EVE Fanfest 2016 - A History of the Great Wars of EVE Online

Author Andrew Groen delves deeply into the making of his amazing work, A History of the Great Empires of EVE.
For more information about the book and to purchase it, go to www.empiresofeve.com/
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[@Appletank8]

EVE would make a great movie. Evil empires, giant battles, political conflicts, etc It would almost be like Star Wars, but written by people acting like people.

[@anon9579]

I'd think more a tv series with a focus on political intrigue

[@Appletank8]

+themutantlizard sure, that could work. and lasers

[@BigTdeluxe]

with shia labeouf as progodlegend

[@SolFutureFirst]

They are planning a TV series based on EVE. Will probably be filmed GOT style (No single main character, lots of stories...etc), and Ridley Scotts productions company is involved.

[@per2]

you still believe that? :DDD how many years that is now since they talked about this :)))

[@darrensteele9897]

I've never played this game but I find it fascinating.

[@nemleon87]

Might try it sometime, Its free now :)

[@randomdude4136]

This is the best the game has to offer, but to play it you gotta have the patience to slog through weeks of studying spreadsheets to maximize efficiency and grinding to up your net worth. If you like games like this though you'll have a lot of fun

[@DevoutOG]

TheLionheartist I would suggest it, it's a ruthless, stressful, and blood burning, Game I'll tell you that. There isn't anything better then loosing 6 bill isk in one day...

[@nemleon87]

Yeah I was talkin to Darren. I've been playing for 7 years now, great game :)

[@andyme3541]

Eve has always been to me the Game that has the best stories from it's playerbase, fascinating amazing tales.... And a game that I couldn't play because it's so very technical, but god do I love the players stories, and I can see why they love it so much

[@acathosh]

I've never played EVE, yet i find this increadibly fascinating.

[@live2film13]

just started playing about a week ago, just jump in and be patient. It's super fun to feel like you are a part of a living game.

[@harmstrongg]

No time like the present to start. If you try it, don't fly alone. Find a mentor, it will help dramatically.

[@justarandompally]

And how would one do that, if I might ask? I really wanna get into it, but I heard it has a super steep learning curve.

[@billk2742]

Ive never played either. However the simulation of giving what is technically couch potato nerds galaxy spanning power is illuminating. hint they do what you would expect them to do... Maybe they should make a girlfriend mode for this game? Or a (have to chop wood for the winter mode) survival option... Either way its a nice study into nerd culture...

[@kerbodynamicx472]

It simulates real life politics and economy.

[@kamophlaj]

I was in Black Reign, part of Lotka Volterra and was there when the LV titan decimated RSA in 1V-LI2, still got a screenshot. I was one of the scouts to pull RSA through the gates. What an epic time in the game and what an amazing experience. The game is so closely tied to real life strategy and psychology its awesome. Its really grabs you. Loved this video, took me right back there!

[@Drrolfski]

The best session at Fanfest imo. That guy is a great storyteller.

[@Unknown2059]

I could listen to this guy for many more hours. already read the book to

[@wayner396]

Joshua Davis super fascinating but I had to stop listening as he gulped, smacked, and slurped his way through the video...

[@zatcharybelltucker735]

@@wayner396 lmao harsh bro

[@Jurek-M7PWJ]

10+ years of my life taken by this fascinating game, never regret any minute, meet fantastic people online and in a real life! But.... because of its awesomeness I had to take a break as this is a best game ever and most addicted to me, freaking NARCO!! :D

[@zpetar]

My best advice is don't play this game if you are not already gamer who sits 6+ hours in front of your screen. When you get sucked in you will set alarm at 3AM because there is important battle. You will go to bed at 5 AM even if you know there is morning shift waiting for you. When comes holiday you will sit in front of your screen 12 hours straight 10 days in row.

[@crunch9876]

zpetar that doesn't sound fun at all....

[@ghl3186]

crunch9876 idont play eve but i once stayed up for 46h. 1st day because iwanted to see how long idstayup 2nd day because ironically i couldnt sleep

[@shekelboob]

Elite Noob it basically is a much more grindier version off warframe, where losses are pretty devastating, and scamming and betrayal is allowed and encouraged

[@Eghizio]

Sounds like OGame xD

[@pythonxz]

Ever since I left null sec wars behind, the game became fun. I recommend W-space (real 0.0), for example.

[@kerdublin3251]

I can't wait for him to write about the new "Anime War"

[@veritech4884]

This is a year late, and idk if thats happened yet, but i cant wait either.

[@EbonyGerm]

@@veritech4884 Yet another year late, World War Weeb would be amazing to hear about. God I miss the propaganda from those days!

[@WTFdoNOTpeeONme]

itsn 2020 andand technically(!) the anti anime front won, but nobody will ever let go of it so we will fight forever *probably*

[@Viryn]

I was there, 3000 years ago. Thb this era of EVE 2005-20012 was probably the best time in gaming history. I just wish more people had the chance to experience it. This is a great way to do it. A full on documentary series would be in order.

[@aveng3r89]

So the Russians using a "throw massive amounts of troops at them and hope we win" was somehow considered a new strategy?

[@jamescoppola1565]

Unless you're talking about Goonswarm, 70 Russians defeated 400 people

[@AK48smoker]

hey, it worked in WWII.

[@szaggasd]

sparta

[@superbusstarodub]

@@AK48smoker No it didn't lol

[@Vysair]

@@superbusstarodub they pushed germany back to the west

[@Alice-ox7pe]

This is such a good talk. I like how he refers to the fact that people can disagree because IRL historians disagree

[@unnecessaryoccupation3115]

36:56 the greatest confrontation between the protagonist and the antagonist before fight begins

[@Beerpowered]

Such a soothing speech from Andrew Groen. Perfect for when you need noise to help you sleep.

[@explosiverex5023]

I think im gonna have to download EVE as i just keep finding myself drawn to these videos and binge watching them,fascinating stuff!

[@billboland1617]

Was there fighting most of those battles:). Great battles, greater memories. Rest in peace "Vile Rat", Never forget Benghazi.

[@ravenbird7764]

it's like game of thrones in SPACE

[@taffetatwist2194]

Awesome presentation but my god the mouth noises - get that mic away from his face and let him use a handheld!

[@richardfry2069]

Kneezle Fox yes very annoying

[@xXN0SK1LLZXx]

Gulp gulp gulp

[@chrisrmorriscm]

I wanted to reach through the screen and smack him

[@KyrstOak]

Exactly.

[@nafnist]

I was a part of this, from Bob taking delve to the demise. The evil atuk and it's comrates were finally defeated. It was also the end for my game, as I enjoyed fighting against the evil Bob empire. The game simply became less fun after they fell. I enjoyed having such a skilled and powerful evil enemy.

[@Rabidchu]

"What are you bringing?" "DEEZ NUTZ!"

[@mikeg5063]

Thanks for putting this together! I've long since quit the game but had loads of fun fighting in said battles from 2007-2012. Loved that game but had to move on or the wife would have killed me 🤣

[@ohyeahyeahimasian392]

Can i have your stuff? :D

[@GuinessOriginal]

Have you moved onto star citizen? Looks very tame by comparison. What faction were you with?

[@mikeg5063]

@@GuinessOriginal Faction? I was in TRI, AAA, etc. PVP during those years was loads of fun!

[@GuinessOriginal]

@@mikeg5063 don't know what they are sorry pal I've heard of goon squad, still going strong i believe after they killed the redditors by trolling them to death

[@mikeg5063]

@@GuinessOriginal yeah I'm old lol. Goons did finally take over everything so good for them

[@Kilen_BE]

Epic, genius strategy with Titan shipyard lol. It’s the best of EVE. Great story, really, I loved to hear, and I didn’t know the story... it’s wow ! ❤️

[@LazlowRave]

Mercenary Coalition FTW

[@rclines001]

Lazlow Rave F yes. Best time I ever had in EVE. Major time investment, but worth it to be the best.

[@LJames-xp6mc]

Hell yeah! those were great times

[@DevilDude912]

for the record the nerf that got shrikes (1st) titan killed was that they removed the ability of Titans to remote doomsday, before that you didn't even have to expose the things to direct combat to nuke fleets with them. They'd always been able to be tackled by dictors it's just that none of them were ever exposed to actual danger before that point.

[@Rhine0Cowboy]

I'm fairly sure we (Lotka Volterra) had the Titan on the field as it doomsdayed that >200 redswarm fleet.

[@grimreaper2100]

4 years later and goonswarm is at it again.

[@legosintheraw]

That battle sounds an awful lot like Stalingrad haha

[@lameshane1]

i like how a goon is writing history, just goes to show that the winners of wars always seem to write history

[@p3th3t1c]

+Shane Brock Yeah, gotta admit its a interesting view of how things went down from the goon perspective but man he left a lot of the events leading up to the BoB war out (remember the ec-p8r camp, G disbanding, IRON imploding, etc?) plus several key fights leading up to the mechanics changes in the game with the addition of HiCs and DiCs.. plus no mention of the northern forces combining to put there feet into the struggle to take BoB down. For myself, after leaving KoS when it disbanded at the end of 2006 and Shamis recuited Shadoo's corp to help form PL, I joined Sniggerdly at the same time in March 2007. So guess my memory of events is going to be a little different hehe. Ive been active in the game since early 2004 and its always interesting to see how others remember events in eve history.

[@Revan2908]

Eh. The book itself gets into a bit more detail about the parts he didn't mention here. I just recently finished reading it.

[@basickarl]

GoonSwarm are getting kicked outta Delve now so the story isn't set yet!

[@sinshadow1993]

@@basickarl Yeah about that...

[@yashad2758]

@@basickarl is the story set now?

[@conspiraciesarejustgreatst2059]

"this is the most expensive loss in Eve online history" and the developers laugh all the way to bank as these fleets need to be funded to rebuild 😀 this is one time I truly enjoy seeing the devs make bank like this. Mostly because nearly everyone enjoyed their time losing their shit in an awesome timeline of battles

[@CMDR_Verm]

This has got me aching to get back to null. Flying with CVA against the goons was the most fun I've ever had in New Eden.

[@DatDudeVince_]

The way he describes the battle of JV1V,it's amazing CCP still exists.Losing a fight cause of the server is shit.

[@aveng3r89]

No shit, a well know player event and CCP should have been on top of it the day it was happening making sure the server was ready for the large influx. I wouldn't be surprised if they took a hit in subscriptions from people saying "fuck this game"

[@Dakarn]

The amazing thing about the EVE community is that we knew that CCP was limited in what they can do, and they constantly told us that they were buying more and more server clusters as money permitted, and *pleading* with us to let them know weeks in advance of fights so they could shift the constellation the fight would be on to as many clusters as they could to allow us to fight. Crashes still happen, but very infrequently. Their servers are much better than they used to be, and they've put in server capabilities that slow the game down to allow the server to process 3000 people sending commands at the same time. "Time Dilation" is what the mechanic is called.

[@cafi739]

You have to bear in mind that there was a hard technological limitation back then. This was over 10 full years ago, a LOT has changed since then, blackberries were brand new, halo 2 was in it's prime, and people saw the outside of their house more often than not. The eve servers then were probably some of the most powerful computers in the world and I wouldn't be remotely surprised if your average modern desktop would make them look like a commodore 64. We accepted lag and disconnects then in much the same way modern players bear with tidi, because the game is worth it.

[@alfalafelstine1536]

I think it's an amazing story, though I can understand players being frustrated.

[@Rhine0Cowboy]

This is a big reason why Lotka Volterra noped out. Did everything to prepare for the JV1V battle, including taking into account server failures, still got fucked over. Still, the time before and around that battle was fun, i spent hours drawing goonswarm stragglers into a warp bubble past the gate they wanted to take.

[@boomxchikn7556]

we left our brothers in LV to the wolves and paid for it

[@tomriley5790]

Amazing historty great story - never played it but sounds awesome!

[@ThisCatEatsBrains]

I don't even play this game but this was incredible! I want to read the book now

[@liva9994]

Oh god, it almost feels unfair how when the server crashed that the first one to log in could just destroy the opponent like that. Like I would as a developer maybe think about going in and doing something there.

[@Permaglueck]

Such fun to listen to his stories but actually the first titan killed in EvE was from ASCN. They‘ve build the first one and were the first alliance to lose one. Actually they lost it to BoB.

[@Prophet12349]

37:16 This moment rather forcefully reminded me of when Persia invaded Sparta. Philip sent a message to the Spartans saying “If I invade Lakonia you will be destroyed, never to rise again.” The Spartans replied with one word, “If.”

[@LLYoutube565]

I was there in Shinra and in JV1V - man the game has changed

[@egillskallagrimson5879]

hey where is the second part? I really want to hear the last chapter of the conflict.

[@theunbrokenbarb169]

Did he ever continue the story? I'm interested in hearing more of this history

[@lordfenrir1394]

2017, where is the new video? I am hunger for more.

[@Nifava]

YEAH!

[@slovakiakentros581]

Marc Sales YEAH

[@Dont_FeedTheDead]

Yea! 2018! Bring it on!!

[@leobritton8929]

this was great! where is the next chapter?

[@MrJ6H]

This was top notch Falcon!

[@SuperiorFanBase]

Did anyone upload the part 2?

[@thesquid8978]

THE FIRST ONE WAS SUCH A GREAT BOOK

[@CragScrambler]

I remember the war well, we worked with LV and MC as logistics supports as the fleets took down POS structures we would ninja into the system with our own POS towers and put them up, usually expensive True Sansha large faction towers with as many shields and guna as we could fit which we used to nick name death stars as they were there only temporarily with the only aim of destroying anything that came near while the sovereignty counter ticks over, then we would ninja them out of the system and put them up again in the next front line system. Some great times were had, great fights great stories...I played from early beta 2002/3 until around 2015 when life, and family took over and I do miss it sometimes.

[@WolfyOfHonor]

do we have a next video of him continuing the story?

[@NomadicPhoton]

This is better than most Science fiction books I've read XD

[@ecabernet]

does anyone have a link to the video bob made about the evac of feyth?

[@bang3rachi]

No follow up with the 2017 fanfest god damn it!

[@markbrewin2728]

I was there with Razor Alliance when mole lost his titan

[@4ll3sb4n4n3]

The neck fupa is almost George Luas' level

[@TairnKA]

Did they ever finish this in 2017, I can't find any title for it?

[@tcclaviger]

@ Andrew Groen, I was one of the BOB Fleet Commanders during the war activities you're discussing at the 23:00 mark and beyond through to March of 2008. If you're still looking for first hand information, send me a message and I can provide some of the very significant background information you're missing.

[@blubbson]

I was active in Goonfleet from 2006 to 2010 and was a sometime fleet commander with decent insight into planning and strategy during the Great War, although not part of the inner circle of directors. This video simplifies a lot of things for obvious reasons (it would be 10 hours long if it didn't) but one major thing it misrepresents is why exactly BoB and Goons originally became enemies. It had nothing to do with the T20 scandal (although that certainly fueled a lot of hatred towards BoB and was heavily exploited in our propaganda), but rather was originally caused by personal drama on the Eve Online forums.

[@renr17]

so gay

[@chrislaezur730]

Ye u r p gay Got ‘im

[@markmoffat1980]

I was a Steelviper fighting BoB... Miss the good old days.... I wish you all much fun in the eve univers

[@tathtath]

the vis he talked about is titled 'GoonSwarm Titan Kill June 2007 '

[@R777777]

good times...

[@ChipsHandonJr]

Hey Scott, interesting video. Would you ever consider making a tutorial video about how to become a stealth bomber pilot What skills to train, what ship to get, how to equip it etc.?

[@NichoTBE]

good times.

[@PencilKing21]

Like many of the people here, I have never played this game but it just sounds so damn interesting. Unfortunately I don’t have either the time nor the internet to sinc into this game.

[@chainr1ng]

The JV1V titan construction kill was referred to as the titan abortion by goons.

[@malpherian9459]

I was in Razor dureing this.

[@veritech4884]

That April Fools joke tho! Lmao!!!

[@shuheihisagi6689]

I need that book

[@sono6084]

4:51 ASMR on point

[@GodSendFromHell]

Where's part2 to this video there's got to be a part 2

[@judsonblewett8824]

Historical Footnote: video of the prominently mentioned destruction of Sir Molle's Titan in 46DP-0 and the resulting Goongasm may be viewed here kzbin.info/www/bejne/goPPo3mrmcZ4qZo

[@AK48smoker]

if only because it would make a fun story, id like to see molle rise to power again.

[@twisted_fo0l]

wow. eve player's are geniuses. i should play, alas, my little laptop.

[@malpherian9459]

Razor owned the 4th and I was building a 5th for Morsis Mehi.

[@goatgoat.8630]

18:18 The northern coalition looks like some posing alien. Lets give it a body!

[@MeUngaBungaButYouAreWorst]

That's why i love this game nothing can't stand with the complexity of EVE Online nothing... and nothing shall stand the holy fire of the amarr empire

[@harriermk2]

very cool

[@pythonxz]

I was in BCA, under TCF. Anyone else?

[@coolchrisable]

i have a ? is this just battles of 2016 or all big battles up to this point cause i didnt see the battle of b-r5rb

[@PiLLbOt100]

coolchrisable did you not watch the video? It is the war that took place 2007-2009.

[@chaoticstorm8145]

I don't play Eve online, but is NullSec just one section of the game, or is that the map of the entire game?

[@yawgmoth5662]

Part of it. Null Sec, Low Sec, and High Sec. High Sec you are basically safe, low sec your somewhat safe but should have friends with you, low sec your probably not safe at all unless your in a fleet.

[@TairnKA]

When's and/or where's the sequel?

[@Joybuzzard]

At 29:13 I'm assuming someone working for the company made it reset and that's why they had part of their fleet logged off because they knew it was going to happen. With the Eve currency trading for real currency and the massive amounts of real world money that could be made playing the game, it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination for someone to pay an underpaid tech industry employee to do something like that.

[@myotahapeaofbabylon6510]

Perhaps a commercial dramatizing the eve univere player driven history would bring more people to it. I jist started playing but i made an account 3 uears ago.... I missed out on an amazing universe

[@anti-matter5874]

What about the otaku war?

[@IntrospectAvionics]

Anybody down to form a new super power and incite the next great war? xD

[@salimshady117]

~~forget to pay a sovereignty bill~~

[@yawgmoth5662]

I don't know... do you have a ton of money and free time?

[@veritech4884]

Im down.

[@tonyth9240]

Boy, do I have news for you all.

[@gregoryz3]

It has formed and its name is PAPI.

[@xXN0SK1LLZXx]

Does anyone else think it's so grim how he gulps down his water

[@EverydayYounglife]

I'm surprised ccp didn't rollback that system info since it was pretty much a hardware problem on ccp end.

[@rambletonne]

Why didn't he take his invisalign out before the talk?

[@Chadhogan111]

Update please 🙏🏻

[@doctorclaw8232]

I feel like I have been something great missing

[@XiaoKA_]

That last battle in JV1V was so laggy you couldn't login

[@intronate67dev]

RIP NC

[@ulrichkristensen4087]

What about the early days, CA, Stain etc.

[@dillpickle2131]

"whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeAahahahaayayayaayayaayayaayayaayayaya!" - Mercenary Neckbeard Coalition

[@---iv5gj]

So.... when are we gonna defeat concord?

[@Kopie0830]

I miss eve, sadly, everytime I install it, it gets corrupted, so I finally gave up. Maybe someday, when I have more time and a better computer... Someday...

[@wpgngaming-videos888]

Its such a shame the game has lost so many players. Its a very good game.

[@YouCountSheep]

Dude drinks more in an hour than most people in a week.

[@TheBigjimable]

This is the video he’s talking about at the end. The FC is Sesfan Qu’lah (number #1). kzbin.info/www/bejne/goPPo3mrmcZ4qZo

[@aaronnagy2871]

2022 and I'm still salty about the BPO scandal.

[@lozanoc99999]

When he drinks water I cringe

[@ColtNomad]

*Mouth noises intensify*

[@eveonline8648]

@@Docthewrench 😂

[@TiddyTwyster]

*I don't even play this fucking game and I'm as familiar with it's large conflicts and wars as I am with most large conflicts and wars in real fucking life* EVE: online Love it or Hate it You gotta respect everything that it is I actually haven't even watched this video, either I just came here to pay my respects You might see me on many other videos doing the same, because this is one of the coolest games- no, communities- no that's still not it.. _experiences?_ Yes. This is one of the coolest- if not *the coolest* fucking *_experience_* you can be a part of, in the *entire realm of gaming*

[@happydappyman]

31:11 you're welcome.

[@Honor4few]

take his water form him

[@Brother_Pigeon]

Oh man gotta love all those swallowing noises

[@BullRadu]

what about the ascn titan that bob cowerdly killed by getting the location thru their ccp connections? why didn't he mention that as the first otitan brought down, or that it was what brought ascn down

[@Ilyak1986]

The book described it as a BoB spy that scouted out its location.

[@11Survivor]

@@Ilyak1986 BoB spy in CCP yeah