GoldenRod Safe Dehumidifier! Does it work?

[@TWANGnBANG]

GoldenRod Safe Dehumidifier (all sizes): amzn.to/2oGC5J3

[@Corey2386]

Is your safe stored in the garage? I am looking to store mine in my garage and wondering if I need anything in addition to the goldenrod? Thanks!

[@SuperResa14]

My original intention for this humidifier was to use it for plants that require high moisture levels. After using it in my room, kzbin.infoUgkxtD9aJ2m6GU-X1IChQxjn9l31K1A7Kpwj however, I think that's where it is going to stay in the fall and winter season at least. The increased humidity in my room made the room warmer and more comfortable. I had first ran the humidifier for 4 hours with the timer setting for it. After the first hour, I checked my room and can feel the difference. When the full 4 hours was up, I checked again and noticed that the humidifier was shut off as it is suppose to. The moisture level never seem to get passed 56/57%. I then let it run until all the water is used up, which it wasn't all used up. There are still some left in the base that you are not suppose to add water to. I filled up the water tank all the way again, being careful when removing it from the base. Some left over water may spill out. After putting it back on and setting the unit to auto, I let it operate. It didn't stop running, rather I don't know if it did at any point since I didn't check it regularly, for 24 hours after which the water in the tank ran out. The moisture reading never passed 56/57%, which may be a good thing for me. Being situated right next to my bed, the noise was not very noticeable with the occasional water gurgle from time to time as the unit ran.

[@Mrgunsngear]

used them for years; they work great

[@TWANGnBANG]

This is my first safe with power, so I'm a GoldenRod newbie. Very happy so far.

[@MiniMovies]

TWANGnBANG loving your videos about your safe! Any thoughts on future safe videos - maybe something on considering placement within your home?

[@TWANGnBANG]

The truth about safe placement is that you're going to put it where you can. A corner is better than not being in a corner, and the less visibility, the better. However, the reality for most people is that we have only one or two places where a large safe could actually live.

[@chrissewell1608]

Just as added fire protection. I placed my Golden Rod sitting on a square piece of ceramic floor tile from Lowes. Just incase it did tip over from door movement.

[@svtkilr]

I have an Eva fry and I keep my guns well lubed I always make sure they are lubed if they look a lil dry they get touched up if you do this you don’t need a golden rod. Don’t be LAZY with your Guns!!!

[@chiya2006]

You probably will need it for ammunition. Those powders in rounds, shells, especially the prime powder, with prolonged humidity will get damp and fail to spark. I don’t have it either , but I will just for the sake of ammunition

[@antmaffia]

I have the 18 in a liberty safe. About 2/3 of the size. It gets really warm and sent humidity down to 30%. Even 25% at one point. I worry I should have gone with 12.

[@fuyingbro]

I have one in each of my safes now, but only after not paying attention to my safes over winter which had a major issue. Two firearms had collected water and what looked like salts out of the air collection where the pistols had touched their cloth holsters. One is in bad shape that even ate the aluminum frame. I will have to do a video on this at some point. On another note these units do not take a lot of energy at all. About .01kwh. For both rods that is about 2-4 bucks a month.

[@MysteriousMarsupial]

Used them for 25 years. Simply the best solution I have ever used

[@Amberlynn_Reid]

ive used them for 26 years

[@southernyankee08]

My Liberty Presidential came with a pete drier, I've never had any issues with humidity in my safe. Even though its stored in a non climate controlled room. I'm also meticulous about cleaning and lubing my guns every few months.

[@TWANGnBANG]

That works on the same principle.

[@gunnarpaternal7495]

I just love the safe-centric videos you have been making. I installed the lighting system that you showed (love it) and I just learned how my goldenrod actually works. Very cool. I've been using my goldenrod along with two big desiccant containers for a long time because i haven't trusted my goldenrod...until now. Thanks Cameron.

[@TWANGnBANG]

I've known it works simply from the hygrometer readings, but I had no idea how fast it worked before doing this test. Thanks for watching!

[@KSCummins6.7L]

Got myself one yesterday, the one that came with sage oringally just didn't give me a warm and fuzzy and was very hot to touch, I like that you can mount this one away from things and not comprise all your outlets like the other I had did. Thanks for the video. Confident in my purchase

[@PaladinVII]

Were you doing a review? My jaw was on the ground looking at all the hardware in that massive safe!

[@TWANGnBANG]

:)

[@jeffstrains4014]

So I guess if you keep the humidity set in house already at 45% there is nothing to worry about. really wanted to put one of these in my safe not sure I need it though

[@CZFanGrrl]

The Golden Rod is amazing. I have a 12” in my safe. I hung it under the top shelf and fits flush under the shelf lip, so it’s out of the way. The basement gun room vault usually runs 60% humidity but the safe stays at 49% in the summer and 41% in the winter wben the house gets heated. I drilled a hole in the side of the safe, had the vault room wired and then filled the hole in the safe with insulating foam. Good video review!

[@PikeyScott]

Great video, thanks. I put a Peet dryer in my safe a year or two ago and haven't looked back. Thermal dehumidifiers are an absolute must for confined spaces up here in Seattle. I just about cried when I discovered surface rust on my Savage 10 BA. Desiccant packs are a decent option for passive humidity control, but I love the "set it and forget it" functionality of the golden rod and similar products. Keep the review videos coming!

[@TWANGnBANG]

The Peet dryer works on the same principle, though it has thermal chimneys left over from its start as a boot drying system. I love all of Washington state- I tried to move there twice but could not line up the work I was looking for.

[@drmaudio]

Not a problem we have here in the Phoenix area, but it is good to know it works.

[@michaelsherfield3749]

I just barely hooked one up in my safe thanks for the video. I was about to take it out because it was getting hot. I dont have a bracket mine is just on the floor ill probably move the carpet.

[@RuralMontanaLiving]

Thanks for the comment about ideal humidity for firearm storage. I've been wondering. I just wired up my Liberty Colonial with the inexpensive LED kit you posted a while back (which turned out awesome). I thought about adding a GoldenRod, but I live in Montana and the humidity in my house is rarely above 40%, so I guess it isn't necessary. The hygrometer in my safe typically reads 30%-35% with just a small desiccant.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Yes, it is just not needed. Still should oil your guns occasionally nonetheless.

[@RuralMontanaLiving]

Absolutely. It just gives me an excuse to handle them!

[@DougsterCanada1]

Love them on boats! A touch of ventilation will help let the moisture escape.

[@StephenB2]

I use a golden rod and some large rechargeble dehumidifiers.

[@TWANGnBANG]

They seem to be slightly additive, for sure, though whether or not it is necessary to do both depends upon the ambient humidity in your safe room.

[@mrelectron6220]

Good video, you're the first one I've heard say it doesn't really remove the humidity. I have heard all kinds of goofy explanations as to how it drives moisture out ect. Part of it is also you establish thermal currents in the safe which keeps the moisture from settling on the guns warm air rises and cool air falls and as you said moisture is not settling on the sensor or guns. The only draw back to and why I don't use golden rod or similar product is it requires power to work and it can also fail. I like using silica beads as they only need power to dry them in your oven ect and they give you a visual indication when need recharging. If the rod fails it may take you time before you notice its not working. I only have to check the beads once every few weeks and recharge about every month and a half. A little more maintenance with the beads but I don't have to worry if I'm away for a while and the power goes out in my home which is when your really going to need to control humidity as your cooling/heating system will not be operational.

[@TWANGnBANG]

You should have a hygrometer in your safe to monitor whatever dehumidifying solution you use. This one is $8: amzn.to/2t8TMEL

[@ThatGuy3714]

put a golden rod in the safe to keep the safe warm. add a evadry in it to absorb the moisture already in the safe then use painters tape and take the door seam to help stop new moister from getting in.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Moisture won't flow in through the cracks in any significant quantities- the hygrometer doesn't lie.

[@MCMXI1]

Warm air holds MORE water than cold air. GoldenRods don't remove water from the air, they work by increasing the Dew Point (the temperature at which water condenses). They are invaluable in a safe but must be used in combination with a dessicant. And most people don't use nearly enough of the later. Skip the plug in dessicants as they don't hold enough to work for long periods. Buy a few boxes of dessicant sized for your safe, then dry it on cookie sheets in the oven per the directions.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Discussed several times before- relative humidity is relative humidity. End of story. Doesn’t matter how you get there.

[@roy9161]

You should add humid absorbed tub like a mini one to add on it.

[@resolute123]

I recommend you look at Secure-It Conversion Kits. Your safe deserves better organization accessories.

[@CarlosGunX]

I use a 13 light watt bulb with a extension cord and adapter...

[@CPUDOCTHE1]

I would be tempted to just leave the LED lights on all of the time and save the $50 on the GolderRod. Both are a little over 30 watts worth of heat.

[@ii1825]

These are US made LED safe lights. www.amazon.com/AMERICAN-TACTICAL-Light-Version-Retail/dp/B07KGM5HR2

[@laserant]

Excellent review works well in my safe about the same size as yours. ...18 inch it's the way to go

[@TWANGnBANG]

Great to know.

[@timothythomas1345]

Your video gave me an idea . Although I don't have a "SAFE" . I keep ammo in a wooden trunk that I have sealed to the best of my ability . And had last year bought an ever dry rechargeable desiccant . Which one plugs into a wall socket top recharge . Well I am in the window of the monthly ammo check as I live in humid FL . I decided to run power into the trunk and keep the desiccant plugged in all the time . As I noticed it generates heat . Not enough to burn but enough to know it is hot . I would dare that it is about the temp of the golen on the inner areas . As it has a plastic outer shell . I have forgotten it for days before while charging without issue . As well I am encasing the area in which it sits with aluminum foil to be on the extra safe side . .

[@larryjanson4011]

just a simple 25 W incadasent light bulb can work in some areas, but not the deep south were people can swim down the streets due to such high hyumdety.

[@hhaeke]

At 5:25 into the video, you mention the lifetime warranty. Can you send me that link to get one from this company?

[@joeytomato]

A cheap under counter LED light mounted under a shelf, will do the same thing... And light up the safe... For 10 bucks from the dollar store. They put off more than enough heat to be effective.

[@dannyo3317]

Have you drilled any holes top and bottom to aid convection in and out of the safe? The Goldenrod instructions, I believe, talk about having some ventilation for this to work. Your safe is sealed pretty well just like my new one, which I have not yet installed a Goldenrod in. My previous "safes" were really just security cabinets, so they allowed a lot of air in and out, so I never considered the issue that the instructions mentioned. Your installation is working, documented by instrumentation, so that will be my guide before drilling any ventilation holes. I do have to drill a hole for the power cord entry, which I will put a rubber grommet in to protect the cord, as in my previous installations, or I will adapt the Liberty Outlet Kit to my safe. Thanks for any help.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Eh, no, and I've never seen anywhere that they recommend drilling holes into a fireproof safe for it to work. In fact, that wouldn't make sense as that would allow humid air to replace the air dried out by the goldenrod. See discussion in the comments about how it doesn't matter that the air vapor didn't leave the safe- all that matters is that the relative humidity drops.

[@dannyo3317]

TWANGnBANG : Thanks for your help, they never said you should drill holes, so that was kind of my idea for such a pretty well sealed safe as we have. The manufacturers state this: "Expansion of the heated air forces the moist air outside through the vents or loose fitting doors leaving the dry air inside." I am not sure that either of our safes have any such vents or loose fitting doors, hence my wondering if you added ventilation. Now, my security cabinets, they leak like a sieve :). Evidently, your safes work with the Goldenrod as is, so I will go that route based on your experience and that it is working. I will also buy the Hydrometers you have. Thanks for the great idea. I am being careful because I want to put another safe in my somewhat damp basement, but I do run AC most of the warm months, and I have forced air heat which should help a lot.

[@woodandsteel3040]

So I was given a new 24" Goldenrod for a safe smaller than yours. Should I get a smaller one or the 24" will be okay. The safe is in the garage in a location with high humidity. Thanks for any advice you can give.

[@dandude2010]

glad i live in Colorado not much humidity out here

[@TWANGnBANG]

Great state.

[@adrianspivey4535]

I live in south ga practically in the swamp and it is f$@?! Terrible here

[@Nothingtoya]

This seems great if you're starting off at 60% humidity, I live in Florida where it like to hang out around 90% humidity. How would these things do in that situation?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Central NC is no different, humidity-wise. If the inside of your home is 90%, however, you have a bigger problem than keeping your guns dry.

[@Nothingtoya]

@@TWANGnBANG I suppose this is true tough I'm wanting to move the safe to a room that doesn't have any climate control.

[@TWANGnBANG]

This plus an Eva-Dry (kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGiWfoOvgrOeeJY) are your best options. Combine that with opening your safe as infrequently as possible for as little an amount of time as possible for best results.

[@Nothingtoya]

@@TWANGnBANG I apologize, I bought a humidity Guage and my house is between 40 and 45%.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Definitely no apology needed. Glad your house has a great amount of humidity for yourself and your gear.

[@TheFunction007]

can you just plug it in and let it go? Or do you have to monitor humidity and turn it off and on

[@Carriesaglock]

Would the Golden Rod work keeping the safe in a non climate controlled garage? It can get really hot and humid here. Not to bad in the garage unless the door is open but when it’s open it will get humid in there.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Hard to say if it will do everything you’d need, but it will definitely be better than nothing.

[@Tija92]

What size are you using? Do you go with what they say for how many cubic feet they can manage or do you go as big as you can? Most Safes, even large ones, aren’t over 100 cu ft which a 12” would manage yet it seems most people go larger.

[@ShawnTylerF]

I really like these videos you're doing now. Any idea how safe/unsafe that thing is as far as catching fire? I don't like the sound of putting something that gets that hot inside my safe. Probably just paranoid. I'd also be interested in a similar video showing if the dehumidifier canisters actually work.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Eva Dry video is in the works. I have never heard of one of these setting something on fire. 180 degrees is well below the ignition temp of most safe contents.

[@ShawnTylerF]

Awesome! Yeah probably just paranoid. I worry about thing shorting out.

[@mosin9105]

Feeling a little dumb here. I've always wondered how well mine might be working and never thought to take the hygrometer out of my humidor and put it in my safe. Thanks for that light bulb moment!

[@TWANGnBANG]

:)

[@madmagrider]

I just use an Eva Dry. It actually removes the humidity and no power needed.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Eva Dry has an absorption curve- it absorbs best when refreshed, then diminishes in capability over time until it is no longer useful. You must recharge an Eva Dry quite frequently to keep up with a GoldenRod, though it is indeed an effective solution nonetheless. That said, the GoldenRod is a set-and-forget solution. It is always working at peak capacity and never needs any maintenance. Thanks for watching!

[@mssburr]

How often do you have to remember to recharge it.

[@j.p.4541]

Great review, I just purchased a 22 gun safe. Would a 12 inch rod be sufficient, or should I opt for the 18" rod?

[@DirtyDuck79]

Will the performance be affected if the safe door sits overtop of the rod when closed?

[@OMFGBigBass]

Just installed and two hours later it has not gotten any warmer. How long for it to heat up?

[@uclajd]

Hey did the organization unit inside your door come with the safe, or is it aftermarket?

[@donaldduck6414]

So just confirming that this rod gets so hot you can't hold your hand on it. Mine seems like it's borderline blistering hot if I hold my hand on it which is kind of scary being in an enclosed safe. I would love some feedback?

[@winstonholmes5566]

Why not use a 40 watt bulb on all the time in the safe ? I think it would work just as good or better.

[@PeterAgostiniJdcap26]

I got one on Amazon plugged it after about 10 minutes it was warm but smelled like plastic burning . Did you experience this on first time use ? Ty

[@defendingfathers7654]

This product works really well. Get two Hygrometers. One for inside and outside the safe for verification. amazing results

[@willbill548]

Normaly hygrometers have a sensor so that the sensor stays in the safe while the readout panel sits on top of the safe depending which model you get.

[@NickyDare]

thanks for the tips, I just cleaned up and worked great!

[@sokodad]

Has worked the best for me. Tried the Eva-dry and they were junk.

[@koiphish]

Wouldnt keeping a security camera nvr and an external usb drive inside the safe do the same thing? My usb drives are aluminum and produce a nice amount of heat, and so does my nvr with its internal fan blowing heat outside of the nvr case.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Maybe. Buy a hydrometer and see if your internal humidity stays in the range you want. If it does, no changes to what you do are needed.

[@retiredamericanpatriot5571]

what are your recommendations for safes NOT in an air conditioned space? My house is a crawl space and therefore I have my liberty 48 and a smaller ammo safe bolted to my garage floor. The liberty 48 empty is 1200lbs. and my smaller ammo safe loaded is well over that...hence the reason not inside. I live in Charleston South Carolina and our typocal spring through fall days hang around 80%+ himidity. I have the liberty 12in rods in both of these and try not to open the doors on really high humidity days.

[@TWANGnBANG]

You can only do so much to battle that much humidity. Oil the heck out of your guns, use the longest GoldenRod that will fit in your safe, and I'd even add a large Eva Dry because its effect is additive with the GoldenRod.

[@retiredamericanpatriot5571]

TWANGnBANG Thanx...btw...love the videos and info Keep up the good work.👏

[@mr.excitement689]

I’m in a similar situation , safe is in on a garage floor, with a 12 inch rod from liberty. I don’t think it’s enough though and will be buying a goldenrod. In Maryland, which gets hot and humid in summertime. I think I’m going to go with the 36 inch.

[@LionManatic]

The golden rod doesn't melt the plastic does it?

[@brandonion5647]

Can you get a golden rod too large? My safe is 26.57x55.75 and is 18.98 deep and I ordered a 24in rod.

[@autoapple6915]

We purchased one of these 36" Inch Golden Rod Dehumidifier months ago , We have it in a old bank vault , and it is the correct size for the application ,the door and walls are 1 'foot thick , problem we are having is the humidity is higher inside than outside , I can tell it dose function because the temperature is higher inside than it is outside , and the devise is warm/hot . But It is not removing humidity . The door stays closed for months at a time so it is not a result of opening and closing the door , (could it be the safe is to air tight?) any advise would be appreciated .

[@TWANGnBANG]

There has to be SOME source of water vapor getting into the safe. That is the only way for the air to be warmer *and* more humid than outside the safe. It has nothing to do with the Goldenrod. Possible, there are holes in the floor of the vault allowing ground water to enter the safe. That's all I can think of. A partial solution would to also add desiccant to the vault and recharge them frequently: amzn.to/2uTZ6g1

[@autoapple6915]

Thanks for the reply . I Understand the science behind keeping the interior of the vault at higher temperature that the exterior ( to force out humidity) , This vault weighs over 4 tons , it is air tight , with timed locking device , it is a bank vault . No humidity or vary little would be able to escape it , we do have large bags of desiccant inside . We recently had to remove the firearms because of this humidity problem . * I found this vault and thought it would make the perfect gun cabinet , it took heavy equipment to move it, my bright idea has now worked out so well .

[@MrMikesMondoVideo]

Mike, that’s not the science. The humidity doesn’t escape. There are two measurements to consider… the dew point and the relative humidity. The dew point remains the same, but the warmer the air, the more water vapor it can hold. So, as the temperature increases, the RH decreases, even thought the dew point is the same. That’s how this works.

[@paraTRUEper]

I would like to add that it's best to get the correct size for the cubic feet to be treated. A 12'' rod is recommended for an area of 100 cubic feet (18''= 200 cubic feet, etc). You don't get a size that will ''fit the width of your safe'', or a size that ''stays out of the way of your stuff''.....lol

[@hymen1847]

I had two 12” dehumidifiers and that had my safe at about 58% 60%. I decided to grab an 18” golden rod to replace the two 12” ones. Checked on the golden rod about 13hrs later.....the hygrometer was at about 67%-70% I then plugged up all the dehumidifiers just to see what would happen in efforts to just make the hygrometer moved and nothing happened. Began to think maybe the meter was failing so I took it took my friends house and it went to 50% within minutes. My safe is a cannon 60” x 28” 21”. Do I just have a dogshit safe? I know it’s not the best, but I didn’t think I’d have an issue like this. I recently just got into the safe and dehumidifying world and your video was very helpful, but it doesn’t seem like I can get the results you are getting and it’s pretty discouraging.

[@TWANGnBANG]

A Goldenrod only works if you give it enough time to heat all of the air in the safe to be higher than the air outside the safe. The EvaDry units also need time to suck the water out of the air since it really isn’t doing much circulating in there. Your friend’s safe might simply be in a drier location or one where its easier to get a different temp inside the safe versus outside.

[@hymen1847]

TWANGnBANG takes for the response. my friends safe is in a closet with a carpet flooring. Mine is in my bedroom on hardwood floors. We live almost next door.

[@steveo13757]

So if my safe is at 75% humidity, will the golden rod still work for me since it’s way above 60%?

[@kevinljxljx]

Can you explain relative humidity? I don't quite get it..... So all those water are still in the safe but they are "not" in the safe?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Heating the air makes water less likely to come out of suspension onto the surface of your guns. The water is still there, but it has a harder time affecting anything. Again, if the hygrometer humidity sensor can't see it, neither can your guns.

[@kevinljxljx]

Thanks for the explanation. So I guess water exist in the air as two forms, gas and liquid. it works as if the air temperature is high enough, then most water stay as gas form, which doesn't rust guns in the safe. It is like if you boil water and it turns into water vapor, which is a gas. But what if you open the safe and the temperature drops? water vapor condense if the temperature drop..... Museums use goldenrod because everything stays inside the glass boxes and they rarely open them, but how about a gun safe? I might be wrong.... but it is just my thought.....

[@TWANGnBANG]

The difference is just a few degrees.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Condensation only happens when something is cooler than the dew point of the air touching it. At no time are you ADDING water to the air in a safe, so even if the air cools back down to ambient temperature, you won't get condensation unless you were getting condensation before closing the door.

[@gooberminther3tik25]

You either said 180 or 108 degrees. I backed up and listened 3 times to hear the same. Im gonna assume the lesser. I also heard 1W per inch per hour power usage. This is important for remote off-grid solar power consumption. A 18" Goldenrod is going to consume 1.5A per hour x 24h or 36Ah battery drain on a overcast day; which can quickly mount up over the course of a prolonged sunless period. Elsewhere I read that the smallest Goldenrod consumes 8 watts while the largest, 500 cu ft version) eats 38 watts. Length of these units was not specified; but, IF the smallest is 12"L at 8 watts, that is 0.666...watts per inch. Or 0.999A/23.9AH per day for 18" Goldenrod.

[@chicoseki4024]

Where did you buy your plastic shelf next to your safe?

[@Blankford777]

How do you like that cart next to your safe? I was thinking about picking one up for my workshop.

[@AviMus82]

should I get one for just one handgun in a safe? im in southern California, and I don't know the humidity here off the top of my head.

[@TWANGnBANG]

That's why they make hygrometers. :) $8 and you'll always know the humidity level. That said, you're probably handling that one gun a lot, and if you just keep it oiled, it should be fine.

[@kotanagant9768]

What would be the best set up for your safe if you left it alone for a long period of time, say about 6 or 7 months?

[@TWANGnBANG]

The nice thing about such a situation is that you aren't opening and closing the safe door, letting the outside humidity in. A large desiccant or a Golden Rod would do very well in such a situation.

[@kotanagant9768]

TWANGnBANG Thank you for the info, I feel alot better leaving my stuff alone.

[@jshannon5771]

Does the hole for your power outlet jeopardize the integrity of the fire rating?

[@TWANGnBANG]

It does not. It’s at the very base of the safe, but not so low to create a flooding risk.

[@telethom4982]

If you wanted, I'm sure you could apply some sort of fire-resistant putty around the GR exit point. No gun safes, at least the one we mere mortals can afford are air-tight. Always some small air gaps around the door to let the GR to do its thing. Hope this helps.

[@genesmay6589]

Once the electrical cord burns it's an entry point for flame.

[@zechnarwilliams8019]

The part that I do not understand about this, is that warmer air holds more moisture.

[@ClintonFD]

Exactly. It holds more moisture, thus relative humidity is lower.

[@totljag1]

How long will a goldon Rod last ?

[@overlanddriven6346]

Good video ! Now I have I think an issue. I live in florida. Today's temp is near 90 with 72 humidity. My home os set at 73 all warm days and off when it's 40s out side. This week I've been having issues with my winchester 20 gun safe. My Thermopo states 77 to 79 degrees with 50 to 53 humidity. This past week Is this terrible? If so would the Golden rod really do much ? If so what size ? I have an evadry. A sock full of rice and 2 mid size bags of silica beads and few extra tiny ones around my ammo do I need to add more ?? So lost and confused

[@KristofferEngstrom]

Can someone explain to me how that can work at all ? The difference between hot and cold air, is that hot air actually can hold alot more humidity then cold air. What happens when the humid air gets cold enough is that the water cant be in gas form any longer and ends up as water. See the dilemma ? Its the dew point that you can effekt with hot air, but the air itself actually contains MORE water if you heat it up.

[@TWANGnBANG]

The temp will have to drop below the air's dew point for condensation to happen. Simply warming the air, then allowing it to cool to its original temp is not going to cause any condensation. It's only a few degrees, anyway. Also, you're not adding water to the air from anywhere- if you pour water from a smaller bucket into a bigger bucket you don't somehow get more water even though the bigger bucket can hold more.

[@KristofferEngstrom]

I seem to have misunderstood the corrosion process correlation to humidity etc. I have always thought that its the amount of water in the air regardless if its bound to the air or not, that makes things rust. I could be totally wrong.

[@TWANGnBANG]

It's the relative humidity that measures the propensity for water to be able to come out of the air and effect other things. That's why I keep saying over and over that is the only number that matters. Stop overthinking it.

[@mrelectron6220]

Machinshin, true warmer air can hold more moisture basic lessons from high school science classes. Twangnbang is correct about dew points. All the golden rod is doing is preventing this moisture from settling on the fire arms and causing rust. Golden rods are used by museums ect because it's a low maintenance item plug it in and forget it. Museums don't want staff fiddling around in valuable displays to remove silica beads every so often to recharge them. To truly remove moisture from the air you need silica beads these will actually trap moisture in the beads and pull the moisture from the air not just keep it from settling on the fire arms or what ever your trying to protect. The down side to this is every so often you need to recharge the beads by heating them up in an oven to a high enough temp to dispel the water they collected than they are ready to do their job again. Rechargeable beads will change colors to to let you know when they need charging and when dry after heating them up. So a museum is not going to use this method as it would require staff to monitor beads than remove them from displays and heat them and replace back into displays. Since most of us are in and out of our safes at least a couple times a month or more its easy for us to monitor the beads and recharge them as needed. IMHO the beads are the better choice if you really want to reduce moisture vs just keeping it off of your firearms. Unless your never really in your safe which is not wise as you always want to monitor your firearms and be sure no unexpected occurrences happen I.E. your goldenrod fails not likely but stuff happens when you least expect it.

[@KristofferEngstrom]

Personally I use a woods dehumifier in the same room. Works like a charm =)

[@deltawhiskey7991]

So I just ordered a fatboy jr, and I ordered the original goldenrod on amazon in 36". I have the factory power outlet in the safe which has a USB port and I am considering a USB fan with speed control to help circulate the air. I will have to put the safe in a laundry closet near my sump pump bolted to concrete floor. Any opinions?

[@TWANGnBANG]

No need for the fan. The Goldenrod creates a convection current as part of how it works.

[@gonerydin4225]

40 watt lamps works just as good. Keeps our welding rod dry.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Maybe, but it's taking 40W instead of 18W. A lamp is designed to give off light, and heat is just a byproduct of its inefficiency. A heating element puts a lot more of the electricity it uses into actually producing heat, so it's a better solution literally by design. Thanks for watching!

[@cliffcollins697]

Thank you for the great review.Take care!

[@garvincentcia5873]

Can you do a rendering of the honey badger from shot show 2017 ?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Q does not seem to be interested in KZbin channels at the moment. Maybe that will change, but no way am I buying a Honey Badger just to review it.

[@garvincentcia5873]

TWANGnBANG have a grate day ,, I in joy your show and aprove of your review on fire arms and riffles , your spot on with your ability understand every weapon in your hands . The honey badger is one of 3 weapons I would trust by my side as a small package all in one for the 5.56 For short and midd distances , yet no one has did a indef review of that honey badger . Yet .. . Humble gradatud this momeral day to you and friends that may of past ..

[@keylitho]

I am surprised you did not read the instructions.. It says exactly how it works and that you have to put it at the bottom horizontally in your safe... See below GoldenRod® heats to a surface temperature of less than 150° F (which is almost too warm to hold) and circulates warm, dry air throughout an enclosure on a 24 hour basis. This increases the temperature of the air inside to several degrees above the ambient outside temperature. Expansion of the heated air forces the moist air outside through the vents or loose fitting doors leaving the dry air inside. Installation Instructions Installation is simple. Attach the universal bracket using the stainless screws supplied with the unit and snap the GoldenRod® in place into the bracket. GoldenRod® must be mounted horizontally at the bottom of an enclosure to work effectively. It can be mounted as a freestanding application or brackets may be attached to a vertical wall. GoldenRod® MUST always be mounted horizontally in order to work correctly.

[@TWANGnBANG]

Relative humidity dropping does not force the "moist air" anywhere. It would drop as the air is heated even in an airtight container. While the pressure increase might indeed allow inside air to leak out, that is not resulting the all of the drop in relative humidity seen. Thanks for watching!

[@keylitho]

I am not questioning relative humidity.. or you.. I would have just thought you would have mentioned what the instruction say... I just posted what it says on the package..

[@marvinpureblood4476]

@@keylitho I have mine vertically 50 % to 48 % Humidity here in Florida in case

[@AceofKnaves1966]

Should I unplug it every night or can I constantly keep it plugged in?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Keep it plugged in 24/7/365.

[@Joe_Costanzo]

Great review! By the way, you look and sound like the dude from the KZbin Cannel, "Smarter Every Day"

[@motoritis345]

Haha I was just thinking that. Almost looks like him too.

[@richardxo507]

I bought the same Rod you have and i amnow registering 57% humidity and 75 degrees in the safe and the door has been shut at least 18-20 hours. So either the meter I have is inaccurate or I have an issue. The meter says hi humidity so is it?Is there another way to test it??

[@TWANGnBANG]

What is the humidity outside the safe?

[@richardxo507]

outside safe is now 60% humidity 75F and inside is 58% humidity and 77F

[@TWANGnBANG]

I’d contact Goldenrod and ask them if they have any ideas.

[@richardxo507]

I called them up and they said to me that between 35% to 65% humidity is ok, i have two eva dry 333 in their and they fill up fast with humidity. I was wondering if i just changed to the largest plug in like the eva dry 500 would that work better or just get a silica type which goes in the oven to recharge? what do you think I'm better off doing?

[@fishman80]

is it possible they can cause a fire since they are electric? that has been my only hesitation

[@TWANGnBANG]

Never heard of that happening.

[@fishman80]

TWANGnBANG thx

[@arenschaffran5286]

@TWANGnBANG - what does that hole drilled for the power do to the fire rating of the safe?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Negligible. It should be small and close to the floor where it's coolest.

[@arenschaffran5286]

TWANGnBANG thanks

[@jaredjroc5139]

Do you have a link to that outlet kit?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Yes. In the video description.

[@btexpress3356]

Is that a pistol with a silencer?

[@TWANGnBANG]

I own dozens of silencers of various calibers, yes.

[@stevew3691]

Good to the point video with great info. Thanks!

[@348loadedlever3]

Wouldn’t a 10 watt light bulb running indefinitely not only supply light but also dehumidify , someone should test that

[@Mike-B-Jackson]

Great stuff! Keep it up! You've earned another patreon supporter brother. :D

[@TWANGnBANG]

Thanks!

[@PaintHerWhite]

My only question was this. You started out at 55% humidity. But what if you live in places that have 80 and 90% humidity. How low will a properly sized Goldenrod actually lower that?

[@TWANGnBANG]

If you have 80-90% humidity inside your home on a regular basis, you need to get that fixed first.

[@Daniel-tv9tb]

People in Florida put the safe in the garage... Humidity is high here..

[@amstorm8954]

it is safe for local police department ?

[@TWANGnBANG]

Many departments lock their guns in metal cabinets that can be pried apart with a screwdriver. This is much more secure than that. It would ultimately be up to the security risks the department is trying to protect against.

[@tiberiu_nicolae]

In the comments: Gun owners not understanding the concept of relative humidity.

[@regsparkes6507]

Good 'review' thanks for this.

[@germ4bass]

how much would a safe like the one you have cost if you don't mind me asking.

[@TWANGnBANG]

I did a full review on the safe and explained the pricing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5nMhqCkfM-BqKc

[@BrewCityRider]

Great video and right to the point! Just sub'd.👍

[@34dawgsgo]

Answered many questions I had. Thanks.

[@thomast9233]

First comment.... glad to see some more product reviews

[@TWANGnBANG]

You win!

[@TWANGnBANG]

...also, I'm producing more reviews now than I've ever produced in the 5 years of this channel. Just take a look for yourself. ;)

[@thomast9233]

I was referring to the fact that it is a good use of time for the rainy week we are having in NC. Stay Dry.

[@Renrondog]

Be aware they're are 2 companies that sell these. Names are different but the same. Lockdown GoldenRod has the limited lifetime warranty $$$. MaxSafe has a Golden Rod with a 1 year warranty $$.

[@300zxdriver]

I have two and I don’t think they work.

[@TheNorthernyankee]

I have one that's 30 years old and still working like new.

[@The_Noticer.]

Trying to get these in the EU is a nightmare. We're stuck with fucking silica gel, which doesn't work for shit.

[@M9A1MAN]

Good video

[@weezerfan999]

And ur not worried about a potential fire hazard?

[@TWANGnBANG]

This product has been around for decades with no reports that fire is a concern. Safer than a lightbulb.

[@weezerfan999]

TWANGnBANG, thanks I'll definitely be putting one in my safe, always great to improve the longevity of my firearms and munitions

[@animistchannel2983]

Yah, 180°F (82C) won't set any normally encountered substance on fire. It will sort of dry out cloth, paper, or mud by direct contact eventually, but it's even way below the auto-ignition point of pure toluene jet/race fuel (410°F). You could literally spill gasoline or gunpowder on it and get nothing but a smell unless there was an electrical short caused by it. You could hold a match-head to it and get nothing. It's 32° below the boiling point of water itself, so it's not even hot enough to make a proper cup of tea. An experienced short-order cook could juggle with the things, if they know how to juggle. Pure white phosphorus will burst into horrible flames at room temperature, but that's been banned as a weapon by the Geneva Convention. Also, if I remember it right, there was an exotic lab chemical called di-flourine-dioxide (F-O-O-F) that would spontaneously explode if it got as warm as NEGATIVE 200°F. It also exploded at any temperature if it touched any other chemical compound, or if its super-frozen container was bumped, or if you thought bad thoughts, or just because it felt like it. There is nothing about that molecule that wants it to keep existing. The research paper on it was hilarious (and suggested that they lost a certain amount of equipment in the process), but you probably don't have anything that unstable in your home -- not even the middle child :)