NexDock XL First Look, Turn Your Phone Into A Powerful Laptop!

[@Ty........]

Eta, can you start including price and value in your reviews?

[@TomaszStachewicz]

he does not pay a single dollar for the reviewed items and often gets them before they hit the shelves (and before they are priced).

[@GT_2077]

The price is $$$299

[@TheBaldOne]

​@@TomaszStachewiczstill the companies tell him how much is MSRP at the time, or at least the projected one.

[@LuisPerez-5]

The link is right there

[@nottoxicroz1213]

He is a sellout 😂

[@Spongegoose]

Originally the preorder page stated a 120hz display which I was really hoping for. I wanted to pair this with a handheld gaming PC, not that we can push 120 reliably, but it really is just a quality of life thing I care about. Their blog stated a shortage in 120hz panels. I'll hold off on preorder, might be in the future.

[@coffincolors_]

I hope so, on my end, i can't seem to get 120hz external display working with my S24 Ultra no matter what setup I've tried. Namely, displayport to usb-c, usb-c to usb-c, micro hdmi to usb-c. They all result in 60hz, and even getting 1440p requires installing a "mod" via the GoodLock app in the Galaxy Store with the MultiStar extension and "I

[@thejoker-bi4es]

Really wish it had 120 hz display too. I could have pair it with my itx pc and my legion go to complete my "laptopless" setup

[@baruchac]

Check out the Uperfect option (UDock X 15.6 Pro), they have basically the same device, 120hz, no brand logos on the back, it arrived a few days ago, and I'm very happy with the purchase.

[@GameTechTalk]

You pull out the most "out-of-the-radar" tech, that's what I love most about this channel! Great showcase, thanks!

[@dbaldwin2803]

I pre-ordered this back in October. Them changing the refresh rate is so infuriating after showing support for this long. I’ve cancelled my preorder and maybe they’ll make the lapdock I actually want next time.

[@gregorysitzman7609]

I cancelled mine as well.

[@allenqueen]

I see the uperfect with a 120hz screen

[@alpaykasal2902]

I use Samsung Dex for remote desktop to my big pc at the office in AR glasses all the time. This seems like a great device for that purpose. RDP is smooth in Dex.

[@SamuelxShaban]

My eyeballs appreciate the black table ×-×

[@TWISKED]

I absolutely love my Nexdock (use it with an s23 Ultra). This looks like something I'd definitely wanna pick up, thank you!! ❤ EDIT: quick update, I went ahead and pre-ordered one. EDIT 2: mine arrived today, this thing rocks!!!

[@thisisabsolutelystup]

How are you finding it a month on?

[@TWISKED]

@@thisisabsolutelystup I've only had it since last Thursday (July 8th) and I absolutely love it! I had one of the previous models, this fixes all the issues I had with that one. :)

[@telostia]

loving the keyboard/trackpad layout. that's so cool

[@AlexRubio]

I have the original touch version still going strong, but this might be the one for the upgrade like the new design

[@Mykjakuzz]

Hey PRIME! Thank you so much for making this video bro. I really appreciate it. Can't wait till they start shipping out the pre-orders. This is going to make my 1TB S24 Ultra even more of a portable beast. But yeah a little disappointed about losing the 120 to 60 refresh rate.

[@JerryLoffelbein]

I've had my preorder in for quite a while. Glad they're getting to ship these next month. A little sad to see the refresh rate change to 60Hz from 120Hz, but for my use case, it's just not going to matter. I recently switched from using a laptop with a second 32" monitor as a daily driver to a desktop in my bedroom for games and video. I still miss being able to pull a laptop screen up close when I need to do a lot of reading so I'm planning on using the NexDock XL as a second monitor with keyboard/trackpad controls. I have a portable monitor hooked up currently, but it doesn't quite fit the use case as it's pretty close to impossible to get one of those to stand stably on your lap and it's annoying to juggle additional Bluetooth HIDs like that as well.

[@KennyLarson]

I made my phone my primary personal computer 3 years ago with a nexdock and haven't looked back. Definitely going to get the XL later this year. I'm waiting to see if there are.any bugs/qc issues on the first round of production before I pull the trigger.

[@RobertBoston-n4d]

ok

[@GUN4BRAINS101]

I could not get past the lag on the touch pad. Loved the idea, but had to use an external mouse with it.

[@s2meister]

Funny thing, or sad... back in the day of the Microsoft/Nokia 940/940XL Windows phones, MS had a prototype of a very similar device that would dock a Win10 phone with continuum (or however they spelled it). I actually got a chance to see it and it was nice, a bit heavy but for the time, nearly 10 years ago, it was cool.

[@nickthaskater]

HP made the Elite X3 phone in 2016 with Continuum. The sold it paired with branded lapdock and desktop dock accessories. Not a prototype, but a regular retail product.

[@RobertBoston-n4d]

Its all been done dude. Just new takes on things is what we get now.

[@1556cm]

I love this idea, where you don't have to buy (and then toss) 3 devices when specs change. Just upgrade your phone and keep using the Nexdock as PC and tablet. Now, if it could also work with a Windows mini PC...

[@jorgenquiding2334]

@@1556cm It does. I use the prior and smaller NexDoc 13,3 touch with Pantera Pico PC wired. Windows 11.

[@vladlazlo]

Well. Asus Ee Pad transformer existed once upon a time 😂

[@Drstrange3000]

"Memory unlocked!"

[@TheBaldOne]

I had one! A bit too early for its time, it was not a good tablet nor a good laptop replacement, I really liked it but Asus dropped support for it very quickly.

[@RolandoMarreroPR]

Moto Atrix Dock entered the chat.

[@carltonleboss]

Hey, I remember that!

[@ritualj0int]

i had the blue little gem

[@r5LgxTbQ]

looks pretty compelling I just wish they brought back Linux on Dex so we could have a full Firefox/Chrome browser

[@coffincolors_]

That would be amazing, could something like Box64 run on that? I'd love to try some Sims 1 on my phone lol. Rooting my phone is really starting to look more appealing lately, getting nosalgia for the good old days of clockworkmod

[@MrHamncheez]

Kiwi Browser in the Play Store can run most chromium plugins & has dev tools, the closest you'll get

[@trey_a_12]

There are some ways to run Linux on Android such as Androidnix. Pair it with Dex mode, and you’ve got a Linux PC when you need it, and a phone when you don’t.😊

[@hiho9149]

I wonder why they didn't add an indent with an usb port in place of the touchpad so you can put the phone there, the touch screen could emulate it.

[@storm8216]

literally what i thought of when i looked at this first

[@Kev50027]

I was thinking this would be a great device for $100-150, but at $300, why not get a Chromebook that can do so much more?

[@dreamingthelife]

the reason I'm looking at one of these is that all my photos, videos etc are already on my phone and so are PS and Dream Cast emulators, I haven't checked prices but I imagine a Chromebook with the specs of a flagship phone would be pretty expensive

[@thisisabsolutelystup]

Any time you change your phone, this gets a performance boost. How much more can a $300 Chromebook do anyway?

[@BoomOnYouTube]

Chromebooks Can Do Way Less Than Android Phones

[@nathanfife2890]

I want a version of this that is more like a normal laptop, with the trackpad below the keyboard, nice speakers and screen. But the phone just slots in like those old PCMCIA slots but bigger. Or even just a wire that sticks out that you can plug into as opposed to having it sit on top of the laptop.

[@Macky4941]

I still have the 2nd generation Nexdock touch.use it for cloud gaming and emulation from my phone.

[@zdanee]

You know how much a server terminal costs that's basically this except USB2.0 inputs and a VGA display, but on a 1U rack rail? $1000 or more. This for $299 is a steal, but if it had VGA input and USB output they could just take over all server rooms. Make space for a standard Framework motherboard, and basically you have all sysadmins on board.

[@IamSH1VA]

phones are getting so powerful, can literally play PC games through WinLater

[@MrMcyeet]

Appreciate the 'virtual walkaround' of this, but I really wish that you had put forth *any* critique or criticism of this. As a potential customer, its cool to see what all it will do for me, but I am almost more worried about what It wont do (if anything) or what I will hate or what will annoy me about having to use this with dex

[@wichoso]

Great video! Thank you Do you know what the PD wattage is? Couldn't find it on the NDXL spec sheet. Thank you

[@frostbyte11]

I was wondering the same. Is the Steam deck and mentioned ROG Ally slow charge or able to charge from the Nexdock XL. I know the prior models only slow charged the Steam Deck curious if it's changed on this model or not.

[@andredocu2036]

Reminds me of an alternative Chromebook plus Android phone set up

[@ken3609]

is the mouse pad better than the previous nexdock ?

[@cybernit3]

So the NexDockXL will work with Apple iPhone 14-15? Nice idea to help use your phone as a laptop. But be good if there were different variants, like with higher refresh Hz panels option. Thanks for the review...

[@SlytherinReviews]

so I have a question, would this device be useful for playing a PS5 but using the Mini-HDMI cable to HDMI adapter to use to play a video game?

[@Natsukashii1111]

You could but the you would be paying for a keyboard battery and track pad that you don't need. Get a cheaper portable 120hz screen instead of this

[@mikelreborn3254]

I was doing this back like 10 years ago or so with a Motorola Droid bionic with the laptop dock made for it .... One day this is how we will play video games, as a gamer the phones are showing a lot of potential, so are the gaming handhelds... More than likely the future won't be something you hold in your hand or dock, it be more like Neurolink.

[@officialonyxobsidian]

Reserved mine. Ive always liked their products.

[@cx3268]

So that will turn my older & slower cell phone into a powerful laptop? YES do like this type of product in getting away from that small screen & having a full (larger, not soft) keyboard.

[@junevortexmusic7950]

I’m looking forward to this . Nice

[@JoeSteele]

It would be great to see how well this supports Apple devices. I have an iPhone and a SteamDeck and if I could use this this with both to some extent that would be helpful on the go.

[@melcrose]

Nexdock original: "Hey goofs, your trackpad is in the wrong place" Nexdock XL: "HOLD MY BEER"

[@jeffmofo5013]

Idk, I'm glad I didn't wait to buy this. I don't like the keyboard layout. I bought a chinese knockoff a couple months ago. while the touch pad isn't great, it works. Although the phone mounting option with the next deck is interesting.

[@jaimepadron8863]

I was not interested in this until you shared a handheld setup. I wish you could bring us a second part with a full setup with a Rog ally, how would you connect, which stands for rog ally, how the battery would charge in this case, I assume 49 mW/hr is like dup the current duration of the rog ally no?

[@jedstuhr]

I believe KZbinr, Thao Hyunh, reviewed this product recently and she used it with the ROG Ally, if you want to check her video out... I want to say that she said it works just fine, but the NexDock XL doesn't support enough passthrough charging to the ROG Ally

[@oscaspunkja]

Every time I see something like this I always remember Razer's project Linda, I think that is the way to go

[@dracer35]

I pre-ordered the NexDockXL last year thinking it was supposed to be a 120hz screen and larger 57Wh battery. I have a screenshot showing showing the original tech specs and you can see it for yourself using the wayback machine web archive. This is pretty shady of them to take my pre-order money and then change the specs without notifying me about the change. I already have the original NexDock that I was going to sell and upgrade to this new one but now I don't really know if its worth it anymore if it wont have the 120Hz display and bigger battery like they originally promised.

[@dracer35]

Why was my original comment deleted? I've been a long time subscriber to this channel. I want to think I can trust ETA Prime to not be deleting information. Lets see if this comment is still here later.

[@adan2343]

​@@dracer35that's some shady stuff both from the company and the channel

[@fantom0369]

I don't suppose you have something like a Fire TV Stick or Onn Android TV box to test it with? kinda interested in how well the touch works on those

[@Matthigast]

He probably has a drawer full of them 😂

[@thoongchinglee4905]

They should just built a concave docking at that charging area are so you close the laptop and go.

[@TheBaldOne]

That would probably weaken the area and make them strengthen the side creating added cost in molding.

[@francescoatria1086]

Very few people will leave their phone into their "laptop" immagine the mess if you receive a call Instead i think the opposite would be more useful A foldable kickstand to rise up your phone for a more comfortable multitasking

[@LuisPerez-5]

And leave your phone in there?

[@francescoatria1086]

@@harvivekdhindsa6809 in that case a think a separate trackpad is better because with the screen off you have less battery consumption

[@InfernosReaper]

I can think of scenarios where it's a good idea, such as "it's suddenly raining and I need to close this up and go quickly. Plus, it just feels kinda ghetto to have all that good setup except having to run a cable from the side over the dock.

[@trungtruong5401]

put the trackpad on the right side look weird to me, but this one interesting. I might buy one.

[@mrmerm]

That phone will burn to ashes with wireless charging and wireless Dex at the same time. I wish they had a small fan to cool down the phone while it is docked.

[@TheUnlovedhomie]

The screen on my steamdeck has been out for ever so I'd love to just drop it in a laptop. This seems like the next best thing

[@terryweaver2791]

Hello there. Thank you for the first video on this unit. Was wondering if you tried a mini PC on this? I dont know much about them myself but i feel some people would like to see that benefit in this unit?

[@jorgenquiding2334]

I did and still do. It works.

[@FAT8893]

I'm always a huge sucker for lapdocks, but I'm not entirely sure about this one because of the touchpad. I know any pre-2024 ASUS Zenbook Duo owners can relate to the experience of using it, but it still feels awkward to have the touchpad on the right side when we are so used to the bottom side. Also, we tend to use an external mouse on the right side.

[@trey_a_12]

I just bought a NexDock 360° Wireless, loving it so far and will definitely make a review later on my tech channel. This is cool, but much bigger than what I personally would want. Definitely worthwhile for anyone wanting an all-in-one accessory for your devices, though.

[@TommyCrosby]

I always felt like DeX was a feature that Samsung and Google (from the Android part) failed at making works perfectly even if the hardware is totally able to do. I know that I never tested DeX on "official suported hardware," but still, I don't think it would change my mind. This thing costs more than a Chromebook, and I still have more use from my 2019 Chromebook than my S24U in DeX despite being less than a 3rd of the power.

[@leonardodavinci7425]

How's the track pad? On the Nexdock 360 it's extremely glitchy with my Huawei, Honor and Samsung devices also on my Mac mini and Steam deck.

[@dbaldwin2803]

@@leonardodavinci7425 it’s literally the worst trackpad I’ve ever used. Get a mouse or cut up a matte screen protector

[@MassiveMawEnglish]

can i use my smartphone as a webcam while I use this? I want to use it as a back up for teaching English classes online and need it for Zoom

[@srvuk]

I's a bit pricey for what it does. It is a shame that more laptops don't come with a video input, either via HDMI or USB-C that would make for a far more viable multi-function device.

[@berjyacoubian6173]

I don't know if you read the comments, I've been following your channel for a long time I really enjoyed the content, I was wondering if you can test this with the raspberry pi 5

[@elblanco5]

Huh, this is very interesting to me. I travel a bit and hate having two disconnected devices. Dex is really good so....

[@albertopicadourbina5605]

Hi ETA PRIME Nice video i like yours videos!! What apps the games do you use? Thanks =)

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

This should work with an rpi too, I think. Reminds me of hacking the old motorola atrix lapdock to make a somewhat rpi laptop.

[@rhoderzau]

MagSafe is also within Qi 2 so expect more Android phones to have it soon

[@coffincolors_]

How odd, I was just looking at this, I think it's really cool, but I can't help but think, why not have my whole laptop if I have to bring that around with me?

[@mkhud50n]

It would be way cheaper than a regular laptop.

[@coffincolors_]

@@mkhud50n I suppose so, it's just I see amazing deals for Windows laptops with new i3s and sometimes i5s for $300 at MicroCenter. Re-thinking this, I have to say, there are some key advantages to this setup. For one you have all of your data in one place which is convenient, I appreciate the wireless charging and casting, that's a huge plus to carring around a bunch of cables. And then I just realized this thing has it's own battery, which is very very cool. I was a bit cynical in my first comment. I still think $300 is quite steep, $200 would be the sweet spot for me, and I'd definitely be picking one up because I'm literally using Dex right now and it's been great. The viture xr glasses usb-c adapter works great as a semi dock solution for power delivery and external display in the meantime

[@coffincolors_]

@@mkhud50n also, realizing you have the battery life of your phone essentially means you've got a powerful computer in your pocket that can last all day.. and charge it just like you do before you go to bed. Okay maybe i'm really interested in this thing haha

[@mkhud50n]

@@coffincolors_ yup. A lot of phones are more powerful than laptops. There was a company called Clam that had something like this years ago but Apple crushed them because it would make their laptops and iPads obsolete. Phone is all you need. Just plug it in to a monitor or something like this whenever you need a bigger screen.

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

I get that word processing, email, and spreadsheets would do just fine, but how does light photo or video editing work out, for those who post to KZbin? Could you work off of this or would you be willing to daily drive it for a month?

[@zsoltontube]

The phone is the computer here. If you can edit videos on the small screen of the phone, you can edit on the external big screen too.

[@nickthaskater]

Works fine. Apps like LumaFusion and Lightroom work well with DeX and Ready For.

[@youcrew]

Looking for some thing like this, nearly an instant buy, but the missing numpad kills it for my purpose.

[@juankrodriguez1506]

Thank you for the overview. I pre-ordered a year ago, and was ready to cancel (on my calendar for the 15th). Looks like they are finally getting ready to ship.. One question, do you know what the speed on the ports are? Is the USB A gen 2 (10gb) or 1 (5) same for C? Thanks again.

[@alexxxxxxxx]

Chromebook Plus is around the same price and much more useful. I can't understand why you'd choose this over that

[@ralphluis9519]

TIL I need this. Cries in Pixel 8

[@borf42]

What I want to know is if when hooked to a Windows machine, do you get access to advanced touchpad features like turning off tap to click?

[@marumisu9560]

I actually wonder if this is going to be the future. Docking our phones into laptops or tvs

[@rafidywolf1504]

Switch did , so this won't be far off if it's more affordable.

[@SweBeach2023]

I don't think so, having dedicated systems has enough advantages to quite a lot of people.

[@marumisu9560]

@@rafidywolf1504 The switch came out 7 years ago and I still can't believe no one has really attempted to make a drop in dock like the switch. That to me seems like a no brainer idea that companies would gravitate towards. Drop in your phone or steam deck. I know there are docks that sort of do that, but they're still more like charging stands that might or might not have an hdmi output for a monitor.

[@tebasak1]

wew! $300 for this! I wonder how it would perform on a Note 20 Ultra, wired DEX to this and then using Google Remote Desktop to a PC powerful enough to do Premiere? How well would the mirroring work I wonder...

[@nickthaskater]

Would work fine

[@Hojeun]

I am currently using a Note 20 Ultra, wired DEX to the older NexDock 360. I use Google Remote Desktop to my home PC to use Adobe Illustrator, so I guess Premiere should be fine. I can't tell you about mirroring yet, though.

[@DranKof]

Does anyone actually like the standardization of the 1920 x 1080 resolution? I feel like nothing looks right unless it's on at least 1920 x 1200 but in recent years, all the monitors are usually the shorter version.

[@victorhugo-pu1km]

Does the NexDock XL work with the Mac mini M1?

[@PuNkMaN1987]

I’m always curious about dual screen gaming. I wonder if this works because it seems to be a somewhat affordable option

[@notreallydaedalus]

Are there dual screen mobile games? Or did you have other hardware in mind?

[@PuNkMaN1987]

@@notreallydaedalus I had emulation in mind

[@YokiBrewster]

Thank you ETA Prime for doing straight up reviews and not trying to become retro KZbin famous like the other🙌

[@yountune9799]

I bought a portable monitor with keyboard and battery a while back when it was available. 15.9 inch OLED 4K touch. Was expensive but they discontinued and got discontinue price on it.

[@ethanrichold7425]

My issue with this is why not just carry a laptop? Like if youre using a foldable phone you can just get a smaller folding keyboard and compact mouse which is smaller. Or if you need a big screen, a laptop goves way nore freedom than this.

[@jedstuhr]

gah... they're FINALLY giving it out to content creators to unbox and review... I've had this thing on pre-order for FOREVER... sad they lowered the refresh rate to 60Hz from the 120Hz, but I guess since I'll only use this on trips or such like I do with the Nexdock 360, and not as my main screen, I can live with the compromise (although, I feel it comes off as a bit shady to make that change as soon as the product was funded for mass production)

[@coffincolors_]

I think it's more on Samsung, Dex and Galaxy S24 seems to have a issues maintaining a stable 120hz external display over USB-C

[@jedstuhr]

@coffincolors_ oh, no... NexDock stated in their official site WHY they did it "a shortage of 120Hz displays...," but I get a feeling they withheld that information up until they got funding for the XL.... it took many many many months past their projected date to hit 1000 orders in order to start mass production

[@ImLVLegitcusImthasht]

The best thing about this is if you took it out in public and someone stole it from your car, at least they didn't steal your data

[@markcruz7238]

I wonder if it works with the switch

[@MassiveSwordAndCards]

Will the Galaxy S23 Ultra's Stylus (think it's called an 'S-Pen' or something like that) work on the touchscreen? Like, if I want to draw with this display.

[@amany5383]

This is why Samsung products i loving about. No android phones can match the capabilities Samsung provides 🎉🎉

[@KeithSachs]

i have the nexdock360 and it has absolutely terrible palm rejection, almost to the point of being unuseable, have they fixed this in this model?

[@drwigglechin]

I feel like I had to change the way I type as a workaround for this lol... I rarely use the touchpad and would rather just use the touchscreen over it. A mouse is almost always connected for me though

[@leonardodavinci7425]

Yes it's awful, I use an external mouse as the track pad is terrible.

[@QuerijnHeijmans]

I can't imagine they have, right? But this device has the trackpad to the side.

[@drwigglechin]

@QuerijnHeijmans good point with it on the side like that it might be a non issue

[@KeithSachs]

@@drwigglechin id still greatly prefer some actually good drivers lol

[@mmh-305]

Android 15 will have the "Desktop Mode" build in (:

[@tdata545]

Are there microphones that work in andriod? Since I tried a lot of my wired 4-pole mics with my ODIN 2 and NONE of them got picked up with the dozen or so apps I own. FL Studio couldn't find them. Easy Record, Record Pro, and a handful of other ones. Cursory online search said for whatever reason Android as of 11 stopped supporting external mics. Maybe that was via 3.5mm and not USB C like a Rode Wireless Pro or those wireless options.

[@tdata545]

@@matthewjohnson1891 That's USB C based and not 3.5MM based.

[@acek1605]

you had me sold at the Steam Deck

[@Djerique]

Does it work with an iPhone?

[@cesar122111]

Eta, i know you have been using external GPU on some Mini Pc can you make a video comparing different options... i want to buy one but i want one than i can replace the GPU

[@OsTheMons]

Yes sirrr🎉

[@Qwkmm]

@ETAPrime can you show iPhone compatibility or the lack of?

[@RolandoMarreroPR]

Yes! Was waiting for this!

[@iTsLyonA]

I as well am wanting to see if it works for iphones

[@gzero26]

do Iphones even have video out capabilities?

[@Qwkmm]

There are lightning to hdmi cables, but the 15 has usb-c that can output video on its own.

[@lewke1059]

any idea if this will work with a linux phone? think it could be a nice little linux laptop?

[@jandarylcastrence8126]

Wow, what controller is that? looks like a 8bitdo ultimate but can’t seem to find that transparent version

[@allenqueen]

The thing can charge Steam Deck at 45W ?

[@Dave_W861]

Did the pass through to the rog give enough power to enable the 30w mode?

[@Uthur]

Could have sworn this was supposed to be 120hz

[@Rakutsi]

I like the idea. But to bad its only US keyboard layout. I want the nordic version. Live in Sweden.

[@jorgenquiding2334]

Keyboard cover or order special designed.

[@sebastian221983]

Mmm..I like that wallpaper..Could you kindly share with us?

[@jondub81]

I have the 2 previous versions of the Nexdock, real solid functional devices. The 1st one I has a 13" display with a FULL SIZE HDMI, then the next one swapped out with a mini HDMI input... I think that was a poor decision and I was hoping they would return with a full HDMI input on this one... apparently not

[@danielgomez2503]

Is this a rebranded Dopesplay?

[@JayGaines5150]

Can you include the price $ when you list the specs

[@djesky1]

Why aren't these available for purchase in Australia?

[@Omaaloopas]

I know right

[@TonyRush21]

This question has nothing to do with this video, but I asked a particular question of you on your ocu link video but no response. Can I run the Intel Arc A770 16G Graphics card on your "Low-Cost OCuLink GPU Dock?

[@kingchangling]

what is that steam BPM layout?that looks really cool.

[@markreyes390]

Still waiting for making the phone function as touch pad..with phone slot..

[@kawasaki_vt4225]

Anyone wondering the price its 299

[@hamelnbeach]

OLED and 90/120hz missing for my taste

[@teeborg1519]

no ethernet means this can support internet over usb-c I guess, right?