Evasion or Endurance? Throne and Liberty PvP Stat Breakdown

[@grobsXO]

Note:The 850 hit is just an average. You can easily stack up to 1000 hit if you focus all your equipment on it, and you also have conditional effects that give you extra hit for a short time. The 1000 Magic & Ranged Evasion and the 1200 Melee Evasion are really just the minimum you need to make Evasion useful. You should of course try to build even more :)

[@grobsXO]

@@PixelatedMagikarp what class are you playing?

[@fourmalave]

@@grobsXO Hi, thanks for your super well explained video! With SNS and Greatsword for example ?

[@grobsXO]

@@fourmalave what do you mean?

[@fourmalave]

@@grobsXO like an evasion build is it viable, with SNS and GS ? I suppose yes with melee and range evasion maybe

[@grobsXO]

@@fourmalave yes sure. in the early game you can go really good melee evasion... later on it really depends on what is meta :D but most people would go for endurance :S but I am not sure yet what I will do... I might go early for melee evasion and then later for range/magic evasion

[@mariotrombetta4105]

In my opinion this lets call them "Number mechanics" are what give sense to the base of the game. I'm up for more videos likes this also more indepth and complex. Awesome explanation Grobs, keep It up🤙🏻

[@grobsXO]

Thanks :) yeah lets see. until release if I have a few more planned and then lets see where I see the most demand.

[@DarzerGG]

I’ve been looking for a video like this for almost a month. Your content is great, keep it up!

[@grobsXO]

nice to hear :)

[@wlyprecise]

Thank you

[@marcellor9457]

A video about in depth UI/Keybind setup especially for targeting your grp etc as a healer perspective would be very interesting. Thank you so much for your videos :)

[@grobsXO]

In my next video I have something for general targeting but not especially for healing. But I hope that still helps :)

[@leonlee1956]

Your video and explanation just hit the sweet point of being easy to understand and informative enough. I like your voice, tone and accent as well. Keep it up ❤

[@airhertz6969]

Oh god thaaaaanks, i was trying to find the formulaes and all i was able to find was general lines of texts that sorta explained how stats worked but not the equations and interactions. Much appreciated

[@grobsXO]

np :)

[@fhyzmydude]

Awesome video! i've been very confused how these work in combination with eachother and realize now i was VERY WRONG lmao cheers to the info!

[@grobsXO]

haha yeah I think this happens to a lot ^^

[@Lemo-music]

Very good explanation bro thanks a lot, pretty easy to understand

[@Yamashiro-pai]

appreciate the simplification you went with 💖

[@grobsXO]

np :)

[@shymigrain9338]

Again another great video that I can post in my guilds discord.

[@grobsXO]

nice :)

[@xentox5016]

Very good video! But i like the math part a lot! Would love to see a more detailed guide with all the formulas and graphs!

[@pinie111]

Another great video 🎉 thanks for the quality content!

[@grobsXO]

np :)

[@CanaleInsensato]

I know it may sounds cheeky because it's the second time in a row I'm congratulating with you but you are reeeeally excellent at what you are doing, keep it up!!

[@grobsXO]

thanks :) I am trying my best!

[@issamelarmi]

Indeed. Straight to the point and well explained.

[@R1GEL_ESP]

I love your videos, you explain it very well, don't worry for others :)

[@grobsXO]

thanks :)

[@Azranihil]

earned yourself a subscribe bro, great video !

[@grobsXO]

thanks mate :)

[@l2stuffs743]

Well you convinced me to subscribe, thx for the info!

[@ИлПастухов]

Thxs a lot. Perfect explanation and doc!

[@grobsXO]

you are welcome :)

[@hanzigreen]

I like math equations on games so you earn my subscription, keep it up!

[@KoldSoulGaming]

Good video my guy!

[@WhaazGoooD]

Phenomonal video! Subscribed!

[@grobsXO]

:)

[@Daniel-gn6xz]

Nice simple, short, well explained video.

[@grobsXO]

thx mate :)

[@SenseiMourad]

Nice video as usual my friend :) If you remember me(met you ingame), I asked for Guardian guide and Cooking/Fishing guide. I really love and appreciate your work since new world guide (But sadly was on German and need to auto translate them maybe on Aeternum release you make English guides)

[@grobsXO]

thanks! yeah for sure I remember. But I don't think I will play New World for a long time :D so dont expect there any videos soon :D

[@JIGxSHOW]

This helps a lot, great video!

[@grobsXO]

you are welcome :)

[@Josak-jsk]

Great videos, i am sharing it with my guild :)

[@grobsXO]

nice :) thanks

[@bombaa7448]

I was looking for such video for so long :P

[@grobsXO]

[@ivanr9408]

Yeah I wasn't super sure about the endurance but I. Already understood the evasion. This really helped. I knew endurance was anti-crit but I didn't know it worked all the time

[@grobsXO]

you are welcome :)

[@metagendev]

Thank you for this very useful video!

[@SentientBasil]

Incredibly helpful video

[@ecosti]

finally someone that does it the simple way , this is what youtube needs for TL simplify things expain it so even a baboon will understand. even if i know this things its so nice to see it in such a simplifying way. just i wish u added for new players to understand that yes while evasion seems broken its harder to get up there and u give up on many others stats dmg wise so choose wisely :D plus that we have 3 kind of armors in this game heavy light and rope as any mmo and each armor has only 2 kind of evasions not all 3

[@grobsXO]

yeah true could have expanded it a little ^^ would have been a nice intro to that... but maybe that would have been also too boring ^^ always hard to tell

[@ecosti]

@@grobsXO mm i feel for new people that never played TL this kind of small things that might seems boring for us is great knowledge and little informations that would be very interesting , never theless dont take this as judgmental but as constructive feedback

[@grobsXO]

@@ecosti thanks mate! actually always looking for that :)

[@karefool2494]

Love to see this type of content

[@grobsXO]

:)

[@ImDevs]

Definitely the right level of complexity, great video! Thank you for simplifying. I’m a college student so I think I could understand all the crazy graphs and stuff, but I know a lot of people wouldn’t wanna put in the effort required to understand the complex math formulas and graphs and stuff.

[@grobsXO]

That is nice to hear. Yeah, I am really happy that I did the video one more time

[@ImDevs]

@@grobsXO if you still have the first take maybe people would enjoy a part 2 and you can put a disclaimer at the start saying this is complex and not necessary for beginners and that your part 1 covers most of what you will need to get started , just an idea! Thanks again for the amazing content

[@grobsXO]

maybe in the future :)

[@Whatevs886]

Whoa a college student

[@ImDevs]

@@Whatevs886 woah a complete random

[@ziigii46]

Good idea on simplifying and putting the more complex numbers in description.

[@grobsXO]

yeah maybe I could have added some more details in the description

[@MrRediaz]

Very nice explantion bro

[@grobsXO]

thanks :)

[@iMiyake]

Useful info, thanks!😊

[@grobsXO]

np :)

[@evolitile]

Great video, Great info, Thanks for sharing :)

[@grobsXO]

thanks for watching :)

[@MarkAmbalong]

Such a good explainer video thank you Grobs ❤

[@grobsXO]

Nice! Thanks :)

[@jinx6493]

Awesome video! Liked & subbed👍

[@grobsXO]

nice :)

[@os_sama1149]

Great video my man I love it thank so much and I am looking for more content similar to this when t2 drops or in general 😂

[@TheH3idy]

Really good stuff. Some ppl actually enjoy math and graphs. Maybe put it in another more detailed Video? Are there preferences between Evasion and Endurance in PvE? Does Endurnace affect the players hp, like in other mmos?

[@grobsXO]

Yes, that is true. Maybe I will do that in the future. For PVE, you usually don't need anything, but if you were going to do something, you would always use Magic Evasion to dodge skill attacks from the boss. No. Endurance just lowers your enemies Crit chance on you, as explained in the video. There is no additional effect.

[@feight_28]

@@grobsXO False. Endurance also forces Minimum damage on Character.

[@grobsXO]

@@feight_28 only if you have more endurance then the enemy crit... that works only against tanks because otherwise people will always have more crit then you endurance ^^ but I explained that in the video

[@Insigniat]

You are a gem to tnl community. Nothing else needs to be said.

[@grobsXO]

wow thanks mate

[@singulant]

Super useful video!!!!!!

[@grobsXO]

nice :)

[@patriciootero8773]

Necessary video, thx

[@Ankury-m1x]

Qualitativ mal wieder unschlagbar. Danke Grobs für den unbezahlbaren Content hier!!! Auf welchem Server wirst du bei launch starten? Hast du eine Gilde oder vor eine zu gründen?

[@grobsXO]

Danke für die netten Worte :) Ich weiß noch nicht, auf welchem Server ich spielen werde. Ja, ich habe schon eine Gilde. Ist ne hardcore PVP Gilde die ich mir rausgesucht habe. Der Server wird erst einen Tag vor dem Start ausgewählt :S

[@Ankury-m1x]

@@grobsXO Bekomme immer wieder mit das für viele hardcore Gilden "Kazar" ganz oben auf der Liste steht. Bin mir auch nicht sicher. Wie bist du zu deiner Gilde gekommen? Darf man fragen wie sie heißt?

[@grobsXO]

@@Ankury-m1x Über Discord.hab einfach mal geschaut und nach etwas Seriösem gesucht^^ ja ne poste ich hier jetzt mal nicht

[@BroudonTietjen]

Can you do a video on what softcaps and hardcps are relevant for TL dungeons and bosses. For example what hp evasion endurance tanks need for certain encounters. How much evasion you need to dodge hard bosses etc. What hits required for mobs or bosses in dungeons. Does skill dmg reduce boss damge? It would be killer to get a quick overview of each roles breakpoints softcaps for each Stat and trait.

[@grobsXO]

skill damage resistence reduces the damage of skills so for example skills from the boss. the auto attack damage from the boss is not reduced. In PVE you dont need any special defesive stats even as a Tank. You dont need evasion, endurance or damage reduction. You just need to level your armor so it gets more base stats. The first 6 dungeons which we will have in the first month just dont require more :S

[@BroudonTietjen]

​in later game will it matter for PVE or is gear min maxing only for pvp @grobs4678

[@grobsXO]

​@@BroudonTietjen Mostly PVP. But people will still min/max stuff in PVE, but just to go as fast as possible :D but the direction from the devs is also heavily focused on PVE lately, so this will probably change.

[@valkyriembdo7019]

Great job Grobs, earn a sub

[@grobsXO]

nice :)

[@dawidd6149]

Make two versions of that video, im rly into calculating all stuaff in games, would love to see your complex analysis :D

[@grobsXO]

yeah maybe in the future. but I think 99% of the people are happy with video D:

[@musubito]

Thanks for the great video. I have a question, could you please explain how anomalies work? In particular, how do collision chances and collision resistance work?

[@grobsXO]

so there are different kind debuffs (mostly CCs skills and weaken). you can higher the resistance against those skills or higher chance to hit those spells. so you could simply resist those skills. thats just how I always understood it. But to be honest I never tested it. Maybe someone else can confirm :)

[@Azranihil]

@@musubito collision resistance is very important as a tank, getting proned is what kills you at end game. Good to stack some.

[@MrFreshFruits]

This game is a masterpiece. You made a great explanation thank you!

[@oriolcortesifuste8012]

This video won u a subscriber

[@grobsXO]

:)

[@денисдеев-в9т]

Longbow / Staff need endurance or evasion?🙏

[@kilikx1x]

I think the choice depends on if your trying to do Large Scale or Small Scale PvP. For Large Scale I believe Evasion is just better, Endurance is never going to save you from getting targeted by 20+ players all at once but Evasion just might. Its also common in Large Scale for Sleep Bombers to jump into your group, and Endurance isn't going to do anything to stop that ever. For Small Scale I think Endurance has its place. There aren't enough players to chew through your defenses fast enough to be a big threat and the CC doesn't matter as much as a result. In either case you need to build enough HP to support your Endurance. Obviously HP is valuable on Evasion builds as well, however if you only have 10K HP your probably better off sticking with Evasion , but if you have 15K - 20K HP Endurance becomes a whole lot more enticing due to how damage reduction scales with HP. This is true of any game with a damage reduction stat.

[@tylrae]

i would like more maths in your videos please! It's how you are different as a content creator and nobody else would go into more depth into mechanics cause they don't understand it or they just don't enjoy it.

[@grobsXO]

yeah there are some things planned :)

[@anneleridizegetiren34]

Magnificent video. I have a question what is ur preference about evasion and endurance what would u pick?

[@grobsXO]

depends on the class. I am playing currently sns/gs thats why I am going for endurance

[@anneleridizegetiren34]

​@@grobsXO im playing gs/dagger what can u suggest me? what should i go evasion or endurance

[@Matteo_Ferrari_Music]

Endurance is better I think. You can't dodge all the abilities, it's better to be more tank and let the healer cure you

[@Shadowkapp]

Thanks a lot for this amazing video, one question though, does these stats do anything in PVE?

[@bigdogang]

Perfect video thz

[@grobsXO]

np :)

[@lisandrwteles]

Very Good!

[@grobsXO]

:)

[@schloch.]

Sehr hilfreich!

[@grobsXO]

nice :)

[@kippesolo8941]

No, make it complex if you want to, because that information is missing. Everyone else does videos based on what they feel like is worth doing. Important is also what percentage of the Players play what type, so Melee, Ranged, Magic to make a decision what you want to build for, also if you want to play in a way that you avoid as many of a certain class as you can. For example in pvp there whill be alot of Melee damage because dagger is used alot and gs also sns, as a sns/gs you will take alot of magic and ranged aoe damage in zergs. So my opinion is we need at least 2 sets for pvp and 1 for pve. Large and small scale pvp, because in a zerg as a SnS/GS you take alot of aoe damage from magic and ranged, in small scale you fight against another sns/gs or an gs/dagger and a bow/dagger alot of times, so more melee damage. I dont like it but Meta plays a role in this, but for the most part i think in Arena and small scale pvp it will stay kinda the same because of the forced roles.

[@grobsXO]

Yes, you are absolutely right, it is a lot about the meta. And I will do that kind of video in the next few weeks. But right now we dont know what the meta will be on the release. So many changes happening right now. So lets wait what the meta will be for large and small scale PVP and then we make an analysis on that. but you are completely right :)

[@dan_963_]

@@grobsXO please update us grob. danke

[@NeonKix]

Thank-you! And even as a non-math person, I love the math! Don't listen to that kid! Math is great for those of us that are curious about the formulas.

[@grobsXO]

:)

[@MazakasuMusic]

thanks, good video

[@jestificated]

Why does 160 magic endurances seem to help a significant amount vs curse dots? Also, what is the synergy between hit chance and weaken/sleep/curse added chances.

[@killerlion6]

Very cool video. I just looked at the guide and it seems that having two evasions with any usefulness, (i.e. at least 400+ more than minimum evasion or in other words at least 30% chance to evade), is quite unrealistic with only blue gear. Not sure if I should focus on full 3x3 blue first and then partially replace with purple, or just go straight purple and very very slowly trait my gear and have essentially 0 evasion.

[@grobsXO]

that totally depends on your class. but also with blue gear you can have 2000 melee evasion... you just have to pick the right items (also some greens)... I cant give you here a simple answer sorry

[@alexanderanghel7946]

Great video, I guess I wanted stats because I have everything evasion I think around 600 with blue gear. I guess the good news is I can build my armor in the future for endurance. I just thought evasion was better for staff and bow because I am squishy sho I'd rather not get hit. The way you explain it, I am probably getting hit every time anyways so evasion is a wasted stat.

[@grobsXO]

yes sir :) exactly why I did this video. this people needs to understand :)

[@haythamelsady859]

Your content is better than those shity famous content creators regards TnL

[@grobsXO]

thanks :) trying my best!

[@jessesenpai6473]

can you do a guide on tanking and what skills to use sns and wand tank pve really liked your healing guide

[@grobsXO]

Yes I will do that but probably in 2 weeks or so.... till release I have the rest of my videos planned and I really just want to release videos in a decent quality :/ so you have to wait a little. But I will be playing a Tank on release and document my build for PVE and PVP on this channel :)

[@rabyjrm]

I thought the purpose is the difference between the two then the calculation. IE if I have 700 evasion, but my opponent has 800 hit. Then the difference is used in favor of my opponent (100/(100*chance multiplier))*100 then gives their attack chance. In this case it isn’t far from 10% vs over 50 percent if I had no evasion.

[@grobsXO]

as mentioned in the video. if your evasion is below enemy hit it is like you having no evasion. if you evasion is higher then the enemy hit then you use this formula: Evasion Chance = (Your Evasion - Enemy Hit)/(Your Evasion - Enemy Hit + 1000)

[@KillerTheJ]

EDIT: So the chance in the tooltip ingame is basically a chance for "Glancing Hit" -> forcing it to deal Min damage. The tooltip is quite confusing. So basically endurance = lowering attackers Crit chance (even if it is lower than their crit). If higher than crit, attacker does not crit and every point above crit is increasing chance to receive only MIN damage from the attack. Do I understand it correctly? :D - So - is this actually right about endurance and the tooltip ingame is wrong? Because the tooltip for endurance which is in game suggest that it works exactly same as evasion. "If your stat is higher thatn the target's X Critical Hit Chance, for every 10 points of difference, chance increases by about 1%." -> meaning it does nothing if you stat is lower than target's Crit -> Meaning it is the same as evasion - according to the tooltip ingame.

[@YossLSV]

привет! это отличный гайд! я бы хотел посмотреть полный гайд с формулами, который ты почему то не выложил)

[@grobsXO]

maybe in the future

[@childelee2569]

Depends. Early game everyone’s hit chance is low. Building evasion can negate most attacks. Late game everyone has built up their hit chance. Thus building endurancecf to avoid crits.

[@JohnChaney-x8i]

As bow/dagg when I go up against a healer with maxxed out ranged endurance, I find it super annoying. I cannot nuke them down like im used to and immeditaely just have to attack the other dps and hope he cant outheal my heavy attacks on the dps.

[@WattPerformance]

Personally I love formulas but understand the trade-off :) do you have any good data on how drops work that would be a appreciated video! Ie how does first hit impact mob vs boss/miniboss, how is dmg vs rng a factor, and how do party drops work? Seems like I can get loot without hitting a mob so is it rng in party and more ppl in party is better rather than opposite as it is in many games?

[@Baconc2]

GT video! does it make more sense build evasion or endurance for dagger/longbow? pvp focus

[@grobsXO]

evasion

[@letrasdobles3164]

@@grobsXO same for Staff/Dagger PvP?

[@grobsXO]

@@letrasdobles3164 yes

[@chrislin1741]

Great video! Besides evasion and endurance, I wonder how block chance work? Does it simply block everything ?

[@grobsXO]

go to my new tank guide.. in the section where I talk about the gear I explain that :)

[@dragunoventertainment1519]

Could you do a video with which weapon combos should build either evasion or endurance please, like for instance as a bow/staff I would build evasion right?

[@grobsXO]

bow/staff you go for endurance :) you have already the passive which gives you additional endurance. So you can get here really high endurance values :)

[@Nizeya313]

Thanks for this video ! Can you explain me what do you dodge with magic evasion ? its kinda weird when i try to think about it

[@grobsXO]

magic spells. So alls skills from wand + staff

[@cali4806]

Fireballs

[@alexdj6620]

I plan to play as a tank and have not yet decided whether to go evasion or endurance. What would you do in my case?

[@grobsXO]

PVE you ignore both. PVP you usually go for endurance (thats atleast meta^^ Im still not 100% sure)

[@alexdj6620]

@@grobsXO i talking about pvp. thanks!

[@ondrejvasak1054]

At that table 4:17, how are you calculating the non-crit damage? You have stats like 235 / 561 for Bow/Dagger, how did you get these numbers? Is the non-crit number the average between min and max damage? At first glance they seem way too high for crit damage, if I assume passive crit damage bonus of 30%, it would suggest min-max damage spread around 45-432 damage. That seems entirely wrong, no one could have such a huge spread.

[@grobsXO]

06:06 you see the formulas. But thats not crit damage.. thats crit chance.not sure what you trying to do but generall the system rolls always between you min and your max damage and if you are critt then it takes you max damage and puts the crit multiplier on top. hope thats helps

[@ondrejvasak1054]

@@grobsXO Perhaps I haven't explained myself very well. In your table you have two columns I am referring to - "non crit avg dmg" and "crit dmg". The "crit dmg" is more than twice the value of "non crit avg dmg". My question is how does it get that high. What is the base damage (min-max) and what is the crit damage multiplier value that you have in these example builds to get numbers this high?

[@grobsXO]

@@ondrejvasak1054 thats just because a lot of meta builds have such a high difference between min and max damage. this totally depends on how you spend your attribute points... wisdom/dex only give max damage for example and strength/perception gives min/max damage... but also different weapons behave here differently.... and crits will always take the max damage as a basis... so if the difference between min and max damage is really high then you have also have a high difference between crit damage and non crit damage... but to utilize your high crit damage you need a lot of crit chance... and so on :D there is a lot to it .... I will do in the next weeks a video about base damage... I will dive deeper into all stats we have in throne and liberty

[@ondrejvasak1054]

@@grobsXO I play a tank, so my spread between min and max damage is really low (I have like 100-160 currently and maybe a bit more on my GS). I tried plugging some random dagger stuff into the build calculator and you can really get pretty huge spreads of min-max damage. I got like 22-300 with just putting stuff in causally. This have really convinced me to go full endurance on my build, I don't think you can get close to the same damage reduction building evasion (at least for pvp). Evasion has the added benefit of dodging CC sure, but shield block can negate CC too if I remember correctly, so I can just rely on my shield for that.

[@grobsXO]

@@ondrejvasak1054 it really depends on the class but yes as a tank you go most likely always endurance :)

[@Omenoffate14]

Do you have or can you make a healing rotation guide for PvP/PvE as well as tactics, positioning, priorities, everything lol

[@grobsXO]

I probably wont play healing on release. So lets see how I can manage that. It just make sense to do that on actual fights and we need to see what the meta will be... lets see. But I like the idea :S

[@Trufi00]

Great video! Funny tho, i'm looking for complex math haha! I main Bow/staff on T1 global and looking for my pvp build. I might switch Bow/dagger for pvp. I was looking for max hit vs max evasion to see if it's worth it. Bow/dagger with dagger passive, it seams evasion is the right choice since it will have a good difference between max hit and max evasion. Bow/staff tho i feel with high focus that gives endurance will be a better fit to go endurance. Not sure about T2 what will change too. Any though on that?

[@jamzbraz]

I went the evasion route on staff/bow and it feels kinda useless. You're so squishy tanks in blue GS will burst you. I'm just no sure how much evasion we can stack in T1, if it's worth it....

[@radovancertik8421]

Excelent!

[@grobsXO]

:)

[@PrinceArtemis]

Oh great, its Black desert online all over again with evasion and defense. Greeeaaat, can't wait for everyone to abuse the evasion and it being the king stat in pvp.

[@grobsXO]

haha

[@MrSydjames]

You mean abuse endurance? Evasion is a shit stat. Greatswords will obliterate any build using evasion.

[@potatoneko5853]

I know alot ppl can handle it but striker with endurance is nightmare for me😑😑

[@dukesagami9974]

dude is comparing the dogsht dr vs eva in tl. bdo devs are dumb

[@axylum4453]

It actually is like BDO. Sns gs build. I tried stunning blow, bind with precision dash, chain hook and ascending slash against this one xbow dagger dude in 3v3 arena. Missed my stuff 80% of the time. I could not even combo him ONCE. It was so frustrating that I just gave up going after him (even tho he was the biggest damage threat on their team). He was always in the open, with poor positioning and I literally couldn't punish his *multiple* mistakes because of gear diff. I hate that arena pvp doesn't have standardised gear. Both ranked and casual queue don't have standardised gear. Competitive integrity is completely ruined. So rank just shows how much time someone spent on gear, not how good they actually are. What a missed opportunity.

[@JohnEckensberger]

Here is my question though, does evade work for skills or only for regular attacks? I know endurance works for both but ive tested the hit chance against the evasion and it seems like skills hit alot more than regular attacks with the evade hit situation

[@grobsXO]

yes it works also for skills

[@Shizu198]

so what would be future proof for t2 going full evasion or endurance?

[@DavidHodgson-tk5sj]

thought of endurance when stacked with damage reduction? could it start being more impactful? since endurance reduces the damage and then dr reduces it further.

[@grobsXO]

thats what all tanks do in the lategame

[@lunium6]

I'm doubting the explanation in this video. The in game tooltip states for Endurance, that when higher than Crit chance it will increase the chance of receiving a Min Hit by 1% for each 10 points. Taking that logic, saying having more Endurance then Crit chance will make it so the enemy can't crit, would be false? Or am I missing something?

[@grobsXO]

its 100% correct :S dont go after the logic of the tooltip... its completely misleading. The explanation in this video is correct. there are a lot of other sources out there confirming that :)

[@ashtart6632]

Hi, is it make sence to build evaion for sns\dagger?) Because of a lot of passives?

[@grobsXO]

Yes it makes a lot of sense :)

[@bojox3m]

people in my server are now selling purple melee evasion traits for 1k lucent minimum. this is the meta for October.

[@grobsXO]

totally depends on your class

[@Hostobi]

what are the chances to evade attacks if the difference is let's say 200 evasion between you & the enemy hit?

[@MAMAvsGOD]

So basically if I’m Xbow dagger I’m supposed to take Range evasion + Magic Evasion? Not Endurance because it only nullifies critical chance. Thank you. And if so which to prioritize or should it be only one.

[@grobsXO]

I am not an expert on the class but I think you go range/magic evasion yes :)

[@otaviobarros7102]

Could you please make the video on the caps bringing maths?

[@grobsXO]

probably not in the near future because the interest into that will be pretty low :S sorry :(

[@johnzrock]

Thank you

[@grobsXO]

you are welcome :)

[@danzfloor1]

Thanks a alot....One a fresh server, would you rather go Endurance or Evasion as a SnS/GS f.e. in PVP early on? Do people have a lot of Crit at the begining or is Evasion way better in any aspect early on (becasue if enemy can't hit you he can't Crit you principle).

[@grobsXO]

It will really depend on what will be meta. So how much range, magic and melee damage will we have? Because you cant build easy magic endurance early on or even in T1. But a lot of people will currently just say that you have to go for endurance when it comes to Tanks. But I am really not sure especially in large scale PVP ...I feel like for Tanks the biggest weakness is Range/Magic Dmg. Every meele player will completly ignore you. But if I cant build a lot of endurance for that, is it then even worth it to go for endurance? But tanks utilize evasion not so good because then there high defensive stats and also shield block chance is a little wasted. But you probably see it is not that easy :D But I am currently calculating this and will upload a video in 1-2 weeks exactly for that :)

[@danzfloor1]

@@grobsXO yup, it's rly not that easy. ^^ I've heard from different sources that Evasion is the way to go at begining....Because Endurance only counters Crit and Evasion basicaly everything (Crits included). Now from your experiance....Is there a lot of Crit early on in the game ? Or better asked, do early endgame builds have a lot od Crit? (Bcs people will probably follow metabuilds with global release). And are the high defense/block stats realy wasted....Because I thoughtif Evasion fails, block /defense should work as 2nd def layer (and if this also misses I get the DMG).

[@grobsXO]

​@@danzfloor1 people will have a lot of crit if they follow meta builds. they will have around 1-2k critical hit. mostly around 1,3k. except for tanks & heal. yes if evasion fails then the other stats work but every time evasion doesn't fail the Shield Block and armor is completely irrelevant. Thats why its somewhat wasted. But as mentioned I am doing here a calculation and will keep you updated :)

[@dan_963_]

@@grobsXO bro please upload the video :) we are still waiting for it

[@proza_]

@@grobsXO please grobs we need that video u.u

[@morbthalas]

Can u tell me which one is better for me im playing bow/staff and i play large scale pvp yeah im dps but i need hybrid build half dps half tanky so which one is better for flash tornado combo i play little bit front

[@Roadrunner_KZSK]

So pretty much full stacking range endurance only gives you 16% dmg reduction against ranged?? That's very little..am I missing something?

[@grobsXO]

no. people always think endurance does so much but in the end its not too much ^^

[@billy_cross]

To be fair build in this game are quite complex compared to other days or you just basically have to choose a weapon and your skills everything synergizes with everything or or doesn’t depending on your crafting I mean certainly you can go simple

[@ajjames1960]

well because in this game everything is balance, no one is immortal most game way back and last time make u immortal it makes whaler broken, normally whale become unstoppable in some games because the stats are not complex but in this game even if u a re a whale a f2p that knows what he is doing will kick you in pvp no sweat lmfao yet people say the game is not f2p and more p2w where in reality theres alot of whaler getting kick by f2p here because the stats are more balance no one is immortal where whaler doesnt received any damage and thats more broken if u ask me atleast whaler in this game is like a normal person lmfao

[@janmischa5750]

y idk...stacking 1000 endurance to still get hit for 80% of the dmg 100% of the times and still be critted on as well seems a lot lot weaker to me then dodging every third attack/spell entirely and take 0

[@grobsXO]

but people will have hit... if you have 400 evasion its like having 0 evasion because every player will have more then 400 ht ... thats excatly what you have to understand... yes evasion can be stronger but you have to stack it otherwise its completly useless and yes I mean COMPLETLY useless ... you just wont evade attacks ... and having 1000 evasion in epic 1 gear is not enough ;)

[@ronaldcregencia1533]

Please make HP versus DEFENSE next please.

[@paulbarriosduque1101]

This is cool and all but you did not mention the fact ranged/magic evasion is only possible using daggers. Melee evasion is only viable in T2 but your stats will be fkd up unless you use Greatsword or...guess what, daggers. Focus specialization from staff may give you a chance to close the gap during some seconds, but now, playing with anything that is either ranged or magic is not worth based on the meta evasion build from OP daggers passive.

[@grobsXO]

Like this guide should not be a clear do this, do that guide. Because its just not easy like that. It should be explaining to people how it works^^ and your takes without context are just not really good. Are you talking about small scale, large scale or sieges? the meta is different everywhere. so in each type of content people will have different weapon combinations which then makes the value of evasion different. thats why people need understand how it works^^

[@davidgutierrez4999]

so im going greatsword dagger build and every build says to go evasion, but im not seeing how i can get my magic/range evasion but at all to be enough to even matter.... i need help =[ is melee evasion the only one that actually makes sense to run ?

[@erelae_]

Dagger passive gives like 600/700 range and Magic evasion after a dash

[@DrakeWurrum]

I would love to see a video like this breaking down the CC chance/resistances as well. Like how valuable Weakness chance is or isnt. How much stun resistance it takes to have a real impact.