Evangelion Analysis Extra 01: The Angels, Origins and Motivations, the Fruit of Knowledge and Life

[@wiiztec]

I always assumed the angels were aliens, I mean one of them attacks from orbit for fucks sake

[@NB_Medic]

Ill admit I stop early cause i cant watch a amylase video that says the creators explanation is "stupid"

[@freshjnew]

Big facts it was a pedantic bit of rambling anyways

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

The Ancestral race isn't just "muh Aliens", they are metaphysical and beyond human comprehension and understanding for how the world works. It was introduced as just them introducing a death laser beam in a flying saucer, all we know is what Seele theorized, and it could've been just "muh Aliens" but they play so little if any part in the story, I accept it.

[@tokalerutla886]

The ancestral race is genius. It makes everyone see the religious imagry and think it's all god doing this to us but in truth we are doing it to ourselves.

[@SteubeMan]

i like the direction of this idea. There's certain types of philosophies that make God (esp. the Abrahamic God) out to be evil, when actually, no, He's not. He's the only Person interested in raising human beings to their full potential, as the persons He created them to be. How can that be evil? The ancestral race stuff is fascinating. However, I think the ancestral race is more akin to something like "fallen angels" than it is to a previous race of human beings. There is evil in the world, and it is fallen angels that tempt us toward evil. Human beings aren't inherently evil, but we are corrupted, and we end up putting ourselves through much misery because we feel our corruption is inescapable...but acting with this sort of hopelessness only makes us easily beguiled by the demons (i mean fallen angels). And a trick of the fallen angels is to make us believe we're just doing it to ourselves! That is, that we're the sole cause of our own suffering...but we're not! Anyway, it's funny how only Christianity aspires to preserve human personhood, albeit paradoxically, at the cost of our lives...whereas non-Christian religions and philosophies teach you how to preserve and develop your personhood, while in actuality, they destroy it...! Evil aspires to depersonalize people, and it does so by making them believe in fictional versions of themselves...this is where Kierkegaard's Sickness Unto Death comes in, which is the name of one of Eva's episodes...sorry this ended up being so long...

[@ohboy5999]

Nah

[@IntelligenceCorn]

Aww, I came here to hear about the ancestral race.

[@snakekans]

Yeah me too lol, I'm pretty okay with them being aliens, it makes it more plausible

[@BEATSofDevil]

Yeah the dude has no depth for perceiving cosmology and so in his ignorance he blocks off aliens ("extraterrestrials" to be exact which merely refers to life off the planet). But then vaguely says "religious"... Like that's any better Not to mention the cosmology associated with religion...

[@Pduarte79]

Is Giorgio Tsoukalos a fan of NGE? Lol You were looking for this kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYi5XpawjbyJnrs

[@gilbertopadilla3611]

@@BEATSofDevil The series has a lot of religious stuff in it. It sure seems like that was the original intent. If Anno later changed the origin of the angels, Adam and Lilith to being aliens... Why did he focus so much on making obvious Christian references in NGE?

[@BEATSofDevil]

@@gilbertopadilla3611 religion and cosmology aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, if you're learned a little more deeply in either you find many point out that their intrinsically connected Which is why I said "not to mention the cosmology associated (really should be "related") to religion"

[@dugonman8360]

This is why I kinda love the american evangelion fandom and why I think the lack of understanding the japanese otaku culture makes this discussion really really fun. One half put a hell of a lot of thought into the kabbalic/christian symbolism while the other half says he just put it in for show and fluff. The answer is honestly on the middle and it makes swallowing the FAR a lot simpler and makes more sense. Anno and the guys at gainex are huge ultraman fans. Most western anime fans don't know crap about ultraman but those who do know that ultraman and all subsequent ultra shows have heavy christian overtones due to its creator and his family, eiji taubaraya, being devout catholics. Anno wanted to have an overarching theme to the show like other super robot shows like raideen and ideon did so he most likely used christianity as yet another nod to his favorite franchise, where the ultras are treated more like angels then aliens and I doubt he used it in a contemptable way as nothing in the source material shows a distaste towards it. The symbolism is fluff, but it was used to corroborate with the underlining themes of the show, as what symbolism is supposed to do. Essentially they're both right. People either don't know or don't want to believe that the biggest influence to annos work weren't kierkegaard or godard or kubrick but the shows return of ultraman and the British sci fi show UFO. Thats right, your favorite piece of anime art was inspired by japanese power rangers and British puppet shows and theres not a damn thing you can do to change it. Haha!!

[@xetchrono2034]

Cool

[@SteubeMan]

lmao bruh while i'm beginning to understand how otaku culture and the hikikomori condition influenced Eva (though that really only becomes abundantly apparent in the rebuilds), you simply can't disregard the influence of Western occult themes, especially as they manifest themselves in Western sci-fi. Eva's just a bit too consistent with this stuff for it to be fluff... Granted, you start out by saying it's somewhere in the middle, but then you end up suggesting fluff. It's quite likely that Anno was hoping to convey something very deep and sinister through the trappings or conventions of pop culture--something like Japan's national identity crisis in the context of international conspiracy and geopolitics (that is, the rise of technocracy), as well as how maybe Japanese people can respond on an individual basis...but this theme of personal identity is universal, and I would say Eva presents it with broader appeal than just Japan... I just finished watching Welcome to the NHK for the first time and realized how much it also has in common with Eva, and it's very much directed at Japanese otaku culture, more directly than Eva. But even it has broad appeal, because the psychological situations depicted in the main character are quite relatable regardless of your culture of origin. That is, we're all human, and the singular goal of evil in its myriad of ways is depersonalize us. Eva attempts to provide a solution, however, I think it ends up falling into its own trap

[@slothrop9345]

Evangelion isn't really all that invested in Christianity. It's more interested in Apocryphal and Apocalyptic Judaism.

[@wiiztec]

"tried to contact Asuka"? so you didin't interpret it as an intentional psychological assault? Why?

[@machiavelli612]

maybe the angel couldn't determine whether or not psychological attacks or simple one on one contact were the same thing, I'd imagine it wouldn't have that great of awareness on human interaction. but fair point

[@lustreaux]

i think something that is interesting is how lilith is described as the mother of demons and anno has said the evangelions were designed after oni (a supernatural demon, troll, devil or ogre) and incidentally which was the only evangelion that was cloned from lilith? the one that goes berserk

[@animeboimase1982]

They all go berserk

[@tjdude09]

Love these videos argent, huge fan of eva and enjoy your analysis! Keep em coming please!

[@Argent7771]

Any thoughts on how many I should put up a week I have up to episode 8 done I don't know if I should do two every weekend or more or what?

[@tjdude09]

I think once-twice a week is great. I only really expected one episode a week personally. I am usually too busy during the week to watch many videos but I do find myself watching most of your videos during the weekends but I might be in the minority with that.

[@sam3drinks]

Excellent alternative take on the universe, interesting watch!

[@eddy-fw7hv]

I welcome all theories they are all equally interesting

[@drdispekful747]

This is just you digging your heels in on the Christianity symbolism even though it’s been explicitly stated that it’s notthatdeepbruh. If the series was made specifically for a western audience who was familiar with these stories then sure, you’d have a case. But it was made for a population with about a 1% Christianity rate. And the parallels seem to be nothing more than shiny decorations for a different story. What you call a “lazy” or “stupid” explanation really just boils down to you not understanding what the series is and who it was made for.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

And this is one main reason why Japanese people think westerners are stupid. Thinking a show that was made with western religions and beliefs in mind when most Japanese or Asian people don't even believe in most religious nonsense and even have our interest at heart when creating shows. The guy who created this video is an idiot or clueless on what he's talking about.

[@SteubeMan]

Hey bruhbruh there are simply too many symbols and patterns of Western Sci-Fi and occultism in Eva to ignore. You miss out on a lot if you downplay or disregard those themes. Man becoming God, either through technological or psychological means--that shit's steeped in occultism, alchemy, whathaveyou, themes and subjects as old as humanity itself.

[@SteubeMan]

In short, refer to Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke

[@antoneymiller2806]

The trees of knowledge and life are kind where the First Ancesteral Race come in. The tree of knowledge gave human the knowledge of god, to see the dualistic nature of the world around them and the tree of life would have gave them eternal life. So had they eaten both they would have become gods equals. The FAR is just a reference essentially to what humans could become if the had both, which is what they were trying to avoid with the spears.

[@Pduarte79]

And I assume the ginenirmous waifu Goddess Rei becomes in EoE.

[@Weiss_Hikari]

The take on the fruit of knowledge is interesting, but I’m not clear on if you’re saying the series or if it’s your own interpretation of the fruit. Many versions of the Bible state it is the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil as opposed to knowledge in general.

[@EvansdiAl]

There is an anime called Nadya. Anno made it. It is about extra-terrestrials coming to Earth. They build humans, and the first one, a prototype, is a giant the size of Lilith in Evangelion. They also travel in huge spaceships the size of cities, as the size of Geo-front.

[@dances_with_myself9305]

I feel like the angels are sentient due to the interacts Asuka and Rei had with two angels One invaded Asuka's mind scarring her possibly due to incompatibility and the inability to understand One tried to merge with Rei on a physical and emotional level That's just my interpretation *Edit* We define sentience on what we know and can't imagine the mind of another type of life

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

The way I see it is that the Angels are self-aware, but since they lack the Fruit of Knowledge like Humanity/Lilins they're irrational beings. Humans can think rationally and materially but Angels just go off of some kind of pure emotion or intuition. The excption is Kaworu, my head cannon is that souls in Eva work like software and brains/bodies are hardware; because of that Kaworu knows what the world is like for both Angels and Humans

[@siddiqsmouse5004]

I love that you're referring to these ancient religious texts as "canon" lol.

[@pronerd5761]

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY LMAO

[@ls200076]

@@gabogonzalez9428 Flaming wheel with eyes: Be not afraid.

[@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu]

Cannon refers to any within a series Old testament, new testament etc. So he is correct

[@Dimovuha222]

FAC is not actually a retcon, it was introduced in Manga which is different canon from NGE.

[@Rijuo]

Believe it or not in episode 21 it was implied at a point of the F.A.R

[@lorenzohernandez9281]

I really like the video and information you put into this. Thanks.

[@dorabyrne]

I was kind of put off at first, but I'm glad I stuck around for the Les Mis reference!

[@alexbenavidez4500]

You literally bring up the point of humans being unable to comprehend the Angels state of existence and the will And you described it as alien yourself So I don't understand why you'd dismiss the notion that they're not of this world, especially when you clarify they're nothing like it

[@assordante2205]

They go to great lengths to make this symbolic of religion, but then also all of a sudden, aliens? Just call it God. God sent the Adam and Litllith. Don't bring aliens into this for no reason.

[@alexbenavidez4500]

@@assordante2205 They didn't really go to great lengths which is kinda funny, Hideaki even admits all the religious symbolism and elements were added for aesthetic and didn't have a deeper meaning and what is Gods and Angels in religion if not extra-terrestrials? Especially when we're talking the birth of Earth itself. We're talking about the seeding of Earth with life, so those doing the seeding and creating Adam and Eve would have to be not of Earth origin if they precede it

[@The1776er]

Love your video man! As someone that is also well versed in biblical, Jewish, and side biblical text, you said so much of what I also thought when watching Evangeline. Keep up the good work.

[@spectrumthevideogame7167]

I wanna see a spinoff where humans stop the 3rd impact and master the Angels and become a spacefaring civilization exploring other worlds and civilizations affected by the First Ancestral races Egg/Moons helping races prevent or initiate their own Impacts fighting new angels. That would be dope!

[@caav56]

To quote creators of Adeptus Evangelion from /tg: "Spacevangelion (GOD we need a better name for this):By the end of the angelwar, we have reality bending AT Fields, S2 engines, and binary weapons that ignore conservation of mass and energy, and antimatter projection weaponry. Fast-forward 300 years to a truly bizarre future founded on these technologies, as humanity first leaves the solar system to explore a galaxy filled with worlds where beings like Adam and Lilith saw their work come to fruition. The FAR may be long gone, but their creations are still around, running on ancient programs. Programs in which the presence of Humanity has no place. "

[@Pduarte79]

Or see Avatar and we become the other worlds angels lol.

[@Pduarte79]

@@caav56 Is that a manga or fan fic?

[@caav56]

@@Pduarte79 Fanmade tabletop game.

[@Pduarte79]

@@caav56 So isn't canon.

[@monsterrogerwqt]

the whole basis of the series is about science and love..or feel..its the balance of aggression vs sacrifice

[@00Boogie]

I think the aliens and Great Ancestral Race nonsense could work as SEELE misunderstanding what they were dealing with. Having mystery and withholding from the audience is fine, but SEELE itself needed to at least think it knew what was going on to justify building giants with armor for people to pilot. I just think it would be funny if the Apocalypse was caused by a bunch of humans who thought themselves wise, but had no idea what they were meddling in.

[@Argent7771]

I will do a supplemental episode like this on instrumentality but my understanding of SEELE's goals was that they were a Gnostic cult who wanted to return everyone to the world soul, however as they were the illuminated masters they would become the driving force of the unified beings personality and perhaps to a certain extent remain separate. The ultimate goal of Gnosticism is to cast aside the physical body, end the cycle of reincarnation and return to the one or the world soul.

[@00Boogie]

So who do they think is the Demiurge? Lilith? Adam? Also, trying to wrap my head around how Kaoru existing doesn't cause the Apocalypse because he's very human and as powerful as he is the only thing that stops him is his conscience. Have the rebuilds pulled the trigger on the peoples settled on other planets, or is this just a wimpy way of kicking the can down the road to avoid going all in on theology?

[@00Boogie]

Mulling it over, an argument could be made SEELE itself is the Demiurge. The EVAs are imitations of the primordial man they witnessed with fear and envy. Whatever unspeakable things they're doing with Lilith might parallel the wicked acts of the Demiurge and his archons with Eve's body. Gendo's shitty relationship with Shinji is similar to the Demiurge's haughty attitude towards man, all the while needing Shinji for that which is impossible for SEELE in their madness/idiocy.

[@Argent7771]

Do you think they wanted to become Aeons and be the dominant force within the Godhead?

[@00Boogie]

Plausibly. They definitely wanted to be asserting their egos, otherwise they would have sought unity by more conventional means. The point of the technovoodoo would be to impose their wills and be in the driver's seat, rather than a handful of voices within billions (trillions?) of souls. Or they're painfully aware they're such shitty and self absorbed people that the only way they could achieve unity with a higher being would be to cheat.

[@JorgeRodriguez-zc7fc]

I wonder why the other stuff is taken down, but not this. There must be a sufficient reason.

[@Argent7771]

Oh that was me, I decided that I had to space things out a bit more since I had released a bunch of stuff over the weekend and the Southern Reach Video Monday night, so I was giving an extra day in-between.

[@jojolafrite90]

Aliens did make sense.

[@OTW18]

First Ancestral Race = Ahmen Beings/Rizq/Annunaki Ano (or how ever you pronounce his name) is right. The thing with them being extraterrestrials is a disclosure move.

[@Jack-eu5vu]

Adam and Lilith didn’t per say eat the fruits of knowledge and life, they were born with the fruits in the black and white moons. The lance has the power to seal away Lilith and Adam, but only when they are stabbed/ connected to the lance, not when you hit one with the spear they become dormit. But who is the angel in the middle; the green one? Edit: never mind; that’s the lava angel

[@BrickChick]

The aliens twist was amazing . what are you even talking about dude. You mention Cthulhu which is odd because lovecraft is filled with aliens. Bruh wtf

[@irishcream9004]

How did they kill the first three angels? And how did the knowledge of angels not become public.

[@irishcream9004]

Also rei is basically a broken down car in the health department

[@ywnrnf6028]

They didn't kill the first two. Adam and Lilith are the first "angels" even though they aren't Children of Adam.

[@BitterSteel69]

Love love love your comments about Anno's later supplemental explanations about the Great Ancestral Race and all that jazz. Your idea of a more mysterious, esoteric and religiously derived lore is much more compelling. So much of the original Eva is highly subject to interpretation, which is a fundamental characteristic of any truly great work of art. I think like many great artists, Anno channeled something that he felt but didn't necessarily understand fully at the time. Unlike an artist such as a musician however, Anno is dealing with a narrative-centric art form, and with that comes the temptation to look back and try to make more sense of it to the audience as well as himself. The fact that we can watch the original series and be dazzled by it in its symbolic, mysterious, albeit imperfect glory is proof that the supplemental explanations are not only unnecessary, but as you said cheapen the whole thing. I think it's pretty clear that he sort of came up with everything as he went, and that's a big part of why it's so transcendental and great. This is why I'm hesitant to watch the rebuilds, combined with the not so great things I've read about them. Although the idea of polishing up the series with a better budget and more freedom sounds great in theory, I think the essential spark of inspiration is missing which ultimately made the original so good, despite the limitations that were imposed on it. I'd love to see a video about your take on the rebuilds compared to the originals.

[@KardasheviteUltravisionary]

Even in a religious context deities and angels/demons are aliens relative to humans; they're just the C'thul'hu type of aliens in that they're beings so far removed from humanity that to us they blur the line between science and the supernatural, opposed to the X-Files type of aliens that are just as material as humans but have insanely more advanced technology compared to humans. Anno could've just as easily named the FAR the "Pantheon of the Ancients" or whatever and they would still serve the same function in Eva's narrative.

[@dogma9609]

if F.A.R. doesnt exist, then who sent sent Adam to earth? who wrote the dead sea scrolls?

[@k4yser]

Argent there is a point to your attitude ignoring what the producers of the series said about the content afterwards. Evangelion makes to many ppl watching it for the first time little sense. The explanations given from the ppl who worked on it made it even worse (at least for me). Your insight actually manages to connect the many threads, and all that is left to me are 2 questions: 1. was it intentional what they made/or just a result of luck inspired by visual factors (names, religious symbols etc) 2. if it was intentional then why did they try to hide the spiritual/religious meaning behind it

[@Argent7771]

Its hard for me to say for certain but another example of what I am talking about is George R. Martin he states his series is a deconstruction and he set out to attack patriarchy ect, but despite that to a large extent the series celebrates the things he is attacking. Regardless of his stated opinions it is clear that he is a man at war with himself.

[@Argent7771]

For instance in my book (that I will eventually publish) I intended it to be a really depressing tragedy about the hopelessness of them modern world. However people who read it say that I am too much of a romantic and a christian to truly right something like that and convinced me to change the ending to better reflect what I would up producing instead of what I thought I was.

[@Argent7771]

+k4yser also as I said in my Dark Souls Story video I am resolving cases where there's differing information and adding in some headcanon and extrapolation to fill in the gaps. My goal wasn't to come up with an explanation that's 100% in line with interviews. (although given the number of retcons and contradictions it's impossible to be in line with what they've said) to try to come up with a coherant narrative that's faithful to the themes and as much as possible The lore of the show

[@k4yser]

tough call to make.. im not sure if you should change the ending, because it changes the a substantial part of your story, which is a reflection of your ideas (hence yourself). on the other hand might the feedback adress personal blindspots which enrich the experience of your book. im an atheist and to be honest, its not only that i dont mind the christians inspiration, i find it very interesting to hear from a christian perspective. i was born in the former gdr and socialist countries are actively disencouraging religious thougts (there is only one god and its called the state), which resulted in me simply not being able to believe in a god. that doesnt change the fact that there is something to learn from religious perspectives. the evangelion series you just started is a perfect proof of it. this was the 2nd anime i ever watched and i liked it very much, but i wasnt able to make much sense out of it. you provide something i wasnt able to see.

[@scutumfidelis1436]

Argent I had idea for a Christian fantasy novel too the book of enoch seems like a fantastical place to get ideas from imo.

[@LoboLoco300]

Genesis 6 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. The main reason for the fload was not the "watchers" or the "super beings" (the giants). The main reason was the "wickedness of man" and the "imagination of the thoughts of his heart".

[@shusterandy]

Now that's very interesting it kinda sounds like Evangelions scenario.

[@KnifeChampion]

Not sure about the need to avoid spoilers since anyone who hast already seen the show is unlikely to be watching this video...

[@ywnrnf6028]

The whole FAR criticism is just that: a criticism. Eva going in the direction of aliens is fine, but it ultimately adds nothing to the series. There's no net loss or gain. Its just kind of nothing.

[@juube360]

I'm open minded about a biblical explanation and a F.A.R explanation. I just hate the idea that the seeds of life which are just orbs of light in their purest form, had to be transported to earth in sayian pods. Something about that explanation seems alittle off.

[@assordante2205]

I love how this started. My reason for the ancestral race not existing is because it's stupid 😂 Idc about the ancestral race one way or the other, I just like the bluntness lol.

[@BEATSofDevil]

"Aliens" definitely doesn't cheapen it. That's just your shallow perception of cosmology. But at least we know at the beginning of your video that it's probably a waste of time. Not being able to understand the depth of cosmology doesnt make the content non coherent or stupid. It just speaks about your level of understanding

[@EvansdiAl]

Eva 01 is no clone of Adam, is Clone of Lilith

[@cybersquidarmysquid8346]

What aneat documentary the show and movie was

[@janszepielak3511]

your story story about the trees was totally different to the one in actual Bible.

[@janiksla334]

I think we can throw away any resemblance to any non-Asian religion since Christians/Muslims and other make tiny (single digit %) fraction of Japanese culture. Evangelion (like most Japanese shows) use it to look cool, much like US-EU use old Greek/Roman gods and myths. At best it's pandering to international community...

[@nope7832]

Jan Iksla i wrote a story with shinto gods even though there are no practitioners here. It's pretty bold and ridiculous to give intent like that to writers you've never met. They could've been absolutely obsessed with western theology while doing this. It's ridiculous to assume anything.

[@ohboy5999]

Yhea I don't like Evangelion being about "Aliens" Humanity vs aliens is a trope that has been done to exhaustion, Evangelion was the only media that took the Judeo-Christian tradition and dare to play with it

[@jakstorm3180]

Fox news reported sightings of Rameal above New York lol.

[@DowntownTasty]

Is it ever explained where the angels come from? From what I remember they just kind of appeared right? Were they lying dormant somewhere or what? I thought Adam wasn’t able to open his doors of guf yet? Lots of open ends in the original series.

[@juube360]

From my understanding. When Adam exploded. The angels were scattered, little baby angels. They all grew (developed) at different times... Some flew off into space and some ended in oceans and lava pits.

[@lucasbechtol4126]

So, I'm late to the game, sorry. I understand your take on the death of the author and I agree. The story should be on its own merit and not on the intention of the author/director/actor/etc. In other words, the creator isn't God, the story is God. So, you not accepting the First Ancestral Race is fine because they are never directly mentioned in the show or the movies. We can disagree on how stupid it is, but that's beside the point. What I'm here to say is that the First Ancestral Race is NOT a retcon. They are mentioned in the Evangelion proposal two years before the show aired (wiki.evageeks.org/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_Proposal), which proves it was something he was thinking about and likely intended for the series, as there is nothing in the series that directly contradicts it. Again, I'm fine with your belief in it being bullshit and stupid and whatnot. But to call it a retcon is, quite honestly, incorrect.

[@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu]

Anno isnt dead? I never Liked the Idea of the Angel's being human whose "Dissolved" human forms. I hate Eva but finds it really interesting. But man the Fans are so ANNOYING. The series end IS BULLSHIT! Retcon personified. But LOVE Anno reshaped in the rebuild which I REALLY like.

[@TheCubecrafer]

But this not all the ancestrall race are the celestials so if the angels and lilith merge all human life and all souls get transported and remade it a superbeing A CELESTIAL. If you want to read more of them read marvel comics.

[@assordante2205]

I know this anime makes nearly 0 sense quite often and there's tons of plot holes, but honestly, how tf did humans just take a soul out of a thing and put it into another thing? They didn't even bother explaining. How do you quantify a soul? How did they know they had it? What does it look like?

[@ayrahn7893]

It actually makes far more sense than memes make it out to be lol. Also the author not explaining every single detail of a story doesn’t amount to plot holes. Recommend not learning art criticism from CinemSins.

[@monsterrogerwqt]

love vs science..or vise versa

[@redjirachi1]

I wish the Book of Enoch was canon. It is really interesting

[@gentalrobots3988]

Wait but if the ancestral race was bs then what the hell was Lilith’s egg in NGEEOE?

[@DelightfulTyrant]

Script. Your. Intro. The ramble at the front of the video is very off-putting. Take this as constructive.

[@vanpeterson6563]

What the angel in tbe middle of the honey cone diagram

[@machiavelli612]

2 years late with this response but sandalphon, the 8th angel

[@blakena4907]

I don't get it. The First Ancestral Race is basically irrelevant to the story, we don't seem to get any real lore regarding them. Why make such a big deal out of it? This comments purpose isn't to gripe or complain, more curiosity.

[@Pduarte79]

I never watch the Rebuild movies yet. But the FAR is mentioned there or is just a fan fic? But to talk about NGE lore, sadly u must spoil it, or unless it becomes confusing. And canonicity isn't base on personal bias, u should know that. Basically doesn't depends on personal liking or not liking, or understanding or not. Is like saying "I hate the Starwars prequels and the new sequels, so they aren't canon". That's so millennial and gen Z thing to do. That isn't how canon works. Saying this, only makes this video subjective, instead of objective. The author/creator is the God of his/her work, meaning they are the ones who decide, what is canon or not, not me, you or any John or Mary out there. Dude for example, I hate the all midichlorian thingy, is lame, but sadly is canon.

[@Rijuo]

FAR are indeed Canon.

[@Pduarte79]

@@Rijuo Thanks

[@343blech]

Yeah no you cant just deny canon because you think its stupid. Its an anime, whatever the creator says goes. You didnt create it. Its not real life, its not always supposed to make sense.

[@Argent7771]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author

[@crazykiddeath]

@@Argent7771 That talks about separating the content from the author, not the content from the content. Please highlight which part that encourages a person to pick and choose the content that they favour and ignore that which they don't, it isn't "interpreting" if you just ignore it.

[@plaguemarine7767]

they come from space dude...their not earthling so by default their aliens.....*Shrugs*

[@monsterrogerwqt]

its ok..u tried..actually ur looking for a reaction..but u dont know what ur talking about..its pretty hard for some 1 to call a show stupid..which opened the future for anime and manga..if any 1 is stupid..u try make something better..instead of saying its stupid..come up with ur own anime..no wonder the creater doesnt like people..

[@bradboaldin9772]

I agree. Outright ignoring input from the creator of the series is silly. But I think at least listening to outside views is beneficial because it will either solidify your preexisting belief, or you’ll come to see things you didn’t before, and you can merge those two analysis into your own. Which to me is the point of the show. It’s about finding the middle ground between your perception and everyone else’s. You can’t just listen to one or the other because it’s only part of the equation.

[@OvranoPhanekh]

Disregarding Anno's flip flopping of the lore (which I think may be intentional, the video Curse of Evangelion could explain it to be since Anno is disappointed that people ignored the crucial message of Eva: Anti-escapism), the Watcher idea does make a lot of sense. If the nondualistic unity of Humanity in Instrumentality is the goal of the gnostic cult of SEELE, it goes directly with what the Watcher's potential philosophy was, if the Angels of NGE were really Watchers; Human Instrumentality is the weird monadic eschaton of many gnostic and occult/enlightenment ideas, directly opposed to the Orthodox restorational eschatology of God.

[@dylanperea4448]

Lmao why is everyone talking shit about you talking about how the show was obviously inspired by Christian belief's, Jewish belief's, and physiology (probably choose the wrong word)

[@crashmatrix]

I think you've put too much weight on what has 'officially' been said about the FAR explanation. I think Anno was/is just trolling those who can't accept that there is no logical in-universe explanation for the Angels. They are there because the story requires them to be. Nothing more. EVA is not 'about' this lore, it's about the character introspection and progression of Shinji's view on the world and himself. If Anno's public characterizations as a troll and spiteful antagonizer of his audience, especially towards those who don't "get" it, in his opinion, is to be believed all of this (online discussion) is meaningless drivel detracting from the main points of the series. EoE shows this as well, starting out by seemingly given the vocal and demanding part of the audience the ending they thought they deserved, with lots of action and the start of a grand finale, only to dive back into Shinji's psyche.

[@manuelcordova7349]

U think u know more than the creator

[@andreatoscano1488]

Nope

[@dc9277]

This show was uo its own ass too much.

[@tauempire1793]

Not trying to burst your bubble but the FAR are canon it has actually been proven so yeah sorry to say but your theory has been debunked

[@1stRateSerrvice]

What is the Angel in the center?

[@1stRateSerrvice]

Mark Tagaza Thank you. Idk why I was confused when I made rhis comment lol

[@kentcampbell122]

I think you might of applied your own interests and interpretations of aberhamic religion to this show before you let it at out, I don't see how the originators of life on Earth not being terrestrial in orgins would cheapen it. The non Christian creators wouldn't see much of a difference between the western idea of God and omnipotent entities who exist outside of Earth, in fact God would be an alien in that he didn't develop on Earth, would he not?

[@SteubeMan]

To add: Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke is an influence on Eva, I'm pretty sure. And in that book, aliens visit earth to impart knowledge about evolving mankind, if I remember right...and well, i think aliens are actually demonic, that is, fallen Angels...

[@kentcampbell122]

@@SteubeMan thanks I'll have to check that story out

[@hi_come_on_in4943]

Just watch the show again man- I think you barely understand anything. Eva is just stupidly complex most anything can be explained. But I mean It isn't your fault that you can't understand It's anno's for making such a odd show.

[@Pduarte79]

Is basically morally grey characters, with freudian complex and unsolved oedipus and electra complex, sprinkled with mechas, monsters, fanservice, cabbalistic lore and Boku No Shinji = NGE.

[@hi_come_on_in4943]

@@Pduarte79 You honestly aren’t at all wrong, Eva isn’t the perfect show, though even the fan-service in “Some” occasions can be viewed as a metaphor for man before sin, shinji and rei at that moment representing Adam and Lilith. Eh but who knows. Morally grey? I dunno, Gendo is willing kill and make others suffer for a selfish goal, thats pretty evil. Evangelion also has a plethora of references and inspirations from other shows, mainly Devilman and Ideon, bit this reaches to even outside anime, Space Odyssey could be attributed to perhaps having inspired the eerie atmosphere, the end of a child hood also a tale of biblical armageddon. So in the end, no one can truly understand the insanity that is NGE but that being said no one can call it ab objective bad show, not enjoying is fine but making an invalid critique without any proper evidence is honestly not a great Idea.

[@Pduarte79]

@@hi_come_on_in4943 I was being ironic. I like the show. The intention is "how u explain NGE without spoiling or revelling to much".

[@Pduarte79]

@@hi_come_on_in4943 U could consider Rei and Kaworu, ironically, u could consider as least grey characters, since they are basically demigods. Ps: And Pen Pen lol. Besides them, the cast is morally grey, meaning they are typical good guy/girl or bad guy/girl, that applies to the angels, when u dive deeper to myth, lore and what makes them tick. Even if u relate to Shinji, is basically mini Gendo, a typical millennial and Zs with the me!me!me! with a sprinkle of P3 Apathy Syndrome, depression is more related with apathy than sadness. When u are happy, u laugh, when u are sad, u cry. Depression is apathy mixed with the hedgehog dilemma. But that's beauty of NGE, they, the characters aren't cartoony, but realistic the majority of the times. Comparing with anime characters nowadays. And every straight dude likes fanservice 🥰.

[@monsterrogerwqt]

wtf r u talking about??

[@Hector-bj3ls]

I actually hate Evangelion. It's got some lovely animation and some interesting design aspects, but the bible crap is literally just that. Crap.

[@dogma9609]

what contradictions? can u give an example or two?