EV Myths Refuted, Do EV Discs last 100,000 Miles?

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[@sa323adam]

It's a losing fight Barry, this quote "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. -George Carlin" and this bumper sticker "Even duct tape can't fix stupid" sort of says it all.

[@domingodesantaclara1130]

My background is in mechanical and electrical engineering so it's painful watching people with the same training and knowledge as me tell a pack of lies when I know they know it's all a pack of lies. I've given up trying to inform people about what is going on regarding the EV racket. All confidence tricks rely on the victim going along with the scammer. It's got to the point where the victim is beyond the help of reason and established physics and engineering principles. They have been completely captured. Now, whenever I encounter an EV zealot or a proud EV car owner who starts boasting about how clever and environmentally aware they were in buying an EV vehicle, instead of getting into a pointless circular argument, I tell them to buy another to double their brilliance. When they have to replace the battery in 6-7 years (they don't last anything like 10 years as claimed) the look on their faces when they discover it will cost more than the EV vehicle is worth will be priceless.

[@Tel-f7w]

If EVs are going to destroy the car industry with £15.000 fines for every petrol or diesel car sold because they have not sold enough EVs and they won't ever sell enough EVs because most people do not want them or can afford them

[@paulbrowne6087]

I find it funny that the anti EV brigade complain that used EV prices are crashing and are worthless and then say nobody can afford them. Well which one is it?

[@GT380man]

I think the objective is to deprive most of us of privately owned, powered transport.

[@iCozzh]

@@paulbrowne6087😂😂 They have room temp iq.

[@FFVoyager]

@@GT380man I think your tinfoil hat has slipped.

[@BarrieCrampton]

I find it funny that people like you think that other people will continue to buy them new and keep losing all their money so that people like you can get a second hand bargain, ps I’m not anti EV

[@colinmcnally5931]

EV brakes will rust as they spend so long on the forecourts waiting to be sold.

[@qEnergize]

I know this first hand as I test drove a Tesla Model 3 Performance just for fun to see what all the fuss was about in terms of it's acceleration. When I first put my foot down fully I can't lie I was impressed with the instant torque and acceleration... that was very short lived though as I tried to slow down quickly whilst doing 70+ and it seemed as though I wasn't even braking almost. Sh*t myself! I was planting my foot harder and harder thinking f*ck me surely it's gonna grab at some point but nope! Dangerous to say the least

[@harbster2]

Your videos are excellent Barrie. They are fair and balanced, and tell the truth, unlike the EV shills.

[@FFVoyager]

@@harbster2 he's not going to sleep with you.

[@harbster2]

@@oneeyedgirl617 I own an EV you dickhead.

[@harbster2]

@@oneeyedgirl617 I own an EV you mor0n.

[@harbster2]

@@FFVoyager What a moronic comment. You must be about 12 with a comment like that.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Blimey you spend a lot of time trolling my viewers,

[@gilbert7794]

So they are saying that their pads are good for 100,000 miles but the rest of the system is U/S and won’t work in an emergency? lol are these people simple doesn’t matter what state your pads are in if the rest of the bloody system is unserviceable, and if involved in an accident and the Police find that your brakes where seized then you could be facing a prison sentence if a death is involved.

[@twig3288]

Disuse is not your friend when it comes to brake systems

[@colinmcnally5931]

I have a suggestion to improve EV cars. They dont need to be so fast do they?! Reduce the power so that they have more range. Range is one of the biggest problems . No car on the road needs to be fast so why make these EVs so fast? Slow them down and travel much further and reduce wear and tear at same time.

[@bobbybishop5662]

Ya , they talk about wanting efficiency then slap a battery 3 times bigger than needed. The EV push is just one big scam .

[@eddewhurst7662]

@@bobbybishop5662One of the main criticisms of EVs is their lack of range and you suggest batteries a third of the size. What planet are you on.

[@ThomasMarshall-pg7ye]

@@eddewhurst7662what he is suggesting performance should be reduced in favour of range.

[@bobbybishop5662]

@@ThomasMarshall-pg7ye Exactly

[@eddewhurst7662]

@@ThomasMarshall-pg7ye Reducing performance will make little difference to range.

[@allanmcgregor9641]

Thanks for your comments. I've changed the regen settings on my MG4 so that I brake more. I also watched a KZbin by a guy called Reg local on braking. He said that using gears or regen to slow down only works on the driven wheels whereas the brakes work on all 4. Incidentally my car's value has dropped about £6k since January 😢

[@matthewgodwin3050]

Barrie talks so much sense. Back in the day, I used to buy ex-repmobiles to sell into the taxi market. Typically, my cars had done at least 80k, and the brakes needed redoing before I could get an MOT on them. Pads were worn right down to the metal in some cases, and disks scored to hell with a lip around the outside edge. This was caused by constant use. In 2016, I bought a 13 year old petrol car with 16k miles. The first thing I did was replace disks & pads because they were corroded to hell due to age. The car has now done 45k, and I've just pinged an MOT advisory due to disks beginning to corrode, again from age. As Barrie says, this nonsense about 100k brakes is just that; nonsense. If you use brakes, they wear out. If you don't use them, they corrode. Either way, you will need to replace them for an MOT to keep the vehicle safe. No car I've ever seen has done 100k on factory disks & pads. You're more likely to come across a politician telling the truth.

[@hughblack6831]

My Audi A5 2ltr dinosaur burner has done 95000 miles on the original brakes and they are still in good condition. I put a new set of Goodyear X climates back in Dec 21 and after 45000 miles they are now down to just over 3mm but are evenly worn, I will be replacing them before the winter. Mainly it lives on the motorway, so light brake use in the main. It also averages 60+ mpg and costs 11p per mile in fuel. But - the cambelt wasn't cheap to replace, it had a EGR valve fail recently - not cheap. It also needs at least 2 oil changes a year. Still cheaper than an EV however and it'll do 650 miles on a single tank of fossils.

[@joeking4206]

EVs should be programmed to use the friction brakes every so often just to prevent disc corrosion and calliper piston seizure. It wouldn’t be all that difficult, would it?

[@philbateson7966]

Don't be silly, that would hit the car manufacturers profits!

[@st200ol]

Why program anything. A charge to 100% uses the brakes as regen doesn’t happen if there is nowhere to put the power.

[@DavidWesley-g9y]

I'll look forward to that happening just as some moron is pulling in on me, whilst overtaking 😢

[@twig3288]

@@st200ol It’s not recommended to charge over 80% as it reduces battery life

[@chrishart8548]

​@@oneeyedgirl617 they say the teslas after a certain age Don't matter if you charge to 100% all the other cars it's better to charge to 80% for battery health

[@bentullett6068]

The brake pads and disks on my manual transmission petrol car were only changed this year (2024) after over 80,000 miles. I purchased the car new in 2013.

[@twig3288]

It depends a lot on what roads you drive on and your driving style. Long motorway runs shouldn’t involve much brake wear unlike short stop start runs. Many drivers lack the ability to anticipate the road ahead and always have their foot on the throttle or the brake while driving between traffic lights.

[@bentullett6068]

@twig3288 since purchasing it has done a daily commute from Solihull to Evesham between 2014-2015, then a daily commute from Solihull to Alcester in Warwickshire. 2016-2019 it had a slight rest as I was working locally. 2020 I had to commute to Warwick. Then from 2021 to present its been commuting to Redditch daily. Also add in trips to motorsport venues like Silverstone, Snetterton, Oulton Park and other places I have visited on weekends or holiday. I would say my car has done quite a few miles on them. However because it is a manual transmission I tend to go down the gears rather than slam on the brakes every 5 minutes.

[@NAYF76]

The best argument I could put forward for an ev is if you only need a cat for light use but even that doesnt make the devaluation worthwhile. You may as well still have a cheap petrol diesel car for going to the shops once a week in.

[@Actually-y7j]

Quentin Weasel's a star of BS!After watching this I've decided to call myself doctor and everthing I say will be correct!

[@paulbrowne6087]

I've a Tesla model S for 7 years and done 126,000 in that time. I get roughly 35,000 from a set of tyres which seems about right to me. I use Avon RX7's which are decent. Still have the same discs and pads only half warn which is amazing given how heavy the car is. Really happy with the overall cost of maintenance. No oil changes or timing belts to worry about. Just top up the washer fluid every now and again. I see a lot of comments from people that have a negative position about EVs that don't seem to have owned one so I'm puzzled how they could come to any conclusion without experiencing owning an EV. Just thought I'd share my experience.

[@FredFox-m9v]

I have owned one ( an EV ) for 8 3/4 years. 42% degradation now after having only done just over 40k mikes in it. Put me off forever.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Thank you,

[@FFVoyager]

@@FredFox-m9v you are either lying or stupid. If you really have a Model S and weren't quite so dim you would have done something about the depleted battery before the start of the year when you still had a battery warranty.

[@paulbrowne6087]

@@FredFox-m9v what make and model was this please? Sounds incredulous as all mainstream manufacturers have a long battery warranty which would cover degradation.

[@FredFox-m9v]

@paulbrowne6087 Nissan Leaf Teckna, 30 kwhr 6.6 charger, in Arctic White, manufactured and delivered to me new, from the Sunderland Plant, through Lookers Nissan Gateshead on March 1st 2016 and the battery well looked after.

[@stevoone342]

Great vid, thanks for what you do Barrie speaking common sense. It reminds me of taking a Range Rover to the main dealer for diagnosis took them over 2hrs at 180pound a hour not to diagnose but suggesting to fire the parts cannon at thousands of pounds worth. So i took it to my local specialist under 15mins they diagnosed the issue and it was a 5$ sensor 1 hour of labour. I’ve never used a main dealer since the service side has too much invested interest and risk of them trying to pray on the miss informed or unaware. The problem with the ev fanatics and party’s that push the narrative A they have a clear invested interest, B they have seemingly zero ability or courage to etmit of issues even when its clearly dangerous or hypocritical or they have made a mistake. C they don’t like criticism especially with evidence or clear correlation. And it’s a cult/religion how dare you question the EV there is no way it has any flaws or downsides it’s perfect you know 😂😂😂😂…. I can see an accident where a ev hasn’t been able to stop in time where it should have, all due to failed brakes. But the driver will say who at least I’m saving the environment. But not lives

[@davidbarber4428]

Barrie retiring is a huge bonus for everyone who watches his video and likes the contents. Here is one person who is looking forward to hearing more from Barrie, keep the Stella work up buddy

[@BarrieCrampton]

Thank you so much 👍

[@johnmoncrieff3034]

Is Quentin Wilson indicating that EV's have a separate range of tyres to those on ICE cars? as that is what is being indicated! The biggest reason for break disc warping is rapid cooling due to water splash which changes the character of the material! The quality of the discs are not as good as they should when you know they are all made in CHINA!

[@ianchalklen1047]

Manufactures and dealers are haemorrhaging money over the political push for EVs and at some point soon the politicians will have to decide whether they want companies to fail or to relax the mandates.

[@carlbjames1]

retiring? You should be transport secretary!!

[@BarrieCrampton]

I’d have to have my brain taken out first, it’s part of the conditions 😂

[@gavinwhite9743]

Just completed 24k on my front tyres of my Polestar, still 5mm on the rear. That's more than my Audi A6 or BMW 5 series ever managed. However, one pedal drive is addictive, intuitive and easy. I think some kind of engineering solution to pump the breaks occasionally might be needed, although mine are fine still. Address the real issue, a charging network for all that is affordable. I don't care what people drive, I'm no evangelist. I also have 30 years experience in ICE cars, so know what Im comparing to. Nearly every argument against EVs, in my experience, has proven to be nonsense. EVs are getting better quickly, charging infrastructure is not progressing quick enough. An abundance of rapid charging would help immensely. Then these nicely depreciated Evs would make more sense as a second hand buy. Quentin Wilson was an arse before he started on his latest mission. Many Evs are the first gen mass produced cars from many brands. Already updated versions of iD3, Polestar Tesla etc are being released, so there has been a price for early adopters, like any technology. But if listed all the pitfalls, recalls and maintenance for my quality German cars, you would conclude petrol cars are rubbish. I find the anti ev brigade addicted to petrol. The pro Ev brigade have driven petrol for 30 years, and are surprised that electric works. Why Evangelists? Because the petrol evangelists just spout nonsense fed by traditional car industry and petrol industry, without the experience of living with an electric compared to a petrol. Its good to hear both sides of an argument, and I do occasionally challenge the garbage from Quentins articles, as he is misleading. The method of propulsion, and how to recharge or refill is a better focus. Because the cars themselves, be them ice or ev, are subject to good or bad manufacturing. I could do days of articles on my wifes’ Hyandai Sante Fe, which was definitely a Friday afternoon production car.( 2 rear diffs and a gearbox under warranty)

[@johnmcconville6055]

In our part of the world the council uses a huge amount of salt.The brake issues are common on ICE cars as well because of seized calipers,and pads. To be fair on Cleevely they will do a brake lubricration check,to prevent premature wear..I think the ICE service shops will replace these items,as the rate of normal wear will be higher.Thats when everything is working correctly.

[@johnmoncrieff3034]

The biggest thing to reduce brake dust and tyre wear is to drive with your eyes wide open and your brain in full anticipation mode! So you drive with the surrounding traffic in mind and regulate your speed to accommodate & anticipate other drivers moves without having to stand on the breaks or accelerate fiercely! I regularly traveled 100's of miles on both Motorway and A & B roads close to the speed limit in busy traffic without having to break unless coming to a stop, but even then only lightly touching the pedal to maintain a stop! Most tyre wear comes from heavy breaking and hard acceleration, when you maintain a steady speed the tyres are only having contact with the road! Michelin tyres used to have an advert for their radial tyres that they would last the life of the car, that car being the Citroen 2CV, as it had only marginal acceleration and breaking!

[@mickjoebills]

So brakes last 4x and disks last 2x. Barrie's opinion regarding brakes not always working is sensible, but the risk to owners is calculated by frequency of incident, which needs to be substantiated with statistics. Anecdotal stories are motivation to kick off investigations. Several EVs have brake cleaning functions, the issue is well known but as with any machine operated by the public there will be those who stuff it up. The question is, why isn't auto brake cleaning always working in the background?

[@FredFox-m9v]

The greatest determinant for how good tyres go around corners is the equation pressure = Force over area. In dry conditions, wider tyres that cover a greater surface area are better for sticking to the road because of the surface area covered but the equation really matters when there is wet, icy or snowy roads. In these circumstances the pressure per square inch, on the road matters. For this reason tyres should be designed so the weight of the car dictates the tyre width fitted, so that an adequate pressure per square inch on the road surface is the outcome. This is why large Mercedes and BMW's with very wide wheels slip in the ice and snow and vehicles like a citroen 2CV with very skinny tyres, even with a lighter body don't because the pressure on the road from a citroen 2 CV, is much greater than even a heavier car with really wide tyres. I used to own a Renault 5 GT Turbo. A really light car, with really wide tyres. Come the bad weather, it was a nightmare.

[@CaptainProton1]

Tesla Model S 196k miles so far, brake pads changed at 150k. Regen does just about 95% of all breaking. Discs were changed due to some corrosion at 150k as well as pads. I was told to use them once a day to get rid of any surface rust which I do now.

[@mr4kids.866]

To be fare to Barrie a lot of what he says about EVs is aimed at the poorly designed and terrible switching an ICE chassis to an electric chassis. Terrible software and cheap penny pinching manufacturing. Just look at the warranty some of the legacy manufactures offer they don’t even back their own products. I will not buy an EV unless it’s a TESLA 100% ground up built EV car company. They even have open patents on most of the tech and still legacy keeps trying to sell crap it’s almost like self destruction.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Good advice

[@ThomasMarshall-pg7ye]

Captain stop bullshiting everyone, we are not 5 years old.

[@chrisaris8756]

Who cares if EV tyres and brakes last longer or not? Their tyres could last for a million miles and I still wouldn’t have one, it’s not a consideration when I buy a car. Also tyres may last years - but - age will destroy them. They MIGHT have tread left but they are dangerously brittle due to age.

[@twig3288]

The fact that they have a low friction coefficient is enough to put me off. I prefer tyres that have good old fashioned grip

[@jcfallows]

Good video Barry, so many guys have no mechanical empathy whatsoever! A friend of mine borrowed his son's car and immediately noticed metal to metal on braking! his son had heard it, but just turned the radio up! I've owned a Renault Fluence, a 30 KW Leaf and currently a Zoe GT, none of these cars have high Regen braking and virtually none when the battery is fully charged! They only assist. So on these if you are not doing motorway miles, mainly A roads and town driving the discs corroded at the same pace as any ice car, even if the pads aren't that worn if the discs are worn or edges are getting cruddy you change both anyway. On the Fluence which only had 70 max range I used a set of German remould winter tyres these were brilliant in winter and cost about £30 each fitted. It hardly made any noticeable difference to the range of 60 winter miles. I have the Michelin premacy 4 tyres which are fitted from new on the Zoe, they cost more but the handling is fantastic in all weathers and super quiet. The later EVs have E- braking which will bring the car to a standstill. So on these cars people should get their brakes checked every 6 months or if they feel they have poorer braking. Certainly don't just turn the radio up!

[@BarrieCrampton]

Thanks for that 👍

[@douglasmorris8364]

I have a Leaf for local blatting and it is great because I can charge from solar (in the summer). My experience with having the regen on or off seems to make no difference to the range at all overall despite what Lie-O-Meter says. Even the 'ECO' mode is load of bollocks. I turn all those 'Range increasing' features off as the car will coast like an ICE when slowing down, I would rather wear my brakes out knowing they always stop me in dicey situations. I do turn on the regen feature in wet weather as it helps with grip better. My tyres are getting near the wear indicator at ~14k miles on the clock. So again, in my experience you are spot on. Thank goodness I've kept my trusty Pug 508sw oil burner as well.

[@royyoung3104]

Cracking video,just found channel just love the down to earth no nonsense presentation. Keep it up..and have great retirement. ( Afraid I am halfway to EV land ,have PHEV,but am under no illusion as to the EV scam!!!)

[@desobrien3827]

FFS...Tyres shed approximately 13% of its weight over its lifetime...the heavier the vehicle the more shedding of tyre particles...it is not rocket science...where does it go? Into our environment, not to mention the the rest of the tyre at disposal. EV or ICE no different. Re: EV brakes, just make sure you use them at least once or twice on each road trip! Stop banging on please & encourage that practice. Brake pads & discs will last on ICE vehicles, if you do not tailgate and anticipate the traffic ahead of you!

[@charlieh2492]

My brakes and discs were shot on my Tesla after 2 years because they were not used enough. £1600 later!!

[@BarrieCrampton]

Seems to be a huge problem, sorry

[@andyarmstrong1175]

Nice one! Let's hope that no one burst in through that door!😂👍🇬🇧

[@davidhumphreys9938]

I don’t know why the RAC asked Dr.E.M. about brake pad or tyre wear because he is a battery chemist and not a chassis engineer. I also find that he presents every thing about EVs in a rosey light, so I ignore what he says about EVs unless he’s talking about battery chemistry. There should not be issues with rusty brake discs on EVs unless they have not been driven for a while (same as ICE vehicles). On my EV, if the vehicle has been parked for more than 6hrs, then when the vehicle is driven regen is switched off for the first few brake applications. Also on my car when coming to a stop the friction brakes are applied below 3mph as the car can’t generate enough regen at that low speed. My friction brakes are also used when braking in corners as a single electric motor for the rear wheels can’t provide individual wheel traction control or DSC. So I don’t believe there would be a rust concern with my brake discs ( if I had std. discs) as the brakes are used every drive cycle. This is something that all EV manufacturers could implement. I have tungsten carbide coated brake discs so there is very little brake dust and zero rust. My brake callipers are white and remain clean apart from road dirt. So there are easy solutions to brake disc corrosion and calliper sticky problems that manufacturers can implement.

[@StaggerLee1468]

You know it's possible to turn off one pedal driving, right? Just use it round town and turn it off on the open road. No issues with discs/pads and also lots of sexy regen. Duh.

[@australiainfelix7307]

There's always one very clever boy. Look up the SSH.

[@peterhealey7964]

I miss heard you and had to rewind. I heard Mcturd. I don’t know of him but I’m 61 now and still find this level of humour funny. Keep the vlogs coming mate. Very educational.

[@sobpd1]

brilliant video Barry , we need more people like you to call out this EV nonsence , not chuckled some much in a long time, then it dawned on me ,what if i have a EV behind me tommorrow while im out on the roads working, i could be stuffed right up the jacksie with one of these EV,s with siezed up brakes , it,s a ridiculous situation that any road vehicle could operate n such a way, and just a thought to appease EV owners why not remove the brakes altogether , less weight , less cost ( no need to carry around something you,ve never used in 100,000 mls is there) and just let slow down with regen, well has we all know regen wont stop you in a emergency, im not intrested in long life bakes i want brakes to save life Shaun , Accrington

[@BarrieCrampton]

Yep, brakes have one Job

[@brendanpells912]

I've just sold my Hyundai diesel with 296,000 miles on the clock. Tyres lasted 50,000 miles on average. Last set of front discs lasted 80,000 miles, rear discs 88,000 miles, front pads 50,000 miles, rear pads 84,000 miles. Total cost of parts £154. What's the point of having discs and pads that last twice as long but cost 5x more to replace. All calipers are original.

[@Caneandunable]

The only positive I see of people buying EV’s is that there is less waiting at ICE forecourts for me today. Happy days👍

[@michaelpearson915]

Barrie. Keep telling the truth. We need more of your insight, experience and wisdom. Haters gonna hate (as I believe Taylor Swift told us).

[@emmettculleton7165]

Does this regenerative braking do an emergency stop just asking The problem is you’re not following the narrative they don’t want ice cars on the road they want to Control your car electronically so they can switch you off when and where

[@mdshovel]

I am on my second EV ... a Volvo XC40 Twin EV and now a Renault Scenic. They both combine physical braking and regen when slowing ... so I've never had brake corrosion or issues. Both cars weigh less than my previous Diesel Jaguar and all of them achieve around 30,000 miles on the tyres.

[@geoffreycoley846]

as any biker from the sixties that rode japanese bikes know, maybe we should go back to the compounds they used on their tyres, no grip worth talking about with them, they saw the future

[@twig3288]

Yes, I remember changing out my Bridgestones for TT100s Bridgestone has come a long way since then.

[@benhamilton5692]

Just William (books author) Richmal Crompton - Just Baz (EV Justice truth teller) Barrie Crampton

[@mitchhigginson2248]

Thank you, Barrie - How refreshing to see someone giving some balance and experience to this subject. I had toyed with the idea of an EV but all I’ve heard from current EV owners is supporting everything you say. The problem with this ideology is it’s becoming a position the EV supporters can’t move on from despite the evidence. A measure of their personality perhaps?

[@yiannisnj7341]

The microphone Barrie! Please raise the sound!

[@fredfred2363]

I watch on apple TV and ipad. Both are really quiet when you talk and deafening for video clips or ads. That cowboy skit at the start scared the hell out of me as it was so loud compared to you speaking. Anyone else experiencing the same issue?

[@mikeolly67]

Here’s the problem Barrie , you’re applying logic in your arguments. Boil the whole push for EVs down,and the whole point originally was to meet net zero. Now we have China trying to flood the country with electric cars that they’ve produced using power generated using coal. China has no interest in reducing carbon emissions, they’ve seen an opportunity to sell crap cars to idiots in the west, so are now building more coal power stations to accommodate the increased production . The whole argument about EV tyres and brakes and anything else about them is completely negated by Chinese built EVs. Quentin “clocker “ wilson has a vested financial interest in EVs being a success, his opinions are most probably the opposite to reality. The world has gone bat shit crazy.

[@bp8339]

I'm convinced these Pro EV shills are getting funding from the barmy government to promote the milk floats. They can't really believe the gaslighting guff they promote.

[@DavidWesley-g9y]

Great conversations Barry, keep the common sense coming. In a perfect world the brakes should last a bit longer, But. The pads are always in contact with the disk and heat will eventually reduce their efficiency. Most people I see in electric cars are racing about like rally drivers. Tyre's will wear faster. Combine all these factors and you are increasing the risk of having tyre and brake failure just at the time you need them to work.

[@ShaneQ17]

This is Dr shills EV conversation car reg. T298 RSX - Peugeot 106 EV

[@paulf897]

Why don't EV drivers just switch regen off once a week and use the breaks that day. At least they would be able to stop in an emergency if needed and keep the breaks serviceable. Using them like that would be better than doing emergency stops!

[@mikewhitehead50]

Regen isn’t a bad thing. I’m not a doctor either, but I know wind resistance is a small part of slowing down. As it squares with speed, it’ll be more significant on a superbike as they’re going quickly and have less momentum, being light. It is possible to have low rolling resistance and high grip in a tyre. At least according to Michelin it is. Warping discs likely an uneven distribution of pad material on the disc. They aren’t going to warp at road temps, unless they’re binding. When dealers service EV’s they really should service, clean, lubricate the brakes more often. My EV’s brakes are fine. The car’s 3 years old and has done 18k. Pads are 10% and 20% warn. Occasionally I give them a fairly firm stop whilst on route. Nothing difficult and possibly once a month.

[@ridbanner1407]

If EVs were any good we would be queuing up to buy them. No govt interference would be necessary. Q.E.D.

[@DaleSteel]

People NEVER retire from the car game. Never. It's in the blood.

[@matthewdowning6009]

Got an EV and no issues with tyre wear but the last one had corrosion on the discs and were sometimes a bit useless when you really needed them. I think it’s down to the recommendation of charging to 80% so regen is nearly always in use. My current car has an LFP battery so charging to 100% is recommend and it has no regen for about 10 miles after a charge. That seems to keep the brakes in much better condition as they get a bit more use one day a week. EV’s could do with the ability to turn regen off (some do) and advise from the manufacturer to disable it for a few miles a week.

[@garryhills8648]

Keep the talk videos coming !!! Barrie

[@deth3021]

To be fair the corrosion problem could be resolved with a SW update. I.e. just need to have a mechanism that forces regular use of the breaks. Once a week or something.

[@johnpaterson4163]

Another interesting video. Some good valid points there. But surely the brakes are checked on annual mot’s and should never be allowed to be in unsafe condition. Issues regarding regen has given me food for thought, we have ice and electric cars in our family on my car the regen is off by default but I regularly switch it on, I enjoy the driving style. Unless your driving like a snail your still going to be using breaks many times on a normal drive out , but I shall keep my eye on the disks when I wash the car, will make sure no build up of rust is evident. Tks for video, see you in the next one Barrie,

[@gilbert7794]

EV’s won’t last long if you allow the engineers time to come up with new fuels. Like the diesel Engine named after the inventor not the fuel used today to run them, they have been run on coal dustbins oil veg oil petroleum waste oil, So given time a newer clean diesel fuel can be produced and stop the environmentall damage done to produce the raw meterials needed for batteries.

[@Vivian-g1h]

An icev engine provides useful braking assistance on over-run and using gear changes also increases braking assistance.

[@kevinledgister5252]

Weight and torque will affect tire particulates and road wear. Weight increases the friction required for braking. These are physical realities. It does concern me that emergency braking could be impacted by corroded brakes or these low energy tires.

[@kevinledgister5252]

The advantage of an ICE car with brakes is that you can tell when they are degenerating or wearing. At minimum, EV software should require period brake use to avoid corrosion and driver feedback of this critical safety feature.

[@vandamonium1731]

the PM10 pollution of EV tyres has been known for nearly a decade read research from Victor R.J.H. Timmers and Peter A.J. Achten and many others Generally, EVs are ~20 % heavier than ICEVs due to their batteries, such that non-exhaust PM emissions from brake wear, tire wear, road wear, and resuspended road dust are higher (Amato et al., 2014; Simons, 2016). Van Zeebroek and De Ceuster (2013) were the first to investigate the non-exhaust PM emissions of EVs and reported that they were comparable to those of conventional ICEVs. Beddows and Harrison (2021) referred to national inventories to calculate the emission factor (EF) for non-exhaust emissions of PM10 and PM2.5 and found a correlation between vehicle weight and non-exhaust emissions. Specifically, the EF of total PM10 from EVs was 7-12 % higher than that of diesel ICEVs meeting Euro 6 emission regulations. The same study concluded that the use of regenerative braking by EVs, together with a reduction in the weight of the vehicle by 3.5 %, would result in a total PM EF comparable to that of the same-class of ICEVs.

[@markevans5892]

As previous comments, tyre ware in my BMW IX3 over 30k miles. Diesel equivalent is certainly no better and probably worse. Maybe we need to stop lorry’s, buses, and rubbish lorries using our roads 💡 Now regenerative breaking is a problem. As before all I’ve had done is a brake fluid change and they obviously check the brakes. It’s about getting your car serviced and inspected at the correct intervals. Car sales is a whole different thing to fully understanding EVs, my experience of legacy dealerships if poorly trained and lack of knowledge when it comes to EVs. Time to retire as you suggest!

[@BarrieCrampton]

Thank you for your advice, typical EV’er have a nice day 👍

[@bp8339]

"wear"

[@freewheelinfranklyn]

I was wondering how a brake disc that is hardly ever used could warp, thanks for the explanation Barrie. It's about the callipers sticking when used and continuing to brake after use, causing overheating of the disc. Couldn't that heat cause a seal to get damaged leading to brake failure? It seems that EV drivers need to make some use of the brakes every time they drive just to keep them working

[@seantaylor9758]

I amased how unpleasant the EV discussions and opinions have become. I have always enjoyed new products and if they are good they will sell well. I don't recall any product that has had so much government intervention on a commercial market. I have recently had 3 phase installed and will have no issues for charging if I chose to buy an EV. I tow livestock and plant trailers and distance is severely impacted when towing. The product I'm sure is good for many but the heat and unpleasantness needs to stop.

[@BarrieCrampton]

I quite agree, and unfortunately I’m getting drawn into it, but when some one consistently calls you names and a liar even though you’ve provided endless amounts of proof, my fuse gets a little short, I must do better 👍

[@seantaylor9758]

@@BarrieCrampton In reality the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Everyone charging their cars will be an interesting site where our local main dealer can't have a fast charger as the LV network needs upgrading. It seem many towns and villages will need a massive upgrade to their power cables or you will need time slots to charge.

[@MarkWistow]

Absolutely hilarious EV adverts keep interrupting watching this!!!!!!

[@davidmorgan3149]

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[@davidmorgan3149]

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[@jimrandall1739]

I have an EV, Ive had it 4 years and this year I had the front tyres replaced (changed before they reached minimum). Mileage 32k. Seems very reasonable to me. Disc and pads have very little wear, I regularly apply the brakes to engage the pads and the disc remain looking pretty good. I think it's great that you brought up about the general brake components not being used enough, I hadn't given that any consideration. Are these items checked during an MOT?, if not, do I need to consider having the brakes serviced regularly? Thanks for the very interesting video.

[@vandamonium1731]

yes they are checked on mot and little used brakes will corrode and seize

[@paulbrowne6087]

I've a similar experience but done 126k in mine 😂. Still on the original discs and pads. No seizing, scoring just works as normal. I get approx 35k from a set of tyres which is about right I think, especially a heavy car like a Tesla model S. I don't see how most commentators here can have a view without experiencing EV ownership. 🤷

[@jimrandall1739]

@@paulbrowne6087 Spot on, I hate the assumption that if you own an EV, your stupid, your an EVangelist, you've swallowed the lie. It's just they're great to drive, cheap to maintain and if you've got a home charger, its really cheap to run.

[@emmettculleton7165]

There is no mention of the price of the tires. A Porsche Sports car, £500 per tire £2000 to change for tires and I bet they haven’t got a spare

[@richardsmith579]

My hybrid has paddles to increase/decrease regeneration. These work well and I do use them, sometimes. I was conscious from the beginning that if brakes aren’t used they will rust and seize up, requiring new brakes and discs, which are expensive. I did notice that the discs were rusting so I intentionally used the foot brake more, resulting in the discs now being clean and unlikely to bind. Perhaps I’m getting a slightly lower fuel mileage, but it’s still usually over 60mpg, occasionally in warmer weather over 70mpg, so that’s fine by me. It’s all down to common sense and motoring can never be free.

[@robertsmuggles6871]

It is only 5-10% for whom an electric vehicle makes sense. This means the ‘car of the future’ is, believe it or not, an old banger. And, by the time the Government realises their error, the car industry will have been wiped out. Strange but true.

[@ohyesitsme]

Maybe that is what Governments are aiming for.

[@paulbrowne6087]

Can industry was wiped out in the 70's.

[@robertsmuggles6871]

@@oneeyedgirl617 SMMT Q12024 - share of zero emission used car sales was 2.1% - this will continue to increase - but the ceiling may top out at 5-10%. ev is a great 2nd car - but if you can only afford to run one car - it is not practical for most.

[@kevinmoffatt]

Any motoring 'guru' who has been prosecuted for driving with bald tyres must be considered to have lost all credibility and should confine themself to judging WI cake making competitions; they have NO business advising others.

[@John-t2v]

Leave them to it Barrie its their money .

[@ridbanner1407]

I service motorcycles and about a third of pads I change are due to corrosion where the friction material is coming away from the corroded steel backing. In my 30 year career I have seen 2 incidents where driver lost brakes due to pad breakup. Regular use drives out water ingress. Bikes that stand for a long time seem very prone to this. As for calliper seizure ,I strip and ultrasonic about 1 calliper for every 3 pad changes due to seizure problems.

[@terryburns2290]

Surely if the brakes are dodgey then they are illegal and should not be allowed on the road, If you have to brake in an emergency and you don,t stop out come will be intresting . Like what they have to say to the police And the courts !

[@dchubworldsharenetwork]

29:19 - Wait WHAT.... Replacement every 9k? 🤣🤣 Do these people even have brains? "Tesla owners suggest that the cost to replace both front and rear brake pads and rotors can range between $840 to $1,583." For my brake pads, I paid $55 OEM. Replacing a set (Brake Rotor + Pads) every 100k is too expensive and a lot more expensive than just replacing brake pads. If I replace the brake pads every 10k, I'm barely at $550 - (let's make it to $600). Of course they last more than 25k miles, maybe for some drivers less.

[@chrisseward5368]

Will EV regen breakers forget to use real breaks in an emergency, just because they are not used to using the breaks, expecting the car to stop.

[@steve6375]

Some drivers turn off regen. Car software should automatically turn off regen if the brakes have not been used - or only turn on regen after the brakes have been used for 120 seconds per journey. But that of course would reduce their miles/kW figure...

[@nottmfunguy]

These EV types seem so defensive. I wouldn't want to own a car which I have to be defensive about for the rest of my life. I like a car to go from A to B in the quickest possible time, no hanging around, none of that rubbish!

[@anthonydevono8833]

Problem is Barrie the car market is in serious trouble because of financial issues in the country also interference from the government.Roads are in critical condition something has to give I personally think the budget is going to be not good for motorists

[@chrisattwood8701]

Brake and tyre wear depends on how and where you drive. I had company cars which I drove in town and on back roads, tyres and brakes lasted 20k, discs 40k. Currently I have my own BMW F30, tyres last 30+k and pads from the wear indicator are suggesting over 100k.

[@LeonieHall-c4o]

Thankyou Barry.

[@Vivian-g1h]

Rapid acceleration and deceleration distorts tyre treads and scuffs off the tread at a high rate...the bev leaves a cloud of rubber compound particulates that are carcinogenic.

[@td4speed]

Ev should be fitted with old school drum brakes and or replace the open wheel design with coverd wheels that shield the brakes from rain ect

[@FFVoyager]

Many do have drums - certainly at the rear of most (if not all) the VAG MEB platform cars - Audi, Cupra, Škoda, and VW, along with Ford's Explorer and Capri.

[@twig3288]

@@FFVoyager The front brakes do most of the work, and drums on the front wouldn’t be as effective as discs/pads, you would need to lengthen your stopping distance quite a bit, and as you probably know that’s not easy because people keep pushing into the gap that you create.

[@Vivian-g1h]

I am surprised that eddy-current brakes have not been designed for Bev's.

[@stuartdavison4014]

Another interesting video. Not sure if you have ever covered this in your other videos but have a look into how the insurance industry treats evs after an accident. Write offs, storage costs, storage requirements etc. Couple that with the extra equipment required by fire services and Recovery costs. All of this has to be paid for somewhere along the line.

[@colinmcnally5931]

Going back a few years now on my R reg Passat 1.9tdi I got 110,000 miles out of the rear tyres and 55,000 out of the fronts. Michelin Energy Tyres. Brilliant tyres. If EV discs are warping...what warps metal? Heat!! Why are eV brakes overheating? Because they are having to over work.

[@neilbrandon]

@barriecrampton.. Suggest you speak to Tesla service. Tesla can control their regen and friction braking. Highly unlikely to have rust or warp on Tesla. The software ensures that the friction braking is used.

[@systemx4]

all the ev tesla men will tell you how cheap their car is to run and not mention the 20k depreciation they just lost. Q: why doesn't evyone have one if they are so good ?? A: becasue it only makes sense with government subsidy/company tax benefits

[@technohamster4783]

I love how ev shills bang on about brake pads, the cost compared to vehicle costs is minimal. Infact its so small.its irrelevant. As for disks i cant remember ever changing them in a car ive owned.

[@edblair5253]

What part of EV's wear oit faster due to regenersrive braking? Parts of the motor? Something has to be dealing the the forces of friction correct?

[@JeffPower-dv3zl]

Hi Barrie this is worrying thanks Sir 🎉😊

[@1960ARC]

Every one with a brain knows you're telling the truth. I have driven a diesel smart car since 2009, it's done 111,500 miles. The smart is all I need now the kids have left home. Changed the brake pads and disks at 95,000 miles. Tyres last ages. I am going to need a larger car due to grand kids, I'd like a car with not too much tech, perhaps a panda. Obviously not an EV as they suck.

[@matlewis5973]

No one mentions that the brake lights don’t come on on many EVs using regen.

[@cameronbaillie3014]

Too right, I nearly caved the back door in on an electric bus.

[@myelomabiker9637]

Barry speaks sense and not Just V hype

[@myelomabiker9637]

I had to be Env 200 , fantastic little van but limited on range and h n fully loaded. It failed rear brake cables , deisel version £25 , EV £250

[@stevebobojones]

Another great Video love the insight to the Car Trade,I wonder how long before Insurance Companies start looking at MOTs when you have had a Accident.

[@fredfred2363]

I can't watch your videos anymore Barrie. The sound is just wrong. Please playback this video and see the difference in sound level between you talking and the cowboy skit. Everyone else, including the ads are at the cowboy level. Please please please sort it.

[@BarrieCrampton]

@@fredfred2363 it plays perfectly on my Mac and no other complaints

[@DavidWesley-g9y]

Lets face it, the insurance on ev's will eventually kill them

[@sobpd1]

i also might add i think EV,s are the future but not in their present form , in 20 years time i see the EV then has far superior to any thing we have now, fast charging , long range, affordable and cheap to run as well has being very environmentally friendly (and working brakes) 😃 sadly they,re trying to sell us future to soon with lies , the tesla of today wont work with future tech in 20 years time, but i think a petrol or diesel vehicle will

[@boogboog8097]

Never heard ev tyres last longer, completely the opposite they are heavy and wear tyres out really fast especially the higher performance cars

[@stephenparker5272]

Oh dear Barrie, the evangelists will not be happy. Their world fell apart when the UK'S response to the Ukraine situation caused the huge increase in electricity prices. So once thev'e done more than 180 miles on a trip its an arm and a leg to recharge, plus £5 for a coffee!. I think my next car will be an EV, but one like the Kia EV3, with a real world range of 300 miles. Its said that MG will have solid state batteries by 2025. We'll see.

[@damindra]

Great video! Finally someone identifying all the misconceptions and lies theEVangelists keep spouting! Keep it up and good luck retiring, look forward to more videos

[@BarrieCrampton]

Thank you

[@barryelstone2992]

Barrie, once again a great video I understand and agree with you regarding the brakes, these brain washed so called EV experts haven't got a clue, sorry to hear you're thinking of retirement because my goal was to buy a range rover from you when I had the cash. On the point of clever people, my brother in law has multiple qualifications in the petro chemical world and had a university education but he couldn't change a light bulb and is also a shit driver.