Destiny 2 - THE TRAVELER SPOKE DURING THE COLLAPSE! Here’s What It Said

[@conmanay4563]

Still love how this lore just reinforces the idea that the speaker completely lied to Ghaul just to mess with him

[@Mgl1206]

He didn’t though, he said that the Traveler didn’t speak to him. Which it doesn’t. It dreams and the Speaker sees it.

[@MyriadEsoterica]

Here's what the traveller said during the collapse "Ah shit"

[@StupidCatLady]

It definitely followed that up with "Here we go again"

[@katalyst_]

"Here we go againn"

[@DragonKhy]

“Nah, I’d win.”

[@robertmuggeridge4736]

Noticed that line about sensing a dark forgotten sister, can't help but think that's it noticing the approach of the Veil on Nezereks ship during the collapse and what that means for the final shape.

[@robinwells5343]

It is crazy how all the oldest lore does seem to go perfectly with what's happening now. I still believe the story has been changed no end since its initial inception but they've done a remarkable job looking back at the old lore and ensuring the new content fits with it. They don't really get the credit they deserve for this part of the destiny development over the years

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Well, Ghaul discovered ONE essential truth from the Traveller, it's Light can only be given, NEVER taken.

[@lilvampire7439]

I don’t know about that. He took it pretty well, it’s just that he did it literally RIGHT IN FRONT of the traveler. If he did this anywhere else, the traveler probably wouldn’t have done shit

[@williamschock3240]

I'll say this too, you're right, but what might happen if the traveller already blessed someone with the light like the witness?

[@TheNecroMeister]

​@@williamschock3240 That's when the ghost just might say screw you and F$#@ off

[@_The_Seeker_]

We still don’t understand The Traveler, the philosophy is most likely us trying to understand something like religion.

[@kogden8110]

@@lilvampire7439it might seem this way but guardians have strong fate manipulation. As soon as ghaul took the like for himself forcefully he was destined to be killed by us and subsequently the traveler

[@silverthehero1295]

Love that past lore makes so much sense now looking back, like referring to the Witness as a false sister before learning about it. I also feel bad for Zavala; he tried to stay loyal for so long thinking the Traveler was silent when really it was crying out but he couldn’t hear it.

[@clifflenoir4323]

The Traveller records the memories and feelings of the lifeforms it uplifts. This explains how the Ghosts can bring copies of the Guardians back to life: they link to a last-known backup within the core of the Traveller. I think the Witness wants to cause hopelessness and suffering to the people linked to the Traveller in order to cause IT emotional pain, with the goal of causing it to give up or at least to stop running. What do you think Evaze?

[@DageD214]

Over the years, learning more about the lore, what I understand is that every civilization the traveler helps to evolve. They never truly understand it, but when things fall apart, they blame the traveler. Look at the witness civilization, there selfish greed and desire. Made the traveler leave them. They had everything and yet they wanted more.

[@hugoguzman4985]

The Traveler literally dips as soon as the Black Pyramids show up, how tf are the Eliksni NOT supposed to blame the Traveler?

[@beneathawell]

@@hugoguzman4985One of the prophecy weapons talks about an "Orb that speaks in lies, upending futures in its path." Every civilization has both a rushed Golden Age and a rushed collapse because of the Traveler. It knows the Witness follows it and it knows it must flee when it arrives. It knows what the Witness does to these civilizations. And it has tried to leave us before, during WQ. The Traveler is not our enemy but not entirely our ally.

[@SilverZeta335]

Its been a very long time since I played d2 main story, I dont even remember that cutscene at all. Wish it was possible to play it once again.

[@LordTonzilla]

The Traveler feeling trapped, as if by webs, may have something to do with the spell she taught to that human to pull the Traveler down to earth or whatever other means of deception she used to convince the Witness to leave the system.

[@psycoklown8461]

What of erogor, the black fungi

[@ProtoMario]

I said the traveler spoke, I never said.... IT SPOKE TO ME!

[@Xenictent]

It was actually “I speak for the Traveler, I never said it spoke to me.” Not, “I said the Traveler spoke” (Not trying to sound like a buzzkill)

[@hurtchain5844]

Thx for the memes

[@jesush.christ9539]

I wonder if we will be crowned as the new "Speaker" once The Final Shape happens

[@DomiBlueShellz]

I feel Like we are more likely to become the travelers equal or even stronger

[@jackmartin998]

That thumbnail artwork goes all kinds of hard

[@tec1122]

10:58 could be referring to the black stuff that was on the light in the beginning of the lightfall campaign

[@abdelhafidguichi2963]

I love how this new information corrects the idea that The Speaker could actuallly hear the traveller and only lied to Ghaul

[@SavathunSussyImpostor]

Speaker armor would be so cool..

[@Varion117]

I think the webs the Traveler refers to is the veil. I believe they used to be connected. And I think when it says it wants to be a becon and call its children home I think its ALL of its chosen children. The fallen, the hive, and humanity.

[@jovialjesus7144]

I think when it speaks of calling his children home and becoming a beacon it may be referring to attracting the various races, eliksni, cabal and humanity and possibly the hive (lucent) to bring them together in the hope that it would grow into something that find common ground and collaboration in the fight against the witness

[@JonathanToole]

Could you do a video about how the traveler's speaker became the traveler's speaker?

[@IASEAGLE5]

It said... LIGMA BALL (terraforming pulse fires)

[@Clapperofcheeks5000]

Sukma bozz

[@paladinoran1112]

Thanks!

[@EvazeOfficial]

Thank you!

[@timar6868]

so now we know the Traveler was actually dead and had to wait a long time for rebirth, explains why it didn't help or do anything forever.

[@raz13l15]

Love the continued content. Big fan here, keep it up!

[@AgentZarkov_2133]

“The road to recovery is long”…. Or about a 5 hour campaign

[@Ironbreeze53]

All light returns to the pale heart…

[@Seeker_420]

And also Darkness

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

lol?

[@RainbowSkyDancer]

12:44 thinking this might have to do with pre last city age, where it called to ppl to found it, as it rests in its shadow, or did for a long time.

[@not.skywalker]

10:55 that would be savathun. she told people some incantation to draw the traveler closer and trap it on earth

[@Drascylla]

I wonder if the part "This false sister" maybe refers to the veil assuming these are indeed the travelers thoughts being merged with the speakers. We know the traveler and it are connected and were maybe at a point one whole. Perhaps both had separated due to a "family disagreement" of sorts and parted ways. The traveler may hold a degree of bitterness, calling the veil false sister could be its way of disowning them, to simply imply I don't recognize you as blood any longer.

[@Juicymoosie]

The thought of the traveler speaking to Ghaul without him realizing would be so cool

[@kainrulesful]

The line about the false sister makes me think of the black heart. And that perhaps it was used to stop the traveler from fleeing

[@GamingStar1995]

The travelers' Voice sounds like the Witness'. Like multiple voices speaking at once, but somewhat robotic in a way.

[@Joos2000]

"sacrifice leads to death" My hypothesis is that this is what the ghosts are looking for in a corpse. IE, if one has died died due to personal sacrifice, to save someone or something, one is brave enough to be worthy of the light.

[@imarih8896]

Uldren didn't sacrifice anything when he died.

[@Joos2000]

@@imarih8896 I’m not going to say that you are wrong but I think one could construe that he sacrificed everything for Mara. Just because he failed doesn’t mean there wasn’t sacrifice there.

[@MrMightyZ]

If I’m honest I am still excited to see what Bungie decide to reveal about the Traveler. Ever since D1 it’s been the thing I’m most interested to find out and I was intrigued by the Speaker and The Traveler’s silence. But now I know there’s been uncertainty at Bungie about “exactly which way to go with The Traveler” so I see it more like modern TV shows that drag the audience along with a mystery that’s unknown even to the writers so they just try to keep it as a mystery and I’m more nervous about the explanation being either incomplete or ridiculous than I am excited about finding out something cool.

[@sabiant.lawson2909]

Can you make a video of how destiny could coexist with other universes? And what universes can fit with destiny?

[@freakctc]

So, the speaker's needed to forge masks to help amplify the voice of the traveler. Didn't Clovis need to make some device or modification to hear from the witness to be inspired to make clarity? Interesting how the message is getting received, but not understood, and it leads to mental instability. Kind of makes you wonder about some characters.

[@robbit1189]

When we get stronger the traveler does too, so i would also assume the gardener, what if its the opposite with the winnower and the winnower is in some deep slumber and the witness is trying to bring the gardener and winnower together forcefully to create the final shape. But maybe the witness is almost borrowing its power so it makes it weaker and when the witness brings the gardener and winnower together it does the opposite and the winnower gets back its power and thats how we stop the witness because it weakens and flees. Or just simply the witness has some misguided purpose of the darkness and final shape when the gardener and winnower are already doing what they want and all the minds in the witness are what making it seem like its serving some higher power

[@ZENAphelion]

Man, every red war scene went hard

[@whathewhat]

"nah i'd win"

[@BaconVonStrip]

Still waiting on the speaker armor set

[@framilperdomo7673]

ever thought if the winnower was the one talking to the speaker and not the traveler what he thought he was hearing.

[@เสือดํา-ผ6จ]

So is there only one Speaker? How come he doesn't have a ghost? And why is he the only one that only has that mask? What class/subclass was he anyhow?

[@alchemill5592]

BINGGUS!

[@105thBattalion]

would the Traveller be safer if it left us? the Veil was only hidden deep in Neptune once the Collapse had started

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

No. If the traveler run then this fight with witness will never end. Delaying it is no point. The traveler found us and choose us to fight with it.

[@1leggeddog]

The nine? Could they be our planets? Representation of our solar system?

[@MrMalawk]

I wonder if we'll ever find out who created The Traveler? Maybe it was Jesus Christ, 😆 I have a feeling that when The Witness finally does die, it won't die it'll actually break down into the race that made it originally. Then we'll finally get a new alien race to fight!

[@Seeker_420]

I also thought about the theory that we literally pull the witness like a Accordion to splitt it and kill it... And Jesus or God is the Gardener inside of the paleheart^^

[@HaMediocreMan]

Don’t know about you but wish they brought back the speaker with a better story line

[@MrMadmark7]

what the traveler actually said. "Bungie upper management sucks"

[@katharomitroo4185]

don't know why but I feel like somehow the traveler would be some concept on a white hole. the inverse of a blackhole.

[@xnoorx]

It said: kwtd or kick

[@AsherRex]

Early comment section again woohoo 🎉

[@stevenlinquist3084]

Anybody else miss the red war

[@colesoileau]

Dude D1 was just IT. D2 arrived and the whole game was trash the entire time. Didn’t have the same feel at all and what happened before was WAY better

[@beasley_unborn6729]

What? Literally nothing in d1 shapes up to what d2 has become. Both games were ass at launch but d2s continuation has been phenomenal. This current season is the best season with loads of content and the story is built on well even if it's told terribly.

[@BigdogRick]

Dude what’s with all the porn bots I’m getting bricced up🧍‍♂️🤨

[@Kintsugi9914]

🤣