Eva Dry Safe Dehumidifier! Does it work?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Eva-Dry E-333: amzn.to/2FOReiN Eva-Dry E-500: amzn.to/2FSLuoj

[@Chromaburn]

Hi, thanks for doing that video, can't find this golden rod that you mentioned.

[@nicecutie]

if you leave it plugged in for to long can anything bad happen to it?

[@dustyblack1855]

I found that my evadry lasts longer and works better when i weathersealed the door of my safe. Air tight safe with a couple of those inside and it works great.

[@edwoll]

I have three of them hanging in my small safe.It keeps the relative humidity between 40 and 57%. it's been over two years now and they are still going strong.

[@leanhard1987]

Been using this for some time now. I go into my safe often so every few weeks I dry it out, but it works very well.

[@russelder9743]

Been using mine for about 3yrs.....and it works great in upstate N.Y.

[@chakna861]

Use 3M rubber or foam seal around door or door frame. If safe has holes for ground or wall and they are not used, place tape or silicone on them.

[@chaoticcaninejb]

Ive been using these for over 18 months, 1 in each safe and recharge every other Sunday. Works great!

[@TWANGnBANG]

Cool!

[@chaoticcaninejb]

TWANGnBANG Right now in great NC weather its 87% outside and 52inside and I had safe open for 10min earlier. Id say thats pretty good.

[@onlyychevys]

I live in south Florida and keep some of my guns in the garage. 80 plus humidity almost year round. Just keep your guns lightly oiled and you will be fine. My firearms look great inside my safe in the house with nothing. Your a/c system removes most of the humidity in your house. Look at 100 plus year old guns that are in good shape before a/c even existed. Clean them and shoot them. Well maybe shoot them and clean them. lol Thumbs up and thanks for the commercial.

[@TWANGnBANG]

I haven't seen guns stored without being oiled regularly avoiding rust in 80% humidity. Good shape isn't good enough when you can easily do better. For some reason, museums work hard to keep their guns between 45-55% relative humidity. Maybe because they know what happens when they don't... :)

[@GearKnowHow]

I've been using one of these in my safe for years, still running strong! I have to recharge it about once a week.

[@MoreAmerican]

I use two of these and a golden rod in mine. I live in humid hawaii. I have to recharge every week or two. I've been very pleased.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Cool!

[@DitchDr101]

MoreAmerican I use two of a similar as well and live in Georgia where humidity is always a problem to deal with. Never had any issues. I recharge mine monthly.

[@damonjones9270]

Just remember, relative humidity is the humidity relative to what the air can hold, not total humidity. Warmer air can hold more moisture, so if the humidity was exactly the same and only the temperature was raised the relative humidity would go down without even removing any moisture at all. Great video, hope this helps in the future.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Yes, but relative humidity is all that matters as far as corrosion goes.

[@jamesp739]

I've use Eva Dry units as well with good results. One of the mods I've done to my safes, is to add foam weather stripping to the door, like the door seal on a refrigerator. While not perfect, it goes a long way in reducing the transfer of moist air from outside the safe thus extending the time interval between recharges. The foam weather stripping is available in various widths and thicknesses from any hardware store. You may have to experiment a little to determine the proper thickness.

[@Dr_K545]

I use both, Golden Rod and Eva-Dry and they work together really well. I think the heating rod does the majority of the work, but both together get it a few % lower humitity overall, than using one by itself.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Yes, I've also found their effects to be somewhat additive.

[@WORRO]

Yep these work,,, I have two of these in my safe, IM n NW FL so humidity is soooo high here. Good video thumbs up!~John

[@TWANGnBANG]

Thanks, John!

[@carbonking53]

I had the crawl space on my home sealed and encapsulated about three years ago and that alone dropped the humidity level inside the house 10-15% on average. For my safe I've been using an Evadry and recharge it every 1-2 weeks since I don't have power close by to my safe. The Evadrys work great in my opinion.

[@TWANGnBANG]

That definitely helps when you have a crawl space to seal off.

[@nardvt89]

I did the same. Worth every $

[@nardvt89]

I did the same. Worth every $

[@dirtroad5637]

I keep one in my ammo locker and one in each safe. They seem to work. I'm not sure about some of these comments saying that they have to plug it in a lot. Mine only "change color" in about 6-7 weeks over the last three years that I have owned them.

[@TWANGnBANG]

It's heavily dependent on what the ambient humidity is.

[@dude...are-you-sure]

This works so well it dries out all the double sided tape I have securing various holder inside the gun safe. To secure anything to the wall I'd have to use screws to fasten it to the walls.

[@thegreenman2030]

Great product. I've been using them since 2013 and have never had a rust issue. Here in the basement of my home in NE PA I run a dehumidifier non stop from mid May until mid October. The humidity has gotten up to 80% + at times so I know these little bad boys work.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Wow!

[@92naz32]

I use the larger version of the Eva-dry in my Liberty Centurion 18 here in Tampa, Fl. and it typically needs to be recharged every 3-4 weeks. This solution works, and for the $20 investment at Home Depot you can't go wrong.

[@projet2907]

Which version model number would that be?

[@92naz32]

@@projet2907 It doesn't have a model number on it, but it has "high capacity" printed on the front. It's the larger of the two available at Hone Depot.

[@projet2907]

@@92naz32 Ok got it, Thank you very.

[@BLUELEADER78]

I have been monitoring the humidity in my safe. Without any type of humidity control device it maintains about 49%-53% humidity. With the eva-dry device the humidity average has not changed. The pellets changed color but has no effect on the humidity. The next thing for me to try is the golden rod. Maybe both devices will have an effect of the humidity but I'm not holding my breath on that one. The safe is approximately 30 cubic feet. The eva-dry should have had a significant impact on the humidity. (Also, thank you for the l.e.d. strip light video. I modified my setup using a switch and a 12v battery. The batter should power the lights for about 5 hours. I went with a battery in case the power goes out. I plan on adding a battery maintaining charger at some point in the near future.)

[@deluxe05rrt]

in the past i've used both a dry rod and packs like you have; but i've found a dehumidifier in the basement or wherever your safe is works the best. keeping that area between 40 & 50% humidity is not only healthy for your firearms but you also; try it friend.

[@ComprehensiveContext]

Great videos! I checked your videos on the Goldenrod and the Eva-Dry, and you helped me understand how each works and which fits my needs best. Thanks for the clear, straightforward information.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Thanks for watching!

[@edmunoz6524]

I like to put these Eva-Dry's in my cabinet. one on the bottom and one midway up. The cabinets are in a closet that used to get to about the same RH as yours (65-70% in SE VA). I run a small peltier dehumidifier in the closet that keeps the RH in the 40-50% range. No rusting at all. When it was 65-70% some Mosin bayonets I had began to rust.

[@AngkelBee]

Thank you for the guide ! It helps me a lot to understand how it operates, but my country does not have this model but it works the same !

[@MarksmanTV]

I have two of these and just plugged them in for their first 12-hour recharge. In one of them, roughly 70% of the beads are still green (wet), and in the other, about half of them are green, but some of the beads have turned a weird lime green color... Any thoughts?

[@BlackAdder1970]

I have multiple units of the same brand. I use them for ammo storage as well. I always have 2 that are ready to go. I just rotate them as they need dried out

[@ascarta]

this is the dehumidifier i sell the most often, easy to use, affordable, and it works

[@MsUltrafox]

Much better then that golden rod. This device actually collects and holds the water until it can safely removed from the safe. Sadly it is not for a safe that has power or you could use a Eva-dry Edv-1100 Electric Petite Dehumidifier. Costs a bit more ($48) but should work great. My worry is if the safe would get too dry. Wouldn't that be bad for the wooden stocks.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Relative humidity is all that matter. Oh, wait. You're this guy. :) It doesn't matter if you remove water at the same temp or raise the temp without changing total water- the change in relative humidity is EXACTLY THE SAME. We're not going to go through all of this a second time, though. You've said your peace on this on the last video.

[@JLNYardBird]

It's nice to see you use a Sturdy Safe.

[@Protectiveedgetraining]

Just ordered mine, Thanks for the review.

[@neuberas]

you did an excellent video, great explanation, results, really nice, thanks for sharing

[@aberodriguez4149]

TWANGnBANG thanks for the work you put into all your videos and informative reviews. The safe we see in this review looks like a STURDY SAFE, if so could you give us a break down of what you felt was important to have, no need to make a video just maybe thickness package and how you handled the movement of the safe without destroying the house and getting your Queen mad as anything. Thanks GOD bless you all.

[@ITHINKUREALESUK]

I've been using the same 3 in my safe for 2 1/2 years and it takes 24-36 hours to recharge them every 7 days. This year I added a goldenrod and these 3 and it last over 2 weeks now before recharge.

[@TWANGnBANG]

The GoldenRod is also very effective.

[@Slinky108]

Awesome! Thanks again for the video! I'm putting a hydrometer in all my safes and eva-dry as well!

[@WhatIsYourMalfunction]

I have goldenrod dehumidifiers in my safes, but they are down low. I put in an identical, but branded desiccant unit in each safe, up higher, and find they capture enough humidity to need recharging every month or so. I'm in the Pacific Northwet, and have had no rust issues after 4 years with that setup. I will say one dropped on concrete and split open -- what a mess! Over time I find the units need longer recharging time with briefer effective dehumidifying periods, and become less efficient, but they easily last three years before I get annoyed and buy a new unit.

[@mrelectron6220]

Shinypartsup yep you'll be finding them beads around for months LOL don't ask me how I know.

[@MrBrianDuga]

I was looking at these last night and a few ratings included pics of melted units that overheated when plugged in. I shied away but maybe it’s just a quality control issue...

[@juanpaulr]

Thanks this is what I needed to confirm my purchase. Great video

[@pitbulldaddy8841]

Thanks for the video I wanted to know if they really work, I'm buying the Eva Dry E-500 right now to help out my bathroom

[@02pwrstrk]

I use 1 in a 42 gun safe and it does the job. I still want the Golden Rod to "fogetabaughtit". Your milage may very, but I have to charge mine once a week.

The fact that the desiccant will dry itself sold me. I thought I'd have to keep replacing the desiccant.

[@mikefiaschetti7544]

Thanks responding my safe is in the basement. I'm in Louisville ky. Where it can get very humid. Mike fiaschetti

[@brianteed7390]

I use Stack On brand and have 4 of them in 2 small safes. I have to recharge one of them every day. It takes 24+ hours to dry each one so I leave one plugged in for 12 to 14 hours each day, and this goes all summer long. I am going to buy 2 more so I will have 3 in each safe and see if that works. I live in Michigan and have them in my bedroom.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Wow, that's a lot of humidity. Have you thought about running an electric dehumidifier in your safe room?

[@mrelectron6220]

Brian, that seems way too often as twangnbang stated you must have a lot of humidity. You may want to look into a dehumidifier, or get some self sticking weather striping foam for around your safe door and seal up any holes you can so your not recharging them daily.

[@paulvenn4447]

This must be the only vid on these things on KZbin. I have a generic branded one of eBay (they're all the same) and they work a treat. Even Remington and co have got these, slapped their stickers on them and upped the price haha.

[@TWANGnBANG]

There are a few others, but they are all pretty old and none have very many views.

[@GetMeThere1]

Yeahbut....1) Is going from 67 to 56 going to make the difference between guns rusting and guns not rusting? 2) IS THERE a relative humidity point where one can say with confidence that guns won't rust at all? My experience: In 1985 I built a "secret closet" in my folks' house about 15 miles from New York City.. It was adjacent to an upstairs room but it wasn't directly heated or cooled. I would say the temperature range it was subjected to year after year was probably...50F - 95F. Because of the way I built it, it was probably quite air-tight. I loaded this closet up with guns of all types - handguns and long guns (at least 30 firearms -- some of very high value). I gave them each a good spray/wipe with BreakFree (state of the art at the time). Most of the firearms were cased in cases typical of the time. When my Dad passed away in 2013 I opened up this "time machine." Other than some revolver cylinder releases becoming frozen due to the BreakFree turning into something like shellac, every single firearm was in PERFECT condition -- not the slightest bit of rust inside or out (including a few bores of older hunting rifles which didn't have any oil in them AT ALL). And yes, besides running cleaning patches through these bores I looked at some of them with my Hawkeye borescope, and can guarantee there wasn't the slightest rusting. In my experience -- and those of my friends -- the most consistent conclusion I've been able to come to is: guns stored "above ground" tend to be fine (of course, NOTHING is going to be rust-free if you put it away wet, etc.), and guns stored "below ground" (i.e., in basements -- even with efforts made to protect them) are at grave risk of getting some rust. I'd be very interested in any comments.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Relative humidity is all that matters. Gun museums try to keep their stuff between 45-55% relative humidity. That's dry enough to reduce the chance of rust but not so dry that it dries out wooden stocks and grips. If you need more drying, you buy more driers and put them in different parts of the safe.

[@ShogunMongol]

I'm not sure if I got a bad one, but the Eva dry I have is really terrible. Lasts a week in not that humid weather (Maryland) and also also while it was plugged in for a bit, the thing got so hot the plastic grate on the front melted a bit.

[@TWANGnBANG]

That's definitely defective.

[@6foot7dad]

So glad you did a review on this. I just received mine last week and was hoping it would work. I receive my hydrometer you recommended this week. Ohh, got the light system you recommended too. Still need to install it though. Great job on your videos. Thank you.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Awesome!

[@Mrgunsngear]

nice

[@TWANGnBANG]

Thanks!

[@Plattipus]

Don’t mind me just looking back a few years 😁

[@johnm.gerard1718]

I'd like to see what the front of you Eva-dry looks like when you need to recharge the unit. I have 2 and it looks orange to me and never changed to green indicating it have sucked up moisture Unless there is 0% humidity in my house which I don't think that is the case.. My humidity sensors all say 45-55%..

[@cliffcollins2497]

Thank you Sir for the wealth of information. Take care!

[@fuyingbro]

I have the Remington label version of that. It looks the same, but I don't have a hook for mine.

[@mastalee1776]

we have a $1 store here in Cali called the dollar tree. they sell these disposable dehumidifier. can u check how well this work. if u have a store that sells it

[@TheDuppyman]

When did you buy a sturdy gun safe? Are you going to do a review?

[@iceduckz]

Nice. You should review your sturdy safe.

[@GeorgeWitham-qb6ye]

Works good and I like I can use an app to change settings

[@gigilaroux762]

First kudos for locking your guns in a safe to prevent theft. So I was thinking of using a tinker version in a box safe for papers. What is Golden Rod?

[@crazygunsmith8214]

it is a rod between 12 and 24" long that has a heating element in it .you run the small in of the cord that attaches to the rod,you only need about an 1/8" hole in the safe if your safe doesnt have an internal electrical outlet,and plug other end into a wall outlet. it heats up and raises the temp in the safe by 1 or 2 degrees and forces the cooler moist air out of the seam between the door and frame. most good safes have a gasket in the door frame that swells up during a fire and blocks out any water from fire dept ect. when the safe is closed there is a smallamout of movement in the door and this allows the heated air inside the safe to force out the cool damp air. i have been using these things for over 35 years and they work great. i take the guns out and wipe them down with a rust preventive oil every now and then and after every use. i have only had to replace the rods once in all of these years. the true golden rod is gold in color and has 2 little rubber blocks it sits in on the floor of the safe. you want it on the floor, not the top. i currently am using the black colored rod as it is half the price of the gold one and are made by the same company. lastly you dont want an air tight safe or these will not work. the moist air has to have a way to escape the safe!

[@tunnelrat1439]

Great Review as Always Twang n Bang ...I am searching for something like this but to be honest I would really like just a Golden rod that I could Recharge and put back into safe...Have any of you guys seen something like this and know if it works as advertised ...Thanks

[@TWANGnBANG]

The Golend Rod would go through batteries like no tomorrow. It takes a fair bit of power to generate the heat it does.

[@vme3000]

Could I use this to protect my camera lenses from moist and fungus in the air in a storage box? Or would this be too powerful and damfe my camera lenses?

[@davidsuzukiispolpot]

I don't understand. I would think that bringing the humidity down to 57 percent is a huge fail. That is still very humid for corrosion or rust, isn't it?

[@G11354]

I have the "Stack-On" version and must say Im very pleased.

[@TWANGnBANG]

I think it's the same, just different stickers. :)

[@SicsemperevelloMortemtyr-by9hj]

Just picked one up from someone. Had no idea how to use it. Until you said plug it in to dry. No instructions were included.😂

[@kbar3618]

I just had a thought, since this is the second humidity control video you've done lately. What about testing a 15w light bulb? Humidity control and safe light in one solution?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Poor source of lighting since it will only be in one place, gets a lot hotter than 150 degrees on the surface making it a risk to your skin and your stuff, and not as efficient at providing the heat you need as a GoldenRod.

[@Paulio91184]

I mist have a defective one because when I plug it in the pellets in the little window stay green like they aren't drying out

[@chadmccormick1412]

Great information! I have seen this video mentioned in another video by someone who sounds like an engineer. So, my question is I have a 24” (I think) long golden rod at the bottom of my Fatboy Jr and 1 of the Eva Drys you mentioned. You also have a Peet heater in there as well. It can get up to 80F in the same and stay there but the RH is usually 38-42%. I live in SC and it is always humid about 9 months of the year. Do you think it’s too much heat in the safe? What’s the desired or maximum humidity one would want with thousands of dollars worth of guns in there? Any help would be appreciated!

[@HOTRAILProductions]

I use two of these for my gun safe.

[@toddmann88]

so the only way to figure out what dehumidifier you need size wise is with one of those meters? I've been playing the guessing game too long. didn't ever cross my mind that it could be to dry.

[@zanaga1901]

Will it work to get rid of humidity in garage.

[@shortfusemiller6984]

How do you like your Sturdy safe?? been thinking about purchasing one. they are 4x the safe then the top liberty one. I just wish they had nicer shelving. keep up the good work.

[@TWANGnBANG]

It's fine. Very plain inside, but very well made.

[@pudgespracticalposts342]

Doesn’t warming it up release the moisture back into the air? I guess if plugged outside, but not inside, i feel like it would be bailing water in a rain storm.

[@TWANGnBANG]

You plug it in outside of the safe. It’s not meant for remaining plug in inside the safe.

[@SM-mb6vw]

awsome tool, like always you know your stuff happy holidays!......sid

[@454pakr]

Cheap peace of mind, if you change it frequently. Set a reminder program.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Not a bad idea.

[@BullShark1579]

I have one which I keep in the safe on the floor. I just bought another one. Not sure if I should use them at vthe same time or use one at a time and just alternate as they need to be recharged. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[@JoeyTek5150]

Do you have to hang it? Can it be placed in the safe instead? ( fire safe )

[@roygreene2988]

Do you think this would be safe and okay to use in a small 12 gun safe that is small prolly 18 wide 55 inches tall ? And by safe I mean cause most of my gun are wood stock like some browning a5s

[@ggsound4492]

Can you try with diy solutions for humidity?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Maybe, but they really don't work anywhere near what silica gel can do.

[@surgeo420]

How long til you noticed a difference?

[@MrYumago]

Are you going to do a review on your Sturdy Safe? I have been thinking about buying one.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Not likely going to happen anytime soon.

[@CupcakeofEmotions]

I bought these for my bearded dragon and leopard geckos vivs and I wanted to see how long it takes to see a big change

[@krysgranados5272]

AceMovieMaker1 how did it work for u?

[@krysgranados5272]

Exact reason I’m looking at this

[@josemanuel2244]

Can this work for a bedroom?

[@HOTRAILProductions]

Yes

[@Garcia1689]

So am I suppose to cover up the holes on my safe ( stack on sentinel gun cabinet ) I do have a dehumidifier in it if I patch up the holes will I get better results if I patch the holes? Thank you

[@TWANGnBANG]

You’ll never seal that up. You will have to control the humidity in the whole room.

[@Garcia1689]

Thanks

[@CommissarKozlov]

My concern is how how this thing gets in an electrical outlet. Have you had any problems with that?

[@maluraqgamer7870]

That's purposeful; it heats up to release the humidity from the unit into the air.

[@america2a657]

Would you say other brands of the same design are equal, or is that brand particularly different? I've been using a Remington version for a while, but never tested it for accuracy.

[@TWANGnBANG]

I've only used Eva Dry brand.

[@albertoquintal3071]

Fantastic!! Thanks for the video!!

[@MrMustang990]

In my experience these saturate after a couple days and was unrealistic recharging it every couple days

[@TWANGnBANG]

What is the relative humidity in your safe?

[@johnmoore4]

I was distracted by your firearms collection. Looks high-speed.

[@aaronlane5053]

Tried this product and after two weeks it did nothing but allow my gas block to rust and the beads did not change color...it either doesn’t work or somehow mine was defective?

[@silvygang2454]

Plug thanks. Love KZbin can look up anything

[@House_Of_Brine]

Trying one of these to lower humidity for my bearded dragon’s cage 😁

[@standardreplicantKD6-3.7]

As long as the cage is enclosed then it should work pretty well. However if the ambient humidity in the room is higher than 50 you gotta focus on ambient humidity.

[@House_Of_Brine]

Chris M It’s working so far so good 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@RACMRACM-jl2lj]

I need for a chest draw but I am not sure they are to expensive for what they do, with a little more money in Europe I get a 10 L dehumidifier which I already have and I am going to get a second one, for enclosed areas...... mhhhh reviews are very different.....but not much reassuring

[@hymen1847]

Can you put it anywhere in the safe? My safe if is a 24 gun safe. Could I get the bigger one or is that overkill?

[@edwoll]

I have the EVA DRY 500 , and it is a larger unit. Yes, you could put more than one in there if you have the room. However, if you have rifles with wooden stocks, you need to experiment and monitor, because if the humidity falls below 40 .. you're liable to dry out the wood and damage the stock with splitting. Oh by the way, really enjoyed your work on Taxi... !!!

[@alejandrap9921]

I bought this for my bathroom which is tiny and gets really humid and the fan barely works, do you think this could work for that too?

[@TWANGnBANG]

It's nowhere near the capacity you'd need for that.

[@fredrickcallahan4292]

Those fans are easy to replace. Try vacuuming it first to get the dust out sometimes that's the problem. If not sometimes a handyman is a cheap way to get things done, or just go to a job site where you see guys building a house and ask one of them if they want to make an easy 20 bucks to slap that in. takes about 5 minutes. New fan is about 20 bucks.

[@santoslorenz]

Will this work inside the car? i mean i think one reason why my A/C smells really bad is when the humidity inside the car is so high and when i quickly turning off the engine without turning off the A/C first before i completely turn off my car.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Yes, but every time you open the doors, you will let more humidity in. People do use these in cars they're storing for a while, for sure.

[@Josue-rd5gt]

Lorenz Santos Buy a ozone generator on ebay for about $85. Run it in your car for 30 minutes with the car off. Next turn on the car with the ac on medium speed 15-20 minutes and monitor engine temps. When 15-20 minutes are up, open the windows all the way down and put leave the ac on for a few mimutes. That will eliminate that odor as well as any other oders. So not breathe in too much of then ozone.

[@edwoll]

With all of the quality battery operated motion detection lighting you can purchase the marketplace, why would you bother to wire in lighting?

[@TWANGnBANG]

It’s cheaper and maintenance-free. There is literally no difference in the lights at all. All that is different is that they’re plugged in all the time instead of plugged into a battery which then needs to get plugged in.

[@darvidlsx6.0]

any light indication that it’s on or working ??

[@TWANGnBANG]

It is not powered unless you’re drying it out. It’s a reaction between the beads and the moisture in the air. It just works.

[@Booboosik]

Not partial pressures but half times.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Time to partial pressure equilibrium is what a half time calculates.

[@tommytP2000]

I'm a little confused, but don't you want your safe to have little to NO humidity for firearms storage?

[@TWANGnBANG]

You can’t remove all humidity from a safe, and if you store anything with wood on them, that would actually be very bad for them.

[@tommytP2000]

@@TWANGnBANG Any suggestions?? I'm tempted to just remove all firewall, wood crap etc. all together.

[@crgvino1]

Great review, I have bene using my Eva Dries for a few weeks. They are awesome.

[@angelperez5833]

What hygrometer is he using? Does anyone know ?

[@Baldcurious]

I had one in my safe for few years ,woks pretty good

[@americanmade422]

You need to still babysit these when you plug them in. They get really hot

[@Inatfromdenmark]

i bought it but how do you plug it in?

[@bunberrier]

Find a grown up and ask them to do it for you ok