Eve Online PvP for beginners 1, realistic expectations

[@Nope-t5l]

I came back to add that I am not much of a PVP player myself. But like I said it's something I would like to try. I've always enjoyed the KZbin content when someone is really good at it. Its intriguing when someone can take on two or more at a time and come out on top. I imagine it takes reflexes and knowledge to make it to that level. I've enjoyed your content and subbed your channel a day or two ago. Thanks for the content and tips.

[@aloneinfinland]

thanks for the sub and the comments, im with you that gate ganks arent really pvp because there is no skill required, but because there is no skill i think if someone wants to try the pvp thing, its a good place to start. Or join a corp that goes out to roll them :p

[@israelgarcia7801]

Even if you are not interested in shooting you can also repair other ships which is a game changer in every fight. And if you get really good at it you can lead a squad of logi in fleet fights. Even a ship with a lot of tank but can hold on to an enemy long enough for others to tackle is useful. It’s basically ship trading but not on the market.

[@terrywinge2378]

This was the first of your videos I found. Love listening to you and your advice. Subscribed and looking through your content. Thanks for the straight talk discussion. Fly Fun.

[@aloneinfinland]

Thanks for your time. Hope you enjoy my nonsence 😂

[@peterweber4094]

Yep my experience as well. Gate camps.

[@edwardturner1282]

Thank you for such a vivid demonstration of PvP. You had my heart pounding with the fight you put up. If that had been 1v1, you would have crushed. Also, your build was a great help. Never played PvP, but your demonstration help me put aside my fear because I know what to expect now. Marking your video to watch again. Hell yeah imma subscribe. Thanks a lot Alone.

[@aloneinfinland]

thanks man, Im not a pvp'r, no good at it and dont know the best fits but its fun :p Ive also vary rarely had a 1v1, and only one i can remember in the last decade...

[@Darth0308]

Ive been playing off and on since 2006. Just got my buddy playing, he got his 1st mining ship in a couple days and was mining in .8 Sec, Tolle to be precise and these pirates came thru and tried to force him to pay. Of course he only had a couple thousand isk cuz he just bought his shop so he got blown up. We all get it, highsec isnt safe....but dumb stuff like that is why its hard to get new players in our game. .8 sec of all places to try and deter noob miners for no reason and then the same people complain there is no good PvP in the game.

[@aloneinfinland]

Yeah, thats been a big problem since the beginning, but it got really bad for a while with the alpha stuff. Have a look in hek local, theres a group there thats been mining in large groups with full bounises, i met them last night when doing my dailys

[@ILOVESTARK]

I enjoyed this video, but I gotta ask. Do you record next to a running sink or something? I keep hearing running water :D

[@aloneinfinland]

@@ILOVESTARK the room I record in has 7 aquariums, for this video the water was running low 😳 sry

[@Nope-t5l]

I'm a solo roller. Still thinking about it. I have three accounts. Mainly industry for fun and thought why not make one toon a fac war toon. I lose a ship I lose a ship. Sooner or later, I will begin to get the hang of it.

[@aloneinfinland]

im not good at solo, but weirdly very good at logi myself. not much call for it as a solo these days though. I do a bit of indy, or did, now im trying to rea learn the new sections and build a base section of material routs for the faction and BS requirements. while setting up multiple mission running places for farm lp

[@israelgarcia7801]

If I could do it all over again, I would start with cruisers because they insure so well and can swing down well. And if you really struggle with fighting, then missiles are the easiest to use.

[@robertmiller32]

The one trick i have found to eve pvp is choose your fights if you go into low sec looking for a fight you are going to run into far more experienced players and in eve no one fights fair there will be a gang of them. Do not let them choose the fight i am fairly new i have a fair amount of kills i fly solely cloaked ships and i go after the low hanging fruit explorers miners and ratters. I must be doing something right i have not died yet i am sure that will change though lol

[@nullx8]

that was a pretty good example, and a quite decent fight as well .. well done for a disposable "example" :)

[@aloneinfinland]

what else are you gonna do when you find a random ship you have no memory of :p

[@memitim171]

It's worth noting, for those not in the know, that setting up clutter to decloak people is actually considered an exploit by CCP. Now it's unlikely anyone is going to get banned for doing it (presumably because that would involve banning half the game), but the reason it's worth noting is if you lose something expensive to this and you raise a ticket saying you died to an exploit, you will likely get your ship back.

[@aloneinfinland]

Where did you get this info, because i cant find it on the exploit list. Clutter recloak blocking is common in multiple systems i know...

[@memitim171]

@@aloneinfinland I checked this and apparently it now only applies if the clutter causes the server to lag, which is assessed on a case-by-case basis, still I would raise the ticket anyway as people have got ships back for less, just don't do it every week coz they will prolly just tell you to git gud after the 3rd one...

[@hundun5604]

Is there a key-bind for 'eject ship'? I'm asking because I can't find it.

[@aloneinfinland]

right click on your ship then eject is in that menu

[@hundun5604]

@@aloneinfinland Yes, I know. I'm looking for a key-bind. That would speed up the process with 2-3sec, when I need to use 'eject'. Anyhow, thanks for replying.

[@johansirvio7799]

TO BE ABLE TO KILL CALMY U 1ST HAVE BE ABLE TO DIE CALMLY

[@aloneinfinland]

@@johansirvio7799 I know it was a mistake, but I love the all caps! The idea of screaming this statement genuinely made me chuckle 😀

[@theDackjanielz]

Sorry deleted my other comment i didn't realize you replied - Do you think getting into the bigger ships is a good way for new players to compensate for the lack of skills and experience they have for pvp? This typhoon footage looks pretty sweet - like you can take on some of the harsh fights and stand a remote chance in fighting back? Or should i just stick to low tier frigs/destroyers? Get some tech 2 for them?

[@aloneinfinland]

oh no no no, its the opposite, bigger ship is bigger target. stay small stay fast. and fly weird!! e.g. on the last, my first ever pvp fight was in the worst fit raven ever, but against 2 assault ships, abd because i had fit it with heavy missiles ( long before assault launchers), a microwarp, and 2 points, i locked down both assault ships and kiled one, ransomed the other. The bad fit i had, that was because of lack of experience, was the advantage. structure tanking, over armour, or full neut and small drone setup can be funny. but fly cheap stuff for pvp if your solo. Just keep that mentality of 'im going to loose this, but its throway anyway' and itll be fun. For the cost of that thyphoon i could have 20 plus of the fun frigats, or 15 destroyers. this vid by merdaneth is a good examply of weird because of the lack of scram kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH-WeHaAntqml8U

[@theDackjanielz]

@@aloneinfinland thanks m8 much appreciate it!

[@georaptor9727]

3 months later and get this recommended. lots of good info here. sad seeing the comments complaining about this type of game play. it's all fun, nothing is permanent, ships are ammo. if you can't deal with the loss of pixels on the screen how do you deal with any adversity in life. thanks mate o7 fly wild

[@aloneinfinland]

I sort of agree, but i dont find it sad, we all play in different ways, and people forget or dont know that over 80% of players dont do pvp, so its not going to be something they enjoy having forced on them. Its not just pixels on the screen, its time and investment or for some real money, loosing it is painful to most. And ive seen some gankers flip their lid just as badly as some the people they gank. Everything is tempory, eve, life, even our planet. Them being annoied about something isint the same as not dealing with something. Unfortunatly i have alot of adversity in my life, and i deal with it well, but damed if i still rage about it to blow off steam :p glad to have you here, o7 fly weird!

[@alwaysshine5930]

So should I be getting insurance on any ship I PVP with? Since I know i'm going to lose it?

[@aloneinfinland]

You can do for t1 ships, but check the cost, insurance has been broken for a while because it uses the prices from before the triglavian invasion that screwed the costs

[@ChargedPulsar]

Real Pvp Rule Number 1: You will be ganked and lose your ship 95% of the time, with no fight.

[@VikingKong.]

That's just victim mentality.

[@StarMan2496]

I've a PVE player, but I get wrecked when I'm ratting with my hurricane. No matter how much I use D-scan. How to avoid this? Stay away from low-sec near Hek... so basically don't go near low-sec unless you have 4-7 friends.

[@israelgarcia7801]

Yeah. I don’t know anyone who rats,hunts,or mines solo or alone. You might as well join faction warfare so at least people might trust you enough to show up, eventually, at certain times.

[@goldeneagle256]

if you wanna do ratting somewhat safe, joine a good null sec corp. more money to be made and safer

[@WizardBrandon]

step 1 find a corp welp.

[@hansolo-mx4xt]

if you are new at this game, first concentrate on not getting shot. when you are good at that then and only then start to learn pvp. and never take a fair fight.

[@johndavid1708]

how do u record that view without overview with yourself still seing it

[@aloneinfinland]

my screen is ultrawide, so my overview is off to the sides on bothe sides.

[@zenmanokfine]

Try RvB if they still exist

[@Nope-t5l]

I don't see the all-day campers as real PVP. Yeah, its PVP. But not PVP. Yeah, I know in most cases you will always have at least one person to come in a help out the other guy. I am talking about hunting and roaming. I am talking about beacons. Fac war to. I am talking about protecting your sov. Thats PVP. Even if a roaming bunch of pirates, I see them as PVP. Not so much skill needed as one on one. Still PVP. The gate campers? Kinda lame. I tried it once and was bored to tears. Not much fun after one or two ships. It took a long time for someone to finally come in. They usually never stood a chance. It's like bashing baby seals with sledgehammers. It's a kill, though nothing to brag about. The only other thing I consider a step below all day campers are the ones that go to new starter systems and go after the brand-new toons. I guess I find that even the miner hunters a step above the gate campers. Just my opinion.

[@Jaham32712]

I am bad at pvp and even then I feel like a piece of shit whenever I kill someone who in retrospect is clearly a new player. It is usually explorers in wh because that is my favorite hunting ground, so not like I am seeking out specifically new players. But still, I always send them plenty of isk to cover their loss 😂

[@aloneinfinland]

@@Jaham32712 that was actually why i got out of piracy. ironically my whole corp abandoned it. A year in low sec locked off a system and mined it while gaurding entry 23/7 but then one guy had made a 'friend' who needed a cyno. young kid who had bought isk (before it was legal) and bought a carrier. he didnt check what system he jumped to and jumped to us. 30+ ships waiting. he got wrecked. but then after he was on the commes and crying. i still feel bad about that one. lost the taste for it after that.

[@tesciu00]

Given yor logic, FW plexes are not PVP either. You know that someone is in plex or you are in plex waiting. There is no thrill nor difficulty of hunt. And in this logic i would name FW pilots as a PVEers because their goal is not fight but earning LP. It is PVP. Same as ganking, expensive pod hunting, bumping eachother at signatures in covert ops, market trading, contract scams, and even mining same asteroid belt by 2 different groups. Even if the are not on the grid at the same time. PVP in eve occures whenever 2 or more players interact with eachother while having oposite goals or interests.

[@Nope-t5l]

@@tesciu00 I have to kindly disagree here. I think my logic is sound. If looked at through your lens, then nothing is PVP. It's all PVE. Your D scan will show you what is around you. If you use it, you will get a pretty clear picture most of the time. You use it to hunt or evade. Ultimately the choice is yours. Sitting in a plex is no different from being anywhere else barring no real movement. Those hunting for a fight are going to come in and only need to know who, and how many are in the plex, and who and how many are in local to support those in the plex. Those sitting can choose to fight or run, depending on their confidence level. It requires far more skill than gate camping. Particularly if the size of the camping fleet is large. Its pvp in a simple form. But gate camping is not what I would call skillful. Nor is it much of a challenge. Especially if a spy is waiting on the other side of the gate and watching. It's a mob. Thats about it.

[@tesciu00]

I didn't say gatecamps require skill. But avoiding them does, as well as ambushing them. I'm solo player now as well. So fighting them is not content for me. But back in the day when i was flying with my corp mates it was fun to jump such camps. Now it's simply not the content for players who dows mot have means to counter them. Yet low sec camps are one of the most reliable sources of mid size fights that may escalate. And then the skill is very much required.

[@jim01q]

Wait, no disconnects?

[@aloneinfinland]

i can only appoligise!

[@Ronma1t]

literally what happens to me every time and it is frustrating, i jump through a stargate and i am popped within few secs, this pirates have ruined PVP. I was wondering if a battlecruiser or battleship can escape such gate camp in lowsec?

[@8vI]

Best thing to use is a scout or a ship with a cloak. Busting a camp often takes a group.

[@israelgarcia7801]

No. You shouldn’t be able to escape a proper , professional gate camp. You could try using a frigate or the free one that is given to scout. If you see a system with a bunch of flashing names they might be camping. Try warping from a different angle than the typical or expected angle if you encounter smart bombing ships. And you deserve to talk some smack in local if you are able to slip through a camp.

[@aloneinfinland]

na, the only thins that can escape a propperly done gate camp in lowsec is a cloaky. for null sec your talking cloaky fitted with an intradition nullifier. some people get through but its luck. Or knowing when the naughties are offline, and then some luck as well.

[@carlhelms595]

PVP ruined this game for me and everyone I played with.

[@israelgarcia7801]

Welp, if you really want to avoid pvp, ironically you should join a big null block . So you can just build or mine and someone else will fight for you. If I did it again I wouldn’t buy more than what I use in a week. And I guess the true pro gamer move would be to have an alt in every group so that you never truly lose.

[@kafrikotroll8610]

Stay in high sec...

[@aloneinfinland]

i can see why for some of the ganking. but ithout the pvp there would be no real drive for the market. I personally think at the moment with the lower player count its a good time to get back into it. oudise of caldari space is safer because of the lower players, and low sec is less populated. I gass huffed 4 sites in 3 systems the other day back to back in lowsec without being bothered once.

[@redwolf4611]

That's also why eve loses so many subs. ccp banks on the toxicity of the pvp community to sell plex.

[@aloneinfinland]

I dissagree with this because i dotn think CCP is delibratly banking on it. i think its more that they are all big allience players so they dont see the new players experience outside of the tutorial.

[@TimsMissions]

you should of de escalated and jumped back through. Also you hesitated at the start. You should of overheated missiles and killed the Vigilant. Faction Warfare is NEVER 1v1. Join Angel's pirate alliance. Heretic Army is our CORP. Come and learn off our multiple season vets

[@aloneinfinland]

ill give you the overheat and vigelant, but i personally think i should hav gone logi. however deescallation wasent possible. the same camp was still on the other side. As i said multiples BS's on station as i jumped, they would have been on the gate waiting for that. Could have done better, but im not good at talking and fighting. As for faction warefair, mines alwys been 1v1. Eyes on local, and kill em b4 the backup arrives.