Evasion or Endurance? Throne and Liberty PvP Stat Breakdown

[@grobs4678]

Note:The 850 hit is just an average. You can easily stack up to 1000 hit if you focus all your equipment on it, and you also have conditional effects that give you extra hit for a short time. The 1000 Magic & Ranged Evasion and the 1200 Melee Evasion are really just the minimum you need to make Evasion useful. You should of course try to build even more :)

[@PixelatedMagikarp]

how hard is it to make an evasion build i wanted to make one but idk if ill be able to make it work

[@grobs4678]

@@PixelatedMagikarp what class are you playing?

[@fourmalave]

@@grobs4678 Hi, thanks for your super well explained video! With SNS and Greatsword for example ?

[@grobs4678]

@@fourmalave what do you mean?

[@fourmalave]

@@grobs4678 like an evasion build is it viable, with SNS and GS ? I suppose yes with melee and range evasion maybe

[@DarzerGG]

I’ve been looking for a video like this for almost a month. Your content is great, keep it up!

[@grobs4678]

nice to hear :)

[@Yamashiro-pai]

appreciate the simplification you went with 💖

[@grobs4678]

np :)

[@MarkAmbalong]

Such a good explainer video thank you Grobs ❤

[@grobs4678]

Nice! Thanks :)

[@pinie111]

Another great video 🎉 thanks for the quality content!

[@grobs4678]

np :)

[@mariotrombetta4105]

In my opinion this lets call them "Number mechanics" are what give sense to the base of the game. I'm up for more videos likes this also more indepth and complex. Awesome explanation Grobs, keep It up🤙🏻

[@grobs4678]

Thanks :) yeah lets see. until release if I have a few more planned and then lets see where I see the most demand.

[@CanaleInsensato]

I know it may sounds cheeky because it's the second time in a row I'm congratulating with you but you are reeeeally excellent at what you are doing, keep it up!!

[@grobs4678]

thanks :) I am trying my best!

[@issamelarmi]

Indeed. Straight to the point and well explained.

[@shymigrain9338]

Again another great video that I can post in my guilds discord.

[@grobs4678]

nice :)

[@marcellor9457]

A video about in depth UI/Keybind setup especially for targeting your grp etc as a healer perspective would be very interesting. Thank you so much for your videos :)

[@grobs4678]

In my next video I have something for general targeting but not especially for healing. But I hope that still helps :)

[@ImDevs]

Definitely the right level of complexity, great video! Thank you for simplifying. I’m a college student so I think I could understand all the crazy graphs and stuff, but I know a lot of people wouldn’t wanna put in the effort required to understand the complex math formulas and graphs and stuff.

[@grobs4678]

That is nice to hear. Yeah, I am really happy that I did the video one more time

[@ImDevs]

@@grobs4678 if you still have the first take maybe people would enjoy a part 2 and you can put a disclaimer at the start saying this is complex and not necessary for beginners and that your part 1 covers most of what you will need to get started , just an idea! Thanks again for the amazing content

[@grobs4678]

maybe in the future :)

[@Whatevs886]

Whoa a college student

[@ImDevs]

@@Whatevs886 woah a complete random

[@SenseiMourad]

Nice video as usual my friend :) If you remember me(met you ingame), I asked for Guardian guide and Cooking/Fishing guide. I really love and appreciate your work since new world guide (But sadly was on German and need to auto translate them maybe on Aeternum release you make English guides)

[@grobs4678]

thanks! yeah for sure I remember. But I don't think I will play New World for a long time :D so dont expect there any videos soon :D

[@karefool2494]

Love to see this type of content

[@grobs4678]

:)

[@R1GEL-ESP]

I love your videos, you explain it very well, don't worry for others :)

[@grobs4678]

thanks :)

[@iMiyake]

Useful info, thanks!😊

[@grobs4678]

np :)

[@Old-Babylonian]

At least your not selling this info like Joei trying selling ppl his build guide lol

[@D4Shahda]

😂😂😂😂 What a goon

[@grobs4678]

Thats just sad ...

[@Aechoic]

Incredibly helpful video

[@TheH3idy]

Really good stuff. Some ppl actually enjoy math and graphs. Maybe put it in another more detailed Video? Are there preferences between Evasion and Endurance in PvE? Does Endurnace affect the players hp, like in other mmos?

[@grobs4678]

Yes, that is true. Maybe I will do that in the future. For PVE, you usually don't need anything, but if you were going to do something, you would always use Magic Evasion to dodge skill attacks from the boss. No. Endurance just lowers your enemies Crit chance on you, as explained in the video. There is no additional effect.

[@MrRediaz]

Very nice explantion bro

[@grobs4678]

thanks :)

[@Josak-jsk]

Great videos, i am sharing it with my guild :)

[@grobs4678]

nice :) thanks

[@PrinceArtemis]

Oh great, its Black desert online all over again with evasion and defense. Greeeaaat, can't wait for everyone to abuse the evasion and it being the king stat in pvp.

[@grobs4678]

haha

[@MrSydjames]

You mean abuse endurance? Evasion is a shit stat. Greatswords will obliterate any build using evasion.

[@potatoneko5853]

I know alot ppl can handle it but striker with endurance is nightmare for me😑😑

[@musubito]

Thanks for the great video. I have a question, could you please explain how anomalies work? In particular, how do collision chances and collision resistance work?

[@grobs4678]

so there are different kind debuffs (mostly CCs skills and weaken). you can higher the resistance against those skills or higher chance to hit those spells. so you could simply resist those skills. thats just how I always understood it. But to be honest I never tested it. Maybe someone else can confirm :)

[@Azranihil]

@@musubito collision resistance is very important as a tank, getting proned is what kills you at end game. Good to stack some.

[@ecosti]

finally someone that does it the simple way , this is what youtube needs for TL simplify things expain it so even a baboon will understand. even if i know this things its so nice to see it in such a simplifying way. just i wish u added for new players to understand that yes while evasion seems broken its harder to get up there and u give up on many others stats dmg wise so choose wisely :D plus that we have 3 kind of armors in this game heavy light and rope as any mmo and each armor has only 2 kind of evasions not all 3

[@grobs4678]

yeah true could have expanded it a little ^^ would have been a nice intro to that... but maybe that would have been also too boring ^^ always hard to tell

[@ecosti]

@@grobs4678 mm i feel for new people that never played TL this kind of small things that might seems boring for us is great knowledge and little informations that would be very interesting , never theless dont take this as judgmental but as constructive feedback

[@grobs4678]

@@ecosti thanks mate! actually always looking for that :)

[@jinx6493]

Awesome video! Liked & subbed👍

[@grobs4678]

nice :)

[@YossLSV]

привет! это отличный гайд! я бы хотел посмотреть полный гайд с формулами, который ты почему то не выложил)

[@grobs4678]

maybe in the future

[@Azranihil]

earned yourself a subscribe bro, great video !

[@grobs4678]

thanks mate :)

[@haythamelsady859]

Your content is better than those shity famous content creators regards TnL

[@grobs4678]

thanks :) trying my best!

[@Shadowkapp]

Thanks a lot for this amazing video, one question though, does these stats do anything in PVE?

[@BroudonTietjen]

Can you do a video on what softcaps and hardcps are relevant for TL dungeons and bosses. For example what hp evasion endurance tanks need for certain encounters. How much evasion you need to dodge hard bosses etc. What hits required for mobs or bosses in dungeons. Does skill dmg reduce boss damge? It would be killer to get a quick overview of each roles breakpoints softcaps for each Stat and trait.

[@grobs4678]

skill damage resistence reduces the damage of skills so for example skills from the boss. the auto attack damage from the boss is not reduced. In PVE you dont need any special defesive stats even as a Tank. You dont need evasion, endurance or damage reduction. You just need to level your armor so it gets more base stats. The first 6 dungeons which we will have in the first month just dont require more :S

[@BroudonTietjen]

​in later game will it matter for PVE or is gear min maxing only for pvp @grobs4678

[@grobs4678]

​@@BroudonTietjen Mostly PVP. But people will still min/max stuff in PVE, but just to go as fast as possible :D but the direction from the devs is also heavily focused on PVE lately, so this will probably change.

[@leonardobarros4566]

so i think would be better for my sns/gs early mid and the begining of late game using endurance more, but for the real late game with very good stuff so make a evasion top tier build.

[@grobs4678]

tanks are really interesting. most people will say: you have to build endurance. I am still not 100% sure. Will do here calculations in the next weeks an will discuss them in an other video :)

[@Ankury-m1x]

Qualitativ mal wieder unschlagbar. Danke Grobs für den unbezahlbaren Content hier!!! Auf welchem Server wirst du bei launch starten? Hast du eine Gilde oder vor eine zu gründen?

[@grobs4678]

Danke für die netten Worte :) Ich weiß noch nicht, auf welchem Server ich spielen werde. Ja, ich habe schon eine Gilde. Ist ne hardcore PVP Gilde die ich mir rausgesucht habe. Der Server wird erst einen Tag vor dem Start ausgewählt :S

[@Ankury-m1x]

@@grobs4678 Bekomme immer wieder mit das für viele hardcore Gilden "Kazar" ganz oben auf der Liste steht. Bin mir auch nicht sicher. Wie bist du zu deiner Gilde gekommen? Darf man fragen wie sie heißt?

[@grobs4678]

@@Ankury-m1x Über Discord.hab einfach mal geschaut und nach etwas Seriösem gesucht^^ ja ne poste ich hier jetzt mal nicht

[@valkyriembdo7019]

Great job Grobs, earn a sub

[@grobs4678]

nice :)

[@NeonKix]

Thank-you! And even as a non-math person, I love the math! Don't listen to that kid! Math is great for those of us that are curious about the formulas.

[@grobs4678]

:)

[@bigdogang]

Perfect video thz

[@grobs4678]

np :)

[@jessesenpai6473]

can you do a guide on tanking and what skills to use sns and wand tank pve really liked your healing guide

[@grobs4678]

Yes I will do that but probably in 2 weeks or so.... till release I have the rest of my videos planned and I really just want to release videos in a decent quality :/ so you have to wait a little. But I will be playing a Tank on release and document my build for PVE and PVP on this channel :)

[@kippesolo8941]

No, make it complex if you want to, because that information is missing. Everyone else does videos based on what they feel like is worth doing. Important is also what percentage of the Players play what type, so Melee, Ranged, Magic to make a decision what you want to build for, also if you want to play in a way that you avoid as many of a certain class as you can. For example in pvp there whill be alot of Melee damage because dagger is used alot and gs also sns, as a sns/gs you will take alot of magic and ranged aoe damage in zergs. So my opinion is we need at least 2 sets for pvp and 1 for pve. Large and small scale pvp, because in a zerg as a SnS/GS you take alot of aoe damage from magic and ranged, in small scale you fight against another sns/gs or an gs/dagger and a bow/dagger alot of times, so more melee damage. I dont like it but Meta plays a role in this, but for the most part i think in Arena and small scale pvp it will stay kinda the same because of the forced roles.

[@grobs4678]

Yes, you are absolutely right, it is a lot about the meta. And I will do that kind of video in the next few weeks. But right now we dont know what the meta will be on the release. So many changes happening right now. So lets wait what the meta will be for large and small scale PVP and then we make an analysis on that. but you are completely right :)

[@maxbays7226]

more theorycrafting pls !

[@grobs4678]

haha yeah for sure :)

[@schloch.]

Sehr hilfreich!

[@grobs4678]

nice :)

[@alexdj6620]

I plan to play as a tank and have not yet decided whether to go evasion or endurance. What would you do in my case?

[@grobs4678]

PVE you ignore both. PVP you usually go for endurance (thats atleast meta^^ Im still not 100% sure)

[@alexdj6620]

@@grobs4678 i talking about pvp. thanks!

[@Fatebringer]

Should I build evasion or endurance for staff longbow

[@paulbarriosduque1101]

This is cool and all but you did not mention the fact ranged/magic evasion is only possible using daggers. Melee evasion is only viable in T2 but your stats will be fkd up unless you use Greatsword or...guess what, daggers. Focus specialization from staff may give you a chance to close the gap during some seconds, but now, playing with anything that is either ranged or magic is not worth based on the meta evasion build from OP daggers passive.

[@grobs4678]

Like this guide should not be a clear do this, do that guide. Because its just not easy like that. It should be explaining to people how it works^^ and your takes without context are just not really good. Are you talking about small scale, large scale or sieges? the meta is different everywhere. so in each type of content people will have different weapon combinations which then makes the value of evasion different. thats why people need understand how it works^^

[@dragunoventertainment1519]

Could you do a video with which weapon combos should build either evasion or endurance please, like for instance as a bow/staff I would build evasion right?

[@grobs4678]

bow/staff you go for endurance :) you have already the passive which gives you additional endurance. So you can get here really high endurance values :)

[@spaztika]

I can't make up my mind like a functioning adult- soo leave it to the masses. As an infiltrator endo or evasion? tell me which to go for xD

[@grobs4678]

totally depends...

[@Omenoffate14]

Do you have or can you make a healing rotation guide for PvP/PvE as well as tactics, positioning, priorities, everything lol

[@grobs4678]

I probably wont play healing on release. So lets see how I can manage that. It just make sense to do that on actual fights and we need to see what the meta will be... lets see. But I like the idea :S

[@ashtart6632]

Hi, is it make sence to build evaion for sns\dagger?) Because of a lot of passives?

[@grobs4678]

Yes it makes a lot of sense :)

[@Hellhunde64]

Is Evasion or Endurance relevant in PVE?

[@jimmymoye5042]

Hi, I've looked everywhere, and it doesn't exist.. Can you do a video on the Pros and Cons of running Dual crossbow or Dual daggers for beginners please.

[@mojitsu_]

You can't

[@radovancertik8421]

Excelent!

[@grobs4678]

:)

[@Pf0scht4]

every game with stats is a math problem ^^ dont panic

[@grobs4678]

haha true that

[@danzfloor1]

Thanks a alot....One a fresh server, would you rather go Endurance or Evasion as a SnS/GS f.e. in PVP early on? Do people have a lot of Crit at the begining or is Evasion way better in any aspect early on (becasue if enemy can't hit you he can't Crit you principle).

[@grobs4678]

It will really depend on what will be meta. So how much range, magic and melee damage will we have? Because you cant build easy magic endurance early on or even in T1. But a lot of people will currently just say that you have to go for endurance when it comes to Tanks. But I am really not sure especially in large scale PVP ...I feel like for Tanks the biggest weakness is Range/Magic Dmg. Every meele player will completly ignore you. But if I cant build a lot of endurance for that, is it then even worth it to go for endurance? But tanks utilize evasion not so good because then there high defensive stats and also shield block chance is a little wasted. But you probably see it is not that easy :D But I am currently calculating this and will upload a video in 1-2 weeks exactly for that :)

[@danzfloor1]

@@grobs4678 yup, it's rly not that easy. ^^ I've heard from different sources that Evasion is the way to go at begining....Because Endurance only counters Crit and Evasion basicaly everything (Crits included). Now from your experiance....Is there a lot of Crit early on in the game ? Or better asked, do early endgame builds have a lot od Crit? (Bcs people will probably follow metabuilds with global release). And are the high defense/block stats realy wasted....Because I thoughtif Evasion fails, block /defense should work as 2nd def layer (and if this also misses I get the DMG).

[@grobs4678]

​@@danzfloor1 people will have a lot of crit if they follow meta builds. they will have around 1-2k critical hit. mostly around 1,3k. except for tanks & heal. yes if evasion fails then the other stats work but every time evasion doesn't fail the Shield Block and armor is completely irrelevant. Thats why its somewhat wasted. But as mentioned I am doing here a calculation and will keep you updated :)

[@Tegood2]

Whats the link to that first thing you showed

[@grobs4678]

not quite sure what you mean

[@mattwill879]

Do you know how much hit most melee and caster have at endgame? Is there a soft cap we should shoot for with evasion?

[@grobs4678]

as mentioned in the video... most weapon combos have something around 850 hit. but then those weapon combos also often have conditional effects on how they get extra hit. thats why i mentioned anything below 1000 evasion is like you have 0 evasion... there is a softcap but that really doesnt matter because enemies will also always go more hit. If you stack it... stack it as much as you can... you almost cannot overstack it in the early game.

[@mattwill879]

@@grobs4678 I'll have to watch again, thank you for the clarification.

[@grobs4678]

@@mattwill879 if still are questions then... feel free to ask again

[@ademcicek5109]

and evasion usefull for pvp and pve but endurance just for pvp

[@grobs4678]

yeah. but to be honest evasion is also just not needed in PVE :S but you right :)

[@karaorman]

what better for dungeons help pls?

[@grobs4678]

you need nothing. for PVE you dont need endurance or evasion.

[@Metehan-w9q]

can Monster or Bosses crit in TL ? (never played TL preparing for the game)

[@grobs4678]

I am pretty sure that they cant crit. But not 100% sure. But never build endurance just for PVE. That would be for sure a waste!

[@Metehan-w9q]

@@grobs4678 ok thanks i asked because if so i would focuse more on evade since pve is my main prio. (will play tank)

[@grobs4678]

@@Metehan-w9q you also dont need really evasion... more important is "skill damage resistency" "max hp" and leveling all your items because they will have more base defense values then... I would highly suggest you to not waste your lucent for evasion :S

[@Metehan-w9q]

@@grobs4678 oh right i forgot about the base stats... :) ty!

[@Tomi611]

I have a question but i really want to know the answwer for it but i know ppl may be offended. So how bad is cheaters in the game? I just playerd open beta never played on korea. On korea we know ppl ar overall more honest and humble, But in EU there are countries where ppl are usually cheating if it's possible. To not to offend other country e.g I'm from Hungary i know we are extremely toxic,and we have let's say compared to other country avarage cheater rates. So the question is. Are there any cheaters? Or is there any chance the game will be instantly ruined by cheaters of EU?

[@BroudonTietjen]

There will be bots hackers and RMT players for sure. The best you can do is find players with like minded strats on how to enjoy the game. If you want to be the best on the server you will need to RMT through the AH or 3rd party, be a streamer like asmon who gets free stuff from followers. If that is not you, you will have to accept that you will be behind. Just pray that the devs dont ruin the game trying to fight the cheats like they did to bless unleashed.

[@grobs4678]

people in korea are more honest? I am not sure about that :D So yes, there are cheaters in Korea and yes, there will be cheaters in Europe. But there is nothing you can do about it. Just enjoy the game for what it is. Thinking about things like that will only ruin your experience.

[@Tomi611]

@@grobs4678 okay thanks so it's not cheating free game like speedhack or tp hack? I mean maybe they will get banned later, but they can cheat.

[@Tomi611]

@@grobs4678 So cheaters like speedhacking,botting or something like this can be in the game? Like in CS2 where even pros are quitting novadays because of cheaters?

[@Tomi611]

@@BroudonTietjen Thank you for answer, the p2w part i'm not counting, just like "hard" cheating like botting you mentioned, speedhack or teleport hacks, things like this.

[@bsoda69]

Hi, spill your PC build for this game pls :D

[@grobs4678]

not sure what you mean :D

[@bsoda69]

@@grobs4678 Share your PC build :D

[@grobs4678]

@@bsoda69 why? :D

[@PapaRabii]

I have a i5 2400 with a gtx 960, game is playable but runs at the low end, with 30 second load times in areas you tp to, but runs decent after you’ve been there a while. Roughly 60-80 fps outside of large cities, including large scale pvp. I wouldn’t recommend anything less than what I have. As long as your pc has better pets than that, you’ll be fine

[@PapaRabii]

Graphics card isn’t the issue but the processor is. If it’s better than what I got (probably is) you’ll be fine

[@randyriot1919]

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[@grobs4678]

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[@randyriot1919]

@@grobs4678 >:O

[@ademcicek5109]

bro hat is the most evasion in game ?

[@grobs4678]

what do you mean?

[@ademcicek5109]

İ mean what is the max evasion from gears and build for tank

[@grobs4678]

@@ademcicek5109 so really depends on what type of evasion. so including passives from sns you can get around 1.7k magic and range evasion with t1 gear. thats certainly not bad. but for tanks at the moment its more of an endurance meta. I am not 100% convinced about the endurance meta, but I will make a video about it in the next few weeks :)

[@copyc4t64]

Which server in KR TL has the most English speaking players? Lol

[@grobs4678]

actually not sure right now :D but is that really that important now? when the game releases in a week

[@produceratlantiz]

sounds like a scam. hold on, this is a scam. they want people to build 2 sets and waste real money at shop for it.

[@grobs4678]

no one would build an evasion and an endurance build ^^