...and virtually all of them involved osb.

[@IAMSatisfied]

I began my adult life roofing in Southern Oregon in the '80's, and you simply HAD TO work in the rain. I will always love the PNW for it's geography, flora and fauna and NOT for its politics. I have many fond memories of Southern Oregon, Roseburg included. I ended up moving to the Southwest, where we have ~350 sunny days a year. Life has its trade-offs.

[@clayhughes3263]

You and your Dad inspired me to build my own home. At least to be my own GC with minimal sub contractors anyway (concrete, septic, etc). I finally found the property and have just started clearing the land. Hiring a crew is sure faster and more efficient though! It will take me a lot longer than these guys! I won’t be out in the rain doing my layout for starters. 😂

[@BobRobertsons]

I think a lot of people also confuse OSB with particleboard, which isn't nearly as strong.

[@gtbkts]

I used to

[@chuckmiller5763]

Yes sir. We had a customer call Home Depot to verify my claim that OSB can sit in rainy weather for 45 days, they asked Home Depot if particle board can get rained on, Home Depot said no. Had to explain to them the difference. Not easy.

[@ADBBuild]

Agreed. MDF also gets grouped in with particle board when it is a far superior product.

[@robertapreston4200]

Cedar? Outstanding!!! Beautiful.... a shame to cover it up

[@debluetailfly]

I grew up in a house made from real lumber, even the interior walls were sheathed with boards. I would take it any day over either OSB or plywood.

[@jamesogorman3287]

You’re correct, I’m not going to argue your point except to say that that volume of lumber is not available anymore. We can’t compare apples to unicorns.

[@carollshelby500]

My house is built with 2x12s and plywood. Nothing beats it. If I was prime minister for a day that would be my first decree

[@twestgard2]

@@jamesogorman3287 That’s not the limiting factor. We have plenty of lumber to build houses that way. The cutoffs from a mill work fine as wall boards because we don’t need the same structural integrity as the framing requires. The problem is that it’s all so flammable. The one good thing about drywall (or plaster) is its fire protection. We don’t build all-wood houses because they can be fully engulfed faster than you can grab your phone to call the fire department.

[@NathanLoudenslager]

Those beams in the garage are awesome! The house looks fantastic.

[@beachboardfan9544]

Just because something is the market share of an industry doesnt mean its the superior product, it means its the cheaper product...

[@ReinoGoo]

And you doesn't need the other product.

[@ADBBuild]

Cheaper is superior isn't it? Assuming it performs the same or better than a more expensive alternative.

[@Chris_at_Home]

I’ve built with both and haven’t had any problems in over 20 years. I have used OSB T1-11 and cedar T1-11 both painted with no difference. I have used both for floors and roof sheeting also. We live in a fairly low humidity climate with 2 foot overhangs on all sides of the roof which is common here. I’m just finishing a small duplex where we did one half and lived in it for years building out of pocket. I just hired some help for the roof and hanging drywall.

[@halsnyder296]

I don't know how far along your house is but something we did that I love is sheet the inside walls of the kitchen with 3/4" plywood or OSB. a cabinet can go anywhere without additional blocking, and they act as shear walls.

[@diverdave4056]

even 1/2 inch plywood makes for a great backer with drywall over it !

[@joeidaho5938]

@@diverdave4056 I think it all depends on how much weight you're gonna put into those cabinets. Normally, plywood as backing...doesn't hold a lot of weight. Used in the film industry...lol...to hold things that will not get much use at all.....but not used much in residential construction, where 2 x 4 or larger is the standard.

[@diverdave4056]

@@joeidaho5938 Good ole Hilti Zip Toggles RULE when needed ! I installed many of the Home Depot kitchen displays in their new store and spent 30 years installing cabinets and trim in stores and offices

[@stipcrane]

@@joeidaho5938 It is still a good idea even though I've never done it and nor will I ever just because of cost and the misalignment of the wall plane with the non-cabinet walls. As long as the plywood backer is thicker than the cheap back of a wall cabinet you should be fine. Also, sometimes a 30" wall cabinet lands between studs 32" apart so the cabinet only gets one stud to fasten to, whereas if there were plywood behind it you could fasten it with as many screws as your heart desired. I put 2x blocking in before drywall where I suspect wall cabinets are going to be short of studs to fasten to.

[@joeidaho5938]

@@stipcrane Ya....as you mentioned, I usually use 2 x solid wood backing for attaching cabinets...or handrails...or similar things. So much more reliable. You gotta hate when things come loose...or simply spin in plywood...because there is nothing really solid there.

[@Wild_Bill57]

Built a raised shed using OSB exclusively, worked great, still looks good. Key was top quality primer and quality paint. Is a shed so has the ability to dry quickly and thoroughly, but no signs of leaks. Build it right and it will last is my mantra.

[@c7ris]

Nice Weyerhaeuser promo.

[@johnfitzpatrick2469]

Hello from Sydney Australia. Overall a quality construction: just some (one) under bottom plate packing to be replaced with solid blocking or masonry. * The OSB product has improved in manufacturing waterproofing. * Your lintels, beams and frame are of high quality. 🌏🇭🇲

[@sammylacks4937]

OSB was made just for poor folks like me and my barn is covered in it , painted red and has been quite happy wearing it years later. The mill I worked at compressed our paychecks just like you described.

[@boots7859]

You know you've got a good team when they pull out a router 4:32 to run an edge vs just driving a skill saw. Good vid, kinda changed my mind, though I'm not in the Trades.

[@maddierosemusic]

I wonder what bit they have? It certainly cuts much cleaner than my sawsall.

[@TomRaneyMaker]

Works great for blind cutting out window and door openings too.

[@robertbeirne9813]

Forget the OSB, how bad is pouring rain for a miter saw ?

[@yrahcaz1967]

Not as bad as you think.

[@joseph7105]

They're designed to be used in the rain/snow

[@chuckmiller5763]

Wont hurt it. We had them mounted to trailers outside for years, as long as they are not sitting in a bucket of water. Worm drive Skil saws too.

[@robertbeirne9813]

I’d still be apprehensive about standing in the rain, in a puddle, with 120V and 15Amps.

[@disqusrubbish5467]

@@robertbeirne9813 Framed in Seattle. Occasionally you'd get a little "zing" when you pick the saw up.

[@jimfeaster4837]

Your videos are great...I enjoy

[@thegolfnut812]

The music you have in your video is very nice to listen to. I wish you would give the titles so we can find them on spotify. Great information in your videos.

[@fuegoman45]

Good stuff Nate. Thanks 🤙🏼

[@scottbenty8234]

I’ve used Advantech 3/4” subfloor OSB 20+ years ago. The entire house was built on it. It snowed, rained, thawed, froze again, thawed once it was Spring. This product was used by a very particular builder. Very. It stayed just as the day it was installed. I understand if perhaps 20+ years allows time to change how a product is manufactured, however if I were building a house I’d live in, I’d strongly consider an Advantech product or 3/4” ply or even 1-1/8” ply wood subfloor. I’ve installed a few of those and found very good results. Even after shoveling, scraping snow and ice. That’s in Truckee with deep snow. I’d say the clencher is your budget, either you ( or your client) can afford to spend $ on the 1-1/8”, if not then try the Advantech. I’m going to use a similar product over concrete(with hydronics) for an engineered finish floor in the next few months. I was also on a job 25 years ago when HMFIC used a floor sander to knock down the edge joints after the northeast winter in order to install a pre finished birch t&g floor. In conclusion, OSB and plywood each have benefits. Yes you subfloor glue and ring shank nail them both for install. The head of the nail just passed flush so the shovel won’t catch it!

[@dusty7264]

When I started framing, late 70s plywood was we used on the floor, walls and on the roof, I agree with you the OSB is ugly and I heard the same thing about it getting wet. In the last 20 except for some customs OSB is all I ever see on the jobsite. Great video

[@BS.-.-]

I have used very cheap OSB sub floor and high quality plywood sub floor in my house. If you dont have stiff floor joists then the sub floor material dosnt matter. The OSB floor is the stiffest because it's on new 2x10 vs the plywood sub floor is on rough cut 3x8.

[@daviddeaton1575]

For flooring V Tech is only way to go I just left mine covered with medium cheap tarp for over 2 years and it's just as good as day put it down Very impressed with this flooring it cost more but is worth every penny

[@pukeschannel6882]

I did upscale L.A. for a long long time. When architects/engineers specified plywood,..you used it, period. I asked an architect one time (we were discussing struc. 1 sheathing, these plywood sheets are ten feet long). He told they viewed osb as "one time use' or "disposable". We were in the middle of things dealing with the northridge quake. OSB did not take near the beating struc 1 would take. ALso, last I heard, the hardwood flooring assn (not sure I have the name right it has been so long) has stated they do not want osb as a stubstrate....if you care about your hardwood floors. The best substrate (according to them) is solid wood, second best is plywood. OSB is much less money, I will admit that. The area where I am working now,..the lumberyard guys do not even know what struc 1 is. I must admit, OSB is straighter, and easier to work with...you combine that with cheaper,...and "good enough"...and most of america will buy osb.

[@stoweman34]

We built a house on the Oregon coast (Oceanside) and none of the five builders I spoke to would even make a bid with OSB. Not sure if the salt air/moisture doesn’t like the OSB binder agent but all of them were dead set against it. Overall it was only $2300 extra for plywood vs OSB. That being said, I saw plenty of quality Weyco Edge Gold going in to $1,000,000 + homes in the Washougal area (lots of Columbia Gorge wind driven rain). Dig the back and forth between Nares projects and his dads. Both great narrators and story tellers. Updates on Cy whenever are also appreciated👍🏼

[@HondoTrailside]

I was surprised at the video's take. You know when Oregon gives into manufactured panels... It's over... I guess the wood is gone, unless you are Bill Gates.

[@kevinolson1102]

Time will tell. Plywood has been around since roughly WWII - we've had a while to get it right, or pretty close to right. OSB (in various flavors) has a shorter track record. I've seen OSB strapping and spacers in pallets absolutely disintegrating; they were probably Chinese pallets made with goodness only knows what OSB - does that matter? My dad's house roof was resheathed with OSB over furring strips/sleepers when he moved in a few years ago. Part of the roof is either inadequately insulated, inadequately ventilated, or both, and has a flat-ish pitch, to boot (something between 4:12 and 5:12). A hot roof deck in snow country (80-100 psf design load, depending which side of the county line you're on) is just asking for trouble anyway, but 5-7 months of snow sitting on it each heating season has not been kind to the roof deck - the drip edge is all mushy, spongy and fat, and we'll need to do something. His mud room has OSB as semi-structural underlayment (sheet linoleum over, rough sawn board sub-floor under); the entire floor will need to be pulled up this summer and everything replaced. Would proper details have helped? Sure, but it's an old house, and you sometimes have to work with what you've got, within the allotted budge and time, rather than make everything gold-plated. In retrospect, OSB wasn't well suited to these installations. I believe any decent exterior plywood would have fared no worse, and by my personal observation, is almost certain to have fared better. This is to say nothing of OSBs behaviour in a fire, and the hazard it poses to firefighters entering a structure constructed with OSB sub-floors and joists. Hint: the glue isn't a high temp thermoset. A former coworker who is a volunteer fire fighter (they are all volunteers in these parts, even the chief) has confessed that he has nightmares about this very thing. He wakes up in a cold sweat after dreaming of being trapped in a basement, having punched through the floor, with the structure collapsing around him. I have told a civil engineer acquaintance that I'd rather have cedar shakes over skip sheathing than tabs with ice and water guard over OSB. I know that shakes over skip sheathing will last at least 50 years in this climate, and 75 years isn't out of the question, as long as the attic is well ventilated. Who wants to bet on OSB, no matter what's over it? He, of course, vehemently disagrees, insists that OSB tests better than plywood in nearly every regard (but, only under perfect laboratory conditions, I point out). I respect his opinion on structural matters (I doubt anyone living knows more about analysis of scarf joints in heavy timbers), but at this point, it's an agree to disagree state of affairs regarding OSB. I'll gladly use locally sawn mixed species board sheathing rather than OSB for any important personal projects, though if I can get plywood I'll happily use that, too. I'd have to be paid a lot of money to use OSB for anything non-disposable. At least enough to redo the job properly when the time came. And even then, I'm not sure I'd make that deal with the Devil. But, to each his own. Of course, I am the sort of guy who thinks that phragmites thatch (400 years or more with good maintenance) or slate (150-250 years if the slate was a quality slate in the first place) would be be pretty tough to beat as a long-life roof, and that stone laid with lime mortar will outlast steel reinforced OPC under most circumstances other than sustained artillery fire or aerial bombardment. Timber framing, I'd contend, is longer lived than any stick built equivalent, and especially anything stick built that relies on the sheathing for shear resistance rather than let-in bracing. Are these practical materials and methods for today? That's a different question and depends on value judgments peculiar to the individual, but if you want enduring structures, then you should probably select methods that are well proven by a long track record. Let someone else be the guinea pig. I am still open to being convinced contrary to my current opinions, but for now, I'll believe my lyin' eyes regarding OSB.

[@rolfbjorn9937]

Plywood likely predates even the Roman Republic....

[@Russ0107]

I appreciate your thoughts and I agree with your conclusion, sir. This video really frustrated me as it felt like some sort of hidden advertisement.

[@Russ0107]

Specifically what bothers me is being gaslighted that there is no debate when clearly, looking at the comment section, the debate is well and alive. Sure, he can tell us where his opinion lies on the matter, but don't pretend there is no debate. That is propaganda 101, and it really bothers me. We're all adults here, we can handle the reality of the situation, there is clearly a debate on OSB.

[@BA-sw5dn]

Your neighbor who built his own house is inspiring for me. It took several years of focus and dedication, but for the rest of his life he wont have to pay a mortgage! Great video, you convinced me to use 23/32 T&G OSB for my house floor… that I’ll get around to building some day ;)

[@Camrm]

That's not how mortgages work. They would have needed to buy the land and construction materials. It's certainly possible to do with cash if you're wealthy, but most people would need a mortgage to buy the land and then get a HELOC or similar product to "advance/forward" the money to buy the construction materials, pay an engineer, permit fees, inspections, etc.

[@BA-sw5dn]

​@@Camrm I know how mortgages work. He took several years to do build his house which means he definitely did not use a construction loan. With construction loans you have to create a whole schedule with the bank, there is a tight budget, and you'd have a licensed general contractor running the whole project... Now as far as being wealthy goes, I don't see how that's true either. You could save up 20k for a piece of land, or put that 20k down on a 40k - 60k lot and essentially make most peoples car payments to it. Then little by little pay cash for the engineer, permits, inspections, materials, equipment etc. etc. and whatever else as you go. That's exactly how I'm going to do it. It helps that I'm married, my wife works for a bank and I frame houses for a living ;) but this has been my plan for YEARS.

[@Camrm]

@@BA-sw5dn Where do you live that an un-serviced 0.5 to 1 acre lot costs $40000 to $60000?! That's an insane price. As far as pure "construction loans" go, maybe that's an American thing that we don't have in Canada for such large sums of money. When you're borrowing over $300,000 (the cost of a pretty modest home's material costs, including fixtures and finishing) it'd be tough to get a better interest rate than on a mortgage. If construction loans have better interest rates than mortgages, that could be a new loop hole for people to exploit.

[@BA-sw5dn]

​@@Camrm 60k (which is friggin 80K Canadian) is what I'm willing to pay for land somewhere on this side of the state (far north Seattle area). Dude, the whole point of building your own house over several years is so you don't have to take out a loan! There is no mortgage or bank you have to deal with. I started building houses 5 years ago! The only reason I did that was so I could build my own house without ever walking inside a bank. All the materials and finishes for my simple three bedroom, two bathroom ("washroom"), 1,000 square foot house will cost under 100k. I mean It'll take a few years, but that's what I'm willing to do to not have a mortgage payment. And I'm definitely not wealthy by a long shot, it has taken years of patience and planning and paying off debt and hard work to just get here with some savings and the actual skills to build a house.

[@Camrm]

@@BA-sw5dn interesting, I don't think that you can find that amount of land for under $220,000 in my area (or the surrounding 100km) of Ontario, and you'd be hard pressed to get through zoning and permitting without spending a lot more. That's not even counting natural gas and/or electric grid connections. I worked on a house that cost $20,000 to run a 200' natural gas line from the "street" to the property's halfway point of the driveway. I've been building estate homes (my cabinetry company is partnered with a boutique custom home/estate builder) for the last 12 or 13 years and I've see what materials cost and what it takes to get them delivered and installed. I think that it must just be so much less expensive in the USA and there is likely less red tape to pay for and wait for regarding zoning and permitting. If that's the case, honestly, good for you guys. Here, it'd take 10 years to build that house on a "cash" budget. Also, to be clear, having $60000 in cash is absolutely wealthy territory. It's nothing to feel guilty about, but I think that it cheapens the value of that money when you say that it's not a reflection of wealth to have that amount of cash on hand. There are people who save for years and live in their parents basement that won't have that amount of cash to show for it. The other reason a house would take me 10 years to build is that as a cabinetmaker, I'd be splitting 64ths on everything during framing and beyond, and I'd just never be satisfied. It's a curse.

[@alexanderkupke920]

I heard so many myths about OSB versus plywood. And here in Germany I have to admit, it is hard to almost impossible to get the Nice plywood available in the US. Usually with all the defects you get, plywood looks almost the same as OSB. Due to the more even structure I have even seen OSB used for shop furniture or as flooring. (Of course not in structural constructions for cabinets) I heard myths about the glue releasing Formaldehyde and stuff, and that might have been true years ago, but for both products. And after extended exposure to moisture, I have seen both delaminate and stuff. I even have seen OSB that was swollen to about double its thickness and about as hard as soaked cardboard. But that OSB was covered with a vapor barrier on one side, and due to an installation error, exposed to constant steam/vapor moisture over about 9 years. Not sure what playwood would have looked like under those conditions.

[@rml015]

I think OSB (e.g. Advantech) is fine and probably preferable for subfloors, but I always prefer plywood for sheathing.

[@Fromthesip2024]

I'm curious on your opinion of installing what appears to be a conventional foundation (OSB) vs. a slab? Do you recommend using OSB only up to a certain size of house or would doing a footer with OSB be fine for a home regardless of size (for example, 6,000 sf).

[@albertstadler2639]

I will never get over the fact, that the biggest and greatest economy of our time builds houses the way it does.

[@kjy29]

I agree, you gotta know it's for speed and more about the money. Look at all the money in construction....

[@jasonweaver2566]

Would love to hear what the framers thoughts on the zip system since you used it on the spec house but not here

[@cyclesingsleep]

OSB is not better when it comes to ability to stop a projectile...whether a limb falling on your roof or a tornado punching debris through your wall. Plywood will resist penetration in a FAR superior manner.

[@Californians_go_home]

My wife must be plywood 😳

[@mayhemmayo]

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

[@rodneyshort1208]

New subscriber, I seen you with Burkin Billy and like your content.

[@TheTarrMan]

Coming along awesomely. Thanks for keeping us updated.

[@SkillBuilder]

4:58 that lovely DeWalt mitre saw getting a good soaking. The OSB might survive the rain but not the power tools.

[@toddavis8603]

Oriented strand board is something i never use----! APA Exposure One for me.Good framing crew there!

[@brendonburgin5250]

Any chance of seeing a floor plan mate? Is your dad a bit busy to work on the house? I loved watching the spec house being built and the explaining of certain ways of doing things and nice video work too. I also like how you and your father go into detail with everything from building to tools to blacksmithing. Even visiting other professions is great, I'm interested in how things are made like all the work involved making a top grade work boot. You guys keep up the good work and thanks for the videos.

[@TubeDude78]

He mentioned in an earlier video that the mortgage (or was it insurance?) required that the house be built by a professional construction crew, that's why he couldn't get his father to build it. Also, he's too busy.

[@brendonburgin5250]

@@TubeDude78 Ok thank you.

[@jk3090]

Moisture, even vapor drive, is the death of wood. Have to agree with trail runner, after repairing many issues that develop with time (flashing not perfect, tyvek sheeting not properly installed, insulation not properly installed, etc) plywood underneath does give an extra margin of safety I appreciate over osb of any brand. Won’t touch osb on my own projects.

[@ourv9603]

Some years ago I began watching this couple in Idaho build a home & they now seem to have it all complete, EXCEPT, no siding. Just the OSB underlayment and that OSB has been exposed to the sun & rain & snow since the first sheets went up 5 years ago. They have not said what the story is behind no siding. Unfinished OSB is not intended for exterior uses, but yet, there it is. !

[@josephrowley2172]

You guys over the pond use OSB quite a bit more than us. For me, in the residential refurb/extension market, I run my jobs with plywood on the subfloor and OSB everywhere else. I find OSB has a little more spring to it than ply, but as you aren’t walking on the walls or roof it doesn’t matter in my mind.

[@SteeringSteel]

Here in the Midwest I can tell you a tornado doesn’t care what your house is built with, it will all get blown away.

[@killerhz]

Meh. Timber post and beam framed home would offer substantial protection against tornados/hurricanes. In Japan there are plenty of examples of such homes surviving generations of tsunamis, but then again it requires much more craftsmanship and higher quality materials.

[@s.e.wagger3888]

You can actually get marine-grade MDF now with tongue and groove. I would never use plywood because of the cost. All the flooring in my house is MDF (yellow tongue) with the Bathroom, Laundry and En-suite being the marine grade (green tongue). And here's a little tip: The tongues make great cable and cord pullers if you end up with any left overs. Electricians swear by them 'cause the won't break or jam when puling cables through wall cavities, etc.)😁

[@Bobo-ox7fj]

so much so that "yellowtongue" is as common a name for a cable snake as "snake"

[@brianlittle3452]

Thanks for the building a house and shop series - all three series have a lot of good information. There is one subject that has not been covered and that is what to do the “morning after”; the morning after the contractor and subs leave and the morning after the warranties expire. I make a point of keeping track of the subs and suppliers so if the subs did a good job - I can contact me if I need more work. Sometimes it is best to go through the contractor - the contractor may have more leverage with subs since the contractor may have future business while an individual home owner will probably have only one or two jobs.

[@jewermank8536]

I will add, that roof sheathing with OSB on a metal roof, the screws will work themselves loose much easier than with plywood. I'm going thru that right now

[@timmccarthy6374]

Sounds like the place your talking about didn't have proper framing backing for the screws. They should have penetration into framing. And I'm guessing they didn't. If that's the case plywood may not have been better.

[@jewermank8536]

@@timmccarthy6374 it was roofing screws thru the metal roofing directly into osb, no perlins. My thought was you could drive a screw into osb and wiggle the screw with your hand. Plywood is harder to do that with. OSB is fairly soft. You could hit a golf ball thru it, 7/16 anyways.

[@TomRaneyMaker]

We could see that just by how easily his hammer broke the OSB apart in the vid. That doesn't seem ideal.

[@ADBBuild]

​@@TomRaneyMaker Just like anything engineered, if you use it in a way that was not intended, it isn't going to work as claimed. Being close hammer resistant isn't something it is sold to do.

[@ManiacalKiwi]

OSB has is place. But for internal floors it has the tendency to peak on the joins. This means when it comes to laying flooring, those peaks need to be sanded/grinded out. The slight raising of the surface can cause problems. But it's cheaper. So pros and cons, just like everything else.

[@balzacq]

Someday I want to build my retirement house out in the woods and do all (well, most of) the work myself, but I'm fully aware that it's not simple or easy.

[@jdisaster6619]

I've been a couple tiny cabins/big sheds. Once you watch enough videos, research your questions and get a little experience, yes, it's hard work but absolutely doable. The hardest part for a bigger project is having the time and money it takes.

[@arubaguy2733]

Around here (South central Michigan) OSB is markedly less expensive than construction grade plywood of the same thickness. For this reason (among others) it was my material of choice when I needed to cover the exposed studs and insulation in my new home's (completely dry) basement shop area. I was able to purchase enough to cover 48 linear feet of walls from floor to 8' ceiling for under $200, the OSB was supplied in 2'x4'x7/16" panels and so manageable by my ancient body. it is also more rigid than 7/16" 5-ply plywood, a bonus feature for me. Its "ugliness" fits the manly-man look of my man cave, though I may sand and paint it eventually. With regard to water being OSB's enemy, I had an outdoor planter this year that I didn't realize was made of interior plywood. It melted and collapsed halfway through Summer due to getting wet.

[@paulmattson5604]

I hope this hasn't been asked but is it okay to cover the anchor bolts like that and not have them going through the bottom plates? I imagine the inspector has already passed that portion of the inspection but do you lose some of the tie down potential by them not going through the bottom plate?

[@brettyoung8328]

The OSB I have seen on the bottom side of the floor beams and roof underside all seem to have the strand ends slightly curling out. In other applications using mechanical fasteners do not hold as well. We also had some crates come OSB, which did not hold up as well. I will still be a skeptic.

[@cbrusharmy]

I found this surprisingly fascinating. Loved the opportunity to watch this crew work.

[@Joseph90958]

It also makes great fire wood 😵‍💫 for winter months

[@actionjksn]

OSB is good enough and I've used it since the 90s, but let's not pretend it's better than good quality plywood. We use it because it's good enough and it's cheaper. Maybe top quality OSB is better than low quality plywood, but all things being equal plywood is the more premium product. Try laminaing wood veneer over OSB and build some cabinet boxes with it and see how that works out for you. I'm sure OSB is a lot better than it used to be, but good plywood is awesome, it's just too expensive for most projects. As long as you keep both materials from spending too much time wet and you do a really good job on installation they both work fine. Really the quality of the installation is the important part. Good quality glue and screws that all hit the joists are the best way to go on a subfloor.. By the way you are not supposed to knock those tongue-and-groove together tight. There should be a little bit left in case some swelling occurs. When you knock them together too tight they will often end up peaking at the joints when it swells.

[@quickcode]

Here osb is used for everything. Advantec 3/4" Subfloor 16oc, 7/16" wall 16oc sheeting, 5/8" roof 24oc with metal clips between sheets. I have never seen a jobsite still using plywood in the last 15 years... Maybe more. Also starting to notice the trend of moving away from solid lumber joists to engineered joists more and more.

[@MAGAMAN]

Its going to be spectacular once the glue starts to fail.

[@boots7859]

@@MAGAMAN OK, make sure to check back with us in 30-40 years. OSB 3 & 4 use a waterproof glue, which also has almost no VOC release. Check the science before giving an opinion.

[@quickcode]

@MAGA MAN i've seen sheds and cottages with painted osb exposed to the elements for DECADES still in good shape..just painted every couple of years. (Obviously not something recommended to do.. but still impressive)

[@jewermank8536]

Back in the early 2000s, we would use plywood for roof eves and OSB for the rest because the humidity in Washington state. The thought was the plywood would hold up better to mold and such. It was an upgrade. Is there truth to that? After the one year warranty, I never had to go back to see how it held up. Great video, interesting topic

[@TomRaneyMaker]

Plywood for soffits, yep, with the good side facing the person looking up. No one wants to look at OSB.

[@jewermank8536]

@@TomRaneyMaker haha, so true

[@joeidaho5938]

@@TomRaneyMaker Horrible to use osb for soffits....as gutters so often leak in the back...or spill over...and the soffit gets wet. That soffit would crumble pretty quickly if it was sheathed with OSB.

[@xo_ectophylla_alba_xo]

11:10 We gotta do it in the penthouse, that’s where I keep my pen

[@woodrowwilliams1812]

It really gets down to value. What you get for what you pay. What will adequately do the job.

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

Not a fan of the Ijoice. But over 16' it's those or lvl or pay almost double the price. Tip use house wrap to cover osb wood sub floor. It's what we do for winter constructions. I live in a 4 bed 200 year old house with 20' joices. A little foundation work goes a long way. Had to build headers in basement to move them into crawl space. Plywood has its places like marine use. I used 1/4 vinyl ply for wagoneer interior panels. I am building a 24x32 skillion pavilion this summer. Eventually it will be 72x32 masonry earthship with timber frame in a Richardsonian Romanesque style. Because can get great proper dolomite, brownstone, slate, and limestone in the U.P. local.

[@joeidaho5938]

Spelt "joist" singular, and "joists" plural, just so you know.

[@gtbkts]

Thanks for the awesome content and great videos!!

[@CrimeVid]

There is no doubt in my mind that the OSB makers have done a good PR job. However if you want a good stiff floor or roof that does not deflect much and is waterproof, three-quarter far eastern hardwood WBP is the route I go, screwed down at 9” centres. My engineer friends agree.

[@timchipps4087]

I think the only issue with OSB is the large amount of glue and can possibly accelerate a fire

[@saticharlie]

and all this glue may not be safe for your health.

[@chuckmiller5763]

@@saticharlie Dude, we dont eat it.

[@freedomruss]

And off gassing of voc's is an issue...plywood has formaldehyde and tar so not much better. Some contractors still use shiplap around here and that's the most "clean" way to build but also looks beautiful.

[@freedomruss]

@@Grauenwolf found that out in grade 5 with the rubber cement in art class. 🤪😄

[@Russ0107]

@@chuckmiller5763 These modern materials off-gas into your home for decades, poisoning you with every breath you take. Not to mention the fire retardants in modern furnishings.

[@Mizzelphug]

You addressed a point that always annoyed me with shows like "This Old House" where at the end of the project the home owner did a walk-through with Bob/Steve/Kevin to show off the finished product while saying "We" did this or that when they had no hand in the construction (or even the design in most cases). Also, someone is getting years of bad luck for walking under that ladder. Not sure if that superstition is applicable if you roll under the ladder. :)

[@debluetailfly]

All my life I have heard people say "We built this house" or "We are building our house". Only one actually did a thing to construct it. They should have said "we are hiring a contractor to build a house for us". One man actually did build not only one, but two houses for his family. He probably hired part of it out, but I saw him working by himself on several occasions. He even built a very large stone chimney by himself.

[@debluetailfly]

All my life I have heard people say "We built this house" or "We are building our house". Only one actually did a thing to construct it. They should have said "we are hiring a contractor to build a house for us". One man actually did build not only one, but two houses for his family. He probably hired part of it out, but I saw him working by himself on several occasions. He even built a very large stone chimney by himself.

[@agrayday7816]

AdvanTech is really the leader in stranded subflooring, and exceeds other market OSB.

[@suspicionofdeceit]

Truth, it’s orders of magnitude better.

[@odyoddeller]

It’s a good video. Only thing I can say bad about it is I’d be weary of any framers that are cool with pouring rain on their chop saw

[@186RaNdOm186]

Its fine for shear walls and roofing, but I would not use OSB on subfloor. I have seen it used for subfloor in commercial 6 floor buildings. Ther would be continual patching of the floor where carts or ladders would damage or penetrate the floor.

[@Engineerd3d]

Where I live in NJ i have noticed contractors use OSB manufactured support beams. I think this product has a place, however being a full on support structure is questionable. How long do you think the resin the use will hold until it degrades? I own a fairly old home at 120+ years old, the old timber not only is it still strong it has started to petrify.

[@HondoTrailside]

It is a question that doesn't come up with wood. Well other than the fact it is held together with lignin. If it is well manufactured, those phenolic glues are super hard.

[@ablejohnson]

Nice!

[@scottsmith8056]

I know people who use water sealer during the construction, i know some guys who who do it multiple times and usually have great results.

[@mixedbeans]

Wow! How long is that beam they carried in around the 10 min mark?

[@harryjohnson9656]

Now I get it ....put a hundred nails in a sheet of osb then your good to go!

[@Davey768]

What nails did they use for the subfloor? I'd be apprehensive if it's just regular nails, you're gonna get squeaks.

[@normandowell3474]

That must be a regional thing I live in Kentucky we never work outside when it’s raining that hard. I’ve seen several different people all from the NW that just put the rain gear on a roll with it.

[@suspicionofdeceit]

In California here, we would never work in that, it’s dangerous and much slower.

[@disqusrubbish5467]

@@suspicionofdeceit Hahaha. Slower than taking the day off?

[@disqusrubbish5467]

In Seattle we framed in rain. In Idaho, they framed in snow.

[@noddon55]

If we don't work in the rain nothing gets done here.