Eurovision 2017 Semi-Final 1 Split Results: Who did the juries help or hurt?

[@emilyschlee5653]

_binge watches wiwibloggs to cure post eurovision depression_

[@nursen2106]

:-D

[@SofiaSantos7]

EM X KO relatable

[@irisk6035]

EM X KO rELATABLE!!

[@jonasw533]

hhahahahah yes XD

[@theamelian]

EM X KO YASSSSS

[@acdeeiprrt]

10:38 "give me a virus" 2020: SHUT UP WILLIAM YOU JINXER

[@ZoeBTR]

The103 points Cyprus got from televoting speak for themselves! That was like the best answer Cyprus could give to all the haters!!!

[@bramsauer5641]

William 2019: 'Give me a virus...' Corona 2020: there you go.

[@RolyWestYT]

I did not vote for Latvia as i thought they would blast through to the final! BUT LAST!? SHOOK!

[@jupitreal1089]

LITERALLY. It is December 2021 and almost 2022 and I am angry about that still. 😭😭

[@cristianasilva6127]

Im so sad for Finland 😢 The most underrated for me this year 💔 Great video wiwibloggs 😘 And congrats for 40k 💗

[@evangeliar.7600]

Cristiana Silva Finland is still overrated

[@that1forgettableperson458]

@@evangeliar.7600 No it isn't. It is a masterpiece.

[@stratoincendus3869]

I actually can understand the juries putting Blanche so low in the semi. If you would have gotten better later, bad luck. Her voice was extremely shaky during the last chorus in the semi, and if you don't give your A-game in the jury show, they will mark you down. That's just how it is.

[@SofiaSantos7]

I personally love the song and Blanche's voice so much! but that's my opinion, the jury wasn't unfair with her, so I agree with what you said

[@MusicForever167]

You're forgetting that the jury results were based on the jury final that we didn't see.

[@aleksanderpagels288]

How the HELL were Greece and Cyprus allowed to compete in the same semi-final in the first place??

[@marilenatheodotou2332]

Aleksander Petersen there is an allocation draw where the countries are divided to 6 bowls eg. 1st bowl the Scandinavian countries etc ... in each bowl they put the countries who tend to vote for each other so there is a smaller chance for them to be in the same semi final...this year Greece and Cyprus were randomly selected to be in the same semi!! but in 2015 they weren't and even then they both managed to qualify

[@nilerra8181]

Poland difference is only by 19 points between public and juries. Nothing compared to what juries did to Michal.

[@lukegray487]

Yes you're finally back 😁 it's only been a week but I've missed you all lots 😂❤️

[@xichotl]

I felt a bit vindicated with Cyprus getting through despite all the eye-rolls it had been getting, because I'd been low-key stanning the whole time. Not a favourite but imo a worthy entry. I also find that it worked better live and it had a good performance and nothing else really sounded like it in the semi.

[@egorkoval9924]

Something about Armenia coming 7th? You guys all were like sure it will win semifinal.

[@onurcanyilmaz4385]

Belgium 13th from juries? What were they thinking?

[@annekelly195]

Onurcan Yilmaz I know

[@lin7823]

Zoe Kouf Do you even know that staging is?

[@gertscomplex7568]

BELGIUM: Guys, it should not really blow your mind that Belgium got only 40 points with the juries. It actually perfectly reflects the overall feeling from the press room throughout the two weeks. Press were scrutinizing her heavily, especially when it comes to the staging (which press critisized as being too simple and dull) and the vocals (if you re toched by it or not, the press wasn't thrilled about her vocals and how they compare to classically schooled vocalists). And let those two things be important jury points. So I think that juries put the performers above the song most of the time, and not the other way around. NETHERLANDS: And not surprisingly, the above two points are exactly the same reason why Netherlands basically 'scored the other way around'. Juries loved O'G3NE, because of their flawless, classic harmonies vocals, because of a toned down, but still moody staged song, and because of their fierce presence. That helps with juries. But not with televoters, because they need to be 'emotionally grabbed' by them. And that's not what happened. I think the near-to-perfection executed song resulted in a bit of a pastiche with televoters. Perhaps the same with Australia too. So let's not slam only the juries, because many of the televoters choices are questionable too. I hope you guys arementioning this, because we do need the juries. They only need to be improved! And perhaps, just maybe, the press needs to make separate ranking? A ranking of what the more serious, cold-hearted jury members do, and a ranking of what the more emotional, less critical televoters will do? Then you understand the results better as well.

[@mentonerodominicano]

I'm surprised the people liked Finland more than the jury.

[@sharkfinn4]

Watching this 2 years later, I gotta say Australia's "Don't come easy" is one of the quite few 2017 songs I still listen to regularly. One of my most played 2017 songs as well.

[@StormMartinEBFG]

Finland :(

[@Arissek013]

i though u say something about Armenia, some of u though that they won semi and at the end 7th place..

[@RubyChiang]

Arisek Armenia's song was really.... like I never got the hype for Armenia!

[@Mrempoleon100]

Arisek i guess they realize that after the final that she didnt won the semifinal

[@nilerra8181]

Armenia was just bad.

[@yepitsthatguy5278]

YASSS!! I've been waiting for this video for a week!

[@mattm.2591]

Thanks for posting this. I'm very much looking forward to ones about the second semi-final and the final.

[@RubyChiang]

Televoters were amazing with Australia! 😂😂😂

[@theamelian]

I voted about 7 times for Latvia, I was so disappointed :( I think Agnese is so beautiful as well

[@xichotl]

The winner of this semi for me was Armenia, holy hell! Artsvik slayed me, my family, my cattle and my crops. Queen!

[@arenpetrosyan4995]

Poland and Belgium were robbed by juries!!! And Australia is so overrated :/

[@kubab9234]

Aren Petrosyan Poland is Robbing by jury everyear

[@arenpetrosyan4995]

Kuba B I didnt like last years entry... I think it didnt deserve top 10... Slavic girls was good but not for top 5... Cleo got deserved result (anyway a place in top 10 would be better...)... But Kasia was robbed even by televote :/

[@RollinsMoxStan]

Finland is my winner this year. it is very subtle and dark and my kind of ballad. I prefer ballads like Finland to big diva ballads. it is my first ballad winner since 98

[@gertscomplex7568]

Can we also add the tagline "Who did televoters help or hurt"? I mean, more and more the juries get brandmarked as villains or baddies, and that's not entirely true. There is a very good reason why we have re-installed the juries back in 2009: A) Make sure that countries who come up early in the running order, don't get forgotten by televoters. We saw that entries like Belgium 2010, Finland 2011, Norway 2014, Netherlands 2016 (and 2017)and even Sweden 2015 (the winner) were suffering from this unfair aspect. B) Brings me to B), since televoters do not judge all 26 entries, and are certainly not ranking all entries in TOP 26 order. Televoters have 2, maybe 3 hot favourites, and all countries that end lower in their lists are exposed to the sheer 'randomness' of televoters. It's one of the reason Netherlands got so many 9th to 14th places with the televoters this year, resulting in a very disappointng overall result. C) Yes, even juries tend to vote for their neighbours. And perhaps juries in Eastern-Europe are more willing to give their top mark to a neighbor (Greece vs. Cyprus - Armenia vs. Georgia) than in Western-Europe (Netherlands vs. Belgium). But come on, that has been normal ever since there were juries from 1956 until 1997. D) Brings me to D), since juries are certainly not prone to diaspora votes. The Turkish or Armenian diaspora vote is not automatically going to Turkey or Armenia anymore. And the Polish immigrant vote - which people talk about a lot, but which influence I find greatly exaggerated - isn't that pronounced either. So please, let's embrace the fact that we have juries too OK? 100% televoters are not good, but 100% juries aren't good either.This mixed system is Always better. But I do think the system as used between 2013 and 2015, was the best and actually filtered out huge discrepancies: One has to do well with BOTH the juries and televoters to get a high score. Makes sense no? Lastly, I am calling for a serious expansion of the national juries from 5 people to 10 people (5 aged higher than 40, 5 people younger than 40). And add for every jury an 11th independent jury chairman who's not allowed to vote, but who oversees the correct collection of the votes from the 10 jury members. I am curious what WiWiBloggs thinks of this.....

[@Mtanic]

And one more thing, I love love love you guys. You're the only ESC-related channel I can watch. You're shrill at times, you're colorful, you're fun, but you analyze everything with great precision and a feeling for details and you really explain why you think what you think. Thank you!

[@teddytete.mp3]

I think you guys got australia wrong. It is not the first time that the televote doesn't vote for quality songs and this song is charting on the nordic countries without being any related to universal music sweden, Isaiah is touring there this summer, he won the x Factor, his song was like a 2017 upgraded Sam Smith song... i think it diserved to go through...

[@Dutchandfrench]

Why the heck was Latvia last?

[@a.liepins]

True

[@mattm.2591]

I know. I had figured that it was on the bubble - might get through to the final, might not - so, when it didn't, I had assumed that it had finished 11th or 12th or something like that.

[@tamu7243]

Dutchandfrench bad lyrics and bad voice

[@florencepoltic6675]

OK, Tamu, that's your opinion. With respect to that, it should've atleast went like 11th or 12th

[@oxcaxx]

Tamu Audwodia I actually quite liked the lyrics. :(

[@dancingtoelectro]

The jury's obviously still like the novelty of Australia being in the competition, whereas the public are over it.

[@vickiguims9476]

dancingtoelectro I agree ,its not even just that , they're probably like Australia has traveled too far ,they've spent too much money ,we can't just leave them in the semi finals after they went through all that trouble to get here. so Australia are always gonna be overrated no matter what . but I actually liked the song it wasnt better than Dami im but i still thought it was really good his voice is amazing.

[@PhilipWester]

Aren't the juries supposed to ignore the running order?

[@phiophiox]

omg weren't you a quiz rpg player

[@PhilipWester]

Yup, that's me!

[@nilerra8181]

Philip Wester They have to rank everything. So running order is not that important. Televote vote for what they remember.

[@PhilipWester]

+nil erra: I know. But the Wiwiblogs talking heads in this video kept saying "The juries should've/might've voted this higher/lower because of its running order". But they ignore that altogether. So why are the Wiwiblows people implying otherwise?

[@lin7823]

Well, yes, unless a tiebreaker is required, then the song which came first is favored

[@EllieSweettt]

Iceland was my favourite from that night. Never heard the song before or had expectations of it. :)

[@RubyChiang]

Latvia didn't deserve last place!

[@rickelmonoggin]

That's a lovely horse you have over your mantlepiece, William.

[@Wiwibloggs]

That's hilarious that you noticed that! And thank you. It's a photo of a horse in Switzerland!

[@J1mmyMack]

What did Austria and other countries want to do with their staging but couldn't?

[@JEMTenor]

In the semis Blanche's vocals were horrendous! However, she absolutely improved in the final!

[@megajellexD]

watching wiwi now because i just can't wait 58days anymore

[@karargyri]

I loved Australia, I actually thought it would win! He has such a beautiful voice.

[@autumn3686]

Why do the juries never like Poland? Why is Australia so overrated by them? and Czech Republic in top 10? They have a weird taste to be honest...

[@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek]

+Sharnie Shakeel did anyone say Poland was better than Czech Republic, because I haven't noticed. Dude, chill out really and stop hating.

[@oliviajrh390]

AutumnHere Poland was better than czechs

[@Alex4u]

Czech Republic was better than Poland to be honest.

[@cirdec98]

Czech Republic was so much better than Poland. And maybe Poland should send better songs, then the juries are gonna give them many points.

[@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek]

You guys are so funny. He/she said literally nothing about Poland being better than Czech Republic and you just start a shitstorm making Poland a Czech Republic's enemy somehow. So much love in Europe

[@davidod8545]

Wiwibloggs, when are you doing your 2017 recap

[@rubenvitesse850]

What about Lindita? She deserved to be in the Final!💛

[@aleksandras.9106]

so according to what Bernardo said: he thought that jury ranked Poland low because they thought televotes will save her and it's fine? like wtf? so how the hell can we ever win? I don't like Kasia's song too. But someday we will send a massive hit to win in it, and jury will rank as low, just because you know, we will win in televotes anyway so we don't need jury points at all? What is that thinking?

[@nilerra8181]

Aleksandra S. Juries are so biased. In some countries they punish diaspora. Also they vote knowing what bookies are saying. The whole thing is a mess

[@elizabethingermann5911]

Aleksandra S. I don't think he meant that he jury voted it low under the impression that the televoters would boost it. I think he predicted that it would qualify based on the televote and not the jury and commented that this turned out to be true

[@onlinesongcontests9829]

It's really interesting how much the juries changed their opinion between the semifinals and the final...

[@E_WANR]

Criticism of Cyprus from wiwibloggs is so tired. I have no connections to the song county or artist and I really really enjoyed it so ...

[@film4o]

Im loving these analysis. Im waiting for semi-iinal 2.

[@Steph9737]

Finland 💔 I think I'll cry it until 2018

[@nursen2106]

well done! thanks for the work you are doing. I didn't watch the semi finals, but some things make more sense, when I listen to your background info and thoughts

[@mattiassollerman]

Are questions like "how come Australia did so well with jurys?" ever answered? There seems to be a lot of insinuations towards either foul play or group think. But how does that work in practice?

[@randalalford7649]

that's possibly true with the discussion on Latvia. Remember Albania a few years back...Aurela Gace i think was here name. She had a strong strong appearance that might have cost her. The song was awesome & wonderful, but she came across as a Cruela Deville type in her demeanor on stage.

[@FilipeLimaGonclvs]

The guy in the middle as the EXACT same speaking voice of Conchita.....

[@bernardopereira5018]

ahahaha Filipe não és o primeiro a dizer isso xD

[@FilipeLimaGonclvs]

Pois melhor então nao estou completamente loco ahaha ! Tudo de bom Bernardo ;)

[@Nyla16]

yeeees so glad to see you guys back i missed you!! ❤❤

[@zaprude]

Oh how we've missed you!

[@Barista.Nathan]

"So perfect it's sterile." Honey where was this when Devan was singing the praises of that Barbie doll of a song from Sweden 2018? That's always my thoughts of the Swedes post Euphoria and Undo.. Honestly I think perfection is a sign of stagnation. If it is so good it must be safe and thus pointless. No one wants the status quo.

[@aoife1700]

Martina was robbed, I'll never forgive Europe for this.

[@RubyChiang]

Juries with Belgium was legit in the first Semi-Final!

[@isee6010]

Nice analysis! Well done!

[@ciannaic4978]

Finally

[@tamu7243]

Czechia's friend, Slovakia, could have helped, idk.

[@yepitsthatguy5278]

No mention of Armenia at all?! To me Artsvik's placing was one of the biggest disappointments this year along with Triana Park!!

[@ricardoalmeida3298]

Armenia was so underrated

[@yepitsthatguy5278]

Oh and of course Finland (I'm also personally really sad about Albania but I was never thought she'd be able to qualify)

[@Kexkrummel]

I think the debate about wether we still need the juries or not should be bigger than ever now. The differences between televoters and juryvotes are way too big not to doubt the jury's credibility. I still think that the most juries are somewhat corrupt...

[@armandoarapi7491]

And Albania?

[@kamilpiatkowski]

Does anyone know, even roughly, how many televotes have been casted - are we talking thousands, tens of thousands???

[@everegina2589]

I'm Australian and while I don't think we deserved to qualify I'm glad we did because y'all have to remember, we're still a guest nation, if we throw up all over the place we're not going to be invited back next year, after Dami we were always going to be disappointing. Onwards and upwards hopefully

[@nilerra8181]

William Birch Australia needs to try something different. SBS is playing too safe :S

[@charlottecarson6388]

The only performance I've watched back was Iceland. They were robbed and so were Latvia. Those were the only performances that fully made sense to me. Don't get the hate with Iceland though, one of the strongest performances this year and her vocals were on point.

[@ivanbee]

Who the hell voted for Cyprus?

[@RubyChiang]

John Bee Records It was the juries!

[@evangeliar.7600]

People who liked it

[@everegina2589]

My mother really enjoyed it....?

[@dean6427]

Lol butthurt

[@sabletooth]

Greece shoved 12 points to Cyprus, and since Hovig is Armenian, so did Armenia. That's where the lion's share of the Cypriot points came from in both the semi and the finals.

[@vjollila96]

one think is sure australia did not deserved to be in final

[@Mtanic]

Why does everyone hate Svala's song? I love it, it's modern, it's not worse than many songs that did better (musically)... I can understand some people not liking it, but so many? Why?

[@andreaskrapp12]

Waited for this Video 😍😊

[@Alex4u]

Juries supported Georgia and Australia and NOT Finland and Belgium WTF.

[@danik0704]

I don’t actually get why you hate that much svala ? When she was one of the best ones in the semi better than Australia Cyprus and Belgium ...

[@aleksandar2132]

Slavko was 11th by televote! Yaaas!

[@CoilStorm]

I agree with almost everything you said about Latvia, but imo Agnese actually has a really good, unique voice and yes, this particular song didn't exactly highlight it. Still, her vocals were better than some of the other contestants vocals.

[@marlena9370]

The Veronicas would be amazing in ESC. Love them since I've heard "4ever" and it was 12 years ago (gosh, I'm that old?).

[@radiola3454]

There should be certain criteria for jury. They should improve the first impression problems (great show with poor songs, or running order problem), and add professional judgment about song, such as: the lirics, uniqueness, may be they should even point weather it is smth new for eurovision (even if it's old for music as a whole), even vocals is the second thing (because it would be like judging models appearance instead of the clothes she's wearing). They should junge a song. I even think that it should be a blind audition, for all the effects not to desturb them. And the most fair would be just to give numbers to songs, not names of countries. But the problem is that no one needs it - the more buzz around the contest - the more advertisement. Politics/not politics, fair/ not fair.

[@charliej3886]

Isaiah is charting far more than any other Eurovision act from what I have heard....and yes he didnt get enough votes...why? Because he is Australian and Europe just didnt want Australia back again. It will be interesting to see over the next 12 months who from the top 10 actually does something with their singing career actually worth mentioning. Not sure to be honest.

[@ChrisHalpinESC]

Blanche certainly is doing better from what I've seen.

[@ljem3515]

I think Charlie was talking about Isaiah's charting success in general outside of eurovision, he just went Double Platinum in Sweden which is amazing! Blanche is having amazing charting success with a brilliant song, but I think that was what Charlie was talking about. Both are great artists as you said in the video:)

[@DavidLandonCole]

I still cannot believe Finland didn't get through. Biggest mistake since Mei Finegold. Do you think that we'll see more balladeers using smaller, island stages like Salvador (and Joci's violinist) did? Much as it pains me to say it, I think Svala might be in the running for the Barbara Dex award, particularly given how good she looked in the video.

[@RickyPro888]

“Give me a virus” well that didn’t age well William

[@pedroportales7580]

Sad dor Czech i voted for her i she was the only one with Portugal .

[@pedroportales7580]

the i is meant to be a ,

[@dizzard5297]

I was "spell bound" by Finland the first time I heard it (on semi final night) so I don't know if I agree with that idea. It was pretty immediate. (maybe I'm just weird :p)

[@MrNathanAUS]

As an Australian, I still can't believe we somehow got through instead of Finland, let alone top 10 in finals was even more of a crime.

[@theresajade8904]

Finland was my least favourite. If people actually loved it so much then it would be doing well in sales and charts. All people are complaining about is why it didn't qualify. But they are not supporting it's sales or streams after eurovision??

[@mjm3091]

so can we talk for a moment how Albania got the same amount of points from both jury and televoters? lololo

[@Elora445]

I loved Iceland's song, but I understood why it didn't qualify, because the staging was truly awful. With better staging it would have had a decent chance, at least. Nothing really surprised me this year. Maybe Moldova's results, but that's pretty much it.

[@mitra4752]

I was at a Eurovision watching- party and literally no one (including me) liked Latvia. She didn't sound good and it's such a weird style of music that I think most people are confused when they hear it...

[@paulgiles4519]

Great video and feedback guys. You doing the same with semi #2? I'm interested in your comments Re Ireland 😉

[@mateuszprzystarz3013]

If there hadn't been televotes Poland wouldn't have been in the final in the past 4 attempts. What the! That's totally not fair cmon.

[@BogdanHonciuc]

Australia must've been amazing in the jury semi, because on the live show Isaiah was appallingly bad with that cringeworthy note. That's where the difference comes from.

[@dannyle2379]

Bogdan Honciuc - If he stuffed up in the jury show then he would've been out for sure. The jury show performance was more solid and he hit that whistle note. Isaiah has proved that he isn't unpopular as his televotes score after all, because thanks to eurovision he's picked up 90k + followers on Instagram and just received double platinum for his single "It's gotta be you" in Sweden. I expect Kristian and Isaiah to do well after Eurovision. Team Kristian & Isaiah.!

[@makayla94jenner41]

Danny Le Isaiah has a beautiful strong soulful voice. He just wasn't given the right song and staging to showcase his voice. They also made him change parts of the song which wasn't needed. He only had to stand in one spot and sing. The cover of "Halo" that he sang at the Wiwi Jam was truly amazing. I've started following him on instagram recently. He is much better than his eurovision performance😊

[@nilerra8181]

Bogdan Honciuc Your country was bad live in final. I mean Alex didn't hit a note right and he was vocally shaky. But Romania was really enjoyable, Australia package was flat. That's the difference, it wasn't due to vocals.

[@BogdanHonciuc]

I agree with you 100%.

[@desireepotato9009]

There was lots of net curtain in semi final one, Iceland, Albania, Slovenia etc.....................

[@fredw7219]

I wonder what would have happened had 'Is this Love?' won the selection. I reckon that Daði could've slayed in a big arena.

[@StormMartinEBFG]

Not to mention the lost potential of following "Is This Love?" with "This is Love"…

[@sabletooth]

I think Daði would've fought with Moldova over the televote for the funny/weird entry, and both might've been for the worse for it too. It would not have done well with the jury I reckon.

[@nilerra8181]

Fred W He was Top 10 material for televote. 100% Not sure juries. Iceland messed up its choice this year for picking a pop star.

[@maryamsprouse2646]

Fred W He was better tbh, I supported Svala at the beginning but Dadi (I don't have that Icelandic letter, sorry) was far better with his performance and could have qualified and place well in the final.

[@MrMarkec24]

Finale? We whait your comment on that

[@NigelDowney-sh5yd]

So glad to see you again! I've missed you guys!

[@davidarnold5271]

for me jurys messed up this year at national finals and jury votes

[@larathies4010]

I think Australia wasn't overrated by the juries, it was Just underrated by the televoting 💗

[@Escuniverse4168]

Lara Thies I actually Think it was both... It was definitely not worse than Montenegro or Iceland, bit 2nd Place is much too high

[@ljem3515]

so glad you said this!! totally agree

[@Kiki-mn4nx]

Totally agreeing with you❤❤❤

[@dv2483]

Belgium already was the highest on the charts. It's the juries duty to keep that kind of songs in. They did it for Australia....

[@bonbong9182]

Do a reaction to the Grand final Placing!

[@11CIVZ]

Question for the crew: were they surprised Armenia was so low? Y'all thought it was Armenia V. Portugal for this semi-final win.

[@irisk6035]

I'm really waiting for second semi-final one cause i wanna see their reaction to Estonian 17th place from jury

[@ApricotStone]

Iceland's main problem was that she was dressed as a strong warrior princess while singing about being as weak as paper. Plus the song kinda sucked

[@JuvatVivere]

what about Armenia? It was a wiwiblog favourite and It had no much suport...

[@irina1296]

Great video guys. I think Finland, Iceland and Latvia MUST have been in the Grand Final. I'm in minority but Iceland was my winner in semi-final 1