EV buses are (still) a COMPLETE DISASTER | MGUY Australia

[@MegaSelby]

They had Trolley Buses when I was a kid. They should have kept them. The politicians got rid of them! I’m 71 years old, I am sick of this circus of going around and back again and politicians telling us this is good for us.

[@j_sum1]

You know that adage about busses... There are none for ages and then three arrive at once. Trolley busses have the problem that they cannot overtake one another. So, if one stops at a bus-stop, the others queue behind. A bit like a charging station really.

[@carlmorgan8452]

Worked well for decades. Good old days 😊

[@tipofthespear7182]

Electric Trolley buses and trams I remember in the 50s and 60's that worked perfectly well then some smart Alec decided they weren't the future. You just have to be patient. Everything old will become new again.

[@kenhickford6581]

I well remember the Trolley Busses and their almost silent (Apart from a 'Whine' when they accelerated) movement!.....I also remember 'Trams' too, with their open air top decks and wooden seats!

[@my3dviews]

Yup. Edmonton, where I live had as many as 137 trolley busses, (which mainly operated in the city centre) and had 47 up until 2009, when they got rid of them. Then in 2018 the city bought a fleet of 60 electric buses for $1.2 million each. The bus manufacturing company has since filed for bankruptcy and 3/4 of the buses don't work. As mentioned in this video Saint Albert, which is just north of Edmonton also bought electric buses. Now we are all stuck with higher taxes to pay off the debacle of these defective buses. Rather than buying a couple of buses to try out for a few years they go all in on this insanity. Edmonton is expanding the LRT (light rail transit) to more locations, so maybe less busses will be needed. At least the LRT doesn't require batteries and charging.

[@JonasC22]

The most infuriating part is the EV maniacs will pretend like no one could have seen this coming, when in fact LOTS of people saw it coming. They will go to any lengths to prevent admitting certain people are right to be skeptical of EVs.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Hundreds of thousands of electric buses are giving reliable service in the world's cities now, saving millions in diesel fuel and maintenance for their operators...Did anyone bother to check the trend in bus sales over the past 5 years of so? He fails to mention the huge damage to health caused by diesel vehicles in our towns and cities, the cause of bad health and premature death of millions.

[@masksarelies391]

​​@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270you DO realise that the vast fleets of trolley buses are included in your statistics? Wellington NZ actually removed their efficient trolley fleet so as to introduce failed ev buses. That is how deranged it has gotten. And, elsewhere your deaths from diesel has been addressed as ridiculous whataboutism.

[@roysimpson9711]

Which planet are you from Its as if Electric buses run for free Also another reason to blame diesel for deaths which occur every day from other reasons . . I would suggest you make your living from electric vehicles . However they are not the future or ever wil be @@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270

[@Kededian]

​@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270lol you are so dumb and brainwashed....

[@Paulie44]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270unfortunately I’ve not seen the hundreds of thousands of electric buses in two major cities in the UK (Manchester and London), although I have seen a handful of them. Most buses here in the UK are either gas or diesel powered. Are you able to cite a reference and exact figure for your statement ‘the cause of bad health and premature death of millions’. Personally I have witnessed ICE vehicles becoming cleaner and less polluting over the years, and I’m not convinced by the electric vehicle ‘revolution’ because all the damage and pollution happens at source and again when batteries are returned for decommissioning in third world countries (where I originate from). This is what really bugs me, people in first world countries claiming how environmentally friendly and ‘clean’ they and their cities are while the rest of the world has to suffer from their thoughtless consumerism. I’m an engineer, I drive a Volvo diesel because it works for my situation and I believe that long term it will be less damaging to the environment over its 300,000 mile life span than any other vehicle (electric or otherwise).

[@johnbauby6612]

It would be nice to see the manufacturers of these vehicles taken to court and held accountable for their failure as well as the idiots who made the decision to buy them. Seems no one is ever held accountable. Lose millions on poor decisions and it's "oh well".

[@richardhall6034]

The problem is that the majority of ev companies are Chinese so that's a non starter

[@peterr6739]

@@richardhall6034 China is a world leader in EV technology and manufacturing.

[@wazza33racer]

privatize the profits and socialize the losses..........its the Wall Street / WEF business model. Also known as ..........thieving.

[@Dat_Sun]

Elon designed a truck, that carries a battery in it's payload bed. It's called the Cybertruck.

[@markmiller8903]

EV buyers need to pay $10k reparations to the people of the Congo.

[@anth5189]

As someone who loves technology and has been involved with it for my entire life. It both saddens me and annoys me to see it used by greed driven fools with their own agendas. Not to mention all the gullible idiots who fall for all this BS. I have always believed that technology should only be a tool to assist not replace. Technology is fragile and can't be relied on for important tasks. Nothing is perfect. There will always be faults and breakdowns. There will always be bugs in software. Hackers will always find a way to get into systems. Not to mention a CME could take out power systems and communication systems. Like the 200 Sky link satellites that were fried. Getting rid of cash, self drive cars, sticking everything on an f-ing smart phone. All very stupid ideas that are to benefit a certain few, not society as a whole.

[@cardboardboxification]

if they just would have a efficient diesel generator on the electric buss their would be no problem .. but they are living in a delusional fantasy ,

[@andersonomo597]

People quickly move to improved methods without having to be bullied - fax machines, Walkmans, 8 track tapes vs VHS and then CDs - all now obsolete because better solutions were developed and users could see the benefits. EV's are right up there with frontal lobotomies - a 'solution' that only benefits those who push the idea to make money..

[@110markb]

I’m amazed that no one evens bothers to test anything anymore before spending crazy amounts of other people’s money.

[@jean-micheldupont1150]

Worse than that, they are not only designed for profit, they are tools of coersion and control

[@chaosflower4892]

Hence why Elon is likely controlled opposition.. or at the very least dishonest. I mean he even installed a WEF member as his CEO for x. He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy.

[@mikyl-fo8rh]

It's frightening to learn that the buses are parked inside garages.

[@Not-nice]

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[@spudflap]

Absolutely. Apparently there has been a proposal to build an electric bus garage in North London, BENEATH a block of flats...

[@phils4634]

@@spudflap A novel way of providing the occupants with a "brief but fearsome" under-floor heating experience? 😀

[@COMBAT4TRUTH]

Right?!

[@davidclemens1578]

I am embarrassed to say I live in minnesota. They just spent billions of dollars on light rail through the twin cities and the passenger rider numbers never achieved the minimum estimates. Now the electric buses.What next, flying cars? They want to shut down our local coal plant in a few years. This after they spent millions in the early 2000s putting in coal scrubbers to meet the EPA regulations. Again EPA moves the goal posts. I talked to an employee that worked there shortly after they did this and he says all that comes out of the stack now is water vapor. This is the state that voted for Mondale against Reagan in 1984. Now they're debating the legalization of recreational pot and its benefits. The state is also debating on a new design for the state flag. I think one of the final choices is a picture of a loon that looks like it was drawn by a fifth grader. The loon is appropriate. I thought the old one was sufficient but apparently the race baiters think it should go the way of the Confederate statues. I can't remember their exact reasoning for wanting to change it. I wish they would be as concerned with trying to keep property taxes and vehicle registrations affordable. Another way would be to try to keep corporate taxes lower to prevent businesses from leaving the state like they are. Remember George Floyd came to the state because of all the great benefits. Did I mention this state is an embarrassment?

[@carlmorgan8452]

Great comment 👍

[@hazcat640]

Your new flag has already been approved. It looks much like the one from Somalia. Coincidence? I think not. You now live in a state run by third world invaders.

[@Crosshair84]

Don't forget the MN government raising cigarette taxes to $3.67 a pack while being right next door to ND with a state tax of $0.44.

[@mostlyguesses8385]

Back from TX I rode the light rail in St Paul. And it was full of pot smoke and had poop on the floor. So it's unusable for most.... Sadly Americans can't run a transit system, just a fact.... Even in France or Italy per statista com over 70% of workers drive to work. Us people so love cars and know transit wastes extra hour a day ... I use to bus it from West St Paul to U of MN..... Last, MN and Canadian prairie states are Moscow like temps, whereas Paris and Amsterdam have only 1 month of any below zero temps, so wow transit will never get above 10% in MN.... plus Minnesota is suburban w big lawns, Houston in comparison they were poor so jammed in houses with no yards, so MN is stuck w cars..... Facts matter ... MN will never be green, literally it's a dumb place to live now we don't need many people to farm, so yes move to Dallas that's less hellish..... Swimming in Superior did toughen me but never enjoyable... but people are in denial about why they are miserable... I live on sailboat in Galveston, it's white trash heaven I'm too poor for FL ...

[@ronw59]

@@Crosshair84 Wow, with brain power like that, they should be in Washington!

[@Twmpa]

EVs, a prohibitively expensive and wholly impractical solution to a non-existent problem.

[@axeman2638]

Sad how so many people who are skeptical about EVs still believe cow farts control the weather.

[@jaysdood]

I disagree that there isn't a problem. I don't believe any of the so called evidence that Carbon is the boogeyman, but we do as a species pollute our environment far more than is sensible.

[@skipintroux4444]

Well, that’s only if you don’t understand that financial independence of a middle class is a problem for those that seek to rule the world as their slaves.

[@seanworkman431]

@@skipintroux4444 What?

[@nunchuckfilms]

​@seanworkman431 you will eat the bug, live in the pod, own nothing and be happy un your 15 minute city b I t only if you have a good social credit score

[@tonybloomfield5635]

Suggesting using gas, as MGUY did, makes enormous sense. The reason the USA is one of the few countries meeting its Paris/Kyoto, or whichever ones they are, targets is they closed down heaps of coal and inserted gas rather than renewables. While aiming for 100% renewables eventually might be ok, the world has gone mad with its renewables or nothing approach. Chris Bowen is excelling at getting it totally wrong. Not being open to nuclear is just insane and supporting EV subsidies (as did the LNP) while our grid is not yet ready for massive amounts of renewables is madness. We have abundant gas reserves and should have (and still should) build gas fired stations on coal fired sites where the grid is already able to what is needed. Did I mention the world has gone mad?

[@lynneades4632]

Bowen is the biggest clown in the Circus!

[@dslight113]

gas is an even less available non renewable resource . in the usa there is only a 90 year reserve . if more people start driving gas cars it will be gone even faster .

[@cortholiopezorama8879]

“gas is an even less available non renewable resource” It is a renewable resource. We can make it in an anaerobic biodigester using biological materials.

[@dslight113]

@@cortholiopezorama8879 i get that by decomposing organic material you can get nat gas , but the question is , is there enough 2 go around with what we would be able 2 produce. Let alone enough organic material 2 sustain entire country's?

[@markrice41]

The world has always been mad. I consider the EV craze to be just that, a craze, like Tay-Tays, or Beatlemania. Or the mask mandate. Requirements based on supposed facts that no one has the time or funding to research.

[@AndrewSarchus-f2s]

I like E-bus analyses because the bus lies at the extreme end of heavy useage. It perfectly highlights how EV technology diverges and ultimately falls way short of what is currently available from diesel tech. Moreover it clearly demonstrates how totally un-green EV's actually are.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

exactly! i dont know why they want to force us for EVs and even give tax reductions..... those EVs are totally useless and doesnt even contribute to the infrastructure they are relying on! ICE and oil does literaly everything but still get trash talked about! even musk rocket are ICE and oil burners too.

[@BrianBellia]

And, of course, the companies which made these utter duds would've also been the recipient oodles of government (i.e., taxpayer's) dollars in subsidies. What a joke! Other people's money, indeed!

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

A premature battery replacement is probably a six figure bill and probably ruins every environmental advantage an EV bus might have.

[@EmilePesky-n1v]

Just more Ponzi scheme level of international fiscal policy. Most developed countries have out of control cost of living, cost of housing and their health systems are getting worse... But there's always money for experimental ev technology

[@prtauvers]

It’s is shocking how long ago these problems were apparent and serious yet here we are still seeking EV Nirvana.

[@shealdedmon7027]

Who's we? Don't include me in the fantasy. The pronoun I believe you meant to use is they.

[@shadowdancer5x5]

If we Dive into the Elevator to Hell that is net zero, we'll find it's Dumb and that We Don't Want it All. We'll find that the net zero promise is nothing but a Heartbreaker, where we'll be shouting Help me I'm Hungry because there's no Jam at all, nevermind Jam After Dinner. You have to act with the conviction that You know You're Right, because if you don't, you'll approach Old Age saying "Oh, The Guilt" of not acting. When they demand we drive cars powered by Lithium, we have to have More Than a Feeling, we have to awaken the spirit deep inside, the burns like a Lake of Fire, the one that Smells Like Teen Spirit. Say to the ones that would force us, " If You Must, then Come As You Are, we are prepared to go Onward Into Countless Battles".

[@mercoid]

We can’t chase nirvana. It isn’t there. Only fools chase after it. I have no problem with the basic concept of EV. But clearly the technology hasn’t been fully developed to the point where it can be put to practical, widespread use. This corporate and governmental push for EV is a money and social control grab of our liberty. Deaths, human rights abuses and damage to the environment, far greater than emissions from efficient ICE engines, are being denied and downplayed as minor growing pains.

[@prtauvers]

@@shealdedmon7027 - of course I meant the Royal, rhetorical We, not you!

[@shealdedmon7027]

@@prtauvers I figured as much. That was my attempt at humor. Lol

[@offgrid7837]

I have a friend with a 1961 Routemaster bus on it's original engine that still runs perfectly. Diesels are the best engine you can have in the real world.

[@chrissyuy]

Which is precisely why they don’t want us having them. Cars that are made to last means no disposable vehicles that need replaced every few years. This means fewer purchases being made!

[@thatgrip]

Net zero drones are complete idiots. But as the ones I spoke to say, "if we didn't do this now, we would never figure things out until EVs are the answer". This is what passes for intelligence in a society that values what I WANT more than what CAN BE.

[@partymanau]

Double mask 4 clot shotters I think.

[@ronw59]

@@partymanau Counting endless boosters, that's 4 shots per year, for ever.

[@erickearnes9644]

Can't fix Stupid 😈😵😵‍💫

[@anomadhunter]

The world has gone mad. It's a runaway train that will bankrupt everyone

[@glensubtorq]

It is really looking like a real life Simpsons episode now 🤣

[@cardboardboxification]

and taxpayers are getting the bill for their fantasy

[@masksarelies391]

Buy my monorail

[@gabehill9817]

I'm a mechanic at a transit agency in the states. We get the full temperature spectrum from 100+ F down to 0F and the electric busses really don't run great for 2/3 of the year here. We even have electric trains and they absolutely despise the winter. The trains are overhead line powered but even with that there are still all sorts of issues in winter.

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

Even diesel locomotives are essentially electric. No problems.

[@JrGoonior]

Sounds like you’re in Chicago.

[@JoyPeace-ej2uv]

Thanks didn't know any were still in use explains why the ones I knew about were disposed of.

[@bikingcat3283]

Are the issues from a limit on how power the pantograph can handle? Seems like Europe has cold weather and electric trains worked out.

[@F_Tim1961]

@@MikeJones-mz5ig That's simplistic. There's a diesel driving a generator, normally three phase that then drives an electric motor with no outside commutation involved. It works because it's a sealed controlled system. As soon as you get say overhead lines involved and icing weather then you are going to have issues.

[@Disgracefoold]

Nothing is more firmly shut than a closed mind…

[@and_k5877]

Exactly - EV devotees exhibit all the traits of a typical fundamentalist religious cult.

[@tombradshaw5164]

Indeed!

[@carlmorgan8452]

All wisdom and knowledge is found in Christ

[@reezdog]

Trolley Buses are awesome, though. They are directly connected to the power grid.

[@shaynegadsden]

Which is perfect since the problems with EVs is just the batteries

[@kokehri]

EV cars should also have a connection to overhead electricity lines so there would be no need to have a battery. Such EV cars wou,d be used in urban areas where there would be electricity lines for the most popular routes. The rest of the way the EV users would walk or use public transport,

[@PancakePutin]

@@kokehri I wish more people would understand that simply electrifying all freight and passenger rail networks would have 0 downsides and would be a permeant solution for a major source of pollutants. Also, adding overhead electricity lines to interstates for freight trucks to connect to (similar to trolley busses) would solve almost all of our worries about vehicle pollutants. I love it how the commercial sector is completely ignored for no reason.

[@davelowe1977]

​@@PancakePutinThe downsides are a) only travel where there are wires and b) fitting the wires would cost about a trillion dollars and c) they would need maintenance and d) cables will blow down and kill people and e) we'd need about 100x more power plants.

[@graantmnz]

@@PancakePutin overhead power lines for trucks is a stupid idea....vehicles can not pass with o/h lines...hence any form of hold up just means traffic jams

[@BoxiesAU]

We have electric buses coming to Tasmania under our “Metro” branding…. It’s going to be a joke, the company mechanics haven’t been trained fully on how to maintain them, we have a cold climate and they already lose money. It will be a disaster.

[@SylvesterJcat]

OOH,i hope its a shiteshow.

[@bunion8579]

I drive them here in Brisbane where it's warm most of the year. They're still fairly new and nice enough to drive but their range is still crap compared to our diesel fleet. These things cost about $1M bucks each and then you've got the cost of the extensive charging infrastructure that was installed at the depot. All on the taxpayer's dime. Amazing how generous these virtue signalling 'planet saving' politicians and bureaucrats can be with other people's money.

[@landoremick7422]

Bought Chinese crap! What were they thinking. We are governed by people who do not have the economic and basic technical knowledge to run a small hotel let alone local government

[@my3dviews]

The California based Proterra filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Edmonton bought buses from them and 3/4 of the buses are now out of service for various reasons. So, it's not just a China thing.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

it is not chinese crap they did not tested thise vehicles properly before even acquiring them! there is a reason why we need more intelligent people! BUS gets very hard life in their lifetime!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

in Norway in Trondheim for example they have long articulated bus which are hybrid with cummins biodiesel engines and electric axles, the biodiesel is made from city around. this should be more common.

[@richardsmith579]

BYD seems to have joined the space race since their vehicles are shooting metres into the year, with lots of flames. Very exciting.

[@carlmorgan8452]

Buffet has pulled back his interest in BYD

[@xraylife]

Yep just saw that one - the BYD car that exploded upwards some 4-5m in the air while charging.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

*air

[@mickjoebills]

@@xraylife that was an over the top movie stunt!

[@xraylife]

@@mickjoebills Is that what you are going to call all EV infernos from now on.. "movie stunts" LoL

[@shaunryan6]

I live in Jersey Channel Islands. We trialled a double decker EV bus on a busy hilly route. It could not complete its routes because the battery went flat. Introduced with gret fanfare and withdrawn without comment. During summer our post office van drivers are instructed not to turn on their air conditioning as if they do they cannot complete ther routes. The Island is 9 miles by five.

[@HenryParkes-kp1yc]

Well that explains it - the island is waaay too big for current battery technology....

[@spizzenergi2292]

I take my hat off to you….how you kept a straight face reading that, is quite an accomplishment.

[@northernvoice7288]

On another entirely different note I've just seen a story where a guy hit a brick in his Tesla on the M25 (UK) it buckled the wheel totally and was stuck as Tesla's have no spare, The AA guy said he could not tow the vehicle as it was a dual motor (single motor would of be fine apparently) Then the AA guy told him you have to be careful when you jack these up as there have been cases of the chassis cracking if not jacked up correctly he then had to wait a further hour to be towed on top of that the replacement wheel was £725 + VAT without tyre,

[@fredzag2452]

It's a shock to know this happened from just hitting a brick. Seems like technology goes so far and then just goes bad. Great to hear this story, thanks. Didn't know a two motor car can't be towed.

[@Cypher791]

Here in Glasgow for example, there are around 400 buses parked tightly together in the depot overnight, an ever increasing number of them are electric and if one of those batteries catch fire and explode the whole fleet will go with it. 🙁🚌

[@charlestoast4051]

It’s just a matter of time and battery degradation….

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

Except they haven't.

[@phils4634]

@@MikeJones-mz5ig Yet. The demands on Battery-Electric commercial vehicles are very significant, especially the start-up current demand faced by buses, with their by-definition very high frequency stop - start requirements. It will be interesting to see how battery packs age under such fairly arduous use conditions.

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

@@phils4634 the enemy of ice cars and Bevs alike is sitting.

[@derekcable]

A friend drives both diesel and EV buses in London he has experienced having to return to the garage 2/3 though his shift to charge up the bus. My nephew who makes food deliveries in Canary wharf has had likewise during the winter with a Mercedes sprinter EV.

[@orionbetelgeuse1937]

But didn't they said that electrical vehicles need less service than ICE ones because they have less components?

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

That is true and that is one of the reasons why electric bus sales have been rising, steadily displacing diesels. Contrary to the fake news on this channel EV buses are a huge success, saving millions in fuel and servicing costs for operators. Diesel vehicles are the main source of poor health and premature death in towns and cities around the world. He also wrongly reported that EV buses were a big failure in Oslo, Norway. Again this was fake news as the problem the operator had was with the charging system, not the buses. This has now been fixed and Oslo, along with many other cities are increasing their use of electric buses. We need to drive diesel fuel use off the road ASAP

[@masteryoda498]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Stop trolling.

[@fredfarquar8301]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270Why? Why should we get rid of diesel vehicles? Modern diesel engines are very clean running. The CO2 they produce is plant food, and does not affect the climate in the least (this IS the science, as opposed to the climate alarmist fraud, which is nothing but lies). And yes, I can prove it, but only to those people who actually believe and listen to facts instead of hysteria!

[@masksarelies391]

​@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270stop repeating your misinformation.

[@MrChaza001]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 What an absolute lot of rubbish. You have no idea of what you’re talking about.

[@freddieqmercury5961]

Thankyou for your concise and common sense explanations, of these absolutely ridiculous EV scams.

[@michaelking7499]

Pro - Terra Bus 🚌 Should be renamed Pro-Terrifying Bus 🔥 🚌 🔥 😂😅

[@johnfletcher1036]

In England, Nottingham city buses reduced the pollution levels in the town by replacing the diesel buses with compressed natural gas ones. This prevented having to introduce clean air regulations.

[@Equiluxe1]

I remember riding on electric busses in London in the late 1950's as a young child, no idea if they broke down on a regular basis but the busses were more than 18 years old and had no batteries as such they drew power from overhead lines.

[@peoplez129]

You can't do overhead lines these days. Especially with inflation causing metals to soar in price. But you also can't do it because you can't put it high enough, we've got too many other large vehicles that need the roads, from cement mixing trucks, to freight semi's, and more. Most utility lines have been moved underground as common practice these days.

[@Equiluxe1]

@@peoplez129 Trolley busses as they were called were double decker and power connection was made with a panto graph type connection for both positive and negative, they ran on DC, height was no problem as the lines were well above that of all the tall vehicles, the tallest being the double decker busses in most cases. Trains are electrified with overhead connections but use single phase AC with rail return, so cable cost is of no real concern. The swiss at one time had busses that ran on a big flywheel that got boosted every stop, and they managed to go up mountains so something along those lines should work in most cities.

[@DaleSims-y2o]

Albuquerque, New Mexico had had similar results with electric busses causing the returning of busses because they were unable to fulfill specifications provided by manufacturer.

[@michaeltotten7508]

Yeah, one of my Jersey girlfriends moved to Albuquerque, which I found out later is a Democratic Party hub, sandwiched between some good Republican areas like Arizona and West Texas. Anyway, because of it's liberal Democratic Party influence, it has put the reins and restrictions on law enforcement, resulting in the highest violent crime rate, of any continental U.S. city, west of the Mississippi. And, as a bonus, it has almost a million people, on a high (almost desert) plateau, at least 5000 feet above sea level (like Denver, and near it, by the way--that other Democratic Party mess, in the area!), with all of their associated machines, chewing up what little oxygen there is, way up there, in that thin air. There are no forests up there, in that area, plenty of drought (water shortage) and dry, dusty air. So my ex, who got covid a year ago, is currently still living on oxygen, in her trailer, in that Western mess of a city, filled with violent Latino gangs. But, she wanted liberalism, and voted for Biden (unlike me, who voted for Trump, TWICE!)...so she GOT IT...and moved to the worst place, in the entire West, as a result!

[@bobmester3475]

I grew up in Dayton Ohio in the 1950’s and 60’s. We had electric buses that were attached to an overhead electric grid. It was simple and effective. I rode them for years. Let’s go back to the future if you want electric..

[@erickearnes9644]

If it is simple,then that would be COMMON SENSE 🤔😉. People don't have any COMMON SENSE. When GOD WAS HANDING OUT BRAINS, PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY SAID TRAINS AND THEY DID NOT WANT ANY. 🚂🚄🚅

[@kevinpohlner2840]

I'm enjoying every part of the EV disaster. In Howard County Maryland, the geniuses who run the county have tried something similar with school buses. It ultimately caused chaos to the point that children couldn't get to school.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

What a truly brilliant way to educate the kids to the realities of EV. Hopefully they'll never buy one!

[@kevinpohlner2840]

@grahamhobbs5162 didn't even think of that. Simply brilliant!

[@davidevans7643]

I'm a bus driver in nottingham England. The company I work for have ev busses on order 😂😂😂😂 a disaster waiting to happen

[@onlybugwit]

It's not about the electric buses, it's about the grant money, nobody cares if they work or not, while the cash is there for the taking, it will carry on 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@davidwharton841]

If they were any good all the emergency services would use them. They don't!

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

EVs are on almost every police force in the World

[@davidwharton841]

@@MikeJones-mz5ig maybe for the donut run but would anyone risk a fire engine or ambulances.

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

@@davidwharton841 well yeah. EV ambulances all over the World. We run hybrid fire engines in Oz. I mean. Why the hate. The perfect combo here is an EV and an ice. Why wouldn't you love both.

[@hobo1704]

​@@MikeJones-mz5ig🤣

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@MikeJones-mz5ig EV ambulances? In what countries in your "all over the world"?

[@HamRadio200]

I've watched a friend do videos at various chargers. It is amazing the amount of failures or slow charges he gets at many car chargers.

[@eldontyrellcorp]

One of the national transport companies here in Belgium ordered 92 chinese electric busses ! Good luck to them !

[@tom1949213]

They must be planning on operating two EB and use the remaining 90 EB for spare parts.

[@eldontyrellcorp]

@@tom1949213 And from what I understood, they will buy 400 in total!

[@CosmicSeeker69]

What could go wrong??!!!!!!

[@daddybob6096]

Today i watched a YT video of US Navy F22 Raptors exercising off a USN Carrier. I was impressed at the power of these jet fuelled aircraft. I fail to see how these aircraft plus the Heavy Fuel Oil powered, or nuclear powered carrier can be replaced with electric powered replacements.

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

And where in all of history has anyone ever suggested that.

[@TheZodiacz]

@@MikeJones-mz5ig Obviously you just don't have enough faith in battery power you fossil fuel flamingo!

[@gamlemann53]

In Oslo there is -20 dg C, and most of our electric buses are parked everywhere in the city and blocking the other trafic around....Crazy! 😞

[@rabbitss11]

What happens to old or failed batteries for these vehicles like buses?

[@AdventureDriver]

Between 20 and 15 years ago, in my hometown (not anymore) of Dordrecht, Netherlands various fuel types for city busses were tested besides diesel; LPG converted diesel engines, hydrogen and electric with rapid exchangeable battery packs. It all failed miserable, quite miserable and costing a fortune. Not withstanding the lessons (not) learned starting 5 years ago they started using EV busses and failing again, but nobody is allowed to talk about it.

[@stevenryle5709]

In my 73 years I've never been among the first at buying any new technology. I always wait and watch and see how the new product works out. Invariably the price comes down, the bugs get worked out of the product or the product fails to deliver on its promise and fades away. Either way I save money. I am thinking about maybe buying stock in companies that salvage and process spent batteries and scrapped EV's. It's going to be a growth industry for awhile.

[@carlowingfield7743]

If the buses did not have to leave the depot to pick up passengers then they would not have so many failures .

[@fredzag2452]

That's shocking to know, thanks for that comment.

[@craigaustin4779]

The story of Mrs Benz and her electric car is the true story of EVs. Mr Benz invented the modern ICE automobile to solve the problems of EVs, the problems in the 1880's were range, recharge time and weight. In those days there were few battery fires because lithium was a long way off. They served as nice transition vehicles between the external combustion engines and the internal combustion engines vehicles. She was a real firecracker, she went on a cross country ICE automobile promotional tour, enthralled with her new found mobility freedom.

[@craigaustin4779]

@@mechanic2121 Let's face it her car was a prototype, problems are standard. My point is they are not new technology, they are ancient like wind turbines and Photovoltaic solar. People have made choices about EV'S for 150 years, now to succeed they need to ban the competition.

[@craigaustin4779]

@@mechanic2121 Carl's biggest concern was range, He wanted his bride home not sleeping at her sisters while her buggy charged. A love story.

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

On a 25 km route in my home town EV busses taken in use in September were replaced with ICE ones. Range anxiety.

[@WaverleyHilton]

Have you seen the midnight charge que in california?

[@DeeDee-pw9pm]

Electric buses have been around a long time, also known as Trolley Buses. But investment schemers, politicians, lobbyists and other crony capitalists decided they needed to be worse.

[@rizon72]

70-75 miles? I live close to Houston and the buses wouldn't make a complete round trip from here to downtown and back, about 30-35 miles. And even if they got 150, it would be stretching it for that second trip.

[@althunder4269]

EV car sales are dropping like a rock.

[@Treshar]

And the used marked for EVs is falling into a black hole also.

[@cardboardboxification]

so is a used one , only a fool buys used batteries , even for a drill motor

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

Really. We've just sold 100 thousand in Oz. What planet are you on.

[@masksarelies391]

​@@MikeJones-mz5igwithout subsidies and free charging, the sales figures would be zero.

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

@@masksarelies391 you mean for oil and gas cars. Yes.

[@starpawsy]

90 days for a genuine BYD part appears to be about par for the course.

[@MrChaza001]

I would have thought that was amazingly quick for a Chinese company. I have dealt with the Chinese over crane parts and it was a nightmare. Parts books are meaningless. You have to photograph the parts required and hope that they can recreate the actual parts. In other words, no spare parts are kept. They have to be manufactured when required. One crane we overhauled, we ordered US$40,000 worth of parts. When they arrived 4/5 of them were wrong and didn’t fit. We told the agent that he must have sent us the wrong parts book (electronic book) but he said “no, right book but the last reprint maybe not so good”! Un( effin)believable!

[@starpawsy]

@@MrChaza001 So you're saying that the spare parts situation with buses is going to be more like your experience with cranes rather than with the mass experience with cars? So likely to be even worse? Wow

[@carlmorgan8452]

Metal machine shops used to be answer to most any problems. Good old days

[@yvestrembleau2396]

I see an electric bike and scooter repair shop went up in flames in the Sydney suburb of Croydon went up in flames on Thursday 4th of January 2024. NSW Fire Rescue have not said what the cause was but did say lithium battery fires are extremely dangerous. It took 60 firefighters in 15 fire trucks to put out the blaze in what could not have been anything bigger than a normal shop, nothing huge like a car or bus factory

[@papalegba6796]

I know 3 bike repair guys in the city I live who tinker with old ebike & scooter batteries, none have any qualifications. So this kind of fire will be happening a lot in future.

[@litvinenkoalexander5331]

Our politicians must be held accountable for poor decisions. If they are actively pushing their population to make obviously wrong and incorrect and risky decisions, then they must bear responsibility for this

[@CosmicSeeker69]

How? The judges get feed from the same gravy train as the politicians. Been that way for virtually ever.

[@michaeltotten7508]

​@@CosmicSeeker69Yeah, total corruption, is the name of the game, with EV's--and the dordlehead Democratic Party politicians who keep pushing this climate crisis scam, on us!!!

[@Michael-lg4wz]

Being back trolley buses. Wellington New Zealand pulled all the overhead wiring a few years back.

[@ajyyoung3263]

I’ll be mourning the degradation of my son’s mental health … he truly has mental illness due to climate anxiety. On medications. It threatens his marriage and he won’t have more children. It’s a disaster. The regret he’ll experience someday… and none of these stories have an impact other than to make him more anxious. It’s so sad.

[@Not-nice]

read every thing he can by Dr Patrick Moore the founder of Greenpeace ! He will assure him we are not in a climate catastrophe! In fact we maybe pushing for too much carbon reduction ! This planet has billions of years life left!😅

[@michaeltotten7508]

Why don't you tell him the TRUTH? That the Earth would be better off with MORE CO2 in the atmosphere, not LESS; and better off with warmer climate, not colder; there was vibrant, prolific life on Earth in the past, when there was TEN TIMES as much CO2 in the atmosphere, as there is now...

[@cheltboy]

A few years ago, I proudly declared that my next car would be an EV. Last year I bought a diesel powered SUV with the intention of doing medium and long range trips.

[@pnachtwey]

When I was young there were electric buses or trolleys that got their power from electric wires overhead.

[@johnandersonjjr]

I’m surprised these stories got out.I’ll bet in most cases woke city councils etc are burying such issues.Of course we know who gets the bill in the end .The taxpayers.

[@clivehaynes2183]

We have electric double decker buses in London and can you imagine being on the top deck during a thermal runaway!

[@brucekastel707]

I cringe every time I hear the terms "Net Zero and Zero Emissions" because the Greenies do not look at the cradle to grave environmental impact of EVs. In addition to the environmental impact of battery production and disposal one needs to factor in the need to manufacture and maintaince additional vehicles when it comes to trucks and busses to make up for their lack of range. Logically, if an electric bus or truck has 1/3 the range, 3 times more vehicles will be required to haul the same load.

[@user-zh9kc7tw4n]

You should look up the Swedish down of Skellefteå they have cancelled most of the bus trips as the electric busses do not work at minus 30 c

[@deltadom33]

The most scary thing is a electric fire engine

[@sandybottom6623]

Bring Your Diesel

[@barrysmith4863]

Saskatoon - Saskatchewan - Canada - now has two electric buses in service - will try to find out how that is going - much like Edmonton I expect since our weather/climate is similar. Also distance - time on the road - charging time - etc ?

[@brettmorton7365]

I remember the electric buses in Wellington (NZ) they were great around the city, cos they used electricity directly from the grid.. no battery... they could only go where the catenary wires ran, but unlike trams they could steer around obstacles on the road. Power outage meant bus outage tho

[@rogerwilcojr]

I just saw an article where New Jersey is buying 750 new articulated diesel buses, with an option to buy an additional 550, before switching to electric buses. Those buses will last decades. It's a wonder to see this coming out of such a leftest wasteland.

[@SmallWonda]

Watched a video earlier of motoring mayhem with a snippet of an EV Bus on fire - UNBELIEVABLE! If that happened on Oxford St., or on Michigan Ave., Chicago the death & destruction would be devastating - it's a tool of war, utterly frightening. Keep safe everyone!

[@markthomas207]

Clearly, here in the USA, we have a federal government that is fiscally out of control. Example after example in this video we have a federal grant making all this foolish EV bus experiments possible.

[@jeffbroders9781]

Electric busses are great. But I'm talking about the older ones we called trolleys. 😅

[@sackustwilight6957]

That’s our money those damn fools are pissing away.

[@Grk149]

I live in Madrid, I have a big bus stop area under my building and let me tell you, the silent electric buses are a blessing for noise, compared to the ICE ones that sit there idling for minutes at a time. But other than that, I also don’t see the business case for them, it makes little sense.

[@christopherclark586]

Dayton, OH, USA has an extensive trolley bus system which has been operating for more than 90 years. Before that - electric street cars. As the city grew, the expanse of the trolley lines did as well. By the late 20th century, the transit authority was meeting much resistance pushing trolley service into the suburbs as suburbanites didnt want overhead trolley wires installed over their streets. Other busses were operated to fill that need including gasoline, diesel and natural gas. The latest solution is busses that are a combination of trolley and battery. These busses can continue to push into the suburbs without trolley lines, by simply stowing the trolley poles, switching to battery, and continuing on their way. They must return to the trolley power every couple of hours. They continuously charge when hooked to the trolley system grid. This is a free market solution which was in no way forced upon the RTA or the city it serves. These are solutions which have evolved to meet the needs of a growing and modernizing city transit system. Super flexible - but - its not cheap! I think - given time, and the freedom to develop a viable, efficient, and economical solution - the free market will develop a solution - that noone has even thought of yet. We just dont know - what we dont know. Let the market innovate and solve. Unfortunately, our politicians truly believe they are smarter than everyone else. They are wrong. They have hand cuffed innovation and - unless the good work you are doing sinks in - we will end up in bankruptcy. Thanks for beating the drum and putting some sanity to the EV mandate issue.

[@CNile-se9xw]

They seem to be treating the batteries badly & I'm surprised they have not had any thermal runaways. I can't imagine them letting the batteries cool sufficiently before recharging & they'd be abusing the batteries/motors between bus stops to make up for lost time.

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

The chances of thermal runaway are pretty low in a cold environment. Charging Lithium batteries fast actually requires pre-heating them. As this is mosly done when plugged in it does not show up as part of the decreased efficiency of the EV in cold weather, but it actually makes the CO2 footprint of EV's much worse than claimed. In warmer climates the EV's need to cool down the batteries to prevent damage. This can become quite problematic when it is parked in the blistering sun. And unfortunately parking a large truck or bus inside is not very practical and pretty dangerous while charging. Full battery electric has a future, but not for heavy loads over long distances.

[@JeTTRod]

It's kinda hard to give batteries all that extra time to cool down when they are flat after 100~150 kilometers, when claimed to be able to cover 4 or 500 kilometers on a single charge, and need recharged multiple times per day, unlike a diesel that can run for 700+ kilometers before needing a 4 minute refill rather than the half the day charging time required to get the bus to cover half the distance of a diesel.

[@tomc8157]

Lost time? Wait till they convert all the plow trucks to electric. We need to keep up with the storm, keeping highways clear, power grid goes down, we need to keep going, 30-40 hours straight of non stop snow falling. We carry extra fuel and have big tanks for just that. We can't have trucks going down constantly to recharge. We re-fuel at the state garages, generators for back up pumps. Maybe in 15 years from now when batteries are insane and can go for a long long time then sure.

[@CNile-se9xw]

@@SolAce-nw2hf If a very bulky battery (not long, wide & thin like in consumer EVS) is flogged to death in a freezing environment, heat will still be generated, especially in the innermost cells. According to Automotive News Canada, there were 55 EV-related battery fires last year, up from 29 in 2022, so even lower-capacity consumer EV batteries are going into thermal runaway. It's only a matter of time before those EV buses start taking pyrotechnic dumps.

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

@@CNile-se9xw Most EV fires are with NMC (or NCA) batteries, which are used because of their higher energy density. They tend to self destruct mainly because of cold, heat, impact, aging and production faults. Fortunately many brands are switching to cheaper, less energy dense LFP batteries, which don't tend to self-destruct. It does not save them if a NMC based EV next to them starts the fire, but an ICE will not survive in that case either. LFP is not immune to cold and heat, but it will do in most climates. For colder regions, Sodium-Ion will be a great improvement, even though it is less energy dense than LFP. It just works in extreme outside temperatures like -30C and +50C and does not seem to cause fires in the most abusive safety tests. But even with this new tech, I think we can't just replace every ICE with BEV. Charging is too big a problem at scale. Bigger vehicles, and ships are now being retrofitted with Hydrogen fuel cells, making them a clean alternative without the BEV weight, cost and charging times.

[@quantumIO]

They already have working electric buses for almost 1 hundred years they just have pantographs and they run forever clean, no batteries.

[@paulparoma]

I've been to Duluth. Had no idea they even had buses.🙃😃

[@carlmorgan8452]

Maybe cause they weren't running 🤔

[@paulparoma]

@@CawKee Not for the people living there. They probably love it!🤣

[@paulparoma]

@@carlmorgan8452 They were running away from the cold!

[@bm4751]

They were all broken down

[@wishteria234]

I live in St. Albert, throwing money away like that makes a taxpayer wonder about the whole green push here in Canada, it is going down to minus 20s next week, whoopie.

[@joandodds7626]

If it catches fire at least it’ll keep you warm👍🇨🇦 How are the heat pumps working... RLMAO🤣🤣😂

[@Dogooddontbesilly]

Using Google data for TFL ebuses. 9000 needed. 800 (ish)provided over the last 10 yrs. lifespan 10 yrs. TFL are back to square one (ish).

[@jandrews6254]

Time to bring back the horse drawn buses. Totally green energy, self replicating, fertiliser producing for your absolutely organic back yard vegetable garden. Provide your own heat, but you’d be doing that anyhow, stop being wimps, think of how your forefathers/mothers managed.

[@pauldurkee4764]

The politicians will need no invitation to introduce a methane tax on horse flatulence for everyone.

[@lynndonharnell422]

Ha ha. The ice transport was hailed as the saviour of New York as it was being drowned in horse poo.

[@HorseRadish138]

Good morning (here), has anyone seen the EV video published 7 hours ago on China Observer? QC during manufacture would appear to be variable and an issue if you want to purchase one!

[@charlestoast4051]

I suspect it’s unhappy oppressed workers getting their own back in a small way on their evil rulers.

[@graantmnz]

love your videos Simon....i note it was taxpayer money that was foisted on them to buy the buses...and if the local authorities had to decide what to replace them with, it most probably will not be EV buses....when will these politicians wake up...maybe when they get voted out...if enough of the voting public are awake enough to remove the ev zelouts....we did this in NZ recently...got rid of the woke labour greens Govt.

[@michaeltotten7508]

Excellent! I wish we could get rid of the woke Democratic Party governments, here in the USA!!! What a PAIN it is--dealing with their sh*!

[@BiznessWizard]

A total Cluster F___ and the tax payer gets the bill.

[@btiger1281]

Can't wait for Brisbane's new Electric Buses 59 are coming for our new bus way, sounds like interesting times ahead, it will be enough for a change of government if it all goes bellyup.

[@johnlovett6704]

The AEC (RT) buses are the best proof of longevity. Many are still owned and used on running days in the UK. Over 70 years now since conception. I worked on them in London for 8 years. Great pre-select gearboxes. They never seemed to break down. Diesels of course.

[@jbar100]

natural gas doesn't work very well the regulators freeze up every cold snap and you have to drive on gas all winter. Not only that the rebuild on the regulater was an expensive repair. Governments just bury these facts I'm sure. If people found out the repair costs of natural gas city trucks they would be mad at the waste of taxpayers money.

[@anianoenrique2115]

The bus company I work for has just announced the purchase of 96 BYD electric buses...

[@roadmonitoroz]

I'd be curious about the EV buses at Brisbane airport and how frequently they had to charge them. When I used to work out there (about 5 + years ago), they had a few electric buses. The buses were full size shuttle buses that would run Domestic -> International , Domestic - International - staff carpark and they also had a Domestic - International to - DFO (direct factory outlet). NOTE: My route information might not be perfect. The point is... The domestic - International is about 3 Km. International to staff carpark is about 3 more Km and the International - DFO is probably 4 Km and of course Domestic to DFO is about 7 Km. These ran with a 40 - 90% duty cycle depending on the time of day.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

In Canada here, an albertan city just admitted that the ev bus they bought is a complete waste of time.

[@nexus438]

Such a waste of tax payers money for all these government subsidised green projects.

[@kenhickford6581]

Keep it up MGUY, the penny is beginning to drop!

[@compostthewef]

I can see an application for a golf cart. But don't charge them inside, keep them 500 meters away from anything flammable!

[@bob456fk6]

When you factor in the amount of energy required to manufacture batteries and generate electricity, it there any gain over fossil fuel vehicles?

[@kenwarren8049]

Chinese manufacture, subsidies, grants, and under performance. What else should be expected? What is never mentioned in these failures is the insanity of attempting to use them in a cold climate for six months out of twelve. What did they do with scrapped huge batteries. All of this falls under "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

[@the_forbinproject2777]

look up "Sudden EV Explosion, Rockets up 5 Meters, Close to 100 BYD Autos Spontaneously Combust" many cars going off like firecrackers !

[@SylvesterJcat]

I saw that.OMG.These death traps need to be banned.

[@chrishall9448]

Here's one for you, my neighbours son who works for Eon in the UK has now been provided with the latest EV van, swapped from his Diesel van. With the Diesel van he filled up just once a week at a cost of £100 and went about his company business. With the EV van, 80 mile range, he now has to charge 3 times per week at a cost of £60 per charge, you do the maths. Not only does he have to charge 3 times per week, Eon allow him to finish work 0ne hour early to get to the charging outlet loosing Eon over 3 hours of his service time but the EV takes up to 2 hours to charge where he is now allowed to book one hour of overtime to the company. Remember this is just one person working for Eon, there must be hundreds like him.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

Another problem with electric busses is fire, here is what happened to a bus in Paris, luckily no one was on board when it happened: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2nYkqdrbLdmeqs

[@lizhaydon2250]

The cities really like wasting tax payer money.

[@Frustino]

If something doesn't make sense, someone is making a lot money from it.

[@tarwod1098]

The neighboring city of my hometown had electric busses as long as I can think (born 1965) . The name of the city is Solingen and the busses are called Trolley. They run flawlessly since decades. The same type of bus exists in many other cities as well. The wires look as if they belong to a tram, only the cities don't have to build rails. I'm sure these busses are way cheaper to install and easy to maintain. The only downside is the looks of the cables that have to be put up between the houses that line the streets

[@dmitripogosian5084]

The overhead wires is not an issue in US and Canada, because in many places our power suplly wires are overhead on the poles :)

[@stephenfrost6801]

Everything is proceeding as planned.