Comandante X25 Trailmaster: The Ultimate Travel Coffee Grinder?

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

The giveaway is over! Thank you all for supporting our work and your interest in the new comandante X25 Trailmaster. There were 168 valid entries, and the winner is *janhais* - congratulations ☕🎉 (you can watch the draw in Stories).

[@needmorebeans]

I love how the 1Zpresso Q2 fits into the aeropress plunger. That's the travel grinder for me.

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

It was Porlex Mini for us too, we don't find it that important anymore. Haven't tried Q2 model ...

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@EuropeanCoffeeTrip With the Trailmaster you only need half of the AeroPress, which is even more compact 😉. Video coming soon...

[@emonty62]

agree and price!!!

[@shishsuke]

You can't find the 1zpresso Q2 anywhere these days sadly. I think they stopped making it

[@needmorebeans]

@@shishsuke they've recently relaunched it globally with the infamous heptagonal burrs

[@chanceboucher]

Oh no! A cylindrical grinder with a swivel handle that rotates at the top, would be a real shame if someone patented that design and sued every other company that used it! Oh...wait a minute.

[@pinkguy7851]

😂😂😂

[@dyvel]

The giveaway: it's free if you pay for it. This isn't a giveaway since you require payment. It's a paid lottery where you possibly expect to make a profit.

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

It's a perk for many people who already "invited us for coffee" and supported us for a long time. I think it is very similar to gated giveaways many other KZbinrs do for their Patreons (or members on other platforms). Since we spent a lot of resources building our mobile app, we thought this can be a better way. I am sorry if it made you feel bitter.

[@jb4948]

which is illegal in most US states.

[@dyvel]

@@EuropeanCoffeeTrip I think you are right about everything else than calling it a giveaway. You are definitely well deserving of donations and it's indeed a nice touch to thanks supporters by giving away a grinder, but the current format and language is making it deceiving unfortunately. Call it a giveaway among donating supporters if you like and briefly explain how to become a donating supporter to support the channel, company and app, but not specifically to enter the giveaway. I don't know about the legality where you're from, but it wouldn't be legal in Sweden for example. It's all just a matter of wording as far as I'm concerned.

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

@@dyvel thanks for clarification - you are probably right. We will make sure we communicate it better next time (if we organise any giveaway at all). Sorry for confusion. Hope you enjoyed the video.

[@cheekster777]

Thanks guys. 🙏🏻

[@needmorebeans]

Will we ever see a Comandante with external grind adjustment?

[@GodDamnAmazing]

if comandante just wouldn't sue small coffee shops for selling other grinders.

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

When did this happen? We are not aware of any lawsuit - could you be more specific?

[@MichaelAhonk]

@@EuropeanCoffeeTrip comandante basically patented the design of a conical hand grinder as theirs and decided to threaten and/or sue coffee shops that sell timemore or 1zpresso hand grinders, for instance, claiming that they 'copy' the design of comandante. Very shameful in my opinion, especially when other companies constantly make improvements and comandante is still stuck with the same burr and design for years already

[@fntlememfla]

@@EuropeanCoffeeTrip Comandate has applied for a sales injunction against a company that manufactures manual grinders with a simple exterior design right. Although their design rights did not have any rights over other types of manual grinders, they inadvertently interfered with the business of other companies.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@GodDamnAmazing @Michael Ahonk. Fortunately, that's not true. We haven't sued anyone.

[@MichaelAhonk]

@@ComandanteGrinder good for you. I am not very good at using the right words as in suing vs sales injunction etc, but Douglas above explained it better and you know the point is you threatened and/or interfered with other people's business because they sell these other grinders. Imo still shameful and not professional

[@harikisadewaputra7708]

Lightweight, durable and food safe good fundamental

[@Юлиус-п6ц]

X25 is a great grinder, but paying EUR 28 more to get the C40 in powder-coating type seems a much better option.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

It really depends on your wants and needs. Like Aleš mentions in the video, we wanted to create a solution for coffee lovers brewing whilst on adventures in the great outdoors :). For example, holding a C40 with its stainless steel body in below-zero temperatures is extremely cold due to the metal. TRAILMASTER provides not only extra grip and a slimmer shape to hold, but our QTP techno-polymer doesn't feel cold.

[@Юлиус-п6ц]

​@@ComandanteGrinder You're right! I got that. In many situation X25 could be better to use than C40. So, the most right decision is buy both, I guess. X-D

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@Юлиус-п6ц We love them both too 😉 ❤

[@ComandanteGrinder]

​@@PW-72648 Hello there and thanks for tuning in :). Comandante is about using the best possible materials and producing to extremely high quality standards in order to create tools that are reliable for a lifetime of great coffee. Doing so is about working with integrity. Doing anything less would be an injustice to your investment and to the planet. Best, Joe.

[@AviadMD]

Travel grinder that doesn't fit inside an AeroPress is a HARD pass... I'll stick to the Q2 for my OTG brewing

[@ComandanteGrinder]

With the Trailmaster you only need half of the AeroPress, which is even more compact 😉. Video coming soon...

[@MrAnecro]

Comandante is giving you one free trailmaster

[@Grogg786]

What is the difference between grinding x25 and c40? Is the first click of x25 equal to the first click of c40?

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

yes, first click and dial in is equal for X25 and C40 given the same burr set but there are obviously slight difference from unit to unit

[@xinyaowang3710]

Basically a plastic grinder for $200 plus. I hope coffee people could get mature more quickly to avoid "big brands" producing products like this.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

We understand people's fears around plastic. We hate cheap plastic! But we are never afraid to test new materials, and there are modern and high-performance polymers with incredible properties. There is a huge huge huge difference between cheap plastics and the polymers that we use when producing our products. The single-piece construction of the X25 TRAILMASTER (for ultimate stiffness and stability) wouldn't be possible with cheap plastics - too unstable, too flexible and too weak. We spent two years testing a selection of different high-performance materials that you'd find in automotive and aerospace industries to discover their capabilities and see how they faired in terms of stability, robustness and performance over time. QTP was for us the optimum choice, you should try it for yourself :).

[@HaekalAlchatieb]

new design is very sleek noyce

[@lufertembelkan]

Hi from Turkey, Hope to see on TinCoffee 😊

[@ComandanteGrinder]

You should contact them, they might have some already ;).

[@tomaszgrzesik3916]

I think they have to reinvent the crank to make this grinder truely portable. I mean I can hide my grinder in some other piece of coffee gear (aeropress, or travel frenchpress), but beacause of its shape the crank has to stay apart anyway and takes some room.

[@thestudio.coffee]

Looks like a nice smooth grinding experience. Might look into a few of these. Thanks for the great review 😊

[@abdallaaa]

Love the brand. Absolutely love using it. Not a fan of this design however.

[@megamouth4399]

Great video, been waiting for this comandante trailmaster video from you guys.

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

Yeah, it was long time in making. Thanks for watching ☕️👍

[@simonc5788]

love my c40 except one thing... so Is it just me , have i missed that part of the video or when your traveling YOU WANT SOMEWHERE TO STUFF THE HANDLE ???

[@ComandanteGrinder]

Hey there and thanks for your support! We often travel with the crank mounted and the grinder in the corner of the bag (think Tetris :D), but we also have our C40 Travel Bag and our Tool Bag #2 which offer you that solution :).

[@joroboam]

Enjoying your content BIG TIME ❤

[@MGmg-pv7hh]

What a joke... they should do a proper espresso grinder first. Competition is eating them alive...

[@ComandanteGrinder]

Hi there, thanks for your thoughts. What would you look for in a proper espresso grinder? Best, Team Comandante

[@MGmg-pv7hh]

@@ComandanteGrinder Bigger burrs (famous Comandante quality), easy adjustment system, no plastic in main body of the grinder. That's all what I would expect from coffee lovers who made this company.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@MGmg-pv7hh We think you'll like what we have in R&D at the moment then :).

[@crashandrise]

@@ComandanteGrinder small adjustments like 8.8 microns or thereabouts, bigger burr that grinds faster and a stronger body with no plastic internals. That would make it unparalleled

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@crashandrise Our Red Clix already changes the narrow burr gap by 6 microns, with 100% repeatability and no risk of the setting slipping whilst grinding :).

[@b44arton]

Hi guys, I don't have a commandante giveaway option, only aeropress. I'm on Android with version 0.12.2 that was released 30.9.2022 and it's the latest version I can get from the Google play store :-/ any tips?

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

Oh, sorry to hear that. We will verify and solve it soon.

[@andreslunabermejo2136]

Same problem here! :(

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

@@andreslunabermejo2136 we are on it right now. Sorry for the trouble with the Android app.

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

@@andreslunabermejo2136 The button should take you to the right form now (there may still be AeroPress mentioned on the button). Please let us know if it worked for you Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for the support!

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

The button should take you to the right form now (there may still be AeroPress mentioned on the button). Please let us know if it worked for you Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for the support!

[@jb4948]

I made my travel grinder taller, uglier and more static inducing than my regular grinder... just shut up and buy it! I'm guessing that most people will opt for the C40 given the price difference for the nice wood/metal over the plastic (techno-polymer - like What is Love?) is less than the cost of a half kilo of single-origin coffee. Is this guy/fan-boy Bernd's other son?

[@НикитаДобровольский-б4э]

7:12 is this American cherry or Virginia walnut?

[@ComandanteGrinder]

This is a C40 Nitro Blade 'Liquid Amber', but with the crank from an American Cherry grinder 😅

[@hrkr-hy6we]

Guys we have missed seeing you going different cities and introducing us the best cafes/roasters around the world 🌎

[@EuropeanCoffeeTrip]

Thanks, we try to keep balance between studio and travel videos but I still believe are filming out of our studio a lot ☕️😅 Soon, we will show you a look into a coffee roasters production facility in Norway!

[@mercedes1990221]

Hi, I’m going to upgrade my grinder to comandante c40 or 1zpresso Kmax. Do they have huge different tastes by pour over coffee? Because the price of C40 is almost double than Kmax in my area. Want to get your suggestion, thank you!

[@ComandanteGrinder]

We believe it's important to consider the quality as well as the physical and chemical properties of the materials used in coffee grinders. Not only for food safety reasons, but also for performance reasons. There's a lot going on on the material science level that isn't obvious at first glance. With these considerations in mind, we use only high quality stainless steel in our grinders (no aluminium) and certainly no burr coatings. Not only the geometry of our Nitro Blade burr makes it taste and performance differently to other burrs. The steel and finishing we use give it a much higher hardness which means it will perform throughout your lifetime. No need to replace it. The steel is also highly inert, performing with absolute neutrality. It avoids the premature oxidation of and reaction with the beans during the grinding process, preserving the complex flavour and sensory characteristics of high quality coffees. Sometimes it's worth paying more to end up paying less in the long term :).

[@TheMakabert]

Go for the K-max. I've been using it as my daily driver over the c40 for over a year now. Though I still use c40 occasionally it's just cumbersome to dial in while not delivering any superior taste to the cup of coffee.

[@mercedes1990221]

@@TheMakabert Thank you so much. The K-max is a good choice and its adjustment dial is really convenience. Also it can deliver a nice cup of coffee.

[@TheMakabert]

@@ComandanteGrinder There are regulations on EU-level regarding food contact material. The way commandatne try to describe steel is food safe while aluminium is not is certainly very misleading as aluminium has been a food contact material for almost a century and still is used in cooking ware and food containers etc. to this day and also a legal food contact material in the entire world not just EU. By further implying a coating on burrs have a bad impact on coffee taste and is not safe for contact with food is almost ridiculous. The person above is asking for input regading the c40 and the K-max and commandante is trying to make it sound like that K-max has a coated burr which is not true, the burrs on k-max is stainless steel while there are certain models from 1zpresso that have burrs with coating with titanium which is the most food safe metall on earth which is why titanium is also used in surgical procedures when reinforcing a bone fracture with titanium screws for instance (the human body do not repell or have any allergic reactions to titanium) . Measuring how long the c40 burr is going to last with time is certainly inappropriate. How long is his expected life time? a day, a month or a year? It would be more reasonable to measure it with how many kilograms coffee it can grind before wearing out and the performance on grind size distributions starts to become uneven. That being said. My personal experience is that K-max is way more user friendly, better built with no plastic inside of the grinder body like the c40 and more innovative with the outer ring adjustment compared to my c40. Don't get me wrong, I still like the performance of my c40 though it doesn't deliver a superior taste in the cup of coffe and it's also cumbersome whenever I need to dial in coffee when changing a bag of coffee (I usually have three different bags of single origin coffee at any given time of the week at home). I will continue to support commandante if the company continues to innovate instead of trying to mislead potential customers and be petty about competitors working in the same market. The c60 is commandantes last chance to keep my support if commandante don't deliver on that release of grinder then I will probably never return as a customer. Cheers.

[@MrAnecro]

@@ComandanteGrinder my trailmaster coming tomorrow ready to brew in the sand dunes of Dubai.

[@schweigsamerdan]

not slim enough for an aeropress travel kit … not useful for me at all :(

[@emonty62]

get the 1Zpresso Q2!!!

[@ComandanteGrinder]

With the Trailmaster you only need half of the AeroPress, which is even more compact and lightweight 😉. Video coming soon...

[@TheMakabert]

@Comandante Grinder There are regulations on EU-level regarding food contact material. The way commandante try to describe steel is food safe while aluminium is not is certainly very misleading as aluminium has been a food contact material for almost a century and still is used in cooking ware and food containers etc. to this day and also a legal food contact material in the entire world not just EU. By further implying a coating on burrs have a bad impact on coffee taste and is not safe for contact with food is almost ridiculous. The person above is asking for input regading the c40 and the K-max and commandante is trying to make it sound like that K-max has a coated burr which is not true, the burrs on k-max is stainless steel while there are certain models from 1zpresso that have burrs with coating with titanium which is the most food safe metall on earth which is why titanium is also used in surgical procedures when reinforcing a bone fracture with titanium screws for instance (the human body do not repell or have any allergic reactions to titanium) . Measuring how long the c40 burr is going to last with time is certainly inappropriate. How long is his expected life time? a day, a month or a year? It would be more reasonable to measure it with how many kilograms coffee it can grind before wearing out and the performance on grind size distributions starts to become uneven. That being said. My personal experience is that K-max is way more user friendly, better built with no plastic inside of the grinder body like the c40 and more innovative with the outer ring adjustment compared to my c40. Don't get me wrong, I still like the performance of my c40 though it doesn't deliver a superior taste in the cup of coffe and it's also cumbersome whenever I need to dial in coffee when changing a bag of coffee (I usually have three different bags of single origin coffee at any given time of the week at home). I will continue to support commandante if the company continues to innovate instead of trying to mislead potential customers and be petty about competitors working in the same market. The c60 is commandantes last chance to keep my support if commandante don't deliver on that release of grinder then I will probably never return as a customer. Cheers.

[@MrAnecro]

Customers can always choose where to spend their money. Respect.

[@TheMakabert]

@@MrAnecro no shit Sherlock. What’s your point? That it’s okay to mislead customers as long as customers are able to choose?

[@MrAnecro]

@@TheMakabert i just mislead my wife so I can buy the trailmaster. Everybody’s misleading everybody. Im happy you’re happy with your k-max.

[@dtonpbac]

Comandante should seriously up their game. They are stuck in the past while their competitors are constantly getting better and better. Was so disappointed with MK4 after so many years all they changed was super minor things. There are even new companies that adopted two-burrs mechanism for a hand grinder. Comandante lacks this kind of creative and innovative approaches and it seems they don't see their problem.

[@mixeddrinks8100]

I think there are two schools of thoughts here, one is always innovative and innovative, but there is still some charm in doing it "old school way" which after so many years you could say, for nostalgic reason, still an oldie but a goodie. But yea I don't see why they can't do both, sell the old school style and innovate to the moon.

[@TheTalemaster]

Reads like an embittered Amazon review that seems to make sense until you realize its just complaining about a company's right to make its own design decisions, lol.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

Hello there and thanks for sharing your thoughts :). We never presented the C40 Mk4 as a big development or change from the Mk3, but rather as gradual evolution. We agree that there's not a massive difference. Sorry if we didn't communicate that clearly enough to provide the right expectations. Here from our post at the time: "From 2015-2021 we made continuous and hidden improvements to all components of our beloved C40 Mk3 Nitro Blade grinder. This time however, with a couple of visually obvious differences, we couldn't possibly keep calling it Mk3..." The C40 Mk4 brings the same excellent grind performance and simple usability with no gimmicks. We were already really happy with our C40 baby and we may not have made any changes so quickly if we hadn't been faced with the issue of fake C40 Mk3 grinders being produced in Asia, and our beloved user community there being conned into buying them. Really there was only room for a few small improvements to durability, weight and workflow. Our small and dedicated team has always has a careful and thorough approach to choosing the right materials, technologies and design, so that we can create a grinder that will last generations. The world and the environment doesn't need tools that need replacing every few years. X25 Trailmaster is absolutely the same, and like European Coffee Trip say, it's designed for a specific use case. If you don't need a lightweight and robust grinder for outdoor use, stick to your C40 :). Thanks for your support!

[@ando.niyuen]

@@ComandanteGrinder it's not being conned if the grinders from Asia are easier to use, cost less, and produce better quality grinds.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@ando.niyuen Our comment was relating to fake grinders sold as 'Comandante C40 Mk3 Nitro Blade' (examples here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DOkAwmi_VSio4IL8YVxIcsd-fiDafZ-1?usp=share_link). Aside from poor manufacturing quality, lab testing of these fake grinders showed inferior steel quality for the burrs and questionable materials re: food safety. Selling these counterfeit products is not only illegal, but selling them to users and displaying them as the authentic article is certainly conning people. We are sure you would agree.

[@Cwiotr]

To be honest I have never liked the diameter of my sister's Commandante. It is too big for my palm. I prefer the grip of my Timemore C2. But this X25 can be a trigger to switch to the legendary Comandante due to its diameter... Btw I have made a donation. I have the newest app, but I miss the giveaway button. Can you help, please?

[@Mudganon59]

There is absolutely no way im paying 200 euro for plastic grinder. Or even any comandante product for that matter.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

We understand people's fears around plastic. We hate cheap plastic! But we are never afraid to test new materials, and there are modern and high-performance polymers with incredible properties. There is a huge huge huge difference between cheap plastics and the polymers that we use when producing our products. The single-piece construction of the X25 TRAILMASTER (for ultimate stiffness and stability) wouldn't be possible with cheap plastics - too unstable, too flexible and too weak. We spent two years testing a selection of different high-performance materials that you'd find in automotive and aerospace industries to discover their capabilities and see how they faired in terms of stability, robustness and performance over time. QTP was for us the optimum choice, you should try it for yourself :).

[@TheMakabert]

@@ComandanteGrinder Increasing the price doesn't make plastic more stable as a material...

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@TheMakabert Different polymers have hugely different attributes. It's important to choose the right one for the job. For some use cases, flexibility is desired, for others it isn't. Some polymers are much more expensive to produce and work with, but have attributes that are unattainable for run-of-the-mill plastics. Take carbon-fibre for example. It is a composite material that is essentially a polymer *reinforced* by carbon-fibres. It is relatively expensive, but has fantastic attributes such as stiffness and a high strength:weight ratio. Our QTP material is also a reinforced polymer, using quartz nano-particles to form a robust and stable polymer matrix. Its attributes come with a cost in the short term, but it's an investment that pays out in the longterm. Trailmaster will be a trusty companion for a long, long time :).

[@MrAnecro]

Thanks for the explanation on the composition of qtp material. I think I trust the designers and engineers in developing and deciding the most favorable materials for outdoors. Kudos to the team.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@MrAnecro Thanks for your support!

Maybe it's a good solution for travelers!

[@rickbrockthedog8017]

Awesome grinder! Great for RV use and travel in general. Love it and makes great coffee.

[@drinkland1]

hi✌️☺️

[@edoalva48]

If I'm not mistaken, this product has been announced by Comandante since July, but they haven't put it in their website? There is only C40 MK4..

[@ComandanteGrinder]

Check again 😇🙏. Thanks for your support!

[@edoalva48]

@@ComandanteGrinder Ah yes, I can see all the lineups clear now. Thank you.

[@kittypongggg1020]

I am planning to buy new a hand coffee grinder, but i hardly decide which one to buy between X25 or C40 mk4. Mainly use for home filter coffee and rarely travel.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

Hello there! Like ECT said, we designed the X25 with a focus on outdoors use (lighter, more robust), but with the same grind performance (grind result and required strength) as the C40 thanks to our wonderful NITRO BLADE burr set inside. But here are a couple of other differences that might be worth considering, even if your main intention is brewing at home :)... > Size - the X25 has a slightly smaller diameter, which is more comfortable for people with smaller hands. > Capacity - C40 = 40-50g, X25 = 25-30g > Also, the C40 comes with a spare Bean Jar to collect the grounds, meaning you can easily grind enough coffee for a litre of coffee by grinding two doses of coffee in quick succession. Hope that helps!

[@BenSietze]

The C40 has quite a wide body, the X25 is more slim and might suit people with smaller hands better perhaps. And there’s capacity. Do you want to grind more then 25-28grams in one go? Then the C40 is the one to go with. The rest is personal preference, personally I like the looks of the C40 much better. Awesome grinder for filter coffee. And espresso…

[@ComandanteGrinder]

@@BenSietze Thanks for your kind words Ben :). Glad you love your C40! The Trailmaster can even handle up to over 30g of coffee - we didn't want to compromise on capacity. After all, it's always nicer to share a coffee with friends (or maybe just drink more yourself 😂!).

[@quanchi8210]

Buy a 1zpresso K-max

[@Grogg786]

@@ComandanteGrinder They say that the minimum grinding of the x25 trailmaster is larger than that of the C40, is it true?

[@lastfour]

Looks like a good grinder...if it had come out 5 years ago. The dialing systems looks old and difficult and all the competition is far away from them with better prices and better materials.

[@ComandanteGrinder]

There is less space around the grind setting dial than on the C40 of course, because it's a slimmer design, but that doesn't mean it's difficult - it's really easy :). Like Aleš says, you might just need to use a slightly different technique. Then you can lock in your grind setting with 100% repeatability 👍. When you get a chance, try it for yourself and see :). Re: price and materials. Our goal is to produce food-safe and high-performing tools that last and perform for a lifetime. Our planet and fellow humans are suffering from the effects of toxic materials and planned obsolescence. The cross-compatibility of parts and systems between C40 and X25 was a conscious decision. TRAILMASTER is formed into a single block for lightweight, performance, and enduring stability using cutting edge injection-moulding technology. It would have been easy to design it more simply and to use cheap plastics and aluminium with lower durability, lifetime and performance. But that is not what COMANDANTE is about.

[@MrAnecro]

Better materials? Like what?

[@gorgonzolariggs7710]

@@MrAnecro haters gonna hate

[@jespertdk]

Love it!