#Eurovision2024

Eurovision is MATH, and we're doing a deep dive analysis of the results in today's conversation. Who was robbed? Was there funny business? Is the ROTW vote doing what it needs to? What do these numbers tell us about future contests? Let's discuss.
Alesia Michelle is a Eurovision blogger, based in the United States and has been covering the Eurovision Song Contest on KZbin since 2015. Check out her thoughts now!
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[@komandantData]

I feel this “Croatia, sit down and shut up” attitude is not healthy: he was overwhelmingly 1st in the odds, won the OGAE, 1st with the press, 1st in the televote and here I see people disputing his jury points (it was a worthy performance , song had a greater message, it had cultural elements, his vocals improved to a great level, so it is not like it shouldn’t have gotten points on that side) and Baby Lasagna creating a concert and giving out so much energy! I am sorry, but fair is fair - yes, Switzerland deserved the win, but Croatia damn well deserved that 2nd place. People should stop with the bashing - on both sides!

[@AlesiaMichelle]

The attitude is not: Croatia sit down and shut up. The attitude is like: we HEAR YOU, but fighting for the televote winner to win everything this year-Ain't really it. Particularly how we can see the televote being manipulated, it isn't the strongest argument-THIS YEAR.

[@MariaMariamuzieklove]

Joost would have received a lot of televote points as well, maybe even more than Croatia did ( based on the semi final performances) we will never know but I don’t think Croatia has a right to complain about the final result. They did very well and better luck next time.

[@sval5464]

@@MariaMariamuzieklove BL got 63% votes of all casted public votes at Grand final. That is huge when you know how much xy country paid to get all these votes.

[@barttrodd7918]

I’m quite happy for Switzerland winning, but I was rooting for Baby Lasagna. This year I voted for Ireland, Croatia, Spain, and Slovenia just cause I knew the Juries wouldn’t give them much points. And now that this is the second year in a row that the Jury has placed one country miles above the rest makes me worried about this pattern 😬 the televote winner has to win sometime soon, and not come second, or else people may begin to riot lol 😂 Loved the video ❤ the analysis was appreciated!

[@Blowing_JAM]

Ireland 6-6-6, at least the math is working.

[@in_wino_veritas]

Yes, although I would have preferred first place with 666 points.

[@barttrodd7918]

@@in_wino_veritasthat would have been iconic 😆

[@ohlord7043]

On Sunday, RTE also reported that viewing figures for this year's Eurovision in Ireland were approximately 666,000! But I expect this was just them playing on the "satanic" optics.

[@ohlord7043]

On Sunday, the Irish national broadcaster also reported that viewing figures for this year's Eurovision were 666,000! But I think they were just playing on the "devil-worship'" optics.

[@ohlord7043]

On Sunday, the Irish national broadcaster also reported that viewing figures for this year's Eurovision were approximately 666,000... I hope they're just playing with the optics.

[@Marcepan541]

Absolutely! Enough of Polish diaspora. I'm Polish living in London and I couldn't be bothered spending my money for Luna. She just didn't deserve it....instead I voted 10 times for SWITZERLAND and 10 times for IRELAND 😂

[@fm95master]

check her video delivering nemos song backstage though. She delivers is beautifuly and better then her own song. ^_^

[@Wamubodo]

I totally agree. A couple of years ago I wasn't sure if it would influence the Televote but looking at the results in the last years: Poland doesn't have advantage from a diaspora. We should stop with this narrative. Good reaction!

[@liamkampff1]

Sweden fatigue era brings with it Ireland's Renaissance. 👀

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Oop! We shall see LOL

[@ESCKrish]

The jury gap between Switzerland and France made total sense to me as well. The best thing about Mon Amour was the vocal, and when you have Nero delivering an equally impressive vocal doing all THAT, and Slimane not performing his best at the jury final. This is what you get

[@soulm8here108]

Not really! Slimane is a true artist that touches your soul like a sad movie- you cry, but you watch it over and over again! Emotions matter and he brought it on stage!

[@sandrafinnegan7708]

​@@soulm8here108 I think some folks found the intimacy uncomfortable. As the meme said "shivers in Northern European".

[@Gutemine1234]

Apparently, he had some voice cracks during his performance for the jury.

[@soulm8here108]

@@Gutemine1234 still not last place!

[@Gutemine1234]

@@soulm8here108 i know, where did I say so? It might just be an explanation for the gap?

[@erinnadia0409]

Serbia and Slovenia were my girls this year and I would have been so upset if they didn't get into the final! So glad I voted for them now after seeing they just made it!

[@triadafillos1]

I didn't like any of these two entries. Both were my official loo break

[@nashtags]

The fact Croatia Jury gave Zero point to Switzerland and the Croatian Televote only 1 point when the Swiss Jury gave 8 points and the Swiss Televote gave 10 points to Croatia... It's huge iniquitousness. #SwissKarma It's also quite interesting because I was having a look on French newspapers and they were sure Slimane was winning (ofc) or Croatia. And I read Swiss-french newspapers: one journalist commenting for RTS (Nicolas Tanner) and who has been covering Eurovision for decades (aka an expert per say) said in an interview that the Odds «did not seem "entirely rational" and arouse suspicion» and the fact that Nemo was suddenly 3rd behind Israel after semi-final 2 was weird because he said professionals were NOT having the same thoughts at all and didn't understand the «hype» around the Croatian song that was kind of banal. And it turns out he was right. He also mentioned that a similar situation had already occurred in 2021 with suspicions of betting purchases then hovered over Malta. «They were the top bettors and then finished seventh," he said to RTS and he added: "So those bets didn't turn out to be correct."

[@trao1938]

Staging is everything., but camera angles are also everything. Hiring someone who understands conveying stories through film and theatre is an extreme advantage. It doesn't require a fortune to captivate an audience's imagination for 3 minutes.

[@fm95master]

It's still a song contest though so putting staging over vocals and song is bad in my opinion.

[@meirifrach8937]

I don't think that songs at bottom places are bad songs. Think of it that if every country will send good song, someone should be at the bottom...

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Well yes...

[@walkthewalk3194]

I usually go to WIWI blogs for ESC coverage but this year you really brought it !! #professionalism

[@soulm8here108]

Slimane dead last with the Australian Jury, also UK put him 20th, Portugal-19th… extremely surprising to say at least!

[@DdumbaStyle]

His voice cracked really badly in the jury rehearsal

[@Kian-ww2hi]

not surprised by the uk result, the song is very overly french and doesn’t really appeal to british tastes

[@soulm8here108]

@@DdumbaStyle Still not deserving last place, Estonia and UK had cracked voices throughout the whole performance. Not to mention Spain lol. The voice cracked for 4 seconds for France….

[@kevanmcdougallmph]

Both Germany and Ireland extended their submission deadlines this year. I'd be super curious to see if Doomsday Blue and/or Always On The Run were submitted before or after the deadline.

[@tonyttt31]

That's an interesting question

[@seankeane5899]

doomsday blue was released on bambie’s ep on the 13th of october. the extended eurosong submission closed on the 20th of october. seems likely that the only reason we got bambie this year was because of the extended deadline…

[@Wavy77]

Very good breakdown. Slovenia was the big riser for me in the final week. It jumped from barely top 10 to number 1 in the semi final. Raiven was so good and the song totally came alive in the performance. She is such a great singer and the song really came together in the end..❤

[@triadafillos1]

Slovenia was for me visually, vocally and music wise the worst entry of the final

[@Wavy77]

@@triadafillos1 ok

[@thomasdanforth6515]

SHE'S GOT A NEW VIDEO, SHE"S GOT A NEW VIDEO

[@Blowing_JAM]

Please write something new

[@Blowing_JAM]

Write something new please

[@Andla_2806]

This was a strong year indeed. As a true Eurovision fan, this year I am determined to buy the CD, the DVD and the program book as well (yes, and the runestone too, obviously 😂). and I'll certainly treasure them.

[@gintag7013]

I'm surprised with Lithuania finishing in only 14th place... It deserved better... Jury voting was really confusing

[@triadafillos1]

Yes, Alesia, YES! Galant! I instantly saw the winning pitential of this entry right away! But Germany yearcafter year sleeps on a really good rntry in their national finals

[@stefjov]

If we assume that most Eurovision viewers haven’t seen any of the national selections, then that can not affect how the country will do in terms of results

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Because momentum is built in the fandom- a poor first impression can hurt the overall momentum of a country.

[@henriklarssoneurovisioncha6515]

We got our wake up call back in 2010 with Anna Bergendahl ... And I hope we stay in the finals up coming years ❤

[@AlesiaMichelle]

With love, that woek y'all up.... but now... we might need a lil'tap tap

[@josecalero5005]

Hi Alesia i just want to say that you have a very nice and clear accent. As a non English speaker I want to thank you for this.

[@eddiepr514]

I hate that I couldn’t listen live… you kept spitting facts left and right, Alesia! But I LOLed so hard when you said “2 bops with no vocals” 💀 😂

[@Werderina]

I am happy that vocals still matter.

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Same

[@jeroenmeuleman8110]

About Belgium "not taking notes": keep in mind that it's basically another broadcaster competing in alternating years. VRT (up in '25) won't "learn" anything from Mustii's downfall because it wasn't their representative and not their responsibility, and when it's the RTBF's turn again in '26, Mustii will be a distant memory. Not to say I think this is the right mentality, and how comical it is both broadcasters make very similar mistakes! There have been some specks of light in recent years (e.g. broadcasters actually picking a representative from the other side of the language border) but I'm low-key afraid VRT will roll up with a pre-selection show stuck in the early 2010s and put the onus fully on the chosen artist to make it through.

[@kareneggenschwiler5075]

Congrats Nemo 👍😎❤️🇨🇭🎉🎶

[@AKinCYP]

Alesia, if my country 🇨🇾 ever wins Eurovision, you'd be a great choice as one of the presenters of the show! Are you down? 😊

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Haha! Ofc- but y'all got plenty of talent to lead that show.

[@SheReadsAndSings]

Loved France from the day it came out and loved it more every day after!!!!❤🥰😍

[@dv2483]

do you have thoughts on the winner and second place in semi 2 getting slot 5 and 6 in the final?

[@AlesiaMichelle]

I toughed on this. When folks can vote early in the show it does switch things up a bit with the running order.

[@mo-kk2ie]

speaking from an austrian perspective, I believe we probably would have deserved to stay in the semi as well 💀 ORF should really change their approach to selecting songs. since winning weve sent some of the most basic songs in the competition. and as this year clearly shows: taking risks (and executing them well) pays off!!

[@TheYGIG]

I think Ireland's success this year was down to Bambie's vision and Bambie's vision only. I get the impression that every single epic choice made to elevate the performance began with Bambie and without their clear direction (including the choice of staging team) everything could have went seriously south! RTE think this year's Eurosong was a massive step forward because they put a few superfans in the studio to make some noise and make the whole set up look less tragic 🫣 Yes, ACTUAL fans helped the atmosphere and the sound was far less godawful than last year but we're still a very long way from anything even close to reaching a professional standard. I would LOVE to believe that there will be a step away from the current format next year and that Bambie's success will encourage RTE to diversify a little more and reach for the stars but i'm not hopeful. For the last 30 years Ireland have been followers rather than leaders in this competition and can't seem to come up with something new, fresh and forward thinking. Bambie, i fear, will prove to be a glorious anomaly and RTE will return to spoon feeding us unfiltered vanilla or - worse still - take the very essence of what Bambie brought to this year's Eurosong and annihilate it by trying to somehow emulate the impossible with some off-the-wall Bambie wannabe. THAT would be the very worst thing ever!!! I very very very much hope i'm wrong.......but i guess we'll see 👀 🤷🏻‍♀️🇮🇪

[@maxkrayniy7379]

Some juries giving Ukraine 0 points. And then putting certain ones above it. come on…

[@fm95master]

not everyone liked the song as much and there were stronger songs in the competition to be honest. Besides, others needed points too. The greek entry got almost totally ignored by the juries even the song was good aswell.

[@maxkrayniy7379]

@@fm95master there are specific criteria juries judge on. it’s not just about liking a song or not. well, if we wanna call them “professional jury”. Ukraine was ONE of the best in staging, vocals, message, idea, delivery, execution, song… Not saying it should have won the jury but it definitely is top 10. and seeing some countries give it zero and some certain other ones (i just really don’t wanna name drop lol) points was funny. we all know why this happened. and it’s okay, i get it. let’s just call things what they are. Greece was amazing.

[@Carois78]

Die Jurys bewerten alle Songs 1 -25. Dass dabei einer auf dem 11. Platz landet, heisst im Endeffekt 0 Points.

[@MariaMariamuzieklove]

Belgium has two public broadcasters a Dutch-speaking one and a French-speaking one, year one the Dutch one is in charge, year two the French one they need to cooperate more.

[@tanjanikola9489]

Zero points to the UK doesn't mean nobody voted for them, but they just came 11th or 12th for instance in some of the countries, so missed out on the points, perhaps just!

[@ohlord7043]

Most countries' juries were surprisingly fair and balanced this year. With a few exceptions.

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Agreed.

[@fm95master]

San Marino vocals were totally off in the semi. It seemed as if the singer couldn't hear herself cause she kept singing off most of the time. I liked their staging though. VERY sad Australia didn't qualify cause Electric Fields are awesome and everything was there. What hurt them was the lyrics video, the staging and not promoting enough through the months before the semi. Greece was also a internal selection this time but it was great cause Marina is a awesome artist and a awesome live vocalist. It was really bad she got sick right before the semi with fever and pharyngitis and couldnt recover fast enough to deliver those vocals. It hurt her in the semi (even she qualifed) and it hurt her even more in the finals by the juries and televote. :(

[@tjarkhillu9706]

Don’t you think that the reason behind both Shum and Ulveham bad score is same and rooted in their source material (traditional song in Ukraine and some saga story in Norway) ? Blanking them for that reason ?

[@Sk88p]

Missed this live again..ugh! Malta being last again was not super shocking. They do better with internally selected artists. Period.

[@alexandrenabais6053]

18:34 AYO 😮😂😂😂

[@esc_nl4768]

Cyprus their semi result was kinda shady though, Moldova ranked them 1st in the semi but then 18th in the final, azerbaijan also ranked them first in the semi but then in the final ranked Ukraine and Croatia over Cyprus.

[@georgek8950]

Semis results everytime Kontopolos is involved are weird (look moldvova 2021 for example)

[@alexandrenabais6053]

In semi 2, i would taken out Georgia or Greece for Czechia. Neither did nothing for me. Czechia reminds me of my girl Olivia Rodrigo!!! Austria qualified over Malta cuz song quality is super important. I will always take song quality over vocals. For me Austria was just simply better than Georgia and Malta.

[@ctw8097]

not Norway with the theme park music 💀 ahoy!!

[@AlesiaMichelle]

It's true... :-/

[@Jasna-nf9yh]

Oh girl , stop about France. ..Croatia was second, televote winner, 5 th highest televotes in history ...and his charisma, looks, energy?..come on, give some love for Baby Lasagna

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Did you even watch the video/my content all year. Baby Lasagna was one of my favorite songs this year. PERIOD.

[@MariaMariamuzieklove]

BL did very well, but was very lucky because of Joost his DQ.

[@gilka705]

I love math and i love israel ❤

[@fm95master]

Bambie had the best staging, without it, she wouldn't get as many points as she did to be honest because there were far better and stronger songs in the competition. UK had a nice staging but Olly just had very weak vocals and partially off. To see Norway last and Slovenia, Georgia being THAT low was really sad and dissappointing. Austria shouldn't had got to the semi final in my opinion. The vocals were weak, staging was mediocre and it was more posing then dancing. Would had taken Czechia over Austria for the finals cause the song was better, the vocals were better and the staging was one of the best in the whole competition. I hoped for a top ten position for Greece but the juries just didn't gave the points at all most of the time and the televoting should had been more in my opinion. In Polands case the staging was overkill, they really didn't need the red horse thing at all. The whole running around from spot to spot also hurt Lunas vocals because she was busy literally partially running from left to right while singing, then laying down, going up and so on. The main reason why Croatia had such a high televote was because The Netherlands got DQ. Almost in every chat I was in people said they are gonna vote for crotia instead. So I think that almost all televotes that were for the netherlands, pilled up for croatia helping them become second.

[@ohlord7043]

Ireland's song was not weak, it was polarising and inaccessible to some. Speaking personally, I've been completely fascinated by it from the moment I first heard it back in January, before we had any visuals or knew anything else about Bambie Thug - and I wouldn't rate anything that Ireland has sent to the ESC for decades. 'Doomsday Blue' is interesting from a musical perspective, to say the least.

[@b5bobby]

Even when I disagree with you, you make me want to reassess my thoughts, you are great at the big picture. I still think the EBU needs to have a major shake up. The Netherlands disqualification has damaged the EBU possibly terminally.

[@tonyttt31]

It's awful but at least we don't have to deal with hosting in THAT country in 2025.

[@Maria_muziekjes]

When you DQ the public favorite the final result will forever be questionable

[@doyourmath826]

Mea culpa i said Norway would come top 10 Mea culpa i said Ukraine would win for months and months (3rd is still great) Mea culpa i said ireland didnt have a chance but UK did Mea culpa i said Germany would come bottom 5

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Haha! We have cleansed ourselves.

[@sasat6669]

Yes, people like a strong voice and not the one dumb staging and dancing. But if you spend too much time in the ESC bubble, you lose the feeling for a good song. (Norway, Germany)

[@AlesiaMichelle]

"if you spend too much time in the ESC bubble, you lose the feeling for a good song." I deeply disagree.

[@sasat6669]

@@AlesiaMichelle How old are you and how long have you been watching the ESC? I've been watching the ESC every damn year since 1979. I know the ESC has its own rules, I know it doesn't always have to be the best song that wins. Because the ESC always has something to do with a feeling. This ESC was the worst ESC of all since 1979, yes we had some with boring songs and questionable. Nemo deserved to win because he tells a story and has a great voice. What I don't want are songs like from the UK and Ireland, because songs like that destroy the feeling of the family show. Nobody outside the ESC bubble will ever listen to Ireland because it's not a song, it's a show. In contrast, Zorra, Zorra will go down in ESC history as an iconic song. Unlike many, I don't live in a bubble.

[@hugoschlanger]

My theory is that if Slimane had delivered a better jury performance, he would have taken more points from Switzerland, potentially leading to Croatia being the winner. Agree?

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Possible... but eh: Switzerland was the superior composition of music and the staging more ambitious.

[@user-wv2pp7ni6s]

Eurovision ces personnelle

[@meirifrach8937]

I think that it's problematic to allow voting only after last song is ended because in such case there will be only 20 minutes for voting and people might be stressed, might do mistakes, might complicate with credit card details, etc. On the other hand, I agree that if voting start from the first song, it gives advantage to the first songs

[@gilka705]

Jury were against israel

[@musiceol7]

Perhaps we've all had enough of Eurovision. It's a huge waste of money that most national broadcasters desperately need to keep the lights on. Revenue from TV commercials isn't what it used to be. I don't understand why songs require expensive staging and the massive amount of electricity needed. It makes the experience of watching it exhausting. Is anyone else tired of over staging, too much production, too much lighting, too much noise and politics.

[@BogdanHonciuc]

France was my winner and I kept saying all season long that people were sleeping on “Mon amour”.

[@MM-tz2bs]

I am fine with Switzerland winning, but Switzerland winning after getting fifth with televote is just wrong. Sorry, not sorry. I get that everyone is happy that juries saved us from an Israeli win, but if this happens again next year where juries will decide the winner with a song that will not be a fan favorite, you all will cry.

[@MusicDiLaurentis]

Hello? Switzerland is the whole time fan favorite and he came only 5thbecause of homophobic eastern countries cause of his skirt and not cause of the song. Switzerland was the best song this year without any doubts croatia as a song is not stronger than the code

[@MM-tz2bs]

@@MusicDiLaurentis which countries are those? Switzerland got 2 from Luxembourg, 5 from UK, 5 from San Marino, 5 from Denmark, 4 from Slovenia.. they were not scoring high in the west either. The only 12 came from Ukraine (eastern country), the only 10 came from Azerbaijan (eastern country).. majority of others gave Switzerland 6-8 points.. where are these homphobes. Please dont spread lies.

[@MM-tz2bs]

@@MusicDiLaurentis in face, the only eastern countries which gave Swiss a few points are Albania and Latvia.. but that would hardly count as detrimental to Swiss success. I would be more worried that for the "homophobic" UK, Denmark and Luxembourg. And how bout that homophobic France that gave them 6? Or Portugal, Belgium and Iceland? Rest of the world? Spain and Norway? All very homophobic, handing out the 6s..

[@MusicDiLaurentis]

@@MM-tz2bs bro you are not even able to read a comment! Its my OPINION and many many share that and everyone one said that even after the first rehearsal that Nemo will not get as high televote as he should have because its a fact that many are homophobic and because of the skirt makeup etc wont give him the points he actually deserves and it happened exactly like that. Just watched a german evening show and the host said "and now to eurovison, the lgbtq+ parade" Come back to reality you fans really live in some prallel worlds.

[@EurovisionFaith]

to be fair, let’s get rid of the obvious anomaly of a certain country (which would never get that high with televote if it was a different country), nemo would be 1 point from third, so you could say they were pretty much joint 3rd in this case.

[@gloriamele7595]

Netherlands' disqualification was not right @ All.. That's been a disproportionate penalty 4 Joost Klein 2 pay.. Whatever he may have done !!! his song was simply an amazing 🎵 song.. which fully deserved 2 arrive STRAIGHT 2 the end.. I think 🇳🇱 disqualification helped A LOT 🇨🇭 Victory

[@stefanogortaldi3156]

The jury should stick to awarding musical talent - I don't think it's fair for Croatia to get so many jury points compared to eg. Norway - on what basis? The jury vote should be explained - on musical terms alone about 300 times more points of difference between these 2 acts doesn't make sense.

[@sval5464]

I just read that BL got 63% votes of all casted public votes at Grand final. That is huge and now it hurts more

[@MariaMariamuzieklove]

Be honest, because the Netherlands got DQ’ed

[@sval5464]

@@MariaMariamuzieklove To be honest, sadly if all that didnt happen to Netherland he would not be as popular at talked about as it is now.

[@ValS1111]

Michele, are you aware why/how xy country was second in the televote. Why are you repeating few times difference of 14 points , ignoring the backround of their points as it from real fans. One commentator said it all: from You I get vibe “Croatia, sit down and shut up” attitude and “, and also "you would get even less if Joost participated so sit down and shut up” attitude. Sotty but "what if"argument is very low from you as if Nemo maybe didnt get a big chunk of these votes.The right thing to say is how the tabel will be very different if yx country didnt have "good 1.5 milion Euros promotion and manipulation of eurovision app voting" and ruined the actual results,

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Either you're purposely misrepresenting what I said or there is a language barrier "thing". I am repeating the difference between 1st and 2nd place in the televote because it is so tight. 14 points is TIGHT. PERIOD. I am also noting the difference because the 2nd place in the televote i.e. Israel winning would have upset many fans. So the folks advocating for a televote winner ina. year where the televote was so tight and the 2nd place would have made folks upset is a choice. This has literally NOTHING to do with Joost. I'm happy Croatia won the televote. I would have loved to see Croatia win- that's a fact.

[@AlesiaMichelle]

Stop commenting as if I wouldn't have wanted to see Croatia win when CLEARLY that's not the case...

[@ValS1111]

@@AlesiaMichelle In your video you willingly or not sounded that you want to reduce the value of Croatian 1 place in public vote and the emphasis was not why/how xy is so High (second place) like that was business as usual. You barely explain anything about it, if yes then in gloves and carefully. You should talk non only about xy deletion behavior and the harassment that voting is a great part of xy Eurovision harassment/rigging campaign. Slovenians tv asked Ebu for some answers especial for app votes that were never there before .

[@abdostarac1]

Olly alexander is my favorite this year 🎉❤🇬🇧

[@stefanogortaldi3156]

We forgive you because you are american...but the real reason why Ukraine got more than 300 points is geopolitics (the Russia/Ukraine war) the votes arrived from the millions of Ukrains spread all over Europe. It doesn't matter where you put Ukraine in the running order...(nor much the quality of the song) they were guarantee to do well a priori. Same with Israel - on musical terms alone it shouldn't be so high (a good song and performance but lacking any hump to be up there) - that's another political achievement at the expenses of Italy who was exposed to the public for being pro Israeli...and I don't think that vote leak was accidental.

[@JaNeZoKu]

Why are we emphasizing that Croatia got only 14 pts more than Isreal in the televote? Israel didn't win Eurovision. Switzerland won by coming 5th in the televote with more than 100 pts deficit to the overall runner up. That's the real issue. The overall winner wasn't even close to winning the televote. Fans have every right to be upset with the juries (or more precisely the scoring system) who now for two years in a row basically disqualified all the other songs from winning by handing an insane pts lead to one country. Disappointing for fans. ESC is here for the fans and public, not for a handful of "experts".

[@shakiraisalbanian]

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